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Why do alt-righters come here? (self.Anarcho_Capitalism)

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Why do you statist pigs come here? I don't get it, what do you think we have in common? You lot are trying to use government to enact your ideas just like the black people you claim to despise.

Why do you try to latch on to ancapism? Is it simply to troll? And don't give me that bullshit about "muh safe space", anyone who's been an ancap for a minute has heard and destroyed your dumb ass arguments dozens of times.

I don't even care about the "racism", I just hate y'all because you think you're edgy but you're just as cucked as the people you claim to be fighting against.

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[–]libertarienEdgy 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I've found alt-right to be a difficult term to define. Most people that I have talked to would include ancap in alt-right, which makes it too broad to be useful.

Anyway, everyone wants to hang with the cool kids.

[–]Wardenclyffe56Fash Gordon 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Alt-right isn't an economic policy, AnCap is. For some Alt-righters, AnCapism is within their economic ideas.

[–]steppeulvTruth: an uphill battle https://goo.gl/LUEQPg 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (10子コメント)

What economic policy is ancap? The fact that you would even associate a policy with a fundamental anti-policy(public) ideal.

[–]Zakattk1027Murray Rothbard 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Much of it aligns with the Austrian school of economic theory

[–]steppeulvTruth: an uphill battle https://goo.gl/LUEQPg 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Indeed my point was he dismissed or conflated ancapism with austrian economics. Surely Austrian economics is a solid cornerstone, but I think it's gross and vile truncation to call it just that.

[–]Zakattk1027Murray Rothbard 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You make it all sound a bit dramatic, but I agree with you, lol

[–]JonnyLatte 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It aligns with the conclusions people often make from the theory. Austrian economics is not a set of policy conclusions.

[–]Zakattk1027Murray Rothbard 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not disagreeing with you

[–]steppeulvTruth: an uphill battle https://goo.gl/LUEQPg 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

https://youtu.be/SLfnpwHu4Hw?t=48s

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[–]Wardenclyffe56Fash Gordon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Policy" was the wrong word I used, English isn't my native, my mistake. The thing is that the alt-right different economic ideas agree with much of what AnCap says, at least for me.

And the posts you make are fun to watch too, I blow air out of nose everytime I look at AnCap memes. You are, indeed, the cool kids.

[–]brorack_brobamaLibertarian Transhumanist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously. It's like saying Atheism is a religion.

[–]Melab 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you think anarcho-capitalism is not a policy proposal, then you need a dictionary.

[–]throwaway2348907987 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably because the alt-right is more an attempt at social transformation than a distinct set of policy proposals; and that is where its utility is found. The problems they point out do exist; the arguments form around how they are resolved - but one thing's for sure: shitlibs compound these issues.

Many ancaps/libertarians don't even consider biology to be a factor in culture or how societies are organized. Their interests are almost purely economic and they refuse to consider anything outside of the "subjective" interests of the individual, even though markets largely don't operate in the domain of individual preferences either; hence why you don't see tampons targeted at males, testosterone supplements targeted at females, afro picks targeted at whites, or cow's milk targeted at asians - and also why totally custom-tailored products tend to become the domain of the wealthy while everyone else is happy with duplicate products designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator at the lowest price.

We can't operate completely blind to preferences and built-in behaviors and tendencies that exist across groups in addition to individuals. Given different environments and enough time, humans will become completely alien to one another.

If one can simply conceive an environment where the NAP leads to death, then one can see that it's entirely possible to have minds develop out of that environment that lack even the necessary brain structures to question the "validity" of aggression. You might as well attempt to explain red to a person who only sees in black and white.

In other words, we have to be running roughly similar operating systems before we can run the same program; and not all hardware can run Liberty OS even if they have compatible plugs and sockets.

[–]Maikowski2Right Wing Anarchist 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (39子コメント)

because some ancaps turned alt-right

[–]Eagle--Anarcho-Rastafarian 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (35子コメント)

This.

Alt-righters/NRx think that high-trust societies are the key to less government.

[–]ironclad_capillariesVoluntarist 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

In a world with no government, surely high-trust societies would simply attract more people whom would be held to the rules of said society? What about anarchocapitalism contradicts that line of thought?

[–]Wesker1982Black Flag 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah is this even controversial? Ostracism and other social pressure is by default part of the ancap framework in my head and has been for at least 8 years. Where are the anti-high-trust ancaps? Are they just strawmen?

[–]ironclad_capillariesVoluntarist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anti-culture libertines are the strawmen that the resident DNA astrologists like to attack.

[–]SuperspathiAspiring Helicopter Pilot 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (29子コメント)

But do they want less government? I've seen plenty of them saying they want national socialism.

[–]FormerlyFlintloxHoppepotamus 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I've seen plenty of them saying they want national socialism

Some Nat-Socs are alt-right, not all alt-right are nat soc, in fact a vast majority are not nat soc.

[–]Erebus_BlackAnarcho-Capitalist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I don't care what they are. Nat-Socs need to be physically removed, just like any of brand of socialist.

[–]crushedbycookie 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

By whom?

Edit: Thanks /u/Eagle--

[–]brorack_brobamaLibertarian Transhumanist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

DON'T YOU BELIEVE IN THE NAP

Everyone wants elements of society removed that they don't like. The problem (or more likely, the primary feature) with ancap is that you can't.

[–]Eagle--Anarcho-Rastafarian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

*whom

[–]Jasmyne_Nova 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

...need to be physically removed...

pot, meet kettle.

