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The 3 Purposes Of Women

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Roosh Valizadeh
Daryush "Roosh" Valizadeh created ROK in October 2012. You can visit his blog at RooshV.com or follow him on Twitter and Facebook RSS
December 20, 2016 Girls
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When it comes to women, nature bestowed only three roles upon them: reproductive sex, child rearing, and homemaking. A woman who engages in behaviors outside of those three roles is going against her biology and will experience suffering as a result.

Reproductive sex

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The primary function of sex is to reproduce. The secondary function of sex is to experience pleasure. Through universal abortion and birth control, we have demoted the function of sex to one solely of pleasure. Sex is now a sterile act between two individuals who are often under the influence of alcohol or drugs and who were paired based on emotional short-term reasons that often come down to entertainment or boredom.

Child rearing

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The reason that women excel in child rearing is because their brains are similar to that of a young child. For proof of this, you only need to witness an adult woman interacting with children. While a man may be stiff and awkward with the creature, a woman instantly adopts a child-like personality and voice to create a genuine bond. It’s through this bond that a woman can better sense a child’s needs and communicate with it.

Homemaking

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Women have a unique taste and aesthetic that transforms any dwelling from a functional unit to a “home.” They add comfort, warmth, and cleanliness while men tend to focus on more utilitarian and practical aspects of living. A family home that has been touched by feminine hands is one where its occupants will be more comfortable.
A woman who is engaging in sex with a multitude of partners without any concern for reproduction, and who has less interest in child rearing than in surrogate activities like working in an office, dancing in nightclubs, or playing trivia games on her electronic device, and who is unwilling or unable to make a home comfortable for her family is going against her purpose. This may remind you of women you know.
Can happiness be achieved by going against your biology?
The easiest way to answer that question is to examine the mental health of those individuals who have firmly denied their biology: homosexuals and transsexuals. Studies clearly show that these groups are the most mentally ill and suicidal out of the population (1, 2, 3, 4, 5). Denying your genetic makeup entails the highest risk of being a loon.
A woman cannot be happy or even content with life if she elects not to reproduce, raise children, or be a homemaker. Is it a coincidence that modern civilization is actively encouraging women to stray far from these three biological roles? Our current society is inverted, as those who rule over us have determined that it’s better to redirect feminine energy into something that benefits their own selfish ends.
Not only are women suffering more than in the past but men are suffering too, because they are forced to interact with broken women who deny their biology. Until we have women embracing their biological roles, this needless suffering will continue.
This article was originally published on Roosh V.
Roosh Valizadeh
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      • Richard Saunders 13 days ago
        The truth is that everything men complain about women is the fault of men.
        It is never their fault. Men liberated women in the first place.
        Men allowed women to have an identity outside the family.
        It used to be women were passed from father to husband. Outside that arrangement, a woman was either a prostitute or in service to religion.
        That was her life.
        Today's men are too weak to put the genie back in the bottle.
        Hell, men are too weak to argue with a woman much less be head of a household pater familia style.
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          • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ > Richard Saunders 13 days ago
            agree 100%. You can't blame women for acting like women. But you can blame men for NOT acting like men.
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            • Señor Sazón > Richard Saunders 13 days ago
              The average man is too weak financially to put that genie back in the bottle.
              The reality is that it is nearly impossible today to raise a family on a single income in most major US metropolitan areas, many times even if that income is in the 6 digits. If are doing it, you're probably just scraping by.
              Granted, if the problem was nipped in the bud, we might not be in this predicimant today. But the real question is, what now?
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                • Maldek > Señor Sazón 13 days ago
                  "question is, what now?" That is simple. Fix your mind.
                  Poor people who know how hunger feels, can afford a family of 5+ children.
                  So. Nearly impossible with say 50K/year? No it is not. BUT you may not be able to have a nice home, vacation, nice car, nice cloths, latest iphone24, two flat screens and and and.
                  You may have to make a choice.
                  A more frugal life OR a big family.
                  People today often chose the selfish pleasure over the long term happiness. Big goverment helps them doing this. They dont have to worry about old age (thats what kids are for in 4th world countries), goverment will take care of them. So they consume. And consume more. Get more and more empty inside. More and more crazy. Weaker each passing year.
