I just recalled something that I've said a lot of times over many years. Something that is true, but also weighs against the claim that MGTOW are really just incels/TFL.

Basically, when women hit their 40's (even late 30's) society begins hearing things like: "I'll never have another man." "After this 1 is gone there won't be any more.", etc. The older they get...the more say something along that line.

It dawned on me years ago as I was slowly sinking toward the MGTOW mindset...that it's ok when women say that kind of thing, BUT when men say it...it's unacceptable.

My point is: Women get tired of playing the games. They get tired of the bullshit that they deal with from men. And, that's ok. <--Meaning that's ok and it's ok socially!, but it's not ok for men to ever just say: "Fuck this." and walk away.

When women say it...it's understandable. When men say it...it's "what's wrong with you???