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[–]RemoteWrathEmitter [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

"Leaks are A-OK as long as they serve our interests."

The oligarchy, folks.

[–]fonikz [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Holy fuck, the comments here and on Twitter. Full of fucking retards.

Do people seriously not understand the difference between leaking unedited information directly to the public, vs. leaking information exclusively to a single news source?

[–]znfinger[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Now is the appropriate time to quote Sinclair Lewis:

'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, ... when his salary depends on his not understanding it.

[–]ATLAB [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This is precisely what I posted about here yesterday.

[–]MinneapolisNick [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Wikileaks is now against.... leaks.

Fucking LMAO

[–]znfinger[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

...against leaks...

...that aren't made in the interest of increasing transparency.

Everyone always forgets that second part.

[–]MinneapolisNick [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well they're transparent as fuck, that much is for sure

[–]ohgodwhatthe [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Anonymous claims to NBC of all fucking places isn't the same ballpark or even the same fucking game as leaks made to the public. Also Wikileaks' sources are either imprisoned or on the run for the rest of their lives... but the CIA can do whatever they want with impunity.

[–]MinneapolisNick [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I'll take a major American news network over a Kremlin agent, thanks much.

[–]ohgodwhatthe [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Because you're too fucking dumb to understand what an oligarchy is, apparently. Who cares that almost all of our media are owned by the same 6 entities, that they all share similar interests, and that 5/6 were implicated by Wikileaks as being agents of the neoliberal wing of the Democratic party (and the other 1/6 is the right wing analogue). They say Assange is literally personally paid and directed by Putin, so it must be true! Nevermind that this is far from the first time that that same accusation had been made against one who leaked damaging documents! Daniel Ellsberg was totally a pawn of the USSR because the TV said he is! Just ignore the content of everything they've leaked.

Just going to copy/paste this since I don't have time to craft an argument against every fucking idiot shouting "ASSANGE IS KREMLIN AGENT! ! !" without evidence, but:

(Disclaimer: This was written prior to CNN claiming to have "conclusive evidence of the go-betweens that the Ruskies totally used," which we're still waiting to see. I never said "Russia definitely didn't do it," but rather I've argued that people should be skeptical of claims made with literally no evidence, as they have been and still are being made until this totally-conclusive report comes out)

There is literally fucking nothing outside of stuff relating to Guccifer 2.0/DCLeaks (which in itself isn't even very convincing evidence of Russian state involvement! "Russian language traces"? A Russian IP that is literally a Tor exit node? Wow, it's like they caught the murderer with the gun in his hand! Give me a fucking break), whose leaks were totally insubstantial and arguably had no real impact on the election in comparison to Wikileaks's releases. Meanwhile, the government is continuously walking back claims made regarding their involvement and even James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence (whose office literally oversees the entire intelligence community!) testified under oath that the evidence linking Wikileaks and Russia is not strong on November 17th, well over a month after the original "sixteen agencies agree!" claim.

Add to that the continued onslaught of smears against Assange, like The Guardian claiming he has "long been close" with Vladimir Putin (only to subsequently retract that statement as well). Add to that the well documented history of doing literally the exact same Russia-blaming for almost every other major leak that's ever happened and you might notice a pattern of false incrimination with the singular purpose of deflection.

If you care for some actual journalism from sources who aren't implicated by the fucking leaks themselves (as the Washington Post, Politico, The Hill, ABC, et al were), here's Bloomberg, here's The Intercept on the Vermont Utility Hack fake story, here's Ars Technica on how poor the evidence regarding Russian interference is, here's a little bit on CBS's Reality Check citing 5 issues with the claim, here's The Nation questioning why the media is just taking the CIA's fucking word for it and here's some more from The Intercept delineating why the evidence presented thus far is insufficient.

So yeah, it would be nice to have literally anything to go on, but thus far it's been one media circlejerk after the next as every arm of our oligarch-controlled media cites one another and offers their citations as proof. It's like a Tor network, but with a fucking story instead, and they're just hoping you don't pay attention to the path the news took to get to you.

[–]MinneapolisNick [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Have you considered reading what you post before you post it?

The statement that supposedly walks back the claim that the Russian government was behind the hacks does no such thing. It states clearly that the intelligence community believes that Russia was behind the hacks, and stands by their statements to that effect.

If you want "literally anything to go on," there it is right there. You posted it. You just chose to misread or dismiss it.

The hacks were authorized by high-level Russian government officials, perpetrated by their agents, and disseminated by their proxy to assist in getting a Russophile president elected. It's a clear, direct line, and furthers their geopolitical interests.

[–]HelpfulCommentPoster [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

100% agreed leaking confidential government files is dangerous and those who do it must be punished

[–]Despair1 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

So leaking secret information is bad? Like illegally obtained private emails? TIL

[–]znfinger[S] [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Podesta leaked them himself, making them not illegal. Now, prove me wrong.

[–]Despair1 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

So if the Obama administration is leaking the information themselves, that's not illegal then as well.

[–]znfinger[S] [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Wrong again. You said so yourself when you carefully noted the distinction between official and private email in your first wrong comment.

Unless you're suggesting that Obama leaked the Podesta emails?

[–]Despair1 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So when Wikileaks leaked classified cables back in 2010, that was illegal as well.

[–]rodental [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Whoever gave them to Wikileaks likely committed a crime. Wikileaks is a journalistic organisation, an also not American, they're perfectly within their rights to release rhem.