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[–]CatchingRays 1293 points1294 points1295 points  (111 children)
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's the rain that makes the flowers grow, not the thunder." The raising of the voice is a weakness. The loudest people have the worst arguments.
[–]Narfubel[🍰] 87 points88 points89 points  (3 children)
I had a very proud moment a few months ago, my son was very upset about something and arguing with his sister about it. She calls me and tries to put him on the phone, he says "I don't want to be yelled at right now", my step-daughter replied "No Ethan, it's Dad. He'll listen to you about what's wrong.".
My ex-wife just yells at them instead of trying to understand why they're so upset. Since they're teenagers, they're upset a lot.
[–]CatchingRays 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
That's awesome. I hope this kind of thing happens for OP.
[–]TheAmazingPencil 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Well, OP's mom isn't divorced. Yet.
[–]ellvix 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Aww. That's very sweet.
[–]test_tickles 428 points429 points430 points  (41 children)
"Empty vessels make the loudest noise." is one I like.
[–]nuisible 206 points207 points208 points  (31 children)
I prefer "All sound and fury, signifying nothing" but I usually reserve that for when you go to the washroom cause you think you're gonna number two but it's just farts.
[–]KaizenRathalos 69 points70 points71 points  (23 children)
"They say the empty can rattles the most"
[–]PunTwoThree 184 points185 points186 points  (13 children)
What about "stop screaming in front of our daughter so much you crazy bitch"
[–]Captain_Excellent 108 points109 points110 points  (12 children)

"I'M NOT SCREAMING! AND DON'T CALL ME A FUCKING CRAZY BITCH!"

[–]primeski 51 points52 points53 points  (10 children)
Oh.... ok honey
[–]MoneyIsTiming 50 points51 points52 points  (9 children)

"DON'T YOU EVER "OH, OKAY HONEY" ME AGAIN!"

[–]soundslikebliss 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
It's rather frightening how many people can relate to this :/
[–]mkay1911 7 points8 points9 points  (3 children)
The sound of your own voice must soothe you.
[–]JimTor 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
Hearing only what you want to hear
[–]aglaeasfather 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
And knowing only what you've heard
[–]kingeryck 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
GIMME FUU GIMME FAAH GIMME DABAJAZAHA
[–]annoyingblabbermouth 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
the squeaky wheel gets the grease
[–]shadyelf 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
or gets replaced
[–]Redearthman 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
It's also the first wheel you replace.
[–]sartres-shart 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
'The sound of your own voice must soothe you' .....
[–]drpinkcream 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I want to assume this is a fairly obscure Metallica reference.
[–]Squid_word 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
People talk loud when they want to sound smart, right?
[–]kehrin 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
CORRECT!!
[–]911111111111 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
"50,000 poops used to live here, now it's just a fart town"
[–]jaxonya 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
"Your mom is a bitch"
[–]Togglex 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Isn't that a Macbeth quote or paraphrase
[–]PeptoBismark 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
"MACBETH She should have died hereafter. There would have been a time for such a word. Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow, Creeps in this petty pace from day to day To the last syllable of recorded time, And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player That struts and frets his hour upon the stage And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."
[–]aDumbGorilla 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
“
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.
”
Actual quote, similar meaning.
[–]ILikeLenexa 19 points20 points21 points  (1 child)
“
Don't raise your voice, improve your argument.
”
-Desmond Tutu
[–]NorCalYes 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Hasn't worked in the last election cycle.
[–]thursdayparty 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Yeah I don't understand this one to be honest.
[–]NoeJose 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
You're throwing lots of bricks when your house is made of glass
Your fist is in the air and your head's shoved up your ass
You speak of armed rebellion, I think you've got a lot of nerve
Cause when the revolution comes, you're gonna get what you deserve
You're chanting all the slogans, playing rebel is such fun
Twitching from the glue you're sniffing, so how're you gonna hold a gun
You've nullified yourself, but you won't nullify our aims
You're the one who's yelling loudest but you've got the least to say
[–][deleted]  (3 children)
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    [–]FadedAndJaded -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    Just another way of saying "Trump 2016!"
    [–]aron2295 45 points46 points47 points  (0 children)
    I have a loud and deep voice and growing up, was always usually taller than the other kids so my parents would remind me to be extra mindful of how I acted. Now that Im older, and start interacting with, other adults as equals, I really see what they meant. It just looks bad and silly. Raising your voice just shows youre not in control and its your last ditch effort to regain control.
    [–]mistermajik2000 98 points99 points100 points  (5 children)
    "WRONG!"
    [–]NorthBlizzard 17 points18 points19 points  (3 children)
    "Because you'd be in jail"
    [–]ubiquitous_apathy 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
    No puppet, no puppet. You're the puppet.
    [–]I_ate_a_milkshake 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    ^(you're the puppet)
    [–]nate800 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    That line was gold.
    [–]mrbaryonyx 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Like with most things these days, I can't tell if this is in reference to Trump or Luthor
    [–]iizkaraa 22 points23 points24 points  (13 children)
    Actually lightning does help plants grow. It releases nitrogen into a more absorbable state for plants to consume.
    Not to moot your point or anything. You said thunder after all, not lightning. Still, just a fun fact.
    [–]crashrope94 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
    Do you have a real source for that? I can't find anything on google scholar.
    [–]iizkaraa 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
    What, pick-a-pepper.com isn't good enough of a source for you? Jeez.