[–]pandoramoonlightnrx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

So you want to kill people who aren't using the initiation of force against you? You don't sound like an ancap.

[–]Erebus_BlackAnarcho-Capitalist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Anyone who advocates a form of socialism is arguing that force should be used against me.

[–]pandoramoonlightnrx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So you don't believe in freedom of speech?

[–]of_bronze_and_firebut are you also aware of being aware -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Some descend from the lower working class and therefore logically advocate for a more 'group-watching-out-for-its-members' evolutionary strategy. These types disproportionately come from the somewhat less intelligent and slightly inbred Scott-Irish and Irish ethnic groups.

By contrast, people of Anglo, Dutch, and Scandinavian descent tend to be more libertarian in evolutionary strategy. They are more outbred and intelligent (8-20 more IQ points, depending on the exact subgroup). I believe I saw a statistic that said 68% of libertarians are specifically of this North Sea background. If you know anything about the history of these areas, all of these facts makes crystal clear sense.

When males of this group aren't libertarian commercialists, they tend to still advocate for a meritocracy of some sort, like myself and Curt Doolittle in our advocacy for an aristocratic republic using the scientific Propertarian framework.

People like Curt and me could be seen as overlapping the alt-right, but we aren't mere ethno-nationalists at the cost of a meritocracy. This is a pattern which has been corroborated in other psychological investigations, like Jonathan Haidt's work, where he found conservatives are the most ethnocentric, lowest in IQ; liberals middle of the pack in IQ; and libertarians the highest IQ.

When more and more of your evolutionary success is loaded into the individual actor himself (high intelligence), he can adopt a relatively more individualistic evolutionary strategy. When that's not the case, the evolutionary success gets distributed across the group (ethnocentric tribalism).

If all of this can be understood, it might be asked why I support some ethno-nationalist measures, and it's simply a part of a larger cooperation of these different evolutionary strategies. It would be very, very foolish for the high IQ libertarians to go to war with the somewhat lower IQ conservative-nationalists, as the latter forms the basis of cultural capital. There's a conservative-libertarian symbiosis, and technically also a symbiosis with liberals, in the production and caretaking of children.

[–]Pastorality 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm trying to imagine an authoritarian dictatorship that wouldn't physically remove you for being a pompous weirdo

[–]Eagle--Anarcho-Rastafarian 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you know anything about the history of these areas, all of these facts makes crystal clear sense.

Why?

[–]of_bronze_and_firebut are you also aware of being aware 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Study the nuptial norms of the Hajnal line.

[–]StrewnBitStream 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (13子コメント)

aristocratic republic using the scientific Propertarian framework

scientific

K

[–]Melab 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, go fuck yourself, tool.

[–]SnakesoverEaglesThis is an alt right sub 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

http://imgur.com/a/K9tho

[–]shadowplanner -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Perhaps they realize that while we WANT no government, no rulers, etc that won't magically happen by us doing nothing?

[–]Maikowski2Right Wing Anarchist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

and of course doing something means racism IQ and nashenal borders

[–]shadowplanner 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trying to force a false dichotomy on me and state what choices are available? It is quite a bit bigger than that. The Racism, IQ, National borders bit is not even anything I mentioned. Care to use some more ad hominem style attacks?

I actually posed it as a QUESTION if you see the post... Don't know if it is you who down voted a question or not. If so, bravo, really impressed. If not, then some other "gee, he don't agree with me... better down vote him".

[–]SudusianAnarcho Capitalist 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (16子コメント)

It's better to have people with other ideas come and challenge our own. Turning the subreddit into an ancap hugbox is only just going to harm ancapism.

Some ancaps can be considered alt-right because alt-right is a broad movement. Many alt-righters are former ancaps. I think part of the former ancap's fall to alt-rightism is when they want things like segregation and borders(both of which have good reasons to be for) ancaps will call them a statist and push them away and say they're not a real libertarian/ancap.

For example

Why do you statists pigs come here?

If you think the alt-right's arguments are bad, argue against them and try to convince them to come over to your side of thinking. Just being like "statists fuck off" isn't going to have any positive effect for you(other than karma whoring or signaling) or for the ancap movement.

[–]ironclad_capillariesVoluntarist 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Every time this comes up some username I don't recognize chimes in and tells us we should be open to new ideas, that we should rest on the merits of our arguments.

You either haven't been around here much at all for the past six months, or you have some masochist complex that relishes being shouted down. This place is a fucking dumpster fire. Why don't you try your hand at arguing with them?

[–]crappycappyAnarcho-Crappitalist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why don't you try your hand at arguing with them?

He is alt-right. He wants more attention so he wants you to argue with him so he can keep the topic off of anarcho-capitalism.

[–]theantirobot 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I find this comment kind of funny because you seem to be making the same argument about the alt-right being in your subreddit as the alt-right is making about immigrants being in America. Maybe it's not a good idea to welcome people with ideas and culture incompatible with your own...

But honestly the alt-right and an-cap should have a pretty good co-existance. For an alt-right an-cap there is the idea that the government is a weapon being used against an-cap culture, and that an-caps should use it right back. But for a pure an-cap, any state authority is bad.

[–]ironclad_capillariesVoluntarist 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

False equivalencies between private borders, state borders, and smearing shit on an internet board are precisely the kind of arguments that have been infesting this place for over eight months and is why the top level comment seems so out of touch. We go in circles, and the alt right will keep making vapid arguments like yours.

[–]theantirobot 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I just want to point out the 7 month account telling the 9 year account how the 3 year account that posted the top-voted comment is out of touch.

