Anarcho_Capitalism 内の of_bronze_and_fire によるリンク Friendly reminder.

[–]Jamesshrugged 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now your claims to "realism" are that much more laughable.

'Truth' is an intersubjective consensus.

No, it isn't.

Truth is the recognition of reality. (This is known as the correspondence theory of truth.)

Pursuit of it necessarily entails a more advanced group strategy of achieving greater and greater consensus through an expensive process of eliminating inconsistency of experience (operational unloading and sympathetic testing, the process of science and law).

Consensus won't make metal shavings nutritious or change the atomic weight of hydrogen.

Reality possesses identity (A is A, things are what they are, a thing can't be what it is and what it is not at the same time and in the same way) that is independent of consciousness.

Objectivism 内の the_valient によるリンク Immigration

[–]Jamesshrugged [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

To be clear, I'm fine with this view too.

One of the beautiful things about free markets is that you never really know how things are going to turn out because they are the result of interactions between individuals.

Objectivism 内の Jamesshrugged によるリンク How would an objectivist society deal with individuals who advocate the initial of physical force?

[–]Jamesshrugged[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So what he says is that if someone advocates the initiation of force, and then takes steps to carry it out, it would be illegal.

So if a communist advocates seizing the means of production from a factory and then votes to enact a law that would do so, isn't that a crime, even if the law isn't enacted?

The person acted to make the initiation of force a reality.

Objectivism 内の the_valient によるリンク Immigration

[–]Jamesshrugged [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sure, they used fraud to enter the country under false pretenses. So what should be done now? Is it the hotel owner's job to deport them? Should the hotel owner in Manhattan kick them off their property? Then the person is in the street. So now the street owner kicks them off the street? So then they're on the sidewalk, so the sidewalk owner kicks them off the sidewalk into the Hudson River? So then they're in the river, so the owner of the Hudson River kicks them out into the ocean?

Yeah, they effectively get deported. That's where the government comes in. The people should screen who they allow on their property, not the government.

That pretty much solves the problem of terrorism and communicable disease, I think.

I think the role of the government in this case wouldn't be to monitor immigration per say, it would be to protect private property rights.

As far as "borders" go private property lines are necessarily closed, except when the property owner gives someone permission to enter. If there is no right to enter someone else's property without their permission there is no "right" to immigration is there?

The government can't say someone is allowed in the country if the private property owners all (including airports, roads, and trains) say "no, they aren't allowed on any of our property"

Objectivism 内の Jamesshrugged によるリンク Socialists see "Sears" (headed by an Ayn Rand Fan) failure as a failure of Objectivism, but ignore the success of BB&T

[–]Jamesshrugged[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The chickenshit mod banned me for single handedly taking on every poster in that thread and making them look like idiots.

EnoughLibertarianSpam 内の HTownian25 によるリンク Ayn Rand disciple runs Sears for five years, putting Free Market Objectivist Selfishness to the test.

[–]Jamesshrugged -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because a company can grow from $4.5 billion in assets to $150 billion in assets without making a profit right?

I mean, your looking really hard for a way to shit on this company because you don't like their ideology, but the numbers are there kiddo.

EnoughLibertarianSpam 内の HTownian25 によるリンク Ayn Rand disciple runs Sears for five years, putting Free Market Objectivist Selfishness to the test.

[–]Jamesshrugged -12 ポイント-11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And you wonder why this sub shits on libertarians

I don't wonder. Haters gonna hate.

I don't really mean that. It's a generalization. You seem like a nice enough person and able to engage in a reasonable discussion.

And no, all leftists aren't socialist, but libertarians don't get the courtesy of nuance here, either.

EnoughLibertarianSpam 内の HTownian25 によるリンク Ayn Rand disciple runs Sears for five years, putting Free Market Objectivist Selfishness to the test.

[–]Jamesshrugged 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have no idea why assets would have any value in determining a company's success

Ahahahahaha.

All you have to do is just buy a bunch of shit.

Ahahahahaha.

Easy to say I guess. If it's so easy why doesn't every company gain $150 billion dollars in assets in 20 years?

Why doesn't every business have $10 billion in revenue every year? It's so easy, all you have to do is buy a bunch of shit!

You're trying to ignore the facts of one of the most successful companies in the country because it doesn't fit your ideology.

What a joke.

Next you'll show me The reasons why North Korea is the most successful country in the world and the USSR didn't actually collapse and the Berlin Wall never came down.

EnoughLibertarianSpam 内の HTownian25 によるリンク Ayn Rand disciple runs Sears for five years, putting Free Market Objectivist Selfishness to the test.

[–]Jamesshrugged -22 ポイント-21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's marketed to socialists, populated by socialists, the mods are socialists.

Maybe I should have said "progressives" but they are the same to me.

EnoughLibertarianSpam 内の HTownian25 によるリンク Ayn Rand disciple runs Sears for five years, putting Free Market Objectivist Selfishness to the test.

[–]Jamesshrugged -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ayn Rand explicitly says "I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another person, nor ask another to live for the sake of mine"

I think that the whole dog eat dog thing is just a smear honestly.

EnoughLibertarianSpam 内の HTownian25 によるリンク Ayn Rand disciple runs Sears for five years, putting Free Market Objectivist Selfishness to the test.

