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[–]LA GalaxyVagabond21 89 ポイント90 ポイント  (43子コメント)

Also Mourinho got his start as a translator for Sir Bobby Robson

[–]Bayern Münchentimothymr 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (39子コメント)

While his English is far superior to my Portuguese, it still surprises me as to how bad his English is considering how long he has lived over here as well as his first job being a translator.

Not to discredit the fact that he speaks more languages than I do, it does surprise me.

[–]Portugal765433bikesinbeijing 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (26子コメント)

I honestly think it is part of his persona. Like, he doesn't give a shit of how he is supposed to talk...he talks like he wants, with the accent he wants, using the expressions he wants.

[–]Manchester UnitedNoOneMakesItOutAlive 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (22子コメント)

I honestly think he doesn't want to lose his Portuguese accent.

A lot of expats are proud of their language and don't even try to neutralise their accent.

Many French people are like this for example. They learn English with a massive French accent and they prefer it that way. They want people to know they're French.

[–]Liverpoolcrs9 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Eg. Joey Barton

[–]Manchester UnitedNoOneMakesItOutAlive 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I like to hope friends around him never let him live that down. It would make for great banter every time you see him.

[–]ReadingFah3y 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like to hope that Joey Barton has no friends tbh

[–]Franceaynnas 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's nothing related with a so-called "proudness of their language", our English courses does not focus enough on the speaking part of the language and the French accent is hard to get rid of.

And almost nobody prefers it this way, we try hard to have a proper accent, we are just not very good at it.

[–]IcelandTemporaryEconomist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Proper accent? French accent is just fine, no reason for you guys to try to get rid of it. What reason could there be? You'd be getting rid of it for the sole sake of getting rid of it.

[–]Franceaynnas 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is really not easy to be understood with a strong french accent. I think I have a decent level in English but with some people I have trouble to express myself because of my accent.

So yes it sounds cool with girls but when you start to work with English speaker, you want to be understood easily. Maybe "rid of" was too strong but at least soften it.

[–]In_a_stem_cell 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To make yourself easier to understand for one. Im learning Italian and I don't want to keep a strong English accent when I'm talking Italian

[–]Olympique de Marseilleparisontencule 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Where did you hear this, thats definitely not a thing. French people just tend to have a very strong accent in English and they are super ashamed of it, not the contrary.

[–]EnglandReflex2011 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Ashamed? That I didn't know the one French fella I knew he definitely played up his french accent, he liked knowing that English people in particular girls find it sexy. I can't blame him I've got a thing for French woman and their accent.

[–]Olympique de Marseilleparisontencule 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Maybe for picking up girls its an advantage but in any other situation no one likes having a foreign accent. I go to a French business school with courses thaught in English, telling someone they have an X accent is the best way to discourage them from talking English in public, and as others have pointed out French people tend to have a tough time with English pronunciations

A big reason why the French people refuse to speak English stereotype emerge is that French people tend to be ashamed of their pronunciations.

[–]IcelandTemporaryEconomist -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Maybe for picking up girls its an advantage but in any other situation no one likes having a foreign accent.

Not so sure about that. Your accent is fine and understandable. Everyone has an accent, even native English speakers. What makes you believe your accent is any worse than some random US accent? Or god forbid, something like Scouse?

[–]Berekum Chelsealosingit303 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it depends on the sort of person someone is . I doubt someone who is naturally a confident person would be discouraged speaking by that . And the opposite can be said of someone self conscious

[–]Olympique de Marseilleparisontencule 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Personally until last year Ive done all my schooling in American and British sysems so I dont have a "foreign" accent in English (my accent is more "neutral" if that makes sense) but having studied with many people who have had to learn English later in life, I can assure you that is a big concern for most people.

Im also half French / half African but brought up in Africa. Now that Im in France my accent is noticeable and its a disadvantage for me on the phone or looking for jobs. Same thing can be said of a scouse or an Alabama accents. Its not always the case but in certain situations having a certain accent can definitely be an advantage

[–]IcelandTemporaryEconomist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fair enough.

I can speak English with no noticeable Icelandic accent (or so I'm told), but I actually choose to speak with an accent. Now I don't go as far as Björk does, but I make sure there is an Icelandic accent in there. I particularly enjoy using our strong 'r', knowing from experience most English people can't even make the sound (plenty of Scots can, though).

My nieces and nephews seem to be terrified when I do it, as for whatever reason they're embarrassed by it. I couldn't begin to understand why. I absolutely love it. Also gets me into some fun conversations when people ask me where I'm from!