[–]hot_rats_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

WTF does this have to do with anything?

Of course it's upvoted, most of the people who used to have actual discussion here got frustrated with asinine garbage like this and left. You guys run the place now, congrats. Democracy in a nutshell.

[–]ironclad_capillariesVoluntarist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This isn't my first account, and the above user is not active here at all. Thanks for another useless comment.

[–]J3bypwease no steppy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem is they don't always want to discuss. They come in and spam memes and platitudes, taking advantage of the fact that this sub is essentially unmoderated.

[–]pocketknifeMT 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can't logic people out of a position they didn't logic themselves into.

[–]hot_rats_ 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The point of any sub is to be somewhat of an echo-chamber, otherwise why don't we abandon this place all just go hang out in /r/anarchism?

I have nothing against healthy, intellectually honest debate. But alt-righters hanging out here an taking over the dialogue would be like "soft" agnostics taking over /r/atheism. I also have nothing against discussing the merits of certain things like borders given that statism is the current reality we live in -- but that's tangential to anarcho-capitalism itself.

Mostly I'm just sick of cringing at immature posters with half-baked ideas using language like "cucks," confirming to anyone who might have otherwise had an intellectual interest in the subject that it is not to be taken seriously.

[–]Justinw303Minarchist 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Turning the subreddit into an ancap hugbox is only just going to harm ancapism.

I'd say being associated with those racist morons is way more harmful to ancapism than an echo chamber.

[–]theantirobot 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd say calling them racist is failing to understand their position. The alt-right is a big group much more receptive to an-cap ideas than any other. It would be good to jump on the band-wagon, adopt the alt-right label, and understand those calling it racist have no idea what they're talking about. Even if they are racist, what better revenge is there than stealing their movement and making it your own? I mean, is it possible that maybe you and a racist person have a lot of similar ideals?

[–]MDKLXCS 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Going against your own principles because you dont want to be associated with "racists" is just playing into state propaganda and leftist/Marxist agendas.

This is why an-caps/libertarianism is a fringe ideology that is the subject of only mockery in any academic/intellectual circles, while Marxism, on the other hand, is praised in academia despite being a murderous death cult that thinks mass scale theft, murder, and reeducation (brainwashing) camps in order to achieve fairness is an ideal to be strived for.

It's just a classic bait-and-switch scam; they'll say, oh look it's libertarianism, free markets, less government, etc., then they'll switch scenes to a third world country that charges its citizens to collect rainwater or has white supremacist extra-judicial death-squads roaming the streets killing homeless people and say, "This is libertarianism". They pulled this one on me in University.

Because no serious intellectual wants to be associated with that, their mind learns to associate libertarianism with the devil and "free markets" and "small government" are reduced to dog-whistles for people who wanna re-enslave blacks and not sell cakes to gays.

This is what makes it impossible to have an open and honest discussion of libertarianism with many "open-minded" University graduates. But for similar reasons it's hard to discuss anything right-wing with anyone, the MSM has done such a good job of portraying Conservatives as bigots and gaslighting right-leaning people that most people would rather go against their values of free-speech & belief so as not to be associated with "the big bad racists".

[–]Justinw303Minarchist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure how any of what you said applies to my post, but good effort.

[–]shadowplanner 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. Well said. When people resort to name calling and belittling I have no idea why they think that will suddenly make people agree with their points. As soon as they do that I shake my head and move on.

[–]kalcy -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

we have a winner!

[–]fiddlingontheroofPaleolibertarian 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (26子コメント)

Because the "alt-right" is a broad collection of paleocons, classical liberals, ancaps, monarchists, and nazis that are unified in their hatred of egalitarianism, global government, and multiculturalism.

[–]ancap_throwaway1222 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (14子コメント)

This is the only place they aren't banned.

[–]SnakesoverEaglesThis is an alt right sub 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a blatant lie. The /r/altright/ sub is actually more active than this sub. Four times as active as of today.

[–]of_bronze_and_firebut are you also aware of being aware 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (12子コメント)

That's an explanation for why we still exist, but not why we first existed here. We first existed here because many of us used to be ancaps.

[–]4771cu5 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

So, if you're not an ancap anymore, why come here?

[–]of_bronze_and_firebut are you also aware of being aware 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm trying to help other ancaps learn what I learned even earlier in their development than when I did.

[–]Tawsix 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And I'm quite thankful for that.

[–]ancap_throwaway1222 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Sura ya did.

[–]theantirobot 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Molyneux converted a lot, and made the alt-right tent a lot bigger.

[–]SnakesoverEaglesThis is an alt right sub 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Molyneux was behind the curve, while he surely converted some, he didn't lead anything in this regard.

[–]Unironic_MonarchistStates are inevitable; Collective rule is the cancer. 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

He isn't wrong.

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    [–]Unironic_MonarchistStates are inevitable; Collective rule is the cancer. -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Nope.

    I was a libertarian ancap for close to ten years. I have read a huge chunk of the Mises institute library online. The problems I have with libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism are tempered by the reading material and my arguments against the philosophy are not naive. I am also a moderator of /r/austrian_economics fwiw.

    Ice (bronze_and_fire) and a few other core users have been here for quite some time and their arguments are informed quite obviously by a deep understanding of the contours of the ancap ideology.

    It is hard coming to terms with the limitations of an ideology that one deeply identifies with. it was painful for me to come to terms with these limits, but I did so because I believe in a no limits intellectual integrity.