[–]Jamesshrugged -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lemme supply you with some facts.

https://www.charlotteobserver.relaymedia.com/amp/news/business/article9003239.html

John Allison, the longtime chief executive of BB&T Corp., announced Wednesday that he will retire at the end of the year. He has led the bank for almost 20 years, overseeing its transformation from a small farm bank in eastern North Carolina to the country's 14th-largest by assets.

...

When Allison became the CEO in 1989, BB&T had 219 branches in North Carolina and South Carolina. Now, the bank – the third largest headquartered in North Carolina, behind Charlotte neighbors Bank of America and Wachovia - has 31,000 employees and 1,500 branches in 11 states, and it's helped put North Carolina on the banking world's map.

“In the annals of North Carolina banking, there are a few legends that stand out, like Hugh McColl and John Forlines,” said Tony Plath, a finance professor at UNC Charlotte, referring to the well-known retired CEOs of Bank of America Corp. and Bank of Granite Corp. “You can put John Allison on that very short list. It's hard to overestimate what they did and what they built.”

BB&T went from $4.5 billion in assets in 1989 when Allison took over to $152 billion when he left in 2008.

And this is a company explicitly guided by Objectivism: http://bbt.mediaroom.com/BBT-philopsphy-book/mobile-turn/index.html?doc=6830DF4A4CF7F55451D8B48BB835F0C9#page/5

EnoughLibertarianSpam 内の HTownian25 によるリンク Ayn Rand disciple runs Sears for five years, putting Free Market Objectivist Selfishness to the test.

[–]Jamesshrugged -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ayn Rand was not a social Darwinist. She didn't believe in "survival of the fittest." I'm not really sure why people think that.

EnoughLibertarianSpam 内の HTownian25 によるリンク Ayn Rand disciple runs Sears for five years, putting Free Market Objectivist Selfishness to the test.

[–]Jamesshrugged -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Red herring. Is a successful objectivist CEO proof of concept as you think Sears unsuccessful CEO is proof of shortcomings?

EnoughLibertarianSpam 内の HTownian25 によるリンク Ayn Rand disciple runs Sears for five years, putting Free Market Objectivist Selfishness to the test.

[–]Jamesshrugged -10 ポイント-9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But besides that, having an objectivist worldview and being a good ceo =/= proof of ayn rands nonsense is successfull, especially with one large banking business.

But having an objectivist worldview and being a bad CEO is proof of Rands philosophy being unsuccessful, especially with one large retail business?

That's the point I was trying to make.

People in this sub take one example of an unsuccessful objectivist CEO as a blanket condemnation of the philosophy, but one example of a successful Objectivist CEO is not a blanket affirmation of the philosophy, even though it's the same kind of extrapolation.

If the Sears failure is evidence of Objectivisms failure, then BB&T's success is evidence of Objectivisms success right?

EnoughLibertarianSpam 内の HTownian25 によるリンク Ayn Rand disciple runs Sears for five years, putting Free Market Objectivist Selfishness to the test.

[–]Jamesshrugged -14 ポイント-13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe you could quote what you think is relevant there?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BB%26T

BB&T (Branch Banking and Trust) is one of the largest financial services holding companies in the U.S. with $222.6 billion in assets and market capitalization of $30.6 billion (as of September 30, 2016).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._Allison_IV

In 2008, Allison was nominated by Morningstar as one of the best CEOs of 2008.

So Allison has an explicitly Objectivist world view, was the CEO of BB&T, and BB&T was extremely successful.

Allison is still extremely admired in the business world.

https://www.amazon.com/Leadership-Crisis-Free-Market-Cure/dp/0071831118#productDescription_secondary_view_div_1483292088690

John A. Allison is President and CEO of the Cato Institute. Previously he served for twenty years as Chairman and CEO of BB&T, one of the largest financial institutions in America. Allison is a former Distinguished Professor of Practice at Wake Forest University. He received a Lifetime Achievement Award from American Banker, was named one of the decade’s top 100 most successful CEOs in the world by Harvard Business Review, and is the recipient of six honorary doctorate degrees.

Hailed by Forbes magazine as “one of the most important books of the year,” John Allison’s breakout bestseller The Financial Crisis and the Free Market Cure

How am I wrong?

EnoughLibertarianSpam 内の therecordcorrected によるリンク Sears CEO Proves Ayn Rand 'Economics' Fail Every Time

[–]Jamesshrugged -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't look up BB&T under John Allison then. Might mess up your narrative.

EnoughLibertarianSpam 内の HTownian25 によるリンク Ayn Rand disciple runs Sears for five years, putting Free Market Objectivist Selfishness to the test.

[–]Jamesshrugged -34 ポイント-33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why not look at BB&T which was ran by an actual Objectivist (John Allison)

I assume it's because that wouldn't fit the narrative.

Objectivism 内の the_valient によるリンク Immigration

[–]Jamesshrugged [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't think so.

I think in an objectivist society that all owners of private property will have to ban those who believe they have the right to initiate the use of force against others.

In order to stay competitive companies would need to ban those who advocate the initiation of force from their premises, because if they don't, customers will shop at places that do, because of the risk.

No one would would want to stay at a hotel where there safety from physical force isn't insured. Not to mention the roads, trains, planes, etc. these things are "common carriers" now, but when privatized they can choose who is allowed on their property, and anyone who advocates the initiation of force (islamists, communists, fascists, etc) would be banned.

The only way a terrorist could get in is by committing fraud against all those property owners, and if it was found that the hotel owner intentionally harbored a terrorist, they would be liable, and no longer a hotel owner.

The government itself has no right to tell private property owners who they can associate with.