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[–]PonderayFollows an AR(1) process 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

As a microeconomist looking in a lot of Romer's criticisms make a lot of intuitive sense. Especially the way that Kocherlakota phrases them make a lot of sense:

In terms of the methodological criticism, I’m going to strip it down to the following simple statement: Many of the most essentiall features of macroeconomic models have little grounding in evidence. For example, most of the models presume that:

agents have rational expectations.

product markets are purely competitive or are monopolistically competitive

labor markets are purely competitive, entirely union-based, or based on fairly structured one-on-one bargaining.

All of these modeling assumptions matter for key macroeconomic questions, like the effect of monetary policy on inflation and unemployment. But they are based largely on theoretical introspection (done thirty or forty years ago!), not data.

Microfounding everything was a massive methodological advancement. But the exact form of the micro foundations always seemed arbitrary or a matter of mathematical convenience. How do we decide which micro data that we're going to match and which we're not going to care about? The standard answer is that it's going to depend on what question we're asking and what we want the model to do. But there's a certain amount of ambiguity here, and the danger is that researchers priors can come in to play. Same with shocks. The way shocks are added to the model also feels ad-hoc. At it's worst it feels like it's overfitting.

[–]ivansmlhotshot with a theory[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree that modeling choices are sometimes made due to tractability or just historical path dependence, but that's true for any economic field, not just macro. One could perhaps argue that such shortcuts and conventions can still be justified if they make the overall research process more efficient, since researchers can reuse a core model as a sort of shared language, even if it's arbitrary in some aspects.

I also agree that such conventions can be misused for masking ones priors (any time I read Prescott on how some analysis done with stochastic growth model is just an application of "standard economic theory", I wanna facepalm), but then again this is neither specific to macro, nor is it fair to apply to macro as a whole.

[–]IntegraldsLiving on a Lucas island 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Section 7.1 from Romer is confusing.

Nevertheless, Lucas (2003, p. 11) considers the effect of making monetary policy more predictable and concludes that the potential welfare gain is indeed small, "on the order of hundredths of a percent of consumption."

...

The only possible explanation I can see for the strong claims that Lucas makes in his 2003 lecture relative to what he wrote before and after is that in the lecture, he was doing his best to support his friend Prescott.

Lucas has always claimed that the welfare costs of business cycles are small, indeed he's said as much since at least 1987 (Models of Business Cycles, chapter 1). This isn't something new, and it's not something he's saying to "support Prescott."

Lucas gave a strong endorsement to Prescott’s claim that monetary economics was a triviality.

Primarily in his discussion of long-run growth, a topic on which basically everyone agrees that monetary policy is a triviality (outside of hyperinflations and other systematic institutional failures).

In his comments on business cycles, Lucas is of the opinion that we've basically solved that problem, which was more or less representative of the field in 2003.


Has it occurred to Romer that monetary policy shocks are small precisely because monetary policymakers tend to be academic economists and are actively engaged in the business of keeping monetary shocks small?

For all of his talk of the identification problem, he fails to consider that one. Indeed a world where money matters, but the monetary authority keeps monetary shocks small, is almost impossible to distinguish from an RBC world. Part of the point of good monetary policy is to make the world look as if Prescott were right, and we indeed did a good job of that for about a quarter-century after 1982.

I can simultaneously believe that:

  1. Money matters for business cycles,
  2. Monetary shocks have, historically, been small on average
  3. Hence monetary shocks account for a small portion of the variance of output over the postwar period
  4. In the few episodes for which we have identified monetary shocks, they seem to matter a great deal

Similarly, it's true that:

  1. Oil supply shocks matter for business cycles,
  2. Oil supply shocks have, historically, been small on average,
  3. Hence oil shocks account for a small portion of the variance in output over the postwar period,
  4. In the few episodes for which we have identified oil supply shocks, them seem to matter a great deal

Similarly credit supply shocks.

Romer ought to especially like oil supply shocks: you can reach out and touch them, especially given the institutional arrangements in place before 1980. Phlogiston they are not. (You can't touch monetary shocks, except in rare cases. Why are they acceptable but other unobservable shocks are not acceptable?)

[Footnote: If I may give my actual opinion for once: Oil and money really are the two main shocks, with credit supply shocks mattering in certain sharp intervals. High-frequency movement in the technological frontier is fairly unimportant, and tax/government shocks matter more for the 3-10 year horizon than the 1-5 year horizon. It is all about oil and money. Unfortunately, monetary shocks since 1982 have been exceptionally small, and monetary shocks pre-1982 are almost hopelessly confounded with oil supply shocks. I'm not saying that all is lost, just that the data is nowhere near clean enough to just eyeball the relevant time series.]


Really, this paper is the gift that keeps on giving.

If the Fed can cause a 500 basis point change in interest rates, it is absurd to wonder if monetary policy is important. Faced with the data in Figure 2, the only way to remain faithful to dogma that monetary policy is not important is to argue that despite what people at the Fed thought, they did not change the Fed funds rate...

Suppose I think that conditional on a monetary shock, output and inflation move; but that historically, monetary shocks have been small. Then I could simultaneously think that the Fed can cause a 500 basis point change in real interest rates, but also claim that monetary policy is unimportant for business cycles (since the shocks themselves were, on average, small).

Come on, Romer, this is first-year stuff. The variance of the shock matters just as much as the conversion coefficient in the regression.