    The fundamental problems with ancapism is a historical myopia combined with a liberal inheritance that detours discussion into the grasp of leftists. In my belief, absolute monarchism is a more cost-effective goal and really, that's all ancapism was tending towards anyways; a neo-feudalism that yes, is fucking better than the shitty communistic/democratic governance that we now have. The trick became privatizing governance in a familiar way rather than saying you're elimanating it when really, you are just changing it to a form of private governance that is unfamiliar to the bulk stock of violent, semi-intelligent primates that roam this god-forsaken planet.

    Now, political connections can be made to the intelligence and military apparatus. There is no longer the sin of pairing off with "the man", now, we identify with the man, and we want to make the man's job even easier: by placating the population under the rule of a for-profit state. This is of course, not fair or just, but it is practicable, and realistic, and historically pragmatic.

    I want humanity to be a multi-planet species this century... do you?

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      [–]Unironic_MonarchistStates are inevitable; Collective rule is the cancer. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Ancapism is blind to /ignores /underestimates many historical realities and existing social systems. That makes the feasibility of ancapism suspect.

      As for liberal inheritance, an example would be the belief that libertinism (sexual liberation, drug culture, hedonism, etc.) is somehow anti-statist. From another perspective (Hoppe's for instance) open and proliferate libertinism is a symptom of modern society and its democratic and socialist operations. Thus, praising or "siding" with hedonists, degenerates, perverts, feminists, etc. is a mistake because these people would see their lifestyles become much more difficult in ancapism and many of them know this.

      Another example, closer to my original meaning would be the issue of the Lockean homesteading principle which many ancaps buy into. The LHP relies on an objective theory of value and is pretty hocus-pocusy as well. Marxism engages in a logical extension of the LHP once it is assumed. The principle also relies on an imaginary anthropology: never in history was property acquired and society contracted in the Lockean manner.

      A sounder theory is that sovereignty is based on power which includes various forms of direct and indirect coercion as well as habit, custom, and apathy. Discarding the entire NAP/Lockean bullshit is key to salvaging what good bits remain of ancapism.

      [–]GalleaniIndividualist Anarchist 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Why do you statist pigs come here? I don't get it, what do you think we have in common?

      If you want a serious answer, a lot of the alt-right that still hang out here are former anarcho-capitalists. A few still consider themselves that, or paleolibertarian, etc.

      What they have in common are things like the writings of the late Rothbard in the early 90s, or the writings of Hans-Hermann Hoppe. Moldbug, who popularized "neo-reaction," said he was an anarcho-capitalist and that Hoppe was essentially his bridge to neo-reaction.

      It's easy to see why if you read the late writings of Rockwell, Rothbard and Hoppe. They envision a society where you are able to discriminate freely. A society where private borders are not more inclusive, but more restrictive, than the current state. Hoppe goes even further and asserts that the only stable communities would be those that adhere to cultural conservatism, to traditional gender roles, and that are ethno-nationalist.

      So that's what you have in common. They didn't come here and brigade you. You influenced them to be what they are now.

      [–]4771cu5 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I thought of myself as a communist in my much younger years, but I certainly don't subscribe to communist subreddits, so why do the former ancaps subscribe to ancap subreddits?

      [–]GalleaniIndividualist Anarchist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I don't know, I've still been coming around long after I stopped being an ancap too. A lot of these alt-right guys also I guess. They've been here for years. I think it's because anarcho-capitalism is so incredibly fringe that it's the only place we're able to find people to discuss it with. Like after reading so many books and articles over the course of years, you're drawn to the topic. Kind of the way former Christians turned atheist will have religious debates. I know part of it for me and why I like the debate subs is just because it's the only outlet to use the information.

      The alt-right doesn't exactly have a huge community to play with, either. So maybe they have a mix of being familiar with anarcho-capitalism, seeking new recruits and the fact they don't get banned from this sub.

      [–]ohyou123 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I've no idea how the alt right sees libertarianism as compatible with their world view considering the fact that according to the oldest founding libertarian principles property rights are created when one "mixes his labor with the land" as Murray Rothbard and others wrote about extensively. In other words, large swaths of land in the southern United States are owned by the descendants of the African American slaves who "mixed their labor with the land".

      Whitey's economic domination through artificial property rights are a consequence of state enforcement of some form of feudalistic legal fiction. The state has not only involved itself in the murder, theft and confiscation of land and wealth for whitey's needs but it's very existence is an absolute requirement and necessity to keep whites at the very top of the pecking order when it comes to inequality and concentration of wealth. Without a state - the free market would distribute the worlds wealth far more equally. Thus in advocating for anarchism and a genuine free market, one is, by extension, advocating for an end to white dominance in world economic affairs. Therefore, a strong state is required to bring the vision of the alt right to fruition. It is simply incompatible with a libertarian world.

      [–]theantirobot -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That analysis is on-point.

      I want to point out that the ideals of white-dominance are essentially the same as an-cap (as far as I've heard them explained), but obfuscated to be an attribute of a race instead of an independent culture. The alt-right sees the state as actively working to end white-dominance, and by extension an-cap ideals. I.E, the state just isn't putting in place policies that make it harder to be engage in ancap activities, it is putting in place policies that make it harder for ancap culture to dominate - actively promoting an incompatible culture. So the response, even for ancaps, should be to cease control of the state to create a nation where ancap culture can dominate, or at least prevent it from transforming the nation into one where it is impossible.

      The racial part of the alt-right is unfortunate, but the arguments, when taken as a defense of culture instead of race, are on point. And that's where the big-tent alt-right movement is. It was the left that made it about race, and the alt-right emerged and responded accordingly.