                  He who lives today and does not care about the future, has no future.
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                    • BetterDeadThanRed ✓ᴵⁿᑫᵘᶦˢᶦᵗᵒʳ > Maldek 12 days ago
                      While I would not mention the extreme case of 5 children under welfare, it is true that a couple of iPhones less and a couple of international trips less could make for an extra child 5 years earlier.
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                        • Señor Sazón > Maldek 12 days ago
                          I get what you are saying, although your example was a bit extreme. Family values over bullshit consumer trinkets for sure, but where I am living currently 50,000 for a family of 4 or 5 would be dirt poverty or government assistance zone.
                          The sad thing is he quality of life has been decreasing steadily for decades now, despite our shiny new toys and distractions. People, especially young people are really feeling the squeeze. So to refine my question what can we as individual people do to help ourselves get back to a place where a man can confidently say he will be the sole provider and know his family will be ok?
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                            • JJ Cale > Señor Sazón 12 days ago
                              yes, and it's not only $$$ and income, it's the complete loss of extended family because selfish babyboomers rather retire to go play golf and swan about on sailboats than be there to support their children and grandchildren.
                              the real homemaker is the grandmother who is there to lead the mother and take care of the children when the mother is tired. these days the older generation are just living zombies that do nothing productive whatsoever.
                              mandatory extermination for those over 60 with no productive family life - and watch what happens as the younger generations become supported in the raising of their children.
                              It's a fallacy to tie a woman into being a mother and home maker and that's that... women are social animals and they need direction, leadership and other women around (preferably family) to help them in that. put 3-4 female family members in the kitchen or with a few kids to take care of and watch what happens. heaven on earth.
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                                • log > JJ Cale 12 days ago
                                  I really enjoy this site and I am probably not supposed to since I am female, but it's a relief to see that there are still plenty of men that are not brainwashed into hating their masculinity or rolling over and giving up beImg men. There are plenty of women like me too, for whom raising their kids and keeping the home are their primary concern. I did not become a housewife because I had no other options, I have a degree and had a successful career in professional football management. My husband and I didn't want to leave our kids to be raised by others, so I stayed home, we made do with less money, we didn't have a foreign holiday for 5 years and when we did the little ones were no more impressed with a sunny beach in France than one in the UK....sand is sand to kids! Some of my friends do work part time to help with family finances and to share a little of the financial pressure of our husbands. 75% of my friends are happily married, to their original partners. I'm not that old my kids have just started high school. I live in the UK in the countryside so maybe that is why? The U.K. is regarded as the weak link in Europe because we have the highest percentage of stay home mothers in Europe and are so 'backward'. No wonder we voted to leave the EU. ( something I campaigned heavily for- Brexit was our Trump! ). Even convinced my husband to vote leave.
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                                    • Jim2x > log 10 days ago
                                      Good to hear. A man can excel much more in his career with a good woman taking care of the home and family. This is a win/win/win -- you, him, and your children.
                                      Better than 2 worker bees spread too thin and directionless.
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                                        • log > Jim2x 10 days ago
                                          Absolutely when I gave up work my husband and I were earning the same, since then he has been able to concentrate more on his career and is now on his third directorship and really at the height of his profession. That would not be possible if he had to fetch kids from nursery or stay home with them when they are ill. Nothing comes for free. I lost a great deal of personal status in giving up my work, nobody respects a housewife, but I also haven't had the stress that those high pressure jobs bring and my husband has borne the stress of providing financially. We both play our part in making our family work. My kids had a lovely childhood which they acknowledge and really they don't want to grow up! Life at home with mum was too good. They are in secondary school now so I have returned to part time work to help ease the financial strain but of course my career is dead after so many years out of the market and my earning potential is not what it was, so I don't earn a great deal and nothing compared to my husband.
                                          I don't mind, but for previous generations this was the time when many men left the first wife for a younger model and the first wife having given up her career for childcare was left with low paying work and a very impoverished life. I think the more punitive divorce settlements came about as a result, but have now gone too far in women's direction particularly with access to kids and this is making marriage unattractive to men today. It's complicated, we all want our cake and to eat it!