Never been an issue for me so far, but then again I've never exactly been applying for jobs in England.

[edit] I do note that I have had job interviews in English though, with the interviewees being either English or American. Didn't seem to bother them, as I always got the job.

[–]Liverpoolfatherfrosto -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

The french are bit of an extreme example to be fair, sure most nations have lota pride in their culture and identity(and nothing wrong with that of course) but Ive been to lots of countries in my time(and if I also use some anecdotal evidence from friends family etc..) but when in France, especially Paris or when meeting French anywhere in the world they have a VERY strong attitude towards sounding french and making sure everyone knows they are.

The amount of looks and attitude I got from people for not speaking fluent french when trying to order some wine on my holiers over there is a fucking joke, then you hear mutters of being English(ignoring fact I'm Irish, cause who needs Irony amIright)

I work with lots of lads from Netherlands and Scandinavian areas and they all try sound as Englishy as they can esp in work environment. There's something to admire about pride in your culture and where you came from, and then there's being an arrogant twat. Fine lines.

[–]Olympique de MarseilleIzyboy13 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Maybe some French people are like that but I can assure that most of the time it's just that our english is bad (And that's because of the pride in our culture and language). Everytime I speak english I try my best but my accent is terrible. It's not like "hey I'm French so I'm going to speak English poorly just to make a point"

[–]In_a_stem_cell 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

My Italian gf has a theory that French and Italian people's English is worse than other European countries because everything is dubbed on TV and at the cinema. In Portugal, for example, they predominantly use subtitles and that helps with the accent

[–]San Francisco City FCsavardfaire 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A lot of people have that theory, there's definitely some truth to it. Anybody who has ever tried to learn a new language as an adult will tell you one of the single best ways to bed in knowledge is by watching a lot of TV and movies in that language.

[–]Liverpoolfatherfrosto 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

our english is bad (And that's because of the pride in our culture and language)

It's not like "hey I'm French so I'm going to speak English poorly just to make a point"

Im making a bit of a stretch, but those two things are kinda conflicting with each other to be honest.

[–]Olympique de Marseilleparisontencule 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You cant compare French with Northern Europeans like Scandinavians and Dutch, they are far better in English than we are. We are similar to Italians and Spanish, were getting better but still lag behind. And French waiters are rude to everyone not just English (or Irish) people

[–]CaughtDoggingTheBoys 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Louis Van Gaal was the master of butchering other languages to fit them into his native language's sentence structures and turns of phrase.

[–]Bayern Münchentimothymr 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I can understand that.

[–]TheOnlyTagey 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This pretty much sums Jose up I feel. The best example recently is when he talks about Leicester. He keeps pronouncing it 'Lyster', and I refuse to believe that anyone in football last season didn't hear the correct pronunciation a million times over.

He just says things the way he wants to say them.

[–]ChelseaDJ_Augustin 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I'm sorry but that's quite an ignorant thing to say. He is a fluent speaker with an accent. On top of that he has a way with words that has created his whole persona.

[–]Bayern Münchentimothymr 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm not saying he's shit. As I said, his English is better than my Portuguese could ever be. I'm simply stating that with a lot of translators, they have little to no accent when it comes to speaking another language. As u/765433bikesinbeijing and u/NoOneMakesItOutAlive said, a large part of it is probably due to an identity thing rather than being bad at what he does.

There are like 5 or 6 grades of language fluency with the highest grade being something along the lines of being so fluent you can't tell they are speaking a foreign language. I'm no expert but I'd rank Mourinho at B2 according to this scale.

[–]San Francisco City FCsavardfaire 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sorry but the European Framework makes no note of accents, because they don't matter one fucking bit. Joseph Conrad had a very heavy Polish accent by all accounts, and is one of the English language's greatest writers. Are you really saying Mourinho cannot:

*Can understand with ease virtually everything heard or read.

*Can summarize information from different spoken and written sources, reconstructing arguments and accounts in a coherent presentation.

*Can express themselves spontaneously, very fluently and precisely, differentiating finer shades of meaning even in the most complex situations.

...because I sure think he can.

[–]Leeds Uniteddjp1987 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't say he's C2 level, he makes too many grammar and vocabulary errors for a student of that level. His English is still good, it just seems to have got worse since he became Real manager.

[–]Manchester UnitedTheGerryAdamsFamily 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

English teacher here, he's a strong C1 in my opinion. At least that's the class I'd put him in if he came to my school (man that would be great).