      [–]bmckalipAnarcho-Capitalist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Here's an except of a comment I made in response to someone yesterday that I feel is relevant enough to submit as a top level comment to this thread:

      When alt-righters make snide comments regarding open boarders and claim I want this sub turned into a ban crazy ancap version of /r/communism or others, this is my response from now on:

      I'm applying social pressure, much like members of any group would do against outsiders. What I don't really understand is why [alt-righters] even want to be here. [They] clearly disagree with our political stances. For instance, I've long been unsubscribed from /r/politics because it's a liberal echochamber. I don't stubbornly comment on threads in /r/anarchism or /r/communism and expect to be accepted into their groups. I've found my own groups such as /r/Anarcho_Capitalism, and /r/GoldandBlack.

      "but doesn't that make you close-minded?"

      No, it doesn't. When I am interested in opposing viewpoints, I'll visit /r/CapitalismVSocialism and make comments there, in the debate subreddit. I don't march into enemy territories like the socialist subs and troll.

      [–]maszynaI'm a snake ... sssss 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (18子コメント)

      Because they're statists. They have an urge to expand their collectivist ideas.

      [–]dieyoung[S] 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (17子コメント)

      I hear that, but why here? Do they think we would be sympathetic to their philosophy, whatever the fuck it is?

      They're so dumb, they think because we are against state sanctioned borders we are against preservation of culture and ethnicity.

      [–]roadbuilderrrLabel Avoider 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (11子コメント)

      A lot of them would be Molyneux supporters. They would have been using this board already before following him into the depths of white supremacy and Trump worship.

      [–]theantirobot 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      That's how it is for me. I didn't vote for Trump, but I see his election as a huge win - mostly because of the alternative-media apparatus that enabled it. As offensive as it is to an-cap, I believe that government is a powerful tool to influence culture, and it's being used to diminish the tools and culture that an-caps have.

      White-supremacy isn't what I hear most of the people labeled as alt-right advocating for. I acknowledge there is a pretty strong case to be made that the alt-right started out as a white-supremacy movement, but also white-pride is easy to confuse with white-supremacy. To me it's a mistake to attribute a culture to a race, even when there is a correlation. Dismissing the alt-right as a white-supremacy movement is throwing the baby out with the bath water.

      The alt-right sees the culture of self reliance, reliance on family and larger community organizations as being under attack by the government. If the government can be used to diminish an-cap culture and ideals then it can also be used to enhance them, at least to a point.

      I see more "worship" of the apparatus that elected Trump, with actual "Trump worship" being engaged in ironically.

      Meme magic is real, and Kek walks among us. Praise god-emperor Trump.

      [–]GalleaniIndividualist Anarchist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      White-supremacy isn't what I hear most of the people labeled as alt-right advocating for.

      Well the person who coined the term "alt-right" did literally say "this country belongs to white people." And that was just a month or so ago. He has always been a pretty open white nationalist. And he has always advocated for systematically removing non-white people from the United States in a "gradual, non-violent" process.

      [–]theantirobot 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yes Richard Spencer is a white-nationalist, but that isn't the same as white-supremacist. Despite what the mainstream-media says, and probably to the dismay of Richard Spencer, the alt-right has become a big tent.

      Can you link me to a source for the "gradual, non-violent" process quote? I've only seen a few of his videos, but I've never seen him advocate for removal of people.

      [–]Caduceus_Imperium -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Guilt by association. Richard Spencer is not the spokesman for the Alt-right anymore than David Duke is a spokesman for Donald Trump.

      Spencer is a convenient way for the media to smear a young rebellious challenge to neo-liberal dogma.

      [–]hot_rats_ -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      "White pride" is attributing a culture to a race. You're not proud of something you're not invested in culturally. And you guys are all going to be super disappointed in 4 years.

      [–]andkongrero.com 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      white supremacy and Trump worship

      It's a shame that after months of discussions on immigration, you feel the need to label (label avoider?) it as such, when in reality it's a means to end the government program known as importing millions of future Democrats.

      [–]dieyoung[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      The most ironic part is Trump is probably more of a Zionist bitch than even Hillary. Good goys they are!

      [–]theantirobot 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Israel is an ethno-nationalist state, which is what Richard Spencer, the guy who coined the term 'Alt-right' wants for the US.

      [–]gustaveIebonCaesarist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      White nationalism is not inherently anti-Jew or anti-Israel, it's just that Jews are usually anti-white nationalist.

      [–]Repeal1965HartCeller 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Adolf was a zionist as well. He just wanted ALL jews to be in Israel (or Madagascar).

      [–]timtom45 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      but i thought he ws a nazi

      [–]maszynaI'm a snake ... sssss 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I guess they're here because they don't get banned :)

      If this sub started banning statists they would move on to vandalize some other sub...

      [–]genghiscoyne 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Banning opposing ideas is cowardly

      [–]maszynaI'm a snake ... sssss 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      freedom of association

      [–]theantirobot 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Do they think we would be sympathetic to their philosophy, whatever the fuck it is?

      You should probably learn what it is before you go criticizing it.

      [–]S2r5nLe Verbose Racist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Most of us (including myself) are palaeo-libertarian or AnCap; we simply oppose open borders (many libertarians and AnCaps have) and endorse ethno-thedism stead of ethnic egalitarianism.

      [–]halfback910Previously Banned From /R/DebateAltRight 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      They come because I'm so sexy they just can't hold it in at the sight of me.