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                                        • RedPillFemale > JJ Cale 12 days ago
                                          absolutely agree with you on the role of grandparents, particularly grandmothers. i'd say the absence of hands-on grandparents is largely due to the delaying of childbirth. with women waiting til 35-40 to have kids the grandmas are around 65-80 when their grandchildren are born and even if they wanted to be heavily involved its much harder at that age.
                                          i had my daughter at 24 and my mom had me at 30, so she became a
                                          grandma at 54 and is extremely involved in her life. i unfortunately have to work 24 hr/week during which my mom nannies and takes my daughter to the playground, playgroups, errands, walks, etc. She also helps out when im feeling sick or just exhausted. idk what my boyfriend and i would do without her! grandpa is also always happy to play with her, feed her etc.
                                          its really sad to me that with these delays in childbirth grandparents & grandchildren are missing out on valuable relationships :(
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                                          • Maldek > Señor Sazón 12 days ago
                                            dirt poverty is relative - read again what i wrote above. With 50 000/year nobody will starve in the US/EU.
                                            That said. You can become a good earner in your home country. In the US thats maybe 70 000+/year.
                                            You could move to a cheaper country with less taxes/goverment and earn your money online in EU/US while living comfortably with 30 000 $/year.
                                            There are MANY options. The main problem is mental. In our time, money is not the problem. Your expectations are.
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                                        • HisHumbleDarling > Señor Sazón 10 days ago
                                          That's why it makes more sense to live outside of major metropolitan areas. Decent women are extremely difficult to find in cities anyway.
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                                            • Ender > HisHumbleDarling 7 days ago
                                              Yeah, one year property tax in your average progressive metro...covers roughly thirty years tax where I'm at.
                                              The difference is insane. The standard of living is higher for far less money. They have everything backward upside down. I'm still astounded how bad they grift in the cities.
                                              Funny to ask people in the city the trick question of " how do you get your drivers licence renewed." They go show up on X day a few hours before open at location that's not as bad, bring 123456 random documents just to be sure, be ready for at least three hours if goes smooth...probably can take all day....might have to go back if blah blah blah.....then in a few weeks new licence should show up in mail, if not blah blah blah. LMFAO trick question, go to court house whenever in and out in 15 minutes, get offered coffee, they will make copies and secretary type tasks, are polite and tell you YOU have paid for their service.
                                              Fucking city :P
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                                          • michaelmobius1 > Richard Saunders 13 days ago
                                            Psychologically it is advantageous to take on board as much responsibility as you can handle, but it isn't just about 'it's women's fault versus it's men's fault' - those aren't the only two factors. We live in a massively socially engineered society and the people who are doing that don't necessarily identify primarily as men or women (although in the case of feminists they may do). It is necessary to be honest about personal faults and failing, including perhaps as a gender and as members of a gender, but there's a hell of lot more going on that.
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                                              • Richard Saunders > michaelmobius1 13 days ago
                                                Socially engineered society by who?
                                                Men engineered this society.
                                                Women didn't create this society
                                                Everything you see about you is a result of men doing something or not doing something.
                                                We still control all the apparatuses of economic, social, and legal power.
                                                Men could control women also but they have been pussified.
                                                This is why I refuse to believe in the notion that men are victims.
                                                Men are victims of themselves, their own laziness and lack of courage.
                                                In many ways, men have become just like women. They love to do nothing except complain and then think somebody other than themselves should hop hop and jump to their feet and things will be grand.
                                                We don't live in the British Raj surrounded by brown servants.
                                                We have to be our own servants.
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                                                  • michaelmobius1 > Richard Saunders 13 days ago
                                                    I've already acknowledged that psychologically the attitude you suggest is healthy i.e. we take as much responsibility as we can for achieving the results that we want, and - presumably as you suggest - hold each other responsible for failures in that respect or behaviour that is enabling of general pussification.