    I thought this was common knowledge, I learned it in highschool. Also I'm on my phone so I'm not doing the best search but
    Here's something by PBS if that's better..
    Or here's an abstract from a study done a while back
    [–]crashrope94 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    It's not that I didn't believe you as I've actually heard this but never bothered to research it. I just couldn't find anything in a cursory search of google scholar. You just helped me with a topic for the term paper I'm gonna have to write this semester. Thanks.
    [–]CatchingRays 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Doesn't moot it at all. The Lightning is like a spark of action that nourishes the growth.
    [–]Unfruitful -2 points-1 points0 points  (8 children)
    Lightning is silent. Thunder makes noise.
    [–]domitomi135 11 points12 points13 points  (3 children)
    Aren't they really just two parts of the same phenomena?
    [–]ja734 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    yeah lol that is literal nonsense. Lightning makes the sound that thunder is. The only reason they are called different things is because light travels faster than sound.
    [–]Acktionhank 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    No no, first the lightning hits.... Then thunder strikes next.
    There is no way that lightning makes the noise that we call thunder.
    [–]akatherder 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    If we want to get technical about it, it's not the lightning (bolt) making the noise. It's the air around it.
    “
    The loud thunder that follows the lightning bolt is commonly said to come from the bolt itself. However, the grumbles and growls we hear in thunderstorms actually come from the rapid expansion of the air surrounding the lightning bolt.
    ”
    But that might be like saying clapping isn't the sound of your hands. It's the sound of the air... doing something. You can't have thunder without lightning.
    [–]iizkaraa 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    I know... I said that the person said thunder and not lightning. The thunder obviously comes from the lightning though. And I was just pointing out an interesting fact, which I also explicitly stated, and not trying to moot any points. I just wanted to point out that the existence of thunder does actually make the plants greener than rain alone.
    [–]oditogre 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    “
    Lightning is silent. Thunder makes noise.
    ”
    This seems inaccurate. It's like saying that a mouth is silent, it is the shout that makes the noise, which is obviously wrong. The shout - or the thunder - is the noise. Lightning is in fact the cause, however.
    [–]ja734 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    lightning is not silent.
    [–]onexbigxhebrew 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Incorrect. Lightning is not silent, therefore thunder happens. That's like saying "Headphones are silent, but music makes noise."
    [–]gjallard 30 points31 points32 points  (4 children)
    My only exception to this is when an overly aggressive person decides to talk over and interrupt anything I say. They don't want to talk or discuss, they want to dominate.
    If you are having what you think is a discussion, but you can't finish a sentence and you are automatically being dismissed on everything you say, it's time to show a little anger and raise your voice.
    [–]CatchingRays 15 points16 points17 points  (3 children)
    Or it's time for some witty degradation.
    [–]gjallard 9 points10 points11 points  (2 children)
    That only works if you get to say it. When you can't get more than a few words out of your mouth, that won't work.
    [–]homeless_wonders 10 points11 points12 points  (1 child)
    That's when you stop the words coming from their mouth with a fist to the face.
    Then you pee on them to show them you are the dominant one.
    [–]Dokpsy 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    With full eye contact. No blinking.
    [–]Lemon_Dungeon 44 points45 points46 points  (2 children)
    Oh I thought this was sexual.
    [–]heydavywronglocker 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
    I was hoping it was
    [–]maynardftw 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Raise your dongers, not your voice.
    [–]JeBalon 6 points7 points8 points  (3 children)
    See my voice increases when I'm really into talking about something, I'm not screaming, but people will go why are you yelling? I'm not yelling I'm just really into what I'm saying
    [–]CatchingRays 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Yeah, I can go totally Billy Mays when I get excited about something.
    [–]fredlllll[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    i too go BILLY MAYS WHEN IM EXCITED!! :D
    i also use my voice to get rid of anger. shouting at an expensive piece of tech is cheaper than throwing it against the wall
    [–]Jhesus_Monkey 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Have you considered that maybe your friends don't want to be yelled at, even when it's just you expressing great enthusiasm?
    [–]unknown_name 22 points23 points24 points  (2 children)
    One thing I took away from 19 Kids and Counting back when my wife watched it was that the mom when she got really angry or upset with the kids would actually lower her voice. The kids knew she meant business at that point. I try it with my kids but usually have to raise my voice to get their attention first.
    [–]craftygamergirl 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
    “
    the mom when she got really angry or upset with the kids would actually lower her voice.
    ”
    That's because it's not physically possible for Michelle Duggar to raise her pipsqueaky, little girl soprano any further without shattering every piece of glass in a 5 mile radius. Thank god too, because she already creeps me the fuck out.
    [–]Onkel_Wackelflugel 25 points26 points27 points  (0 children)
    She has to be quiet, whenever she screams a baby pops out
    [–]jasonreid1976 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
    So to cap off a wonderful Thanksgiving weekend I had the pleasure of trying to help my mother get situated in making sure she could get back and forth to work. Drove her around for 4-5 hours all the while listening her complain and gripe about things, on top of that also listening to her break into fits of crying for no reason, and also berating me for being a bad son...
    Anyway, towards the end of it all she started screaming at me. Her main argument is how I should help her because I have money.
    Yeah I've barely said a word to her since.
    [–]MrAnonymousHimself 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    It sounds like she could use some professional help.
    [–]AwesomeAlice86 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
    But what if I'm just a loud person?
    [–]CatchingRays 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    New Yorker?