      [–]crash-and-bern_hard 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      A good number of "alt-right" on this sub are former ancaps. It's the same community with different ideas. The same people with a new label.

      [–]theantirobot 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yep, basically ancap, but with a belief that government is being used to push culture away from ancap (or whatever ideal). It's pretty much like, "we didn't pick this fight, but we'll win it."

      [–]4771cu5 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      So, if they are FORMER ancaps, why do they still come here? I considered myself a communist in high school, but I don't post in communist subreddits; if I did post in the communist subreddits, it would be purely for trolling.

      Answer: Trolling

      [–]Pc_RetroAnti-Communist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      A lot of alt-righters use to be ancaps, and some of people who self describe as alt-right are very close to paleolibertarianism. Rothbard (creator of ancap) was a firm believer in race and iq, and if you look at the work he did near the end of his life, he was pretty close to a lot of alt-righters (of couse other alt-righters want socialism but for whites only)

      [–]4771cu5 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      So, if they USED TO BE ancap, why do they still post here?

      [–]Pc_RetroAnti-Communist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Maybe because a lot of the people in the alt-right sub are anti-capitalist, and they may not like it there?

      [–]4771cu5 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      So, why do you want to make this sub about being alt-right, isntead of helping the anti-capitalist alt-right sub be about capitalism?

      [–]Pc_RetroAnti-Communist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I don't consider myself part of the alt-right, so I can not answer.

      [–]4771cu5 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I apologize, wrong pronoun, you should have been they.

      [–]JayHermanpls no tread 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I'm sure Stefan Molyneux has had an effect. Whether or not you're a fan of him, he's a large voice within the movement. He's leaned alt-right for the last year or so now, so it's unsurprising that they have expressed their ideas here.

      [–]4771cu5 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      They should go comment on youtube, then instead of here.

      [–]Ernie_Anders 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm willing to bet this is one of the primary reasons. Stefan has been transitioning towards alt-right since Trump announced his candidacy and his viewers have started moving along with him.

      [–]razzlioxphilosophy 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Stormfront has been using /r/ancap as a breeding ground for their philosophy for years, mostly due to its shite moderation. Try /r/GoldAndBlack

      [–]SuperspathiAspiring Helicopter Pilot 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      It is puzzling to me why they infest this subreddit. Ancapism is pretty fringe. If they're trying to expand their pure Bavarian ethno-state, why bother trolling the tiny ancap population?

      [–]dieyoung[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Exactly. Like, why not try to troll /r/libertarian? The user base is much larger and probably more open to their statist (commie) ideas.

      [–]Harnisfechten 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      they do troll /r/Libertarian too.

      [–]aletoledojustice derives freedom 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Well /r/libertarian is statist as well. Statists hate anarchists, so it not so much swaying statists to change their mode of statism, as it is getting an anarchist to go back to the state. As long as we exist, it pisses them off.

      [–]DerWilleZurMacht- -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Because these are our former stomping grounds. The best ancap posters have all moved elsewhere, but it's fun to come back and look at the house you grew up in.

      [–]4771cu5 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Fine, look, but STFU and don't touch.

      [–]narbgarbler 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (8子コメント)

      They come here because you don't ban them.

      [–]SomalianRoadBuilder 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Thank you for this.

      Alt righters are not welcome here. Fuck off.

      [–]theorymeltfool 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Because the mods here have a "hands off/non-ban" approach.

      Tbh I don't give a fuck, let the intellectual-lightweights get trounced.

      [–]pretty_goy 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      4 the pussy

      [–]PropertarAnarcho-Capitalist 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      The term, "Altright" is pretty broad and can range from Imperial Cult Fascists to Ethnocentric Anarchists. Many in the Altright community believe in less centralized government, or no government at all, independent living, and economic freedom.

      Even the most statist of Fascists are technically better than Communists as they believe in meritocracy, free expression, 2nd amendment rights, and still believe in many free market principles.

      [–]Spenmenn 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Sure buddy, keep telling yourself that there is freedom of expression under Fascism.

      [–]GalleaniIndividualist Anarchist 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Fascists

      meritocracy

      free market principles

      2nd amendment rights

      I'm not sure that's the case. Fascism supports upholding institutions of tradition and promoting stability. In many cases those institutions aren't meritocratic, for example Franco and the Roman Catholic Church.

      And toward upholding stability, fascists are just as likely to nationalize a business, or have the state take it and give it to a private individual they deem more capable, as they are to let the market work itself out. There's a strong technocratic tendency where they're not going to say "what the market decides is good," but rather "let's put experts into power to run this."

      And as far as firearms, the 2nd Amendment, etc. - all of the fascist states almost immediately began to seize guns and implement firearm ownership laws. It became much more difficult to own a gun under Hitler, Franco, or Mussolini than it was before they came into power. If you ever delve into places like Stormfront, a lot of these people flat out say they don't support the rights of everyone to own a weapon. We're looking less at private firearm ownership and more at firearm ownership restricted to professional police and military in historical fascist societies, as well as what self-identifying fascists tend to advocate for today.

      [–]VerlorenesMetallgeld 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      They're banned from most other subreddits, many of them even from "Altright" ones (T_D).

      [–]uhlimpo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Let's stop calling them altright

      [–]MaxWerginBastiat 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I can only assume they are trolls. I mean, when they're banned from the de facto official Donald Trump subreddit, I can only assume because what they are posting isn't good for the "image" of Donald Trump supporters... Something is wrong with them, you know?

      Maybe compassion will help. Just...piss them off by being absolutely overwhelming. "Who hurt you as a child? Were you hugged enough?"