                                                    Except you seem to be saying more than that. You are not only advocating a psychology of self-sufficiency, you are saying we're responsible for everything that has happened to our culture and politics. I suspect you know full well that this site frequently argues that there are powerful elite forces working against masculinity, and that they have the money and influence, in terms of politicians on their payroll, media outlets in their pocket etc to make sure their will has far more effect than 'ours'. The question is why do you want enormous social pressures to be seen as the exclusive responsibility of individual men. What you describe more or less as self-sufficiency could equally be described as self-blame. The proverb (i forget who the author is) goes that we should change what we can change, and accept what we cannot, but you are arguing that we are men, and should regard ourselves as superheroes capable of going up alone against everyone and everything. I would trust your argument more if there was some nuance, if you acknowledged the massive historical forces at work over the last century which have shaped the world we now live in, but no, you're trying to describe any acknowledgement of our own human limitations as 'embracing victimhood like feminists'. I would suggest you are flattering in order to mislead. If I am misinterpreting: my bad. But I suspect you're just trying to redirect responsibility away from social forces onto the backs of individual men.
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                                                      • dudester4 > michaelmobius1 10 days ago
                                                        I agree; it's a "locus of control" issue to think men are completely responsible for welfare entitlement mentality, 3rd wave feminism, changes in technology impacting gender roles in the workplace, etc. What bothers me is that religions tend to get on the 'hate the male' bandwagon too, as if the decline of the nuclear family is also men's fault.
                                                        By the way the quote I think you referenced is the Serenity Prayer: "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference." by Reinhold Niebuhr.
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                                                          • michaelmobius1 > dudester4 10 days ago
                                                            yes, that's the one. Didn't know where it was from, but it seems pretty sensible to me.
                                                            Re. locus of control, that's probably a very good way of looking at the issue. It's healthy to identify oneself as the locus of control in most situations as there is nearly always something we can do to make things better, improve our lives i.e. take control of a situation. The limit here is ensuring we stay reality oriented about constraints - a man can be "free" subsisting in a prison cell if its a question of mental attitude / resilience, yet the bars of the cell are not imaginary. It's not wrong to point out that when we focus on the 'bars of the cell' rather than the freedom we have to determine how to respond to the situation we find ourselves in then there is a real danger of learned helplessness, and victimhood may follow from that
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                                                            • Richard Saunders > michaelmobius1 13 days ago
                                                              OK, very good, we agree on the first paragraph. Just to get men to acknowledge that is a challenge.
                                                              The second paragraph is where it all stops.
                                                              Yes, we men are responsible for the culture and the politics. 50 years ago, every single institution in this country that white men created and founded by scratch was dominated and controlled by white men. That is an indisputable fact.
                                                              Those numbers have changed but believe it or not, we still overwhelmingly dominate politics, management, business, law enforcement, the military, public bureaucracies, and law. Our wealth as a group is far greater than anything anybody on Earth can imagine.
                                                              I want to put something in perspective for you: Despite their problems, all the black people in the US have more wealth than all of the black people on Africa combined.
                                                              Now I want you to imagine the collective wealth of white gentile men in the US. Tell me who even comes close to that type of wealth? That's right, nobody. Nobody on Earth comes close.
                                                              Towards the end, you are complaining about these dark forces out to get you.
                                                              What dark forces are controlling your mind and your body or the minds and bodies of white gentile men?
                                                              Nobody is controlling you. You just refuse to exercise your massive amount of real power because you are afraid and you are a coward.
                                                              It is the exact same situation with men and women. Men have all the power. They just refuse to say no. It isn't somebody else's fault that you refuse to say no to people who aren't acting in your best interests.
                                                              All these social forces that you see as a boogey monster could be a dead boogey monster if people of your ilk wanted their own institutions and culture back.
                                                              This notion that white gentile men are powerless is a joke.
                                                              White gentile man gave black men the right to vote and their civil rights.
                                                              White gentile men gave women the right to vote and their civil rights.
                                                              White gentile men built this country from absolutely nothing but natural resources and you are crying victim?
                                                              Not only did white gentile men build all the political apparatuses of the country but all the financial, economic, educational, and legal institutions from nothing and did it within 240 years. That is an achievement of miraculous proportions.
                                                              You are arguing that the master has no power over his own creation. I think that is absurd.
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                                                                • michaelmobius1 > Richard Saunders 13 days ago
                                                                  I'm not arguing that at all. We both agree - at least in part - on what a health psychological attitude is, namely one that encourages responsibility, including responsibility for changing your world. You are basically advancing the idea that the only thing that matters here is the mindset of individual men. You are focusing on a single factor as a universal panacea: basically, if all (white) men (I'll ignore the 'white' from now on as I'm not white) got their shit together everything nasty would go away, because everything nasty would be sorted out.
