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[–]ItsLittyLitLit 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Contrary to popular belief on this sub, there are middle class families that do live in Boston.

[–]Drunkelves 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

But the vast majority of new families don't stick around because the school system is atrocious.

[–]ItsLittyLitLit 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wouldn't go as far and say the school system is atrocious. I am aware that are better school districts but, there are definitely school districts that are alot worse than Boston's. There are definitely some great schools in Boston too-most notably BLS, BLA, and the O'B. But top to bottom I see what your saying.

[–]rimloggerAllston/Brighton 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am a graduate of the BPS system, Class of 2009. BLA alum as well.

The school system around isn't atrocious, it's just very mediocre, especially at the high school level. Elementary/middle school is alright from my experience, but high school is where everything slips through the cracks around here.

BLS is the cream of the crop high school for BPS - it's generally regarded as equal, but not superior to a lot of the top suburban high schools around the area, like Wellesley High School, Newton North, Newton South, Dover-Sherborn, etc. In some ways the suburban high schools are superior because they have more programs and funding but BLS has a very active alumni donor base, which mitigates it somewhat.

As for BLA and O'Bryant, they are very middling. Not great, but not bad either. Most of the kids I do know turned out fine - I don't know anyone from my high school class who is dead, in prison, or unemployed. (Someone from my class was arrested last year for being accessory to a gang shooting, but that's outside of the norm.) Most went to college, some are making a lot of money, and some (like me) have found modest success.

And then you have the rest of the high schools of varying quality - I know Brighton High is alright, but the Burke, English... those are just terrible high schools with demoralized staff and poor performing students. A couple of months ago, a student at the Burke was murdered a few blocks away from the school, just as class was letting out for the day.

[–]Red-helixMilton 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The school system is not atrocious, they're going extinct which is even worse. Gentrification torpedoes the local population of children. Every time a hip new cafe opens in Southie, a school within a 2 mile radius shutters.

[–]Beatcanks -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really? Show me. I'll wait....

[–]asalvuSouth Shore 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

"No private schools"

I'm curious why you believe this. For the record, I went to a private Jesuit high school in Boston, so I am heavily biased. The majority of students there came from middle class families. Sure, there was some kids who came from wealthy families but they were rare. The school actually gives out a very large amount of financial aid to families in the city. I had quiet a few classmates who were first generation Americans.

The education I received at my school far exceeded any education I could receive at a public school. (The Jesuits know a lot about education.) Partly because the students wanted to be there and wanted to do well, as well as having teachers that were passionate about teaching.

Not everyone can afford an expensive education, I understand that. My parents paid for it because they viewed it as an investment; pay for high school and get a scholarship to college. Seems unfair to say one can not have a good education because others can not afford the same education as you.

[–]Red-helixMilton 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I went to BC High too and most of those kids are loaded.

[–]Mitch_from_BostonG.B.A. -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nice try, Mr. Hughes.

[–]Blackbearr5022[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your last sentence would be my answer.

Also, I don't mean to discount, but I am highly skeptical that any majority at a private school was middle class and not, at the least, upper-middle.

No private schools = everyone in society has to care about the well being of our public education. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVCTqgrFIPs

[–]proper4wd 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is so millennial it hurts.

[–]pillbinge 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does that mean it's wrong? Would you argue that Boston isn't building luxury apartments and not affordable housing? Or that there isn't a homeless epidemic? Or drug for that matter? Is Boston taking any steps to really curb our carbon footprint beyond throwing bad words at conservatives, even though lazy Democrats are no different?

Would you say we don't need bikes, or that the city needs more cars? More charter schools?

Because you sound like a dickhead trying to gloss over issues that make you uncomfortable by making a generalization about a group that doesn't actually exist.

[–]mrbostn 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Title is a "bit" dramatic to say the least. I guess you checked the box to pay the higher MA tax rate of 5.85%?

[–]FallenLeafDemon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which cities have less homelessness than Boston?

[–]Milkshakemaker 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Abandoning the Democratic Party/running primaries on all D's because they legit f-ing suck.

Yeah...That's where you lost me. Doing that's not going to hinder the influx of "rich, white, old people" or our carbon footprint or help rent control.

[–]Blackbearr5022[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except in Democratic dominate MA and Boston the problem is worse than it is in divided ME (I've lived in both). These are DINO's.

We need a third party to seriously challenge the MA D's to force them back into working-class politics. Either the Greens or Socialist Alternative.