      Edit: Words.

      [–]MonadTranAnarcho-Capitalist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      OK, so someone shows some interest in our ideas, but does not share them at the moment. What do we do? Right, we call them pigs, and kick them out. It maybe makes sense to kick out of here those who are verbally abusive, and call people names, but guess who's doing that right now?

      [–]Taco_Truck_Affici 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Because they're banned from everywhere else.

      [–]Wardenclyffe56Fash Gordon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You lot are better than AnComs.

      And alt-right isn't an economic policy, AnCap is. For some Alt-righters, AnCapism is within their economic ideas.

      [–]NESIRGNIKNeo-Reactionary -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (17子コメント)

      1.) Most members of the altright are former ancaps/libertarians

      2.) We want to grow our ideology by recruiting people

      3.) Seems how so many of us are ex libertarians we know that libertarianism has a pertinacity for attracting people susceptible to the altright message.

      4.) Debate in general is fun. It allows us to sharpen our message.

      5.) Regardless of if we convert people, right wing libertarians and the altright will always be natural allies.

      [–]SnakesoverEaglesThis is an alt right sub 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (14子コメント)

      Regardless of if we convert people, right wing libertarians and the altright will always be natural allies.

      The problem is that since many of the right wing libertarians have been joining the alt right, increasingly the holdouts are those of the left wing persuasion who have been trying to infiltrate the liberty movement. Just look at /r/Libertarian for an example.

      Remember, leftists always project.

      [–]4771cu5 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (13子コメント)

      Who the hell asked alt-righters to come and protect us from the leftists? Would it make any sense if some leftists started shit-posting in this sub to protect us from alt-righters?

      [–]SnakesoverEaglesThis is an alt right sub 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (12子コメント)

      I see you are a Gary fan. Gary Johnson is a leftist.

      [–]4771cu5 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (11子コメント)

      I wouldn't call myself a fan of Gary Johnson. I guess you didn't go too deeply into my post history, you weirdo post-stalker.

      And, way to avoid the question. Go ahead and come up with some retort for you logical fallacy.

      [–]SnakesoverEaglesThis is an alt right sub 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

      I wouldn't call myself a fan of Gary Johnson.

      "If people didn't waste their votes on Hillary Clinton, Gary Johnson would have won. Thanks for blowing it, Hillary supporters."

      I guess you didn't go too deeply into my post history

      post-stalker

      Pick one.

      [–]4771cu5 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

      I don't see how me pointing out someone's logical fallacy makes me a fan of Gary Johnson. Did you even read the context? Let me know if I need to type in larger letters or smaller words.

      --Edit

      Oh yeah, way to avoid the original question, again.

      [–]SnakesoverEaglesThis is an alt right sub -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

      Nice try leftist.

      [–]4771cu5 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      YOU GOOD MAN. YOU SAVE SUB FROM LEFTISTS. IT'S OK YOU NO FOLLOW CONTEXT. YOU HERO.

      [–]4771cu5 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Oh, oh, find that post where I said leftist stuff.

      [–]4771cu5 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Keep digging, you'll find it. I promise it's in there.

      [–]SnakesoverEaglesThis is an alt right sub -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Not wanting Trump to win is already a slam dunk case.

      [–]4771cu5 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Most members of the altright are former ancaps/libertarians

      How many times have I seen this here? Has your centralized leadership given you some sort of talking points memo for trolling this sub?

      [–]NESIRGNIKNeo-Reactionary 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Well it's true. Go post on /r/altright and ask them.

      [–]Iamcancer624 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      again, tell me how will you get an ancap society by trump's inauguration?

      [–]aletoledojustice derives freedom 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      you can't vote away tyranny.

      [–]GalleaniIndividualist Anarchist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I don't know, Hoppe's strategy is literally to vote away tyranny.

      Generally, that people need to vote at a local level for "insiders" who will begin to privatize everything until fully-private enclaves are formed in small towns and cities.

      [–]aletoledojustice derives freedom 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The flaw is that your opponents are following the same plan of action. They vote in their insiders and you vote in yours. It's the equivalent of two armies charging at one another in full frontal assaults. Both sides know exactly what the other side is doing. So on this basis, the battle is decided by other factors, like one side having the higher ground or a numerical advantage. Being that the tyrannical government has the advantage of a head start in planting their 'insiders', we will always be at the disadvantage.

      If we're supposed to be smarter than the average statist and our socialist opponents, then we should be able to devise a better strategy.

      [–]magasilver 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      you wont, but you can slow or accelerate the march to communism, Trump is a plan to buy time, and slow the spread of leftist thought.

      The path to an-cap society is not via voting, but progress.

      [–]Caduceus_Imperium 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      If you want to defeat them, give them exactly what they want.

      [–]magasilver 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You underestimate how low things can go. Look how long venezuela has been in the toilet. Still no revolution. The approach of letting them win is suicide. What we need is to buy time for technology to lift us out of the trap.

      [–]dieyoung[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Are you asking me our posing the question to the crypto-commies?

      [–]KobathesealionVoluntarist Nationalist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I can't say for sure, but I imagine a lot of them are at least sympathizers.

      [–]raccoons_are_pets 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Do we have 50. cal turret™ against alr-right?

      [–]S2r5nLe Verbose Racist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Most Alt-Right people here (including myself) capaciously concur with you; we do dispute open borders and consider such a position simultaneously ethically preposterous and consequentially disastrous however. I would advise rigorously examining open borders versus ethno-identitarianism rather than spewing inane insinuations of subversion; remember: Hoppe, Sowell, Rockwell, and Rothbard all oppose (or opposed in Rothbard's case) open borders whilst Block endorsed Trump. Acrimonious accusations of infiltration are overwhelmingly fallacious.