                                                                  OK, self-actualisation is better than masturbating and crying. I get that. But then you insist that there are no other factors of any significance involved. The whole of the twentieth century didn't happen. There was no bolshevik revolution in russia, powered by marxist dogma that spread like a virus, or if there was it was all the fault of the men in russia who didn't step up when they needed to step up, or the white russians who didn't fight hard enough because they were pussies when they needed to fight really hard and manly.
                                                                  To argue such a thing of course would be absurd. The bolsheviks took russia not because russian men were weak, but because they were financed, they had spent years planning, and plotting and theorising.
                                                                  Ok, we may not face quite such a threat today. But we have faced a massive ideological assault that has sought to shift the blame for everything on men (or white men if you prefer) and has had the backing of vast amounts of money (those white men - they're so rich, yet they want to blame themselves as a class for everything don't they), not to mention support from media, government, academia and pretty much every other institution you could think of.
                                                                  But none of that exists for you. And that's the key point here. You acknowledge nothing of the assault on masculinity; you acknowledge none of the political movements and forces that this site has considered over the years. For you everything is : "get your shit together". Because men on 20k a year are just as powerful to change the world as men on 20 million.
                                                                  Great pep talk, and probably the right message on the whole, but for the rest you seem to have deliberately induced tunnel vision
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                                                                    • jonny > michaelmobius1 12 days ago
                                                                      You acknowledge nothing of the assault on masculinity; you acknowledge none of the political movements and forces
                                                                      If he'd been born 150 years ago, he'd be telling black men born into slavery to "get your shit together", and that it's their fault they were born into captivity.
                                                                      The truth about slavery is that black slaves were conditioned by their mothers to believe they were meant to be slaves. It's funny, how every black slave loved his mother.
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                                                                        • Richard Saunders > michaelmobius1 13 days ago
                                                                          Dude, I never said anything about individual men. Individual men can have total sovereignty over their own households, bodies and minds.
                                                                          No man is an island unto himself.
                                                                          Since you are not white, let us include all men, but that means the size of our social class is even more massive, more powerful and more wealthy.
                                                                          As a class, men have tremendous amounts of power and control over every institution that exists not only in the US, but most places around the world with a handful exceptions in Scandinavia.
                                                                          The Comintern didn't stop men from accumulating massive amounts of capital and wealth over the last 100 years.
                                                                          You still refuse to say who these dark forces are who are controlling men's lives.
                                                                          Is it George Soros? Does he really control your life and the minds of billions of men? Really? You really believe that?
                                                                          What I find striking about your argument is that you have no evidence that any small group of wealthy people has control over the minds and bodies of billions of men.
                                                                          Who are they and what have they done to you to make you weak and powerless?
                                                                          You cry about a massive ideological assault when the entire world is heading in a radically right-wing direction.
                                                                          All the forces in the world combined couldn't prevent Donald Trump from being president despite spending only a fraction of the money and not having any institutional or cultural power.
                                                                          One man defeated the entire world.
                                                                          Yet you think men as a class can't defeat your dark forces when they couldn't even defeat Donald Trump.
                                                                          This is why I am so adamantly opposed to your victim mentality.
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                                                                            • michaelmobius1 > Richard Saunders 13 days ago
                                                                              byou never said anything about individual men, so you are preaching to all men as a class? Indeed you reason that men "as a class" can defeat the forces of darkness (or just one man, just one Donald Trump)
                                                                              i still find your arguments suspiciously manipulative, as though you're preaching one thing to move us away from a particular line of reasoning: "it's you not the elites. The elites have no power unless you give it to them"
                                                                              I've already conceded the psychological point there and agree with it, but the men as a class argument is dubious. Men are not a class, we are individuals, who may or may not act with cohesion, or solidarity. But our interests divide as much as they cohere, and indeed the whole idea of class is redolent of the whole divide and conquer class struggle that has characterise the marxist or quasi marxist last century. One of the insights of the manosphere is that treating men as a class as feminists do, as marxists do, usually in order to identify them as a singular oppressive force in society, actually misses this crucial factor: men compete with each other at a fundamental level for resources. We may relating here in solidarity, and working out strategies of play, but out there in the real world things are vicious, and they get more vicious the higher up you go. The elite man stay at the top of the pile by screwing the competition, and that includes all the would be rivals. There is no class solidarity amongst men as a whole, because that's not how it works. So you need to get let go with the whole marxist analysis.