Disclaimer: I am well-known around these parts as a Lucas fanboy. Downweight my comments as you see fit based on your Bayesian prior.

[–]wumbotarianhemispheric common market 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lucas has always claimed that the welfare costs of business cycles are small, indeed he's said as much since at least 1987 (Models of Business Cycles, chapter 1). This isn't something new, and it's not something he's saying to "support Prescott."

Reading this gave me a flash back to November 2012, when I was taking Intermediate Macro. I actually dug up my notes from the first class on business cycle fluctuations and a short-run model. They state:

Cost of Business Cycle

Short Answer:

  • Not very high
  • LR Growth more expensive

This, of course, coming from my professor who thinks Lucas deserves a second Nobel.

Gazing over my notes from that class, I honestly should've internalized what was said a lot more than I did. I'm literally flipping through a babby NK model right now. I didn't even realize.

Downweight my comments as you see fit based on your Bayesian prior.

Haven't we established that Lucas is a God?

[–]IntegraldsLiving on a Lucas island 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And in the interest of disclosure, there are a thousand reasons to think Lucas' estimate of the cost of business cycles is too low. The main point today is that Lucas has been making similar calculations for decades; he's not coming up with small numbers because Ed Prescott wants him to.

(To put on my Tyler Cowen hat, Lucas' estimates tell us that the benefits of insurance are ridiculously high.)

[–]MrDannyOceanpenguinomics 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Suppose I think that conditional on a monetary shock, output and inflation move; but that historically, monetary shocks have been small. Then I could simultaneously think that the Fed can cause a 500 basis point change in real interest rates, but also claim that monetary policy is unimportant for business cycles (since the shocks themselves were, on average, small).

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that monetary policy is obviously important, but actively managed and therefore of small impact? I might be playing semantics here, but unimportant seems like the wrong word.

[–]LordBufo 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

  1. Fed economists have incentives to publish well not to justify monetary policy.

  2. Imaginary I think is a key point here.

  3. It's an obvious point because he is setting up the argument that they fail to identify their model.

  4. He is actually arguing any expectations make identification harder. Rat-ex makes identifying cross-equation restrictions that do address this. I think his point is that he doesn't like that macro theorists use unrealistic assumptions to identify the models.

  5. He is saying tha strong Baysean priors are often functionally just identification by assumption, which seems fair.

  6. That's just a simple example. His point is that no amount of deduction or obfuscation makes an identifying assumption more than an assumption.

7.& 8. are just trying to explain the sociology of science that would cause such problems. He's definitely salty but that doesn't inherently mean he's wrong.

The big picture is he's arguing that identifying by assumption in macro is bad because the acceptable assumptions are not based on empirics but are based on academic politics.

[–]ivansmlhotshot with a theory[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

  1. DSGE models are used in the forecasting and policy process, not just for academic sideprojects, in several central banks and international institutions (some examples: FRB, NY FED, ECB, BoE, BoC, Riskbank, CNB, EC, IMF).

  2. What is imaginary and what is real? If shocks are bad just because they're unobserved, then in the quest to purge economics from imaginary shocks one will probably have to get rid of most empirical work (or is the residual from OLS regression more real than residual from Kalman filter?).

  3. No, Romer argues that the identification imposed by DSGE models is not credible, but that has nothing to do with rank condition in simultaneous equation models.

  4. "Unrealistic assumptions" is in the same category as "homo economicus" - just a slogan.

  5. Deep down, any identification is by assumption, really.

  6. Has anybody claimed otherwise?

  7. The problem is that couple anecdotes != evidence.

[–]LordBufo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

  1. And the people who use it have academic backgrounds and get evaluated based on academic publications. DSGE at least used to be the way to signal academic macro ability.

  2. Empirical work tends to interpret an error term as error. Macro theorists treat it as a key model feature.

  3. He just says expectations SEM has more things to identify which DSGE answers with more of the same bad identification strategies.

  4. Or "microfoundations." Call things you want, but DSGE often uses identifying assumptions that are empirically invald.

  5. Yes. Not even that deep. But in applied seminars people spend a lot of time justifying instruments not citing Lucas or making empirically falsified assumptions.

  6. Yes, frequently. e.g. Theory Ahead of Measurement.

  7. Calling Lucas and Prescott anecdotal is surely unfair given their towering prestige in the field, no?

[–]uelueluel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

What's BE's opinion on Prescott?

[–]say_wot_againMachine learning is a fad 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You see RVI on the sidebar? The one that says that anyone criticizing a Nobel winner has to dedicate at least two paragraphs to explaining why they're wrong? Prescott is the sole exception to that rule.

[–]mrregmonkeyAbortions Reduce Crime 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Is Prescott the exception?

I don't like making him an exception and I fucking hate RBC.

[–]say_wot_againMachine learning is a fad 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It would be fitting to make him the triumph of discretion over rules.

[–]mrregmonkeyAbortions Reduce Crime 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That IS ironic.

[–]uelueluel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does he give ASU a bad reputation?

[–]Crow7878Learning Lurker: If Seen Making Badeconomics, Point and Laugh 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hang-on, they're going to post "The Trouble With the Trouble With the Trouble".

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    [–]ivansmlhotshot with a theory[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I think this RI goes too far, Romer identifies some key issues with DSGE modelling

    The problem is that he doesn't, not really. Others have written critiques that are much better (e.g. Blanchard, Caballero or Wren-Lewis).

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