The Dems need to be the party of FDR/Bernie, not Bill or Hillary Clinton.

[–]BostonUrbExRevere 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The people helping facilitate Boston's shift towards being a place for the wealthy is arguably the fault of the very people who try to prevent change. I'm tired of seeing local townies and old retirees running the show, putting their foot down on new development, and then my rent goes up every year. Get fucked, townies.

[–]Blackbearr5022[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Old people suck.

Many townies might, too.

[–]FuckBernieSanders420GBA 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

ripping on "townies" on r/boston, so brave

[–]mrbostn 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Want to live among the poor with cheap housing? Detroit, Cleveland, Akron, Scranton, and many more.

Desirable cities are always expensive. Boston, SF, NYC, Chicago, Paris, London, Geneva to name a few. There will always be poor people in rich cities and rich people in poor cities.

Boston is a fine city reasonably well run, and always ranks high in the Best of Places to live.

[–]FAthrowaway617 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Boston has basically become a city of transient wealthy, transient college students, and the subsidized poor that are here to serve the wealthy via low end jobs. Anything else and you're going to have a very hard time making it in the city proper.

Edit: my mom was visiting a couple weeks ago and we stayed at a hotel in back bay. She commented that she was disappointed in the lack of Christmas lights in all the apartments and brownstones. I noticed it too, and realized... it's because few people truly "live" in this city any more, and fewer still raise families here, and Christmas decorations usually are at least in part done for the kids. Anyway... it was kind of a sobering moment about the state of the city and community as a whole.

[–]an1237on 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (7子コメント)

because few people truly "live" in this city any more, and fewer still raise families here,

That is direct contrast to population and vacancy data.

[–]FAthrowaway617 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

True. What I mean is people that are making Boston their " home" though, not where they own investment property, or where they crash for a few years to further their careers or educations and bounce to the next locale. It's just shifting demographics, I guess. I realize there are plenty of people in the city.

[–]an1237on 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I agree but I'm inclined to believe that that trend isn't Boston specific. Nobody these days wants to raise a family downtown in any city.

Not sure how to analyze that quantitatively though.

[–]Blackbearr5022[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think that's totally inaccurate. Everyone I have interacted with would like to live close if not in downtown. It's just no one can afford it.

[–]an1237on 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm assuming you're talking about people in their 20s? Everyone I know likes to live in the city until they're about 30 and then move to the suburbs to raise their children and commute.

[–]Blackbearr5022[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope. Everyone of all ages.

[–]FallenLeafDemon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nobody these days wants to raise a family downtown in any city.

Manhattan?

[–]ItsLittyLitLit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The second part is definitely true though

[–]towngirl808 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just returned from vacationing in Boston, stayed at a lovely hotel in Back Bay and was stunned at all the Christmas lights. Way more than in my home city. Boston is one of the prettiest cities at Christmastime.

[–]Blackbearr5022[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tourists staying in back bay = part of the problem.

[–]antireligiouscomment -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What does it matter if people aren't actually living here? So long as they pay property taxes they are free to be anywhere they want. As long as the streets look nice and tourists come in, it is perfectly fine.

[–]FAthrowaway617 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Unless you enjoy an actual community. It's just feels almost like the Disney Epcot version of a city at this point. To me anyway.

[–]antireligiouscomment -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is exactly what I hope it turns into. Disney is awesome. Contrary to what a lot of people say, technology has connected us in such a profound way that we don't need to resort to talking to the neighbors in order to keep ourselves stimulated. Enjoy it while it lasts. We are only going to become more divided as the technology becomes more invasive. Heck, once virtual reality truly develops, going into the real world will be as rare as a trip to Disney. Haha, maybe I'm just too blown away by the fact that the new desktop PCs at work are the size of a modem...

[–]GronamTheOxOut in the soul-sucking suburbs 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Massachusetts voted down rent control statewide in a referendum in 1995, ending about 30 years of rent control. In 1999, apartment occupancy in Cambridge and Somerville was up over 97% and rents were skyrocketing in the first tech bubble.

Good luck getting it voted back in.

Being the City of the Future means the city is expensive. NYC, London, Paris, SF, Berlin, all are very expensive.

[–]Blackbearr5022[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We can try.

None of those are cities of the future. MAYBE Berlin. Cities like Seattle, Portland, Medellin, Rotterdam, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Stockholm, Helsinki, Minneapolis, Havana, Singapore, Vienna, etc., etc. >>>>> all the cities you named in thinking forwards, quality of life, sustainability, affordability, and growth.

