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VideoNo Man's Sky "Wins" TotalBiscut's "The Stop Pre-Ordering Video Games Award for Biggest Launch Disaster" Arbitrary Award (youtu.be)

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[–]CounterfeitPampers 193 ポイント194 ポイント  (17子コメント)

I remember TB's stream of this game being pretty brutal. Well, everyone's stream of this game was pretty brutal, but his was especially brutal.

This doesn't surprise me.

[–]AL2009man 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I remember when TB tweeted "No Man's Sky is worst than Arkham Knight" in terms of performance issues.

but I find it pretty damn funny when Hello Games was able to fix a lot of the performance issue faster than Rocksteady/WB. If you still have NMS on your Library, check it out right now and you see what I mean.

[–]ifandbut 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ironically (?) I was playing the game while watching the award show. Figured I'd give it another go over the long weekend with the Foundation update. Had fun for a few hours but now stuck trying to unlock the science station.

[–]OMGROTFLMAO 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Performance issues are the least of the problems with No Man's Sky.

Even when they finally got it to stop crashing constantly on all platforms there's still nothing to do in the game.

[–]silverballer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

check it out right now

Nice try, Sean.

[–]Zlibservacratican 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Is there a link? I'd like to watch it. Thanks.

[–]aybbyisok [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Here.

[–]starrvis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well, everyone's stream of this game was pretty brutal,

Kinda. I remember Reynad's streams of it were him staying positive about it, but eventually his chat just kept spamming how shit the game was.

I don't know if he still has a positive outlook on the game, but I just couldn't tell if he was in some form of denial or really enjoyed it.

There were a lot of cases like this, though for many different reasons. Some streamers make it pretty apparent what their stances are, but when the overall reaction to the game is negative, it's hard to tell which reactions are genuinely positive.

[–]YanniDepper 509 ポイント510 ポイント  (46子コメント)

It's almost borderline insane that after one major content patch, some people have already forgotten just what a pile of flaming dog turd this game was at launch.

Regardless of what the game is like now, it was a complete and utter mess at release, so neither TB or the OP are wrong in stating that.

[–]Zamkavedeko 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Biggest problem isn't just the bad launch.

it is the countless lies in interviews and on twitter about the features NMS is supposed to have all the way up to release date.

[–]originalSpacePirate 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But they got basebuilding now bro. A feature no one wanted in a game still missing content that was promised by HG. That clearly makes the game with the $60 tag great!!

[–]ElComo 123 ポイント124 ポイント  (16子コメント)

I don't understand this narrative. It's not that people are forgetting what happened at launch, it's that this is just a video game and most of the hating was kept alive via drama-fun rather than continued anger. People that were disappointed left their appropriate reviews, attempted to refund the game, and uninstalled it. Since then the majority of them haven't given it another thought. While those that remain are the small community that wasn't disappointed because they bought what they wanted. And those that mostly remain that were disappointed with the launch are really just remenents of the drama that had occurred.

The truth is it's over. NMS is just another game in someone's steam library or game collection for the majority of people out there.

The best thing to come of this game that applies to everyone is to never pre-order videogames, because people haven't forgotten, they just don't invest mental energy into it anymore because it's just a video game.

[–]MyZombieHasAIDS[S] 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (14子コメント)

I can empathize with not understanding the continued hate-jerk for the game.

However, I believe the core of the narrative can be summed up quite nicely in the last sentence of your post:

never pre-order videogames

That's really the core of it. Although there was major salt-farming from the more verbal detractors of the game, there was some equal amount of people vehemently defending it as well. This (I think) coupled with the medium of discussion we use leads to a sort of "smug syndrome" which still hasn't really gone away.

"You pre-ordered the game? Hah, such a shill. Look at how smug I am. It's shit."

"This patch has improved the game, look at how smug I am that you were wrong about HG deserting us."

And so on, so forth. As long as people continue to be super smug about their side of the argument, whichever side it was on, the salt on this sub will forever continue to flow.

[–]Dommy73 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I'd like to add one thing that might've been missed by people:

STOP PREORDERING GAMES WITHOUT SUFFICIENT INFO!