                                                                              But of course, you're also arguing 'the great man theory' too: Donald Trump took on the forces of darkness (which by implication don't actually exist except as a psychological phantom of the mind?) and conquered the world.
                                                                              Sure, we all love the Donald, but if you think he did that against the whole world, then you're being pretty naive, although its true you're in good company. Whatever Trump is he is part of the elite, and he had a good part of the elite behind him, including it seems a great deal of the money men and it seems the markets.
                                                                              Now those markets and those money men, the elites, really do matter. They make decisions that effect the little guy, and which people on the ground have precious little influence over. Only in India recently the banks have started a demonetisation programme to move the country to a cashless economy. The little guy on the ground focusing on a positive mental attitude and strong sense of his own agency would have been royally fucked, because the elites and the bankers there have fucked over all the little guys. The correct approach there is to focus on the criminal activity of the politicians and the banks. Sure there's only so much you may be able to do about that, but pretending that individual agency is going to solve a structural issue or a political problem is pretty dumb in my book
                                                                              Maybe the world is heading in a 'radically right-wing direction' or maybe dissent is simply being managed. You downplay the role of progressiveness and marxism, and all the themes this site has expatiated on. I find that telling
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                                                                                • Gadfly156 > michaelmobius1 8 days ago
                                                                                  Ahem... in fact, the "elites" only have whatever power you attribute and give to them. Pretty much everything works that way. They may have hosed "the system," but they can't hose YOU unless you let them.
                                                                                  I think I see what is going on here. Richard is offering the only viable exit ramp from this mess and you, michaelmobius, are tripping because you keep hearing the word "entrance" instead of exit. So instead of hearing instructions for where to exit this proverbial highway to destruction, you're hearing blame for where we entered it.
                                                                                  If you're not over 80, it's highly unlikely you were any part of the "men back then" at whose doorstep the indictment belongs. Hell you'd probably have to be over 100 at this point to qualify for much of that. You'd have to have been an adult during the first half of the 20th century.
                                                                                  I dealt with a similar dilemma in my life regarding issues of personal responsibility vs. victim mentality. And all because when people were saying "here's how to get out" I kept hearing it as "here's proof it's your fault you ever got stuck at all."
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                                                                                    • michaelmobius1 > Gadfly156 7 days ago
                                                                                      "the "elites" only have whatever power you attribute and give to them."
                                                                                      The commenter who spoke about locus of control issues got this pretty much right. If you're a passenger on a train there's no point pretending you're a driver, although it might make sense to apply for the train driver's job. Even then though you can only get to drive the train up and down the tracks, unless you're planning on shaking up the whole system somehow
                                                                                      Richard's concern that we are trying to wrestle the baton off the feminists in a race to victimhood is understandable except part of his purpose does seem to be to direct us away from politics. 'Fraid the politics matters
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                                                                                        • Gadfly156 > michaelmobius1 7 days ago
                                                                                          I get that. I guess what I'm trying to say is that at some point people have to realize, the driver is up in his seat and he's gonna do what he's gonna do. You're a passenger, so you still have many choices -- up to and including jumping off the train the next time it slows down--or gathering a few other passengers to jump the damn driver in his cabin and take over the wheel yourselves.
                                                                                          Outside those two extremes there are also many choices about what conversations you have with other passengers and what you all do in your passenger lives while the train is moving.
                                                                                          My point is not to argue, but to point out that while the locus of control matters, again, it only matters for tracing the present effect back to the responsible cause. When it comes to what people do from here on out, if the only choice they see is to accept that they are stuck with this because they are not the driver, then nothing changes -- in which case they become just as culpable as he is.
                                                                                          And at that point, we've come full circle and established the veracity of Richard's charge.