    [–]make_love_to_potato 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    Verbal abuse is verbal abuse...whether you are screaming to get your point across or using caustic hurtful words that are like a knife between the ribs and cause permanent un-mendable trauma, but all at a normal volume.
    [–]CatchingRays 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Absolutely.
    [–]bmaat 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    Saw this on r/quotes yesterday!
    [–]CatchingRays 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Yeah me too. It's a great one and fits perfectly.
    [–]captainfin 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    i actually love this. thank you for sharing
    [–]CatchingRays 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Got it from /r/quotes yesterday. Seemed very appropriate for this case. I like that sub a lot. It's like a little spark of profoundness pops up on my page between the porn and WTF.
    [–]lasercat_pow 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I met someone who must have been taught that, but missed all the other lessons on basic decency. She would just quietly say and do the most batshit things. Her friend was just as crazy, but screams a lot. The quiet crazy is only marginally better.
    [–]elaphros 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Not always true in parenting.
    My first daughter I never had to raise my voice with. Just give her a nudge/hard stare and she'd get the point.
    My son, he doesn't move a fucking muscle until you get loud and start pulling the drill seargeant card. Stubborn as fuck, and will argue with everything you tell him. He'll even admit later that he doesn't have any real reason to argue, he just does.
    [–]CatchingRays 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Sounds to me like he wants/needs understanding to act. Like he wants to know why things need to be done, not just do them because I said. He wants to make a decision. I think that's a good thing if you have the patience to get him the data he needs to get there.
    [–]xraynorx 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I think he's talking about going to the bone-zone
    [–]I5I5 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    You sure it's that kind of screaming?
    [–]Fuck_Your_Squirtle 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Not sure if I should be sharing this or keeping it to myself ;)
    [–]phasers_to_stun 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    People from /r/Philadelphia aren't going to be happy to hear that
    [–]CatchingRays 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    That's funny. I grew up in NY where there is almost this weird sense of pride in being a loudmouth for some people. It's like someone demonstrated that you can get some things by being the squeaky wheel so they adopt it as a worldview. I can't believe people keep friends and family this way.
    [–]sonicmerlin 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    But I actually have the best arguments, but lose my temper when I run into a brick wall of stupidity.
    [–]CatchingRays 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Having good arguments will get you to the wall. Communicating them effectively is the drill that makes them stick.
    [–]gosu_chobo 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    “
    The loudest people have the worst arguments.
    ”
    that might be right but Trump still won
    [–]Snoopy_Hates_Germans -4 points-3 points-2 points  (1 child)
    Wow, that's incredibly patronising.
    [–]CatchingRays 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Only for people with really poor communication skills.
    [–]biketahoe -3 points-2 points-1 points  (1 child)
    Sorry, when I yell at my daughter to brush her teeth it's not because I have a weak argument, nice little saying there though, totally applicable
    [–]CatchingRays 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
    Nope. It's not because you have a weak argument. Brushing her teeth is absolutely necessary and needed hygiene. You have just been doing a poor job of getting her to understand that. See if she knew why it was important she would self motivate to get it done. But you probably think that it's common knowledge that she should know. Coupled with the fact that she should just listen to her parents and do what she's told.
    [–]TheScamr -13 points-12 points-11 points  (1 child)
    Of course she screams.
    [–]Dokpsy 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Did you just assume xer gender
    [–]truthinlies 321 points322 points323 points  (9 children)
    Maybe stop fucking while the kid is around?
    [–]S_Y_N_T_A_X 127 points128 points129 points  (6 children)
    That's where my mind went first, took me 3 re-reads to realize it was not about sex.
    [–]mainfingertopwise 48 points49 points50 points  (4 children)
    Do we know it's not?
    [–]the_dove_from_above 17 points18 points19 points  (1 child)
    Pretty sure it is
    [–]darkknight95sm 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    You genuinely have me thinking that it might be, not where my first thought went though
    [–]S_Y_N_T_A_X 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    I highly doubt the daughter was conferring with her dad whether she'll be a screamer or not.
    Someone should repost this as insanity wolf though.
    [–]stdTrancR -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    I'm not that vocal but my women are.
    [–]orionstein 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    I'm more just confused about all these other posters that still think they're not talking about sex...
    [–]MissChievousJ 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    That's what ball gags are for.
    [–]factbasedorGTFO 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    I've always muted the sounds with a pillow.
    [–]st0rebrand 362 points363 points364 points  (22 children)
    I would start with asking your wife if she needs help both with her workload at home including chores and child-rearing and with her emotions in the form of therapy. "[Name] said you're yelling a lot and I wanted to know what I could do to help. Can I help around the house or take over some of the work with [name]? Do you need some time to go seek help with a professional? Let's talk about this because I want everyone to be healthy and happy. I love you."
    [–]manachar 147 points148 points149 points  (3 children)
    While therapy may be needed and desired, suggesting it off the bat is a good way to piss off the wife. Suggesting therapy can seem like an attack. It can be received as "you're so broken I want you to see a professional to fix you". Few people feel broken - fewer enjoy that being pointed out.
    Chatting with the wife in a joking matter might work better. Remember, kids exaggerate, lie, and often drop nuance. The job of the conversation is to uncover if the kid is in any way accurate and what stressors are causing it.
    It's really not uncommon for the Mom to be the disciplinarian while the Dad is forced to be the guy who isn't around for all the times the kids try to commit suicide by running in to the street, poking things in power sockets, etc.
    I do like how you're noting it might be a sign of an overworked spouse. So the part about offering to help with the workload in the home is great advice. Of course, if the spouse wants therapy, the husband should certainly be supportive.