An example of a good preorder could be Civilization VI. The game had ton of independent footage well before release. Enough to make informed decision whether you want to buy it or not.

[–]Posts_while_shitting 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I followed overwatch since the trailer release 2 years ago, watched every single developer update (praise kaplan), watched most of the streamers during closed beta everyday, and played the open beta. Even then I only bought it day one because I don't understand why I would own something I couldn't use for another 2 weeks. Just why... This is one game that I was itching to play since the fucking trailer release lmfao. I played the open beta for 16 hours during the first day because that was how much i loved it. It's not like the game would be sold out or anything because it was all digital.

[–]Taemerlein 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I preordered it because I knew it would be without a doubt my replacement for Lol after 5 minutes of play time in beta. I wanted those sweet preorder only skins

[–]Dommy73 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I usually get my games from local retailer, I like to have the boxes and they usually throw in some cool stuff as well (they managed to get some limited artwork book for Fallout 4, but they also make a lot of their own - usually coffee mugs or t shirts). Their policy for preorders is actually a reservation - you pay when it comes out (including any price changes of course), but you can cancel at any time.

[–]fiction8 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No one ever preorders without thinking they have sufficient info. The tricky part is being right about that feeling.

[–]We_need_a_reminder 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then just don't preorder them. It doesn't make much sense these days anyway. I would preorder games back when you had to, otherwise the local store would run out and wouldn't get another shipment for weeks. Now you can just download it. The little trinkets they sell with the preorder aren't worth it.

[–]Dommy73 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think that anyone with a conscience can say preordering after first CGI trailer is informed in any way. It's just the "hurr durr, new CoD/Battlefield/Pony simulator/Half-Life"...

[–]Akitz [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Civilisation, Pokemon, Legend of Zelda, Elder Scrolls. If I'm going to pre order, I better be getting something extra out of it, and it has to be a name I trust to always put out a game I love like the above.

[–]Dommy73 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

screw name

bethesda's anti-consumer preview copy policy made me not trust any of their games until I see otherwise

btw civ 5 vanilla was kinda bland too, it really needs the expansions to shine

[–]stilllton [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, Civ 6 was sold out everywhere on release. I was so lucky to pre-order it.

[–]ElComo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I actually respectifully say those things but I try not to do so in a malicious way. Rather I like to discuss these things as it's interesting but I'm more interested in avoiding the bias-train as much as possible. I support the game, I have my reasons to why the launch happened, but I also admit the flaws surrounding the whole situation. For instance I believe there are more factors involved with the shitstorm of a release. Sean was unprofessional, I don't believe malicious rather he was stupid and inexperienced. Sony was in charge of marketing, hence I find it very difficult to put all the blame on Sean. Why didn't Sony control this when the game clearly was getting much more popular. Also, not correlated with Sean or Sony but steam should look into the pacing of $60 games to determine at which point a refund is acceptable. For instance NMS should have had 10 hours. But then again what's inflicting Steam to keep it at 2 hours when all they're selling are the rights to software? In the end I don't like looking at these things as a good vs. evil type of thing. I think that's wrong and misleading when trying to figure out the truth.

[–]AL2009man 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

although Sony partly handled the Advertisement and the distribution of the PS4 verison, I believe Sean Murray handled with too many stuffs at once during the development of NMS. I've seen soo many interviews with Sean Murray in just one year and I find it pretty impressive to handled soo many stuffs at once. I'm glad that they're trying to get their shit together, but It's gonna be a while to pulled a "Evolution Studios" pretty soon.

[–]OMGROTFLMAO 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem with Sean Murray is that he just lied out his ass in interviews and said things that were completely false.

[–]superpositionquantum -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Never pre-order anything really is the lesson here. I'm one of the guys who followed the game for a bit over a year and even after all that, I didn't preorder it. I waited, I watched gameplay after it came out and got it anyways. And I still liked it. For what it was and what it is now, it's a decent game. Or at least to me. People not liking it is understandable, I don't like every game that's out there. However, I still can't quite understand how people got so enraged over this. The same shit happened with Evolve over DLC. And I also played a lot of Evolve. It was pretty good game by my standards.

