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[–]Ewindal 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is the oddest topic I've ever seen in this subreddit.

[–]EtherMan 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (6子コメント)

You're hilarious...

First of all, the image in question, is of Wikipe-tan.

Secondly, Wikipe-tan is 18 as stated by the creator on multiple occasions and little girls, don't wear sailor uniforms and maid uniforms which are her two most common and original uniforms.

Thirdly, if you take issue with that image... Oh boy would you take issue with an image like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lolicon_Sample.png as used in the lolicon article.

And lastly, IT'S A DRAWN IMAGE YOU TOOL...

[–]student28567271 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wikipe-tan is 18 as stated by the creator

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IT'S A DRAWN IMAGE

Can both of these things be true at once? I kind of get what you are trying to say, but it seems to me that if it's a drawn image, the concept of "age" as we usually think about it is pretty meaningless. The artist could say she is 200 years old and that would technically be true because the author gets to define her (fictional) age. Having said that, if you showed wikipe-tan to a group of 100 people and asked them to estimate the age, I guarantee you the average would be considerably lower than 18.

Interestingly, that lolicon picture you linked to (which I think even you will agree is designed to be sexually titillating) was drawn by the same person who drew wikipe-tan. Makes you wonder whether it's an innocent as you're claiming, given that the artist is in the business of producing images of sexualized cartoon children.

[–]EtherMan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Can both of these things be true at once? I kind of get what you are trying to say, but it seems to me that if it's a drawn image, the concept of "age" as we usually think about it is pretty meaningless. The artist could say she is 200 years old and that would technically be true because the author gets to define her (fictional) age. Having said that, if you showed wikipe-tan to a group of 100 people and asked them to estimate the age, I guarantee you the average would be considerably lower than 18.

Ofc it can. The point about age, is the age of the character. That it's a drawn image does not change that it's a character. The only difference there is that the character is imaginary but even imaginary things have traits such as age. As for the answer a 100 people would give when asked to guess her age, is completely irrelevant. If we asked 100 people to ask the age of The Flash, then even if all 100 guessed that he was 3, the character would still not be 3. A guess is exactly that, a guess. It has no bearing on the facts of the matter.

Interestingly, that lolicon picture you linked to (which I think even you will agree is designed to be sexually titillating) was drawn by the same person who drew wikipe-tan. Makes you wonder whether it's an innocent as you're claiming, given that the artist is in the business of producing images of sexualized cartoon children.

Indeed it was. It was drawn exactly because Wales did not want a lolicon version of Wikipe-tan to be used. As for it being innocent or not, that's just a silly argument. The whole thign is on the level of "Hitler liked cheese, therefor cheese is bad". And again, it's a drawing... They're NOT REAL PEOPLE.

[–]CaptainObivousIllustrious Looshpah [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

it's a drawing... They're NOT REAL PEOPLE

Except Wikipedia is holding this character up as an example of men's desire when it says:

The Japanese anime character design reflects men's general preference for women with neotenous features...

... when this is of course not an image of a "woman". Look at that picture again and seriously... tell me that's a "woman" as the caption says it is. And please don't quote the creator of that image... use your eyes and tell me that's a "woman".

That the caption explicitly states that this is an example of what men desire is completely indefensible and the kind of synthesis only a weeaboo or a troll could defend.

[–]greenrd[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ofc it can. The point about age, is the age of the character. That it's a drawn image does not change that it's a character. The only difference there is that the character is imaginary but even imaginary things have traits such as age. As for the answer a 100 people would give when asked to guess her age, is completely irrelevant. If we asked 100 people to ask the age of The Flash, then even if all 100 guessed that he was 3, the character would still not be 3. A guess is exactly that, a guess. It has no bearing on the facts of the matter.

I love how you try to lawyer this. This is actually really simple. Normal adults do not find 9 year old girls sexually attractive. (Maybe 9 year old sexually precocious boys do, but they're not the main audience for the article, and the article shouldn't be designed around them.) The purpose of having illustrations in that article is to show examples of people who are conventionally physically attractive and explain why by reference to facial features, skin quality, symmetry, etc. Maybe the editor who inserted that image did not realise that.

[–]EtherMan 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And again, she's not 9, she's 18. She's also not being used as an example of an attractive person. It's an image drawn in manga style of a character that exhibit specific traits that the article describes as general traits that society deems to be attractive traits... The whole basis for your argument is simply incorrect.

[–]CaptainObivousIllustrious Looshpah [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The caption:

"The Japanese anime character design reflects men's general preference for women with neotenous features..."

... Is a bit much. I really don't give a fuck what the creator of that image says, that is not a woman. And captioning that saying basically "this is what men like" under the drawn image of what is clearly a girl is one of the most hilariously clueless things I've ever seen on Wikipedia.

[–]PadaV4 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Young girls cant be attractive?

[–]MacHaggis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think OP is still drunk from new year's eve. Calling everyone that is equally confused by his ramblings a paedophilic weeaboo sure puts the cherry on the crazy cake.

[–]student28567271 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Holy shit, pretty much that entire article is a trainwreck.

The Japanese anime character design reflects men's general preference for women with neotenous features, such as large eyes, small noses and jaws, flat faces, large heads and short arms and legs.

????????????

Weebs are fucking disgusting. End anime 2017.

[–]puckpanix [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That was my first thought. OP decided to fixate on the image, when it's the least of that article's problems.

[–]Terminal-Psychosis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Good. That Wikipe-tan bullshit has zero to do with attractiveness.

Keep the fetish freaks in their corner.

[–]Cowfighting [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

All right, which one of you fuckers put it back?

[–]EtherMan [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It was kind of obvious that someone putting it back would be the outcome. Removal of long standing content needs talk page consensus. And considering greenrd's other edits on wikipedia, I would say he'd be counting himself lucky if he does not get blocked as a vandal soon if he keeps on his current road... Adding large amounts of content without any sources to articles, and deleting other users comments on talk pages, are some of the things you just don't do on wikipedia, and things like making a large number of article space edits over a short period, while not exactly forbidden, is frowned upon since it means you took it very frivolously to make article space changes.

[–]greenrd[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Adding large amounts of content without any sources to articles

WP:BOLD. That wasn't a BLP. There are hundreds of computing articles which have hardly any sources, and nobody cares.

deleting other users comments on talk pages

WP:IAR. It was total bullshit.

and things like making a large number of article space edits over a short period, while not exactly forbidden, is frowned upon since it means you took it very frivolously to make article space changes.

I never knew that.