You just named other 1%er cities where wealth is concentrated.

[–]ShortageOfSand 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Who's going to pay for all that

[–]pillbinge 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everyone, with a higher percentage coming from people making more money. Easy.

[–]Blackbearr5022[S] -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fair question! Think of it first and foremost as a wish-list for now.

But, if we decrease spending on prisons, actually implement and thus gain tax revenue from the marijuana legalization, and consider higher corporate tax rates then we may be on our way/

[–]Drunkelves 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's so simple. I can't believe nobody has come with that idea.

[–]dj2short 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Lol make more money ked, your problems are solved. Also, "Boston is dying" title should only be used for the next plague or nuclear strike, your drama is falling out of your pockets moreso than mothers pasta.

[–]FuckBernieSanders420GBA 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

IDIOT DETECTOR TO FULL POWER

[–]an1237on 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (11子コメント)

You think poverty, racism, homelessness, and affordability are bad now - then just wait until you implement rent controls, high minimum wages, "urban gardens" and closing most of the city to cars.

[–]Blackbearr5022[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

elaborate?

[–]an1237on 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

All of those solutions would cause the local economy to crash further exasperating those issues.

[–]Blackbearr5022[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Weird. Seattle seems to be doing well. Minneapolis seems to be doing well. Reykjavik, Copenhagen, Medellin, Stockholm, Helsinki, Amsterdam, etc., all seem to be doing well.

[–]an1237on 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm not familiar with the laws in the foreign cities but I'm guessing that none of them have full fledged rent controls.

In the US only San Francisco and NYC have real rent controls and they are coincidentally the two most expensive real estate markets. Funny.

I also know that Seattle and Minneapolis haven't closed off car traffic downtown.

Raising minimum wages is a marginal employment issue. Yes it's not going to crash the economy, but at the same time it's going to result in a reduction in the number of minimum wage hours and the quality and level of local services.

[–]Blackbearr5022[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Strawman arguments. Well done.... /s

[–]an1237on 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

YOU'RE THE ONE THAT BROUGHT THOSE CITIES UP AS EXAMPLES!

You've got to be a troll.

[–]Blackbearr5022[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You mentioned TWO cities of those I listed.

https://www.fastcoexist.com/3060998/change-generation/experimental-city-how-rotterdam-became-the-world-leader-in-sustainable-urb

http://readwrite.com/2016/12/03/helsinki-bringing-smart-city-innovation-core/ [car less by 2025- the city!]

https://www.fastcoexist.com/3040634/7-cities-that-are-starting-to-go-car-free

"Oh but THESE TWO HAVEN'T!!!" Who the fuck cares? How does that add to your argument? It doesn't. Not at all. Your logos is lacking. A car-less downtown creates a more friendly environment for pedestrians and cyclists. It creates more space! And it lowers our carbon footprint.

[–]an1237on 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You mentioned TWO cities of those I listed.

Because, as I explained: I am unfamiliar with the others. Unlike you, I only discuss things that I have an expertise in. But nonetheless you listed those two as evidence when they do not conform to your criteria.

"Oh but THESE TWO HAVEN'T!!!" Who the fuck cares? How does that add to your argument? It doesn't. Not at all. Your logos is lacking.

I elaborated with evidence, rather than a meaningless list of cities that illustrated your unfamiliarity with the subject and laziness regarding research.

A car-less downtown creates a more friendly environment for pedestrians and cyclists. It creates more space! And it lowers our carbon footprint.

No doubt. But at the same time it would cause a mass exodus of businesses that can no longer get workers to come in, or deliveries made. Plus there would be a huge issue with overspill parking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_car-free_places

You'll notice that the only city that comes close in terms of population is Quebec. But they only have a small section closed off for part of the day.....kind of like....idk....DTX?

[–]Blackbearr5022[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You are wrong on all accounts, buddy.

They did not conform to every single thing I suggested, it wasn't a "they all have all of this."

You provided no evidence. lmao.

It would not cause an exodus. That is 100% speculation and, simply, wrong.

lmaooooo wikipedia. YOU DID IT. YOU WON. /s Are you kidding me?

Helsinki has a population of ~600,000. Pretty damn close to Boston, bud. Rotterdam = ~610,000. Hmmmm. Stockholm = ~800,000 and Vienna = ~1.7 million. Prague = ~1.3 million. The list goes on and on, ALL FROM YOUR SOURCE. LMAO. Who is lazy?