At this point though, I just want all the hate and bullshit to end. The trolls have had their fun, the people who still play NMS have had their's, let's all just move on.

[–]Ultimastar 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's actually a spot on statement. Take an upvote weary traveller, for the night is dark and full of terrors.

[–]McZerky 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I haven't played the new update yet, and I won't - until we get two or three more updates of that size. The foundation was a good start, but if they fail to actually build on it, it's meaningless to me. Freighters and building are not enough for me. Those weren't even part of the game I bought.

[–]malachre 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I didn't preorder, I watched a few people play the game and said "fuck that game!" I told my son that inorder to fix the issue they would have to add in base building and fix the planets. I played a lot of survival, sandbox, and crafting games. When I saw they added base building with a way to get back to your base from anywhere I decided to jump in.

When hello games went silent I told everyone I bet they are working their asses off to save their reputations. A few more updates like this and I think they will salvage the game. Maybe not their reps, but the game.

[–]radiocaravan 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I literally don't understand how basebuilding improved the game for people; if you're willing I'd love to hear why it made the game suddenly a good buy for you.

I am a day one fan of the game but not really versed in the genre overall, so an explanation would help.

[–]malachre [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

For me, I played minecraft (modded) and the most fun I had was finding stuff and bringing it back to my base. Without a base (which was a not possible in some mods) you just felt like you were drifting. It made the things you gather worthless. You only really kept what helped you immediately. I preferred the idea of going out and having an adventure and then returning to my home to place my trophies and rare shit. The freighter alone would have been enough since it could have served as a home base in itself. I like the idea of living on a nice planet though. I don't expect everyone to feel the same, but I never understood why people complain about having new things. My next big wait is for the land vehicles. I really don't want them to add a storyline. that always just takes away from sandbox style games, but I'd probably enjoy it for awhile too.

[–]Grundguetiger [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It would have saved them a great part of the shit storm if they would have started talking to us, which they still refuse to do. They perhaps think this is kind of how cool independent game developers are: misterious, but to me, it's just arrogance.

[–]malachre [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Don't say them. There are lots of people working hard and only one or two with the power to talk to us. Honestly all I want them to say is that they are working on another update and the expected release date of that update. I could care less what else they say. I hate how people blame an entire company for the fault of one or two people. Lots of artists worked their asses off. Only one made the choice to release the game a year too soon.

[–]silencesc 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And yet Astroneer has made a better NMS and their game is a third the price and only in alpha. Shiny patches can't fix nms: you can't put tin foil on a pile of shit and tell me it's silver cause silver don't stink.

[–]originalSpacePirate 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dunno why you got downvoted, NMS fucked up and created a void that other game companies rightfully should take advantage of. Astroneer is exactly doing that. The devs have been very upfront about what the game is and isnt and engage quite a bit with the community. Its very much an EA title and still a long way to go. But atleast they're fucking honest about it.

[–]NerdRising 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And they still didn't put in most of what was promised, AND shown just month before the game came out!

[–]PuppetOfFate 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

That one patch added a ton more to do and made it much more fun.

[–]radicalelation 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It did, but it doesn't forgive everything prior. I absolutely love buying Early Access games, so I'm not one to get up in arms about paying for unfinished products, but that's when they're advertised as such.

I paid $60 for NMS, and I would like the game I was sold. I at least wouldn't have preordered if the demo videos either were said to be alpha and not indicative of the final product, or maybe even if no one had said, "Yes, this is in the game right now!"

But no, we were told it's fully functional, we were getting the things they were showing, and, well, that's not what we got.

I'm fine personally giving Hello Games the benefit of the doubt because why fuss about it, my money is gone already, I might as well enjoy what I did get, but I understand the people who are still upset, and I certainly won't defend the game or devs any time soon.

[–]EntropicalResonance 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah crappy base building on an exploration game. Didn't do anything for the major flaws in actual gameplay.

It's like adding a character customizer in single player doom, a game that you don't actually see your own character.

[–]DoctorWaluigiTime 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't fork money over to a swindler because they gave you a little something after the fact.

