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[–]GraphicNoveltywell rounded man of the people.[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (76子コメント)

I set the suggested sort to "by controversial" because we all know we just want to read the spicy contrarian opinions.

Edit: hijacking my own stickied comment because i'm a fascist mod who can put their own opinion at the top of the thread

For those who are posting responses along the lines of "well that's just your opinion, man". Almost anything is subject to the perception of the individual, but at the same time, those subjectivities exist within a larger cultural context. When someone is making a taste-based judgement or proscription, it's always in reference to these socially determined value hierarchies in which the individual is enmeshed. Following advice like the OP's allows you to navigate the sometimes implicit, sometimes explicit set of expectations that, while enmeshed in power relations relating to sexuality, gender, class, and race, they're no less a part of the social reality in which a vast majority of reddit users operate.

Point being, beauty and ugliness are socially determined, and the implicit argument is that if you conform to certain standards of beauty you'll accrue social capital that presumably you'd be able to leverage into various desireable social outcomes: interest from the opposite (or same) sex, increased respect from your peer group, conveyance of an air of professionalism etc. In general, when you're dressed "well" (taking into account the social context that determines "dressing well"), people treat you nicer, and being treated nice is nice!*

That being said, there's a pretty wide range of "acceptable" styles that will allow you to communicate well dressed-ness (this isn't North Korea), and finding a set of clothing that both conforms your particular physiological, lifestyle, and aesthetic preferences but also conforms to these hierarchies of tastes (also known as "developing personal style") is an enjoyable project for many users on the sub (given that many of the contrarians are frequent posters of such subs as /r/DotA2 and /r/GlobalOffensive, i'm not sure they have the standing to critique the way users of /r/malefashionadvice spend their time and money)

As an addendum, it's fine and dandy (ha!) to critique these power relations through clothing choices (see any number avant garde designers.), but it's intellectually dishonest to pretend that you're justifying your cargo shorts on the basis of deconstructing a heteronormative, bourgeois value system. Generally, when one's lack of fluency with the implicit value hierarchy of clothing is exposed, most people attempt to save face by referencing a different set of value hierarchies in which they can reassert their own status (performative masculinity through prioritizing utility is the biggest go to, which is unsurprising, particularly because fashion has historically been the purview of women and gay men)

*The importance of navigating social expectations of appearance beyond a very basic level is a lesson that most women are taught from an early age, and the freedom to "not give a shit what you look like" is something men take for granted--this idea is part of the greater concept known as "male privilege."

[–]NIU_1087 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (79子コメント)

Until I saw this pop up on r/all I had totally forgotten why I unsubscribed from here. Thanks for the reminder!

[–]Snake5872 362 ポイント363 ポイント  (49子コメント)

Why? because you don't like being told cargo shorts look bad?

Or did something else on the list trigger you?

[–]CGained 172 ポイント173 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Probably because this sub is full of assholes, just look at this comment section

[–]hachiko007 184 ポイント185 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Not really. The OP's advice is solid and backed by pretty much everyone that knows proper fashion. Some people are just butt-hurt because they are special little daises and can't be told they are wrong.

[–]Omen_20 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Fashion isn't a science where it can be known. It's subjective art that has trends like anything else. I agree with most everything on the list, but this sub does have an attitude problem.

[–]Zarqu0n 131 ポイント132 ポイント  (49子コメント)

This post reeks of elitism and condescension !!

[–]Ferdiguy13 110 ポイント111 ポイント  (14子コメント)

That's an easy excuse for justifying your sloppy look.

[–]srpokemon 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (8子コメント)

this is the shittiest post i've seen on mfa ever, its like a list of 11 fashion memes turned into a "tip post"

[–]breakingbroken 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Some of it, while true, is so basic that I don't think anyone on this sub needed it. And the rest of it is just this dudes opinion. Don't know why you're getting downvoted, this post was trash.

[–]nonmillenial -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You must be that tool who subscribes to all the above styles

[–]thefragpotato 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree, but then again, a lot on this sub does that. I'm mostly just here for inspiration. The title of this post rustled my jimmies

[–]awcc45 77 ポイント78 ポイント  (87子コメント)

Fuck you, I'll wear long loose cargo shorts anytime I please

[–]st_gulik 107 ポイント108 ポイント  (131子コメント)

I feel like you're arguing for a single look here, a very slim skinny frame look.