    [–]jfedoga 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
    Yeah, I definitely remember being a kid and petulantly whining "you always yell at me!" when my mother was saying something in a firm voice that I didn't want to hear. I wouldn't start from a presumption that the kid is being totally accurate unless he's heard it happen. Generally when someone in the house yells a lot everyone knows about it.
    (Though this could be about sex. Sex screaming is pretty awkward seal-appropriate and if you live in a house with bedrooms right next to each other, sound travels.)
    [–]SolHeiM 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    The problem with that is why are people afraid of upsetting the people they love? People who are happy and healthy do not yell at people. I am depressed and have been for years, and I can explode in uncontrollable anger sometimes because certain things make me a lot angrier than they should. I'm aware of this, so I dial it back when I'm around other people.
    And what made me even angrier is when people refused to listen to why I was angry and tried to help me understand my feelings. Everyone just told me to stop being angry because we don't like it. I bottled all my emotions up for so long that I didn't understand I was depressed because I refused to accept it and I almost ruined my life for no reason because of it.
    Don't approach it like it's a joke, because people who haven't experienced real depression don't really understand how the smallest thing can be the final straw.
    [–]dryh2o 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Maybe suggesting that they both simultaneously seek a therapist would make it seem less like an accusation and more like something supportive. It might also provide the husband an opportunity to determine any problems that the wife is having that she's not otherwise open to discussing.
    [–]The_Mesh 77 points78 points79 points  (5 children)
    The only answer so far that doesn't resort to "be a man and handle your shit."
    [–]TriceraScotts 26 points27 points28 points  (2 children)
    That honestly sounds like the exact definition of being a man and handling your shit to me.
    [–]xisytenin 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    Yeah but it gave specific advice on what to do instead of implying he should just know what to do because... manliness...
    [–]Tuesday1111111111111 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    “
    That honestly sounds like the exact definition of being a man and handling your shit to me.
    ”
    Serious question. Is this sensitive, uber-supportive and emotionally vulnerable definition of manhood what women prefer? With fewer people being married than ever before and women initiating divorces at rates much higher than ever before, could this definition of what it means to "be a man" be part of the problem?
    [–]GregoPDX 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    Being a man and handling your shit doesn't have to have a 1950s force your wife into submission ideal. Just don't be a pussy and let this continue to occur because you are afraid of your wife. That is unhealthy in any decade.
    [–]ajh6288 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
    "I-I love you too.."
    [–]BraveSock 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
    Good luck asking her if she needs therapy. We'll pray for you.
    [–]Gr8NonSequitur 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    “
    "[Name] said you're yelling a lot and I wanted to know what I could do to help. Can I help around the house or take over some of the work with [name]? Do you need some time to go seek help with a professional? Let's talk about this because I want everyone to be healthy and happy. I love you."
    ”
    Right idea but this is a great way to start a fight. "[Name] said you're yelling a lot" will get the kid yelled at more. Saying you might need therapy as a first discussion will likely sound harsh (maybe even mean) as a first suggestion.
    What I would do is look out for signs she's stressed and when she is, just bring it up casually. "Hey, you seem pretty stressed this week, is there anything you want to talk about? Anything I can help with?"
    and take it from there.
    [–]Nuinethir 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    I tell my wife this all the time, that this is part of the parenting and marriage "contract" that she is full within her rights to not just ask but demand I help her out. She hasn't figured it out yet.
    [–]birdwastheword 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
    Wow, amazing! I think /r/relationships could learn a lot from you.
    [–]Love_asweetbooty 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
    u/st0rebrand didn't even recommend hiring a lawyer for the impending divorce. Would never fly in r/relationships
    [–]mbartelsm 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I think it was so obvious that he didn't need to mention it.
    [–]Isaiah3993 -6 points-5 points-4 points  (0 children)
    This isn't actually good advice. You're basically rewarding her outbursts by doing her chores for her, which is going to condition her to not moderate her behavior.
    [–]lexrp 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Yes. Behavior is a form of communion. It's true for children and adults.
    [–]NoCardio_ 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    “
    Do you need some time to go seek help with a professional?
    ”
    I'm choosing to believe many people upvoted you so that the rest of us could laugh at this terrible advice.
    [–]redleader 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Don't you worry about [name]. Let me worry about [name].
    [–]addiktion 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    And here I am thinking she is screaming because she is orgasming.
    [–]BoogTKE 88 points89 points90 points  (2 children)
    Sounds like you need to scream at your wife and child more, OP.
    [–]LogyYogi 25 points26 points27 points  (1 child)
    Yeah I know. He is totally confusing his kid.
    [–]st3v3n 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    It's like he doesn't even care.
    [–]SpottedPaws 220 points221 points222 points  (14 children)
    Or maybe dad isn't doing any disciplining, so it seems like mom is yelling all the time
    [–]iEmptyHomes 67 points68 points69 points  (9 children)
    Or maybe dad lets his fists do the disciplining, so he doesn't need to resort to useless empty threats in a loud voice. Efficient parenting.
    [–]iEmptyHomes 46 points47 points48 points  (7 children)
    But seriously don't beat your kids.
    [–]Love_asweetbooty 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
    Relevant user name?
    [–]ADD_ikt 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    Somebody link the Russell Peters bit regarding his childhoold friend Ryan.
    [–]SpottedPaws 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Somebody gonna get a hurt real bad
    [–]CashInPrison 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Or, at the very least, don't half-ass it. Go big or go home.