[–]Bayern Münchentimothymr 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fair enough. As I said, I'm no expert so I'm not as familiar with that grading system as others are. I just had to learn about it at my old job so I understand it's used broadly, I didn't know how specific it is when it comes to language.

I wouldn't argue that he can't express himself spontaneously or precisely. My point that seems to be getting lost is that when he speaks, more often than not his sentences seem awkward at times. Yes, he makes sense and you understand what he's saying - but it's sometimes peculiar. This video for example has a number of examples where his English makes perfect sense but is still a bit awkward. 'I was speaking only for Mario'. You know what he's saying but it's not necessarily how a native English speaker would verbalise it.

Maybe I'm just nit-picking though.

[–]San Francisco City FCsavardfaire 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fair enough as well, that's probably the most halting I've ever heard Mou in English. Maybe it was lack of practice or something, being at Inter and Real, because he normally doesn't sound that clunky when he managed Chelsea or Man U.

As an aside, I think one thing to note is English speakers and teachers don't really emphasize accent as highly as other languages. I studied French and they definitely beat the drum for trying to sound Parisian. It's usually considered rude to tell somebody you can't understand them, unless their accent is truly incomprehensible.

[–]PortugalSpicy_food 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Truth be told, he wasn't an official translator, nor did he have the credentials for it. What he was, was a person that had a coach/manager degree that spoke English and Portuguese.

[–]Cambridge UnitedAtrevetetetete -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wouldn't even matter...translators work with text, interpreters work with spoken language.

/pedant /s

[–]discodolly 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

his english is fine

[–]Bayern Münchentimothymr 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Again, I'm not saying he's completely incomprehensible.

I'm simply saying that for someone whose first job was as a translator, I would expect his level of English to be higher than it already is.

[–]discodolly 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

he just has to be able to get the point across and not write essays.

British people tend not to care too much about language accuracy tbh, if you have heard the gutteral sounds that eminate from bristolians, scousers, scots and people from wigan you'd understand

[–]justdiditonce -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Doesn't he get a bit of stick about it from the Barca fans?

[–]Manchester UnitedNoOneMakesItOutAlive 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a weird thing to give someone stick about. "Ha ha you know multiple languages!"

[–]apegoneinsane 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can't believe this is upvoted and the other guy downvoted. He's clearly responding to the fact that Mourinho started off as a translator, not him being a polygot. If anyone here was even into football back then, you would know he's completely right: he was negatively viewed/referred to by some Barca fans as 'the translator' as a way to mock how he began in the 1990s.

[–]dahmur 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Cech is a ploygot too; he can speak Czech, French, English, German, Slovak(?), Spanish and Italian

[–]Chelseajohnfive21 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Slovak(?)

Yes. Pretty much every Czech can speak (or at least understand) Slovak and vice versa. We were one country for almost a century and our languages are very similar.

[–]Greenock Mortongreatkingrat 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's also fluent in kick ass drum solos.

[–]Manchester UnitedNoOneMakesItOutAlive 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I envy people like this. If you're in your 30s is it too late to become a polyglot?

[–]Crvena ZvezdaTomBradyGOAT 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Of course not

[–]Manchester UnitedNoOneMakesItOutAlive 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It just seems like one of those skills you need to learn as a kid

[–]Manchester Unitedinsty1 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's certainly easier to learn languages as a kid, but far from impossible to learn as an adult.

[–]Manchester Unitedzlatanismo 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also easier to learn if you're not lazy af lol

[–]San Francisco City FCsavardfaire 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The biggest investment you have to make in learning a language is time. The science on whether kids pick up language easier naturally is mixed, for some it's just that kids have less self-consciousness (so they don't care about making mistakes) and way more time to learn.

I've been doing Dutch for 18 months and I'm slowly starting to see some real results and that's only on half an hour a day, plus the odd movie or TV show or football match. I've taken some breaks too, probably 2-3 months off in total. If I was a kid, I could spend hours learning because I have more time and I'd probably achieve fluency quicker.

So invest time and I think practically, learn a fairly straightforward language. I did French off and on for years and French grammar is really hard for me. Learning the most similar widely-spoken language to English was definitely a smarter move, disregarding that I have a strong affinity for the Dutch and some family ties there (my aunt lives there).

[–]cloudprince 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is this through classes? Duolingo? Self taught through books? Any advice? I want to learn Dutch too (currently living in Australia but love The Netherlands)!