I have shoulders wider than most two guys put together and wide feet. I can't get my foot into chisel toe shoes or pointed toe shoes unless they're literally three sizes too big, or more, for my foot.

Fuck that noise.

EDIT: Because so many people asked I have very wide feet like over 3E.

[–]bertstarmey -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, I had to wear pointed shoes for a wedding and my feet were killing me. I've tried several times to wear those shoes since and I just can't do it. I've got big feet. I'm a size 12 AND my feet are wide.

His number 2 screenshot is literally what I wear to work, so that's kind of hilarious, but oh well.

[–]pinky0926[S] 280 ポイント281 ポイント  (64子コメント)

I'm really not, and if it came to that I would absolutely advocate that broader, more muscular or just plain fatter men should opt for more regular to looser fits. For example, I couldn't imagine The Rock wearing skinny, he would just look ridiculous.

Again though, here's a very big man with great style, and you will never see him wearing square toed shoes. Examples:

Edit: Somehow a picture of david beckham got in there, sorry.

[–]MTeson -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (15子コメント)

The Rock is a multi-millionnaire and most of his clothes are tailored specifically to him. It's an illusion that other folks who are not multi-millionnaires do not have access to.

[–]MrSoprano 522 ポイント523 ポイント  (41子コメント)

I don't believe you.

A man's foot will fit into a rounded-toe shoe regardless of its width provided the shoe's width is appropriate.

If an NFL lineman can wear a simple cap-toe oxford, chances are you can too. Maybe you just prefer ugly square-toes.

[–]ThirdProjectJuno 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (39子コメント)

Glad you qualified this with Probably because I could argue half of these.

2: The definitive example of function over form. Ignoring the rules about shorts (No jorts, no cargos, no kapris, no khakis, no shorts apparently?), If you carry your wallet, keys, phone and literally anything else, most shorts can't accommodate you. They're defended not by people who don't care about how they look, but by people who choose them specifically because of the versatile utility they provide. Nobody wants to wear a backpack everywhere for a leatherman, cigarettes, lighter and a shopping list. They're fanny packs 20 years late.

3: I've seen no shortage of people make this look good. YRMV

4: I am white and pale and a jeweler and will wear jewelry.

6: All hats have more character than me. Do I break the rule or do I never wear a hat again?

Edit: Holy fuck you guys. I'm not saying cargo shorts look good. I literally compared them to Fanny Packs. I'm saying people defend them because of their utility. I don't like or wear cargo shorts, but I'm capable of entertaining an idea I don't agree with. I could list 10 things wrong with Cargo shorts and 10 things wrong with chinos. Different strokes for different folks.

[–]rip-l-train -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

don't smoke you idiot jesus fuck how do people still smoke

and you probably don't need a fucking knife

[–]Chicxulub_Sky_Diver -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Okay, I disagree with a few things on this list. Not all, but a few.

What I want to say is that the clothes people wear aren't always so terrible and wrong. A person's clothing helps to determine their Tribe.

If I have on something another person thinks is a Fashion Faux pax then that's good for both of us. I am not somebody they want to know and I'm more than fine with that.

  • 1. Square-toed dress shoes.

The shoes in the example are gross! If they all looked like this, I would agree.

  • 2. Loose fit, long cargo shorts.

Shorts are a problem item. Almost no shoe works with them and forget about socks. Really baggy, frumpy anything is bad, so yes, I agree with this.

  • 3. A vest/waistcoat with no jacket.

In these examples, the men look like the mullet of clothes, business up top/party down below and that just screams confusion.

I would wear a vest with jeans but not buttoned up and not with a tie. If people don't like it, that's good. I'm not their type of person. I prefer personal, individual style over fashion any day. Let everybody else parade around in the it look of the moment.

  • 4. Gold jewelry if you're white and on the paler side.

I have noticed how different skin colors complement or enhance silver vs. gold jewelry.

  • 5. Brown shoes with black suit pants, or brown belts with black shoes...

Yep.

  • 6. Wearing hats with more character than yourself.

I can applaud anybody who at least TRIES to get away from those damn ball caps! With a few exceptions being knits caps all year round and those cheap, short brim fedoras you see at street fairs and festivals.

  • 7. Polo shirts as a "catch-all" for all your formal and casual needs.

I'm too fat to wear them now, but I like polo shirts and really wish that I could wear them, not as formal wear but Ido think they have a place. In addition to being too fat to wear t-shirts, they look too lazy and sloppy to me. A polo shirt is a good step down from a full button shirt.