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                                                                                            • michaelmobius1 > Gadfly156 7 days ago
                                                                                              well that's a bit more digestible, particularly the bit about "gathering a few other passengers to jump the damn driver in his cabin and take over...."......perhaps that's the healthiest option if it's available to you? Isn't that a description of human history and struggle after all?
                                                                                              But I still get the impression that Richard is trying to move us away from the 'extreme'; that he is trying to persuade us to be the train driver with regard to everything but the wider 'transport system'' with respect to which he is in fact asking us to be good passengers.
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                                                                                          • Richard Saunders > michaelmobius1 13 days ago
                                                                                            Manipulative? I am just stating the facts. The truth is not manipulative to anybody except the deluded.
                                                                                            You still have refused to tell me how as an American man my life is controlled by anybody outside the normal controls of the state and living in an advanced capitalist society, which means I have to live my life according to the law.
                                                                                            Within the bounds of the rule of law, explain how my life is limited in any way?
                                                                                            You still have refused to tell me how men have no power when they continue to control all the institutions of power. Not only control the institutions, but created them from scratch.
                                                                                            You talk in circles about elites, Marxists, and shadowy cabals without proving any evidence that they have control over our lives.
                                                                                            Who is stopping you from living your life?
                                                                                            What economic forces have ever prevented you from making money and taking care of yourself and your family?
                                                                                            If you make a statement, back it up with evidence. Name the names or you have no argument.
                                                                                            Also, I find it hilarious that you reject men as a class to resist the oppression that you say exists despite the fact that no average man can fight the system alone. That makes no sense. What are men supposed to do? Hold their hands on their dick all day and cry on the internet and do nothing. Is that your solution?
                                                                                            Lastly, I see Marxism and progressives as failed ideologies that I have no respect for.
                                                                                            Those ideologies have little power outside what the left-wing degenerates teach in the universities.
                                                                                            If any of that nonsense has any type of pull outside the universities is because people like you and your ilk refuse to challenge it.
                                                                                            You can't live in a world and cry victim and do nothing about it. That sounds unmanly to me.
                                                                                            I have no respect for whiny victims who cry about their oppression, especially men, since that makes them no different than the social justice warriors who hide in their safe spaces and scream at the walls about their oppression.
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                                                                                              • michaelmobius1 > Richard Saunders 12 days ago
                                                                                                "You still have refused to tell me how as an American man my life is controlled by anybody outside the normal controls of the state and living in an advanced capitalist society, which means I have to live my life according to the law.
                                                                                                Within the bounds of the rule of law, explain how my life is limited in any way?"
                                                                                                I haven't mentioned 'being controlled' in any way. That's you're terminology reflecting your assumptions (and presumably agenda). Likewise, I haven't said 'my life' or 'our lives' are "limited". You are arguing with yourself. What I've said is there have been powerful social movement, including social engineering movements that have affected society profoundly, and that you are desperate to downplay them in an attempt to flatter men into thinking that everything is on their shoulders. Again to reiterate, responsibility is good, but deceiving yourself about reality is not.
                                                                                                But then of course that's what in dispute. You want men to be a class, and to act as a class. I did not say men are oppressed - you are deliberately I imagine twisting words. I am saying that class struggle exists because men are said by marxists and progressives to do the oppressing (of others) as a class. You are the one pushing the class activism. You are the one trying to make out that my position is that men are oppressed, when I have said nothing of the sort. Again I am identifying the forces that stand against us, which have sought to constrain us, and which you seem desperate to misidentify, mis-characterise or pretend does not exist.
                                                                                                "What economic forces have ever prevented you from making money and taking care of yourself and your family?"
                                                                                                I didn't suggest anything of the sort. I did however refer to a way in which central planners, at least in India, but given the central banking systems international nature, probably at a global level are attacking the ability of individuals to function independently of the state and central banking structures. You really do seem a stranger to this site, not to mention hostile to its ideas, since elites, marxists and shadowy cabals are our bread butter, but again you insist that we think (or at least I think) that they have control over our lives, which is something that is never alleged. Identifying powerful negative forces is part of taking control of your life, just as King Solomon gained power over demons by naming them. If they cannot be named, they cannot be controlled.