[–]San Francisco City FCsavardfaire 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Duo plus a few books on grammar, which is usually my weakness. I've finished the Duolingo tree and am now doing Babbel, which is way better for a grounding in grammar. It costs money but it's worth it in my opinion.

[–]GermanyFearFailure 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, but it is incredibly hard to learn a language if you don't have the opportunity to converse with native speakers fairly regularly. This is why language courses in schools (especially without exchanges or overseas trips) are often fairly unsuccessful.

[–]R961ROP 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I taught myself Spanish (basic, enough to get along on holiday without using English at all) in a few months just using podcasts for 1/2 - 1 hour a day whilst commuting.

[–]dahmur 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's fairly easy to do it as a kid, but even as an adult it's not impossible. Just need a lot of dedication, plus learning alone doesn't quite work out, you need to rehearse with natives to achieve fluency. I've got 4 languages down, but if I won't converse with natives, gradually I'll lose my grip on them.

[–]San Francisco City FCsavardfaire 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I'm learning Dutch and I'm at the point I need to get out there and start talking to people. Which is not easy to do when you're naturally a little shy.

[–]GermanyNarretz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Possible yes, but some people just learn easier than others.

[–]pm_me_germany 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not too late. My German grandpa is learning Spanish with me so I'm not studying alone. He is above 80. Still doing great. Just need to practice everyday

[–]RB LeipzigKaze79 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No Czech is gonna include Slovak in his language reportoire...

Everyone who can speak Czech understands Slovak, even more than Croatian or Polish. Maybe it's something like Italian and Roman?

[–]Liverpoolfluffyferris5[S] 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (37子コメント)

No appreciation for this over at r/todayilearned but I thought you all would find this interesting :)

A polyglot is someone fluent in numerous languages

European Polyglots:

  • "José Mourinho is a Portuguese football manager, known as one of the world's best, can speak Spanish, Italian, English and French as well as his native Portuguese."

  • "Henrikh Mkhitaryan, Armenian football player. As of 2013 he spoke five languages (Armenian, Russian, English, French, Portuguese) and was learning German."

Mourinho and Mkhitaryan aren't the only polyglots in the world of football!

  • Arsenal Manager Arsene Wegner knows French, German, English, Spanish, Italian, and some Japanese.

  • Roy Hodgson, former England Manager knows English, Norwegian, Swedish, German, and Italian as well as some Danish, French, and Finnish.

  • Clarence Seedorf, former player and manager at AC Milan knows Dutch, English, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish, and Surinamese (creole language spoken in Suriname, South America).

[–]Manchester UnitedNoOneMakesItOutAlive 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (18子コメント)

That's actually really surprising about Hodgson

[–]Manchester UnitedAveLucifer 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's just not as much an English thing to know several languages, as compared to people on the continent who often can speak 2-3.

[–]San Francisco City FCsavardfaire 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Anglosphere countries are just bloody awful at learning languages in general. It's a mix of our education systems just not taking it seriously and a certain arrogance that comes from having the world's lingua franca. There aren't many places you can go in the world speaking just English and not be able to get around.

The UK gets the most stick here because it's in Europe and large and football pundits saying Santi Choritzo is a running joke at this point, but the Irish aren't any better at it than the English are. Most of them can't even hold a conversation in Irish. Ditto Canadians, French is an official language there and many Anglo-Canadians I've met are almost proud they can't speak French. I'm originally from the States and foreign language teaching there is a joke. The only Aussies I know who speak a second language are the children of immigrants. It goes on and on.

The only anglophone groups I know of that are reasonably good at a second language are people who grew up in anglophone countries but were a minority. So Anglos in Montreal, where most people speak French, tend to be pretty good at French and English South Africans, because most white people there speak Afrikaans as a first language and the apartheid government was essentially Afrikaner nationalists and instituted extensive bilingual education. So most white South Africans I know speak it, even if they aren't ethnically Afrikaner.

[–]1. FC KölnToniPolster 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also there is a deep rooted problem with the confidence of native English speakers. When I was in the army back in the early 90's we had many British and American soldiers still stationed here in Germany and it was my 'task' to give them a brief introduction in to our language. You could tell that the concept of learning another language seemed totally alien and even intimidating to them. They just never used it and this was the time when Germans did not really know English on a broader scale or at least not as good as these days. And as you said this is something you need to learn early in your life in school, just try another tongue without fear of looking stupid.

[–]San Francisco City FCsavardfaire 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I can personally attest to fear of coming off like an idiot being a major roadblock for me.

[–]Republic of IrelandIkaneko 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Most of them can't even hold a conversation in Irish.