  • 8. Wearing a crewneck undershirt so that the crewneck is visible under your dress shirt.

I don't really have strong feelings about this. I usually wear a necklace that rests in the area where an undershirt crew neck would show, so I don't wear them because it would detract from the look that I'm going for.

  • 9. Black shirt and red tie.
  • 10. Matching your tie to your pocket square exactly.

My current life doesn't warrant suits and ties. I wish I could wear a jacket with a pocket square sometimes and I think I would look great in a suit, but my life just isn't there.

  • 11. Thin rectangular frameless glasses.

I like these. My prescription is too imbalanced to have these, but I would like to reduce the look of some plastic appliance sitting on my face and I'm not about to get my eyeballs cut up with a laser either.

[–]Greenerguns 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (45子コメント)

I think there is leeway with the undershirt under an OCBD. Obviously it's not for everyone, but for a certain demographic it works. Picture an older man, maybe around 50. Brooks brothers button down, tucked in, sleeves rolled twice, khakis, leather moccasins. The undershirt fits in that image for whatever reason. Not a dirty or sloppy look, but well put together and crisp.

[–]SovietK 104 ポイント105 ポイント  (19子コメント)

There is no scenario where an undershirt improves a look. Can you get away with it? Sure.. I mean.. At the end of the day, nobody gives a shirt how you look. But you will always look better without an visible undershirt regardless of age, colour and style.

[–]BleakRef 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only a sith deals in absolutes. I will rock that look for the next week just to prove you wrong.

[–]eyjay 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (8子コメント)

"for whatever reason"

This is where I lost you. It tells me this is likely just some image you have in your mind that you are ok with, rather than something that makes "sense". I am not saying you are wrong - It's important to recognize why an outfit works, and not just say "well it feels like it works so it does". If you don't have an explanation as to why it is, then accept that, and attempt to learn a little more about it.

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    [–]CGained 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You can get away with anything in fashion these days as long as you make it seem cool or new, even if it looks horrible

    [–]serados 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    That outfit is put together with purpose and the pieces work cohesively. It's fine if you don't like it (I wouldn't wear it) but there's more thought put into pairing those sandals with those texture-rich woolen socks than some men have put into their clothing their entire lives.

    [–]naryn -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You're seriously defending that?

    But shitting on cargo shorts and undershirts?

    [–]fantasia_burrito 83 ポイント84 ポイント  (50子コメント)

    Good list but I'm still going to wear my summer staple... Baggy cargos, Nikes, and a tank. Suns out guns out dad mode engaged.

    [–]adultishgambino1 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (13子コメント)

    The polo thing couldnt be more true. Dudes wear that shit EVERYWHERE to act rich meanwhile they got 5$ in their pocket looking forward to a junior chicken meal for dinner

    [–]cartrman 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (12子コメント)

    What about long sleeve shirts under short sleeve shirts? I love those.

    [–]aperks 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (44子コメント)

    Why #8 is such a big deal? I see something like "no visible undershirts" on this subreddit a lot, but visible undershirts with dress shirts are extremely common and I don't see this dying out. Maybe it's a regional thing? I'm from the Midwest and it's pretty much normal here.

    And I know this is against what OP said, but since I'm used to the visible undershirt, that's what I wear with dress shirts (but not polos) because it just feels weird to me to not wear one, not just to stop my dress shirts from getting pit stains and keeping myself warm. I've grown up with that look, so it just looks neater to me. Picture 2 is what I'm talking about and I think that's fine, although no undershirt would certainly also work well.

    [–]firearmed 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm also from the midwest and I see the undershirt showing a lot. Personally, I think it looks stupid but I understand how some people don't care enough to purchase V-neck undershirts if they already have crew neck options. Like OP said, it's definitely a trend from the 90s that has persisted.

    [–]Amarsir 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I always considered it the male equivalent of "visible panty line".

    [–]SergioSF 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (54子コメント)

    Wearing a crew neck with the first button of a dress shirt off has been wrong the entire time? Is this new or something? Ive never head of it

    [–]GronVarg 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Pretty new to me as well, IMO it's perfectly fine. The sort of person who would care about such a small nitpick isn't the sort of person whose opinion of me I care about.

    [–]TurboFucked 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    But...nerds and accountants do that! So, now we need to do the opposite!

    Fashion is cyclical.