                                                                                                And again 'victims'....'unmanly'.... you deny being manipulative. Your use of language is as manipulative as it gets. Just the cheap trick of using negative words to direct us in the opposite direction.
                                                                                                You are just trying to direct us away from politics you don't like, using sneaky manipulative arguments
                                                                                                " I see Marxism and progressives as failed ideologies that I have no respect for."
                                                                                                Yeah, the world went from black to white, because Trump won an election.
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                                                                                                  • Officer > michaelmobius1 12 days ago
                                                                                                    Dude, who are you? Your arguments are about the sharpest ive ever seen. The way you exposed and bodied that jew. You took his subtle agenda and magnified it for us goyim to see. AF
                                                                                                    My guess is that you are some kind of dissident like Bezmenov. However, like you said yourself - name the enemy.
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                                                                                                      • michaelmobius1 > Officer 12 days ago
                                                                                                        There's no reason to assume he's jewish or any other ethnicity/religion
                                                                                                        The issue here is that he appears to be directing us away from the politics / social engineering that has led us to this juncture. The point about naming follows on from that: if we encounter dressed up marxism or some idea masquerading as something it is not then we need to be able to identify it, that's all. This is about duplicitous elite politics vs democracy and nothing else
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                                                                                                  • Ravi Macho > Richard Saunders 11 days ago
                                                                                                    "All the forces in the world combined couldn't prevent Donald Trump
                                                                                                    from being president despite spending only a fraction of the money and
                                                                                                    not having any institutional or cultural power.
                                                                                                    One man defeated the entire world."
                                                                                                    Donald Trump WON the elections because ALL MEN in this Country, regardless of the Race, Religion, Color supported & voted for Trump.
                                                                                                    I supported Trump because I am fed up of the FemiCunts humiliating, insulting, belittling, abusing & assaulting MEN & MASCULINITY.
                                                                                                    I supported Trump because I am fed up of the Pussies blaming MEN of "objectifying" them and yet they walk bare chested, do slut-walks, behave as whores & hookers, deliberately & desperately wear skimpy/revealing clothes.
                                                                                                    I supported Trump because the Pussies demand chivalry & entitlement, play victim card but shamelessly imitate MEN & MASCULINITY.
                                                                                                    I supported Trump because of the Societal & Legal double standards "favoring" one specific gender.
                                                                                                    I supported Trump because the Democratic Party Candidate keeps on shouting "He doesn't talk about women, He doesn't respect women", as if that <<whatever>> "talks about MEN", as if that <<whatever>> "respects MEN".
                                                                                                    It's actually:
                                                                                                    One man (with the help of other real MEN) defeated the entire world.
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                                                                                                      • JoseCuervo > Richard Saunders 12 days ago
                                                                                                        May I humbly submit that the 'dark forces' are the wealthy LGBT elites? Think back to that Obergefell Amicus Curiae Brief that 88 high-powered businesses got behind. Think about who runs Apple and Chipotle. Think about the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), which is basically a cabal of wealthy businessmen who help usher in new legislation. Do you think the elites stopped at influencing nickel-and-dime local legislations? Nope, they went big. That's why you've got politicians checking their twitter feeds every hour on the hour, waiting for their marching orders from Hollywood. The ultra-liberals have amassed nearly all the wealth, and while straight, right-thinking men are partially to blame for letting these crooks sneak in and grab up a bulk of the wealth, the fact of the matter is that managing a wife, kids, and career is a full time job and a half. While we were struggling to pay mortgages, plan family vacations, and buy a new car for the missus, you had a bunch of slime-bags who had no dependents (which is why this whole "right to adopt" business is just a bunch of baloney), no responsibilities, and no compunction about sleeping/blackmailing their way to the top spending every waking hour scheming and plotting. And now, here we are.
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                                                                                                      • jonny > Richard Saunders 12 days ago
                                                                                                        What dark forces are controlling your mind and your body or the minds and bodies of white gentile men?
                                                                                                        Their mothers' lies are in control. We are all the product of our mothers' lies and abuses (primarily shaming, but also violence).
                                                                                                        You are arguing that the master has no power over his own creation.
                                                                                                        That is what you are arguing, oblivious to the reality in which you were created by your mother. I think that is absurd.
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