LOL. You do know that Irish is essentially confined to the Gaeltacht and official documents, right? Most people wouldn't be able to remember it from their school days, when they're required to learn if they went to an Irish school.

[–]San Francisco City FCsavardfaire 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not a positive testament to the Irish people's ability to learn another language. It's not like people are saying "Irish is useless, so I learned French instead". They're saying "Irish is useless, EXCUSE ME GAR-CAN, MAY I HAVE A GLASS OF WINE ROOOGE, S'IL VOOOOS PLATE?"

[–]NorwayCalimariae 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (7子コメント)

To be fair though, if you know Norwegian you know Swedish and you can understand written Danish.

Knowing Finnish is very impressive however. That language doesn't resemble anything else.

[–]Ekenäs Idrottsföreningfotboll 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, no. He probably knows about as much Finnish as you do. "Yksi. Kaksi. Ei saa peittää." (and most likely a few swear words he'd have picked up at training).

When the British media (Daily Mirror) started parading out this claim, it came as a complete surprise to the press relations officer of the Finnish national team.

"The command language was English, as was the socializing language. I doubt he's learned Finnish since leaving us." (rough translation)

Source: Ilta-Sanomat

[–]Olympique de Marseilleparisontencule 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There always tend to be a bit of exxageration in these fluency posts.

[–]NorwayCalimariae 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha, ok thanks.

Voi vittu perkele.

[–]Benficatafguedes99 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sort of like, if you know Portuguese you understand Spanish and you can understand written Italian.

[–]NorwayCalimariae 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Precisely.

As a Norwegian I know Swedish and Danish by default.

Add English to that and I wouldn't exactly brag about being some kind of polyglot.

[–]gravizapa 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Finnish is similar to Estonian.

[–]NorwayCalimariae 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I meant like the others on his list.

Roy Hodgson, former England Manager knows English, Norwegian, Swedish, German, and Italian as well as some Danish, French, and Finnish.

All of those are Indo-European languages.

Finnish is the odd one out.

[–]Örgryte ISJeSuisSuedois 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It shouldn't surprise anyone familiar with him, he spent some 30 years living abroad before he took over Fulham.

He did some pundit work on Swedish TV before he went back to work in England and his Swedish is definitely fluent, though he speaks with a very characteristic English accent.

[–]GermanyNarretz 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Too bad he doesn't know Football

[–]FrenchInDenmark 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

especially the Norwegian/Swedish part.

[–]Chippenham Townwaxed__owl 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well he did win the Swedish league 7 times

[–]CelticFinniemc 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

A lot of the Belgians speak 4 or more languages: Lukaku, Kompany, Mertens, Carrasco, Courtois, Nainggolan, ...

[–]DUDE_R_T_F_M 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was expecting a list of languages there and you threw me in for a loop :p

[–]Gilport LionsKwetla 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You don't speak Lukaku?

[–]Cambridge UnitedAtrevetetetete 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's tough learning Lukaku when you're used to writing in Nainggolanic Script.

[–]Manchester UnitedMadaraTheUchiha 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, it really helps being Belgian to learn multiple languages. In Flanders for example we start learning French when we're 12, English at 14, German at 15 and later on in secondary school you can opt for Spanish, Greek or others.

One of the few good things about this country.

[–]Arsenalelnino19 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

pjanic is another well known example. dzeko too i think

[–]BenficaPablo_Aimar 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd like to add that Seedorf's portuguese is amazing. If I didn't know who he was and heard him speak portuguese, I would assume he's brazilian.

[–]Liverpoolfatherfrosto 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ive always got feeling Wengers a really smart fucker. Like you'd have a glass of wine with him somewhere and he'd just know fucking everything, and beat you at every discussion about a topic cause of it.

Cultured fucker!

[–]Manchester UnitedKapiHeartlilly 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also on the Wikipedia page:

Gianni Infantino, current president of FIFA. He is fluent in Italian, French and German and also knows English, Spanish, Portuguese and Arabic.

Luís Figo, retired footballer. He is fluent in five languages: Portuguese, Spanish, English, Italian and French.

[–]PortugalSpicy_food 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Truth be told, if you speak Portuguese you'll have no trouble speaking Spanish. Italian and French are a bit different but they're still latin languages which makes it simpler for a Portuguese speaking person. When i say Portuguese, i mean the European version. The brazilian version is far more sound inclined and open which makes them have a very noticeable accent in foreign languages.

[–]Manchester UnitedZzssk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I want to hear Arsene speaking Japanese!