    [–]Wertsir -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
    Look do you want a nice parent, or an efficient parent?
    [–]Edoced 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    They're not mutually exclusive. 😙
    [–]skooba_steev -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Or jumper cables
    [–]AmaHenry 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    Because it's unique for two different people to handle things differently, right?
    [–]sixblackgeese 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Why should discipline involve yelling?
    [–]xyzen420 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Yelling shouldn't be one of your key disciplinary strategies. Yelling is a last resort. If you find yourself doing it frequently, you should work on new strategies that prevent things from getting to that point, as well as curbing your anger.
    [–]lurker_bee -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
    It could be that Dad gave up...
    [–]CatchingRays 69 points70 points71 points  (16 children)
    Seriously man. I hope this goes right for you. I hope you find a peaceful end to what sounds like turbulence. If it's this evident to the little one, momma can't be totally oblivious. If it's a control mechanism, you might get a healthy dose as soon as it's pointed out. Let's hope she tries to be a better person.
    [–]Archeval 27 points28 points29 points  (7 children)
    "I’m trying to be a nicer person. It’s hard, but I am trying, guys."
    [–]The_Mesh 19 points20 points21 points  (2 children)
    I'm wrestling with some insecurity issues in my life but thank you for playing with me.
    [–]EyeOfDuality 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    G g e z
    [–]bigfoot_dig 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    [–]Voidwarlock 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
    "I’m trying to be a nicer Muselk. It’s hard, but I am trying, guys."
    [–]turboskratch 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    Stylosa once told me that rank does not matter.
    [–]Voidwarlock 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Stylosa once told me size does not matterm
    [–]Archeval 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Dunkey said everyone is toxic, so it must be true.
    [–]AiliaBlue 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    “
    momma can't be totally oblivious
    ”
    You'd be surprised at how many people think denial is just for other people.
    [–]NeatAnecdoteBrother 2 points3 points4 points  (5 children)
    Why wouldn't anyone in a comfortable relationship just say "hey stop yelling at our kid lol"
    [–]CatchingRays 15 points16 points17 points  (1 child)
    Well if it is a control mechanism, you'll get a lot more yelling.
    [–]jamixd 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Can confirm. My mother always yelled at us when we were younger, and even if you quietly asked her to stop or calm down she just went into full on hysterics.
    Now whenever she starts yelling we all just shut up and wait for it to be over.
    [–]skatchawan 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
    because, contrary to reddit groupthink, some subtlety is a requirement to not immediately put the other person in defense mode, no matter how great the relationship. Just blurting out a sentence without consideration may not lead to a constructive conversation.
    [–]LibertyTerp 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    You're on the right track. The best way to talk to someone about a problem is not to say, "You always do X. Stop it." I guarantee they'll just get defensive.
    The best way to handle it is to wait until the person does the thing they need to stop, and address that specific incident. Say, "Hey, you don't need to yell. Let's just talk about it." Do this consistently when your wife is yelling even though it's uncalled for and hopefully she'll stop doing it so much.
    [–]breakone9r 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Because you want a "United front" so you don't criticize your partner in front of the kids. You do it alone. After.
    [–]quzimaa -11 points-10 points-9 points  (0 children)
    [–]LoudMusic 8 points9 points10 points  (1 child)
    My wife used to get mad at me for not yelling back. I told her I was thinking about what I wanted to say so that I didn't say the wrong thing.
    She doesn't yell anymore.
    [–]mathfacts 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    extremely borat voice
    My wife!
    [–]hellegion 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
    LEAVE HER, LAWYER UP!!!
    ...oh wait, this isn't /r/relationships
    just tell her.
    [–]3literz3 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
    Some advice from someone who's gone through this very thing.
    In the early part of my marriage (my wife and I have been married 24 years), my wife seemed to have a short fuse, and I was the target of her anger and yelling, and even a choking one time. When we started having kids, they also were getting yelled at. This is not how I ever envisioned my kids being brought up, and thoughts of divorce had crossed my mind at times.
    Finally, we sat down and talked through it and decided to see our family doctor about some sort of 'help'.
    He prescribed depression/anxiety meds, and it has helped a lot. She still 'nags' us when we've done things not to her liking, but the anger and lashing out is gone.
    Our marriage is much better as a result and our kids are well-adjusted and pretty normal.
    Please consider this as a possible way out. It really worked for us.
    [–]Lp560-4 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
    She will ruin your kids life. Can confirm, fucked up.
    [–]LindseyLee5 12 points13 points14 points  (2 children)
    This was my home life growing up. My mother would (and still does) blow up about the smallest things. Nothing that was said would make it better, only worse. I grew up in fear of her, which is not good.
    This is definitely something you need to bring up with her, but don't mention that your daughter said it, that might make your wife resent her daughter. Just say "I've noticed you seem stressed (or whatever) lately and I want to know I support you and what can I do to help, maybe counseling might be good for you."
    If this doesn't help and makes things worse, have your child's back. If it gets bad enough let her go to therapy, just to have someone to talk to, it helped me. I looked for support from my father every time my mother would scream at me, I never understood why. Let your daughter vent when she gets older, but never bad mouth your wife. Give her the guidance she is looking for without being crude.