    [–]IamSeth 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Well, are you the frontman of a grunge band?

    [–]MrTizl 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (43子コメント)

    I like this guide for sure. I'm still somewhat new to fashion, but I don't see the big problem with showing your crew neck undershirt as described in #8. As long as it's clean and lays flat I don't think it's a bad thing.

    [–]theunnoanprojec -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I was gonna say too, the undershirt with the check sweater doesn't look bad at all

    [–]PenetratorHammer 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (12子コメント)

    Oooo you did me an anger with the glasses bit

    [–]Venom349 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    That's such a specific thing to nitpick too. Some people look really good in glasses without frames.

    [–]Dropzoffire 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    All this thread has done for me is make me self conscious about my closet and remind me of the rich kids who used to pick on me in school because we shopped at goodwill.

    I still shop at goodwill, just look at my closet!

    [–]turinturambar81 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Maybe you should consider why you're so triggered by this. Either you care and should put more thought into your wardrobe to give the impression you want going forward, or you don't and thus also should be better at keeping your emotions in check. Either answer is valid and an opportunity for self-improvement.

    [–]MisterMoosers 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (28子コメント)

    A lot of these are good. One thing i would add though is "drop crotch" pants. you don't look good, you look like you just shit yourself.

    [–]srpokemon 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (22子コメント)

    its a different style and subjective

    [–]TyrantRC -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    subjective

    nah I'm pretty sure that you would look like you shat yourself using these. I do agree however that they sometimes do look good.

    [–]onlycommentsY 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (18子コメント)

    MFA can't call anything modern/trending "ugly", it's "a different style and subjective"

    [–]Mad_Like_Mankey 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (49子コメント)

    I'll stick my neck out for the vest by itself without a jacket. It's about what you use as adds. A nice dress shirt legitimately makes the difference here. The pants help a lot too.

    The pictures you have there for representation are the worst.

    [–]Dragonai 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    I can see this one working on occasion as well. I distinctly remember the last photo from /u/lycose90's transformation album where he nails it (props again on that, dude!): http://imgur.com/a/0YtYb

    [–]Coatrackz 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Considering he fastened every button on both his suit jacket and waistcoat, and the fact his tie is a lighter colour than his shirt should tell you that he really isn't "nailing" it.

    That tie colour combo can work in under 1% of scenarios but because he's telling a story about him learning more about fashion, I doubt he's trying to break rules and push boundaries here, rather, trying to come closer to a universally accepted fashion standard to which he is still yet to reach because of his lack of fundamentals.

    The true disqualifier is the buttons, though. They are there to create an X-taper on your body through the jacket, double buttoning a two-button jacketruins the masculine shape the X achieves and turns it into a Y. For the waistcoat the style of not buttoning the bottom button came about in the Victorian era, but it evolved from a style centuries ago when all waistcoats were then designed so as not to fasten the bottom button. These two aren't slightly ambiguous fashion advice pops that the OP has offered, they're watertight rules that should never be broken.

    He's made a marked improvement from where he was but he still hasn't got the basics right.

    [–]kipz61 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I've long since accepted that I'll never be fashionable. I've encountered two kinds of pants in my life: ones that look stupid on me because they're insanely baggy, and ones that make make me wholly uninteresting because all I can think about is how uncomfortable I am and how chunky my thighs look compared to the rest of me.

    So I'll stick to cargo or athletic shorts. Oh well.

    [–]--geode 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Agree to all. Especially the cargo shorts. Don't get me started. For the love of all that is holy, STAHP it with the long shorts nonsense. It's so weak looking. Put on some shorts that are actually short, you look like a fussy nebbish who is afraid of their own balls.

    Wrt glasses: I have no-frames glasses for just reading and I've sort of been on the fence about them for a long time. The saving grace is that I have long shaggy metal-guy hair and a beard so there's no way I'm going to ever look like an accountant... If anything the glasses class me up a little (I have gotten compliments on them though that doesn't necessarily mean anything) That said I don't think I would buy them again. Glasses are freaking expensive though so am going to hang on to them for a while longer.

    [–]chatatwork 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (12子コメント)

    I wear lots of hats

    It's cold, I'm bald. I get a lot of compliments on them. But then again the thing I hate the most about male fashion is the sameness. Maybe because I had to wear school uniforms most of my life, I really hate looking like everyone else.

    I will end this rant by saying as with any guide, picks what works for you, and enjoy what you're wearing.