[–]therealflinchy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Is the game worth buying/playing now it's cheap?

Did the added content make it less of a crushing disappointment?

[–]thexvoid [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No. It is now just a crushing disappointment with two equally pointless side activities. You can build bases. Why? To have a base in this game with no gameplay or real purpose. You can use a freighter to sell stuff. Why? To have money to buy bigger ships. It's still a shell

[–]swill128 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

not at all. a game has a beginning middle and end. at least to me.

if youre like me, then no - the game blows. if you think titanfall or overwatch are good, then maybe?

[–]dubalubdub -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

-Personal judgement call.

-Absolutely, whole new game.

[–]originalSpacePirate 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dont understand how you can claim its a whole new game just because they added base building

[–]datchilla -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Civ V was suppose to have multiplayer when it was launched, it didn't. You had to use hamachi or something else to play with friends. They added in the ability to host and play multiplayer games a year after the games release.

As long as game gets fixes and updates, it's ok.

No one forgot NMS's shit show, in fact many people sat there for months after it came out and just circle jerked how bad the release was. Now people are over it.

[–]DoctorWaluigiTime 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

As long as game gets fixes and updates, it's ok.

You don't give money to a grifter even if he eventually comes back and gives you something kinda sorta what you wanted (the NMS update didn't even do that).

[–]datchilla [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

NMS is like paying a guy to build you a house with certain specs, and after 5 years you come back and the house is nowhere near being where he said it would be, so you're angry. But then he says he's done a big update and the house you already payed for is a little more complete.

[–]Mach1mor -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who cares?? Lots of games are disasters at launch. Many improve over time. I'd much rather get the game I hoped for, even if deliever piecemeal than constantly dwell on what the launch was like

[–]PaleFlyer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was telling my coworker about this exact thing on Wednesday...

[–]benalexnewman 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because its just a game and not something super serious. Its fun now so thats what really matters to me.

[–]speaks_your_mind 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Regardless of what the game is like now, it was a complete and utter mess at release

Why bother responding to a comment when you can't be bothered to read what it says?

[–]_Nasna -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not really. The most upvoted post recently was criticising just this, so the people that remain are probably just the vocal minority.

[–]ElDuderino2112 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And deservingly so.

[–]_BataLeon_ 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sums it up quite nicely!

[–]WesBur13 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well hey at least it won an award after releasing!

[–]Myster-M 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's nice.

[–]bobmuto [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He mentions spore being a letdown; Was spore a bad game? I remember it being pretty dope when I was a kid.

[–]MacForADay 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

A bad game is one that begins and ends and you go "meh" and forget about it. NMS is a beautiful but grossy incomplete work of art. That is the main reason people were/are mad about it, because it was so incomplete at launch, but it is also the trait that is keeping people interested (though many refuse to admit it), the prospect of seeing what it might still become.

[–]khartael 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

NMS is not a beautiful work of art, though. It is exactly the sort of game you would go "meh" and forget about -- Steam is littered with dozens of uninspiring games just like it.

Millions of dollars in marketing, however, made all the difference.

[–]Oz70NYC [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The only games I ever preorder are WWE2K games, cuz I know what I'm getting, and I've bought every game since the first one on PS1. Aside from that...never again. Preordered Destiny and wad initially disappointed. Preordered The Division...same story. Preordered NMS...ditto. Thankfully all 3 are in better places then they were at launch...but I'm done with preorders.

[–]futtinutti [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well deserved, much potential, but feels more like a tech demo than an actual game. If they had priced it at $20, they would've made the same amount of money and people would forgive receiving an unfinished game with many features missing.

[–]HughJaynusIII [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I like NMS now, and I will continue to pre-order if I like. Mass Effect Andromeda for sure.

Don't really give a shit what others think. I don't always pre-order games, but when I do, it works out.

[–]RogerSmith123456 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have been unsullied by the pre-patch version and am now looking forward to experiencing this game.

[–]OMGROTFLMAO 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's still a boring grind fest, the only difference is that now it's a boring grind-fest with pointless bases and freighters.