    [–]somebodybettercomes 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
    Same here. My mom was angry more often than not. She didn't talk much but she did get mad and raise her voice frequently. Said mean shit, put people down, just generally was a very unpleasant person and all you could do was stay away because otherwise she was going to make you feel bad. It was never clear what would set her off, she was just prone to rage or something, or felt like it was OK to take out her anger on whoever she could. I spent my teen years avoiding her as much as I could, avoiding talking to her so she wouldn't give me shit about how bad I looked or whatever snarky bullshit she would direct at me about the things I was into. She never hit me or anything like that, she just tried to make me feel like I was ugly, a disappointment, etc. I was really struggling with severe depression and all she ever did was make it worse. She never even noticed I was depressed even though my symptoms were extremely obvious. I moved out as soon as I could and our relationship improved, she stopped being mean to me, stopped talking shit about me (to my face), and for many years we got along fairly well when I called her on the phone or came to visit her. She never really put in any effort, but I tried for many years. Then some shit went on in my life that left me extremely depressed for the first time in years and she showed her true colors again, and now she is no longer a part of my life. No one gets to yell at me or put me down, try to make me feel like shit. That's not family. I haven't seen or talked to my mother in nearly a decade.
    OP - please sort your wife out so you don't end up with a child driven from your family like I was. Get her into therapy to deal with her behaviors now while you still can.
    [–]LindseyLee5 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    That's the same situation I was in, never felt good enough and was always being put down. She always bribed me to keep me around but I didn't care about all that. Since I moved away for college our relationship has gotten better, and I do still struggle with my love/hurt feelings towards her.
    [–]gjallard 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    I dated someone like that with 3 kids. Our arguments were simple 2 step systems.
    1. We start disagreeing.
    2. She starts screaming and eventually crying.
    [–]thelurkess 31 points32 points33 points  (2 children)
    A serious comment? I do think you should talk to your wife.
    My mom has a huge temper. All blow. No go. Lots of tears, and when she was younger she was a terrible manipulator. My dad is calmer. He spent a lot of time trying to model control and reserve for me, and he was often the voice of reason teaching me to use logic and strategy, not emotion to get points across.
    Women are not often taught to "go make a list of pros and cons" when they asked their dad for permission to do something or quit something. THAT is real feminism, and it helped me a lot to be a more rational person. I think if we all focused on knowing our own weaknesses and helping our kids handle theirs better, women would be stronger and taken more seriously for it.
    All joking aside, it's not always easy to be taken seriously as a woman in many parts of the world and corporate cultures. Helping your wife means helping your daughter be a better tiny human and eventually larger human. Sounds like you're already doing a good job of that, dad :)
    [–]Fanc1dan 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Awesome comment. So you're saying that your dad would tell you to make a list of pros and cons whenever you wanted something from him? That's awesome.
    Your dad sounds like a stand above guy. I'm sure your mom is great too, this is just one aspect of her dynamic life.
    I can tell that my gf has a much shorter fuse than I do and I want to be an example to her about controlling anger without talking down to her or belittling her. It's a fine line. Unfortunately, I don't think telling her to make a pros and cons list will work with her as my equal.
    [–]Umutuku 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    “
    Helping your wife means helping your daughter be a better tiny human and eventually larger human.
    ”
    Great way of looking at it. Narcissists raise "good" children. Parents raise good adults.
    [–]Fuegopants 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
    Based on the fact that she already recognizes this, she'll probably favor dad's temperament.
    ...then again, puberty.
    [–]SmallYellowPlane 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Mommy needs a break. And I recommend Orange Rhino for some great tips on stopping yelling.
    [–]jutct 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    I'm about to divorce my wife over this. She yells and screams and throws things in front of the baby. He's only 11 months old but I fear that it'll screw him up when he's old enough to realize what's going on.
    [–]lost_in_stars 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
    (For your daughter, not your wife)
    "The great thing about being an adult is that you get to decide what you'll be like."
    [–]big_badda_boom 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Framing this quote
    [–]Good_Eatin 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Wow this really gets to me for some reason. This was the dynamic in my house growing up and it's always weird for me to look back and think of the ways I understood the dysfunction as a kid.
    That being said, it's been really hard for me as an adult to shed those dysfunctional tendencies. I have to work all the time not to be like my mom and sometimes I still fail.
    The worst and hardest part though, is that I also have retained some of my defense mechanisms from childhood. Namely, running away mentally in a heated argument like I used to when she would scream at me. I remember telling myself, "just daydream, it will be over soon" and creating scenario after scenario in my head as a kid. As hard as I fight it, this is the one thing I wish more than anything else I could just stop doing. Arguments will get heated, no matter how much two people love each other, and it's not fair to my boyfriend that I will just shut down in an argument and not be able to sort out my thoughts or communicate effectively.
    My advice to you would be do everything you can to keep your daughter talking to you. My dad gave me the space he thought I needed, particularly when I horrible/angry and going through puberty. But really, I just couldn't communicate how bad things were for me and I desperately needed him. And it's been an uphill battle to learning how to talk about my own feelings because I set myself back. Just do what you can to make sure she knows she does have a safe place to talk with you always.
    [–]55redditor55 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Am I the only one who thought she heard them have sex??
    [–]Xcellion 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
    anyone else thought that this was a sex thing?
    [–]van_morrissey 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Amazed I had to scroll this far for this comment
    [–]mathfacts 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Dirty mind you have!
    [–]LoneManx 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    I'm probably going to guess that Mom is the one who has to give all the discipline while you get to play 'good cop'. I've seen TONS of dads pull that one.
    [–]CatchingRays 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    With earplugs?
    [–]Ur_favourite_psycho 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    You know, sometimes kids make things out to be worse than they are. Either way I'd talk to your wife. It night be a good wake up call for her!