    [–]kale4reals -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    8 is one I disagree with. Im not trying to show off cleavage or chest hair and look like a creeper.

    [–]flerpityflerp -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    While I usually go undershirt-less, I feel that wearing a crewneck undershirt I'm in the winter is a comfy choice that looks good when kept casual. Especially if it's a different color that flows with the outfit. Just my two cents.

    [–]esobelle -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Funny. I find 1, 2, and 3 rather sexy on men. But then, I dig sys-admins.

    [–]oikoik1 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    This is hopefully helpful for the people who dress like someone with (or very well may have) autism and need to follow a set of rules to attempt to "fit in" to society. I don't mean this to be offensive to anyone, but I cannot see who else this helps unless you have the innate dress sense of someone on the spectrum.

    [–]12Mucinexes -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (14子コメント)

    I know they may not be fashionable, but I'm not willing to stop wearing my long cargo shorts during the summer because I don't like to wear any kind of shorts that go above the knees. Any recommendations on what kind of long shorts I should wear instead during the Summer?

    [–]shrike279 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I just wear whatevers comfortable. What's wrong with that?

    [–]COPCO2 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Thin, rimless glasses aren't just a sign of fashion, which is why I think you're expecting a fight about them. They're a conservative trope, with many Republican officials wearing them. Colin Powell, Mitchell McConnell, Sarah Palin, Donald Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush all not only wear thin, frame less glasses, but it's the one thing that doesn't change about them over time.

    This isn't a pro or a con, just an observation.

    And FYI, the crew neck undershirt under v-neck sweaters and dress shirts is the default look in Chicago. It's a simple day outfit with a sweater, and all business casual employees wear their dress shirts like that.

    I bet a v-neck undershirt worn to the office with an unbuttoned top button dress shirt would even stand out as a little risqué, so it's not likely to change any time soon.

    [–]Brownhops 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (12子コメント)

    1, 2, 7, 8 makes up 80% of what I usually wear. Jesus.

    [–]Ninjascubarex 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Same here, 7 and 8 is all I got really... what else are we supposed to wear?

    Edit: It'd be nice if there's was an alternative suggested for each

    [–]thestrandedmoose 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (12子コメント)

    I would agree with most of these, especially the cargo pants, BUT I have a pair of square toed dress shoes I rather like, because they are pointed to a tip: http://www.fromshoestosandals.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Men-Dress-Shoes-B00C84DDCS.jpg

    I'd also like to note while the brown/black combo tends to not work, you CAN do brown pants/belt with a black shirt: https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9aa0643b49b79404cc44456fe099d6b1-c?convert_to_webp=true

    Finally, I'd recommend adding Crocs, and sandals with socks to this list. It seems obvious but some people still don't seem to know

    [–]CubeActimel -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I appreciate the work that went into the list but still disagree. While someone who really doesn't have a clue about "fashion" might appreciate the list I would never look at some guide a random dude on the Internet wrote to decide what to wear or looks good. I like to dress nice and like to see other people that put thought into their outfit but the most interesting ones are maybe not according to a guide but looking good because the person can pull it off and make it look good. And there are still people that don't care about fashion. If someone wears cargo shorts or a french hat I really couldn't care less (but I know that this guide is not for those people but for the ones interested in fashion). What bothers me most about the list is the lack of alternatives. A dude with a cupboard filled with red ties and black shirts wouldn't have a clue what to wear now. And you can wear the coolest outfit in the world but if your face and body type are not as good too the people that would be bothered by your clothes most likely will be bothered by the rest of you too, so try finding something that works for you and not for some model etc.

    [–]Maybe_Im_Jesus -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The square toes I disagree with, they have their place. Everything else is spot on.

    [–]Dubzil 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I never had a problem with my square toe shoes but I'm no expert on fashion either. What other style would be recommended?

    [–]sheguedep 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (19子コメント)

    Never has a single item of clothing been so defiantly defended by men

    Real talk tho. I went into that paragraph thinking "i know what you're saying is true but I will not give up my cargo shorts"

    They're comfortable and they're useful. That's all a lot of men care about.

    But note, it's like OP says, one should only wear them in outdoor summer activities.

    [–]pinky0926[S] 91 ポイント92 ポイント  (15子コメント)

    Agreed, but I think if comfort and utility are all you care about, then you're probably in the wrong sub ;)

    [–]DrunkenArgonian -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    This sounds like a list of things to wear if you're a twig

    [–]thefx37 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Those square toed shoes remind me of pilgrims.