[–]Manchester UnitedMadaraTheUchiha 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

uhhh hai hai uhhh sanchez wa uhh very good desu.

[–]Manchester UnitedZzssk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Jose-kun?! b-b-baka!

[–]Arsenaledmar10 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

https://youtu.be/gkya0xtOVsQ?t=47

He definitely isn't fluent but it looks like he can speak a little. Funny side note, in Japanese his name is written Bengeru

[–]Manchester UnitedMadaraTheUchiha 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's like listening to my first Japanese class all over again.

[–]Arsenaledmar10 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Haha he does have a pretty bad accent. On the other hand, his German is way better. I'd almost even say that his German is as good as his English

[–]Manchester UnitedMadaraTheUchiha 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do rate him for saying it himself though rather than getting a translator to do it, which would've been way easier.

[–]1. FC KölnToniPolster 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Numerous is quite vague though, is it not? I mean, would that not make anyone who speaks at least two non native languages a polyglot?

[–]Borussia DortmundPrutuga 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Mkhitaryan is fluent in portuguese because of high number of brazilian players in Shakhtar? or its another reason?

[–]Borussia DortmundVanskus 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He played for São Paulo's U17 for a short period of time as well, could have picked it up initially from there.

[–]Manchester Unitedredditor-from-mars 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He went to Brazil aged 13 at a youth tournament where he fell in love with Brazil. He also became friends with Hernanes (of Juve) there.

Source : this article he wrote which is a good read for any football fan

[–]Leeds Uniteddjp1987 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Haven't heard him speak English yet, but his Russian is superb.

[–]Philadelphia Unionkeystone_union 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most Armenians probably know Russian to at least an intermediate level because history.

[–]Manchester UnitedMadaraTheUchiha 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEbLO-9EcSM

His first interview, handles himself really well

[–]Tyson-X 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Using the term "fluent" very loosely I see. Mkhitaryan's German and Portuguese is nowhere near fluent. Neither is Mourinho with French.

[–]Olympique de Marseilleparisontencule 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nah Mourinho is actually pretty good in French https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gw9nj4Khk8

[–]PortugalSpicy_food 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, noticeable accent and simpler structures but very fluent indeed.

[–]Olympique de Marseilleparisontencule 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jardim on the other hand.. A for effort but it sounds like hes created his own language at times

[–]CorinthiansGGiroldo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"The Brazilians are amazing in their nature. You cannot describe it, you must feel that warmth when you’re around them to understand". I've never heard about this article, what a nice text he wrote. We just welcome everyone with the same kindness we have with people we know our entire life, really nice to see someone on his level that recognizes it.

[–]Liverpoolimustbethedevil 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not too late to start learning some mandarin

[–]Borussia Dortmundaxehomeless 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is definitely not fluent in german, at least he never showed it at his time with us. We was definitely learning though and is a very smart kid.

Wish he had backbone as well.

[–]Selangor FAwadivengeance 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I thought it's a European thing to be polyglots with the exception of English people.

Most Chinese people can speak at least three different Chinese (Mandarin, Cantonese, Hokkien etc). Its one thing that I envy about them. Most Malaysian Chinese can easily speak up to 5 languages

[–]Arsenalankeiii 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not true! Only minority of Chinese people can speak Cantonese or Hokkien. Cantonese is only spoken in the southern part of China, e.g. HK, Shenzhen & Guangzhou

[–]ArsenalNayr91 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah well I'm a parselmouth

[–]ArsenalNayr91 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah well I'm a parselmouth

[–]Manchester UnitedTofik23 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

By the way, what's the name for someone who doesn't know how to speak their own language? (Looking at you, Jamie)

[–]Borussia DortmundChazy89 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, he is amazing at learning languages and he is so humble. Great person if you meet him. Never refused a wish for a signing or even a photo. Oh and he even drives the cars players get as a present from their sponsors :D

[–]jxd73 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are there any Portuguese who's not fluent in Spanish?

[–]Borussia Dortmundmadmadaa 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And I'm fluent in my native language and Englezi!

[–]pjsol 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As an Armenian, I'm still struggling with Mkhi playing for United....I've been a Liverpool supporter all my life. Why?!?!

[–]ChelseaValbuenaSaxTape 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

ah the annual Mkhitaryan polyglot thread

[–]Chelseacfcforeverfan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

does 4 language qualify as polyglot?

i can only speak 4...they are fucking genius to speak like 5+ languages

[–]GermanyNarretz -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now kiss