    [–]_propernoun_ 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    My mother was a quiet person and my dad's only way of communicating was yelling at me and my sister. It took me a couple years of therapy to learn to communicate my anger/frustration without raising my voice. With that being said, I think you should find a way to talk about this with your wife. Good luck!!
    [–]NedTaggart 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Straight up tell her what your daughter said.
    [–]Nuinethir 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
    If it is a traditional household, mom gets the brunt of the child's antics simply because dad is working. I have to remember to give my wife that reprieve every so often, as being a mother is probably the most demanding job on the planet (24/7/365, physical/emotional/psychological stress, and no pay).
    [–]Scarl0tHarl0t 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    This is how I grew up and my parents are wonderful. My parents both grew up under a totalitarian government and my mom's dad was absent for a large part of her childhood (political prisoner type deal). As I grew older, I would keep this more in mind, as well as the fact she was the disciplinarian for two children who were born and raised in a culture that wasn't the one she grew up with. My dad had both his parents and his family wasn't as heavily persecuted as my mom's. While they both suffered and continued to endure poverty after coming to the US, my mom definitely had a double burden of both work and most of the childrearing. My dad was no slacker but it was clear my mom was definitely a tiger mom and she is and still is driven by her a lot of her negative formative experiences but I never doubted that she loves me.
    Beyond being mom, she is a person who carries her own emotional baggage and drama and it's not easily cast aside just because she's married and/or has kids.
    [–]fearmypoot 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    I've never related more to a post
    [–]nekowolf 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    My father would yell very loudly, but only at sports on TV. He never yelled at my mom or me. It meant that when I heard him yell, I didn't think twice about it. On the other hand, when I had friends over and they heard him yell, they got really quiet. They thought he was yelling at my mom. I had to explain that no, he only yells at the TV.
    [–]coatrack68 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Decide if your wife trusts you enough to realize she has a problem if you mention this to her. If not, there's probably going to be a lot of pain and therapy in your kid's future...
    [–]adammolens 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Reddit Psychologist come out of the woodworks real quick when something like this is posted.
    [–]Zeldinho 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Ooooh here we go again, reddit judging people with a meme as a proof.
    [–]PunTwoThree 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Plot twist: Wife has tourette's and father is deaf
    [–]Roy_Vzla 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    All these people making comments about the family and relationships, and the first thing that popped on my mind was, she screaming in bed.. I am sorry
    [–]black_flag_4ever 7 points8 points9 points  (5 children)
    Get a pair and tell her. She's an adult, isn't she?
    [–]cinred 34 points35 points36 points  (2 children)
    Lol. This will never work.
    [–]black_flag_4ever -9 points-8 points-7 points  (1 child)
    It's negatively affecting his kid. If you don't advocate for your kids, then who will?
    [–]Stopikingonme 17 points18 points19 points  (0 children)
    I don't think that's what he's saying.
    [–]Myke190 39 points40 points41 points  (0 children)
    Not if she screams a lot.
    [–]skooba_steev 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    Just because someone is the age of an adult does not mean they act like one
    [–]TheTrueFlexKavana 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Hal? Lois?
    [–]tickingClock2012 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Say these words while pointing your face hole at your wife instead of a keyboard.
    [–]TheBraindonkey 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    ugh. I hate these situations, as I have them often in a different context. Depends on her ability to take what she WILL see as criticism. Of course you could go passive aggressive horrible parent, and have your kid tell her the same exact thing... Thats a bit of dick move, and she would listen more likely.
    [–]welestgw 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Best bet is to scream, I'm guessing.
    [–]smokeysgirl07 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Screaming at her probably won't be the best approach.
    [–]uncle_vatred 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Well making a meme on Reddit is definitely a great starting point!
    [–]el_monstruo 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Based on the comments below, it appears to be a temper issue but I thought the child heard mommy and daddy have fun times and pondered the screaming. I am confused.
    [–]daxelkurtz 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    "Honey, go say those exact words to your mother."
    [–]RobMV03 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Do something about it sooner rather than later. This perfectly sums up the house I grew up in. I know my dad wanted things differently, but standing up to my mom was just more than he could muster - especially when she was doing the majority of the child rearing. BUT long story short: I took after my mom for a long time (and still do in many respects), and it has not served me well in my friendships, my relationships or in the work place. I'm difficult to deal with and tend to try and solve problems with yelling rather than understanding. I wish my dad had taken a stronger role and made my mom yell less.
    [–]HanSolo84 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    The silent one's are always the one's who make a bigger impact.
    [–]GMC1377 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Sounds like you are doing pretty well for yourself...
    [–]mmac27 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Sexually speaking? 😏
    [–]PickleSlice 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Tell your wife she needs to learn another way to communicate. My mom screamed about everything and I've made it a goal to never deal with that shit every again. I've never even heard my wife raise her voice and she is able to communicate quite well.
    [–]Wertsir 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Doesn't matter, she is just going to yell at you anyway.
    [–]MyCatLikesMe 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I had a similar thought as a young teenager. I have more interests in common with my mom than my dad, so usually ended up (and still do) talking to her more. As a kid I identified with her more, but at one point thought "She's always pissed off about something and going off, Dad just doesn't seem to give a shit about anything....I think I should be more like Dad".
    [–]reddit809 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    lol@the comments suggesting that you guys fight a lot, and here I thought you were just fucking her brains out.