    [–]xathor -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I come to this subreddit to get ideas about things I like. When I wear things I like, they make me feel better.

    I couldn't possibly give two shits about what other people think about what I look like or what I am wearing...

    I'm wondering about the psychological state of grown men that feel they need to fit into what a community says they should look like. Get a backbone, get some ideas of what you like and wear it. Don't give a shit about what other people think about your clothes.

    I feel like this list catered to the most popular things that non fashion conscious men would just wear because for some reason this subreddit feels like they have to be on the edge of fashion to stand out from the crowd. This post literally says don't conform to the norms because you won't be a special snowflake. Who cares? If cargo shorts with a polo, vest and crew neck tshirt makes you feel good... Rock that shit. Don't give a fuck what other people think.

    This subreddit should be more for people looking for items, where to buy them, what brands not to buy...

    [–]FishCantHoldGuns 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I love this guide, but two suggestions / questions:

    1. I feel like a polo with a cool overall print / ditsy print thing going on has it's place. Just don't pop your collar and dress simple with the rest of your outfit.

    2. A little bit of crew neck undershirt sticking out of the top of a crew neck sweater never killed anyone, right?

    [–]Nojopar -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    First, if a hat has more character than you, you need to get out an live more.

    Second, cargo shorts make a lot of sense in certain contexts, especially when doing labor.

    Third, always keep any item in your wardrobe which gets you laid regularly. Vests get me laid - no I can't explain it either - ergo they stay.

    [–]onemany 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    For number 8 it's written a little odd. Your neck is always visible when you wear a button down. Unless you are wearing one of the mythical turtle neck button downs.

    I think you mean wearing a crew neck with an oxford that leaves the crew neck visible. Or you mean the neckline.

    [–]re7erse 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    No. 8 is the only one I completely disagree with, and I even think the examples look just fine (except for the 2nd one, but that's more about the baggy wrinkly shirt)

    [–]yougonnayou 231 ポイント232 ポイント  (288子コメント)

    Have other men not received the memo on cargo shorts or do they just not care? I still see them all the time and they're awful.

    [–]stanley_twobrick -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (15子コメント)

    Yes, shockingly not everyone wants to look like we're told we should on this sub.

    [–]yougonnayou 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (14子コメント)

    You're on a sub about mens' fashion. Cargo shorts aren't fashionable. You want to define your own style feel free, but know that it's widely agreed that cargo shorts don't look good.

    [–]stanley_twobrick 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    What does that have to do with you seeing men wearing cargo shorts? The answer is no, they don't care about this subs concept of fashion.

    [–]gomx 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    no, they don't care about this subs concept of fashion.

    Literally any concept of fashion.

    Dudes who wear cargo shorts do not care enough about fashion to have opinions about it

    [–]IamtheSlothKing 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Did a pair of shorts murder your parents?

    [–]Facelessone001 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I don't think anyone has put on a pair of cargo shorts trying to seem fashionable. Yet people put them down for wearing them for being unfashionable when that wasn't the reason for them being worn

    [–]ATE_SPOKE_BEE 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (29子コメント)

    It's what I wear when I'm working in the yard or running errands

    I get dressed to go out, or go to work. If I'm not going somewhere I wear jeans and sneakers with a t shirt, or cargos and flip flops if the weather is nice

    Don't you own some shitty clothes? Or do you mow the lawn in your shiny shoes

    [–]Duuhh_LightSwitch 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (25子コメント)

    Yeah, sure, wear some shitty clothes from time to time. That doesn't make them fashionable

    [–]ATE_SPOKE_BEE 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (20子コメント)

    Of course they're not, what did you think I meant by shitty

    He asked the question and I answered. You people are so touchy about what other people wear that you downvote someone for answering a question

    [–]Duuhh_LightSwitch 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    There's a difference between guys who wear cargo shorts out in public and those who wear them to do yard work. Your answer was unhelpful

    [–]BrainDeadUnit -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Thread OP said cargo shorts shouldn't be worn. Guy above you said there are some times where maybe it's ok to be worn -- i.e. When you're not trying to be fashionable.

    It was a relevant comment.

    [–]Stillcant -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Dooont care Pockets If some people would spend some time designing better looking cargo shorts rather than bitching about it we could all be happy