      [–]LateralusYellowClassy Ancap 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      To recruit obviously.

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      [–]tysonmoorewood 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Ancaps are more open to the red pill than other groups.

      [–]psykocrime 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Alt-right'ers are morons, don't waste your time on them.

      [–]stumpbunnyCapitalist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's because they got off on pushing the buttons of whiny little faggots.

      The alt-right movement is basically the love child of 4chan and this guy.

      Downvote them, don't comment on their posts or reply to their comments, and post quality content to the sub and they'll move on to easier targets.

      [–]ArdubinstonNational Liberal 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Because given the fact many ancaps tend to be socially conservative jack holes in disguise, it's simply the next rational step.

      [–]_innawoodsCrypto-Anarchist -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Honestly.......

      because most of them are cucks.

      Funny, isn't it? I'm very sympathetic to the ideals of white identity/nationalism, I just think that is best achived within a stateless framework. But these people want to take the easy way out and delude themselves into thinking big daddy (((Donald J. Trump))) is gonna make it happen for them. And that's what's going to fuck them in the end.

      Sad.

      [–]CapitalJusticeWariorBreaking the chains of death. 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      And that's what's going to fuck them in the end.

      Not only them, but their wives too.

      They believe State implemented eugenics and that the only morality that exists is what is good for society. This means it would be morally good for them to cuckold their wives to their fearless leader. Clearly no genetics could surpass their leaders.

      [–]uhlimpo -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Ethno-states are incompatible with freedom at all levels. You start by excluding on skin color. Then hair and eye color. Then family. Eventually there is one dude who is lord tyrant and the rest are his slaves.

      We already know that system it's called socialism.

      [–]_innawoodsCrypto-Anarchist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Sigh. I didn't say I was in favor of an ethnostate, did I?

      [–]fashyshub 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      ancap/libertarian is the starring point for people becoming alt right. you realize that you cant keep an ancap society with open borders, then you see that you would need a high trust and high iq society for it to work, you become a race realist, and you learn about the JQ.

      [–]Twoxisretard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The same reason faggots like you come here and complain about dumb fucking shit

      [–]FreeMontanaProject 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Why does anyone come here- seeking information. Help them!

      [–]Psycho_LogicallyVoluntaryist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      It's not that they (we) come here - it's that we never left. Many Alt-Right thinkers count themselves as ex-AnCaps. I really am getting tired of the impudent tantrums people on this sub keep throwing, though. Especially from people who clearly don't even have a laymans understanding of the Alt-Right ideology.

      A great many of us in the Alt-Right are only there as a response - an immune reaction - to the existential threat presented by far-left policies. It's a simple fact (that I won't get into here for brevity's sake) that the White race is on the road to extinction, and Western civilisation will almost certainly die with us. AnCap ideology has no realistic chance of avoiding this eventuality. The Alt-Right does. We can't elect a true libertarian, like it or not, but we CAN elect a nationalist.

      People are pushed toward the Alt-Right essentially out of self-preservation. When the threat is removed, we can all return to our idealistic ideologies of preference, mine being AnCap. The way that I (and probably every other ex-AnCap in the Alt-Right) see it, you're living in a hypothetical fantasy world and you're completely blind to the reality of your situation. In my hypothetical fantasy world, I'm an AnCap, too. In reality, I'm Alt-Right.

      [–]4771cu5 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      This sub isn't about giving people a layman's understanding of the Alt-Right ideology; it's about people understanding anarchocapitalsim. If you don't like the tantrums about the cancerous alt-right shit-posts, you can unsubscribe and maybe this sub can get back to being about anarcho-capitalism. This sub has really been unbearable for the last year.

      [–]Psycho_LogicallyVoluntaryist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm not the one throwing my toys out of the pram and making irrelevant posts about the Alt-Right on the AnCap subreddit, idiot. The cancer of this board are posts titled "why do alt-righters come here?".

      Oh, and also I said that I'm sick and tired of reading about Alt-Right on the AnCap Reddit. Believe it or not, this isn't r/BitchingAboutAltRight. If you had basic reading comprehension, you could have avoided sperging out in your retarded comment reply. People like you make this sub unbearable, please do me a favour and unsubscribe yourself.

      [–]Labore_Et_ConstantiaThis Sub Is ALTRIGHT PROPERTY 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      1.We just want to culturally enrich you

      2.Open borders and no deportation force means we can stay here

      3.We're also fighting altrightophobia

      [–]4771cu5 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      So, you're a troll and have no intention of discussing any ancap ideas.

      [–]princeali97 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      We're all the Right. Most of both groups are conservative socially, pro markets, and anti commie, etc. We have differences in how we get our goals, and sure their view of "race realism" is a lil fubar, but they have a few valid points.

      [–]GalleaniIndividualist Anarchist 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      and sure their view of "race realism" is a lil fubar, but they have a few valid points

      Well Rothbard was a race realist too, so it's not like that's where they diverge.

      RACE! That Murray Book.

      [–]LiamJacksonSmithEpistocratic Capitalist -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      A clear majority (55.6%) believe that there is, at least in some part, a genetic/evolutionary reason that explains the difference in IQ between races/ethnicities

      57.6% believe open borders with minimal immigration control will decrease liberty

      We come here to win arguments and change minds, and we're not tired of winning yet.