    [–]ScrufffyJoe 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Plot twist: OP's wife doesn't yell at the child but is actually just scared shitless of everything she sees. OP doesn't know how to approach her because she'll just scream and run away.
    [–]jimlandau 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    This is a tough situation. I'm going through it right now. I just got home from being out of town for three weeks. Before I left my 9 year old daughter told me she didn't want me to go because there was always a lot more yelling when I'm gone. The tough part is there isn't a lot of yelling when I'm home so it's tough to bring up to the wife. I'm hoping it is because when I'm gone it's a single parent situation and things are going to be much more difficult/stressful to juggle when there is only one parent around. This weekend I'm going to ask my daughter how it went while I was gone and see where that takes me.
    [–]Tommyownzall 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I took this as she furiously masturbates when you are gone that's why she screams.
    [–]dangerouslyloose 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Next time your wife starts screaming like that, you should surreptitiously record it on your phone to play back to her later. Maybe realizing what she sounds like to your daughter will be the wake-up call she needs.
    [–]keenedge422 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    You should approach her with lube, it sounds like.
    [–]dj_destroyer 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Thought this was about sex... I'm like screaming wife sex in a marriage? Too good to be true.
    [–]tomalator 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    When you're at work and she's in the bedroom with Uncle Bob
    [–]Agent4777 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    This guy fucks
    [–]FatalTragedy 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I wouldn't approach her about it. She'll probably just scream at you.
    [–]sayitinmygoodear 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    How about you approach her like an adult and tell her to act her fucking age, shes a grown ass woman and should do it for her child.
    [–]TheNippleSeeker 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Are we talking about fighting or sex? I can't figure it out
    [–]compleatrump 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Smart kid
    [–]BurnedOut_ITGuy 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Tell her that you don't scream a lot because you simply suppress your rage and bottle it up inside.
    [–]weeza29745 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    This makes me really sad ): good luck.
    [–]neverpullout -3 points-2 points-1 points  (4 children)
    Why even bring it up to your wife? Where will that get you?
    [–]pipboy_warrior 11 points12 points13 points  (2 children)
    It might get the wife to stop yelling around their kid, for starters.
    [–]sbeloud 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
    As someone who grew up with a parent that yells constantly, they know already and dont care.
    Mine flat out enjoyed it.
    [–]pipboy_warrior 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    There is every chance that his wife does care, though.
    [–]Wertsir 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Well, yelled at for sure.
    [–]sandbrah 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    As parents it's our job to lower the intensity with our children, not match it. I'm sorry for your daughter that your wife doesn't know that.
    [–]dazmo[🍰] -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    I feel ya bro. Got me a loud one too. My advice is just tell her. Don't be a pussy. Also don't use a bunch of name-calling and shit like an asshole. Just give it to her straight and hard like a dick. The loud ones love that from my experience.
    [–]jackiejackjackson -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    That should be a daddy-daughter secret. Just continue to be a good example.
    [–]ustael -2 points-1 points0 points  (2 children)
    If it's true, you need to run. If she's willing to yell at you and your daughter today, she will most likely be willing to raise a hand tomorrow.
    [–]big_badda_boom 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    Can agree... Just got out of a nasty marriage and my kids mention to me that they love how I don't scream like mommy.
    [–]ustael 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    My son is 3 and tells me the same thing. Her hitting the kids was my big neon sign to get out. She put her hands on me in the past, once because I touched her with "too cold of hands" and she hauled off and smacked me in the face. But when I saw her get rough with our baby because he was teething and accidentally gave her a little bite, I knew it was time to get out. I have majority custody but he still hates having to go to his moms. And the courts refused to listen to me about her violence.
    [–]BrutallyHonestDude -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Divorce the bitch.
    [–]noisyturtle -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    "Well, mommy has that bomb ass pussy game, so daddy puts up with her constant bullshit."
    [–]egoisenemy -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    tell your wife to calm down and shut the fuck up; tell her she's setting a terrible example for her daughter and she needs to not be a fire alarm for her bullshit. obviously do it diplomatically but with that level of seriousness.
    [–]IKingJeremy -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
    [–]TheScamr -12 points-11 points-10 points  (5 children)
    Sounds like you should change the locks when she goes out and divorce her.
    [–]sammythejammy 14 points15 points16 points  (4 children)
    This guy is redditing at a near perfect hivemind level all by himself!
    Just forgot about the lawyer, facebook and the gym.
    [–]aron2295 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
    Also forgot to link the "RedPill" sub.
    [–]sammythejammy 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Pretty sure he's just memeing but wasn't subtle/obvious enough.
    [–]Archeval 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    it was hit the lawyer, delete the gym, and facebook up. right?
    [–]sammythejammy 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Sometimes people get mixed up and hit the lawyer. Probably the worst possible mix-up
    [–]Lexam -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    Ooh ammo for the next big fight
    [–]bubby0169 -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    Your best served by not saying anything. The gray rock technique is the best way to deal with people in situations like these, basically refusing to acknowledge inappropriate behavior and refusing to accept being verbally abused without provoking or escalating further hostility.
    [–]Rossism -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
    I thought all/most women do this cuz deep down most can't stand kids or the family dynamics but need the child so their spouse/partner won't leave their miserable (soon to be or already are fat) asses. My mother screamed my mother in law according to my wife screamed. My wife and sisters and her sisters screamed. Go your own way and they stop screaming!
    [–]potters2643 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Holy fucking shit. You can't be a real person, can you? What a treasure people must find you to be around.
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