All of those cities have car-less downtowns, all are growing, and all great places to live according to every damn global study.

[–]antireligiouscomment 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The reason that this city is for the rich is because this city creates rich people. It happens everywhere. The poor are going to be forced out at a faster and faster pace and I am just fine with that. We have one of the nicest spots on the planet. If you are making 35k a year, you are in the global 1%. If you haven't travelled outside the US, I recommend it. You will realize just how lucky you are to even have a chance at living in a place like Boston.

[–]tronald_dump 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The poor are going to be forced out at a faster and faster pace and I am just fine with that.

W E W.

You will realize just how lucky you are to even have a chance at living in a place like Boston.

bitch, I was born here. I was here long before any of yall realized what a nice place this was. the gall of people like you waltzing in here with your comp sci degrees that your parents financed, and spewing shit like "I dont care about poor people being pushed out", and "you dont know how lucky you are to even have a chance to live here" is beyond out of touch.

If you haven't travelled outside the US, I recommend it.

oh then maybe we can all be as enlightened, and logical as you. poor/working class people are connected here, and I doubt they're gonna cast aside generations of connections, because of your neoliberal fantasyland, where people are magically able to just uproot their lives on a whim to head to greener pastures.

Y I K E S.

[–]pillbinge 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The poor are going to be forced out at a faster and faster pace and I am just fine with that.

Many people would also be fine with your suicide after writing something so stupid it gives the average reader stomach pain.

If you are making 35k a year, you are in the global 1%.

Uh, okay? So you'd wager that because people worse off than you aren't the worst we have on the other side of the planet, they shouldn't complain. Gotcha, Ayn Rand. Never mind that that isn't how it works. It's about what items cost in terms of a percentage of your income. Being able to afford the nicest place in a rundown part of Africa doesn't mean shit if you can't actually pay that price in Boston. It's relative. If we all made $100k a year, we'd be better off, but the economics of another country doesn't factor in.

If you haven't travelled outside the US, I recommend it.

I have! Lived in Sweden, Russia, Germany and Switzerland for a bit. I vacation in Norway frequently. Man, do they tax people pretty well, and solve many of the problems you think we don't have!

You will realize just how lucky you are to even have a chance at living in a place like Boston.

Well OP lives near you so they aren't that lucky.

[–]Blackbearr5022[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have done so. I was amazed at how BAD we have it, not how good. More alienation, more stress, more obesity, less family time, less free time, less healthcare, less education, more homelessness, etc., etc.

[–]Mitch_from_BostonG.B.A. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I agree with some of these things. Rent control, 100% agree. The current system does nothing but benefit slumlords, by allowing them to raise rents hundreds of dollars per year, with little to no reinvestment back into their properties. Perhaps we need legislation such as "Rent can only be increased per year by X per month, provided that 12X is reinvested back into the dwelling over the course of that year" or something.

I disagree with the MW increase though. MW is what is killing this city. The reason why we have more and more 1%ers living here, the reason why we have more and more luxury apartments going up, the reason why we are seeing the genocide of the middle class is directly because we are legislating the middle class out of existence. Wage hikes do little but funnel more money to the upper class. Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Give a man an ever-increasing supply of fish, and the fishermen are going to retire filthy wealthy.

What we need is to enact pro-American economic policies to help stagnate inflation. Instead of giving more and more of our money to foreign nations, to raise them up and make them wealthy, while our fellow Americans continually become poorer and poorer (save for the 1%ers with their investments in those foreign nations and banks, of course) we need policies which provide economic influx in the American economy. Continually raising the minimum wage every few years does nothing but delay the inevitable; mass poverty.

[–]Blackbearr5022[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm not sure why you think MW increases leads to an increase in 1%ers? Genuinely interested in hearing more.

I agree, too, that the emphasis needs to be on American investment. Foreign investment/foreign aid are both designed to make other nations dependent on the USA. Perhaps it does that, but either way it is a tool of the 1% and that money can be better used domestically. But I guess that is more of a Fed issue.

Back to the MW: greater wages means greater spending power which means a healthier economy. McDonalds/Dunkin/Whole Foods CEO's continue to see their profits soar while workers struggle more and more.

[–]Mitch_from_BostonG.B.A. -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

To grossly oversimplify; the more money in the hands of poor people, the more money spent by poor people. And where does that money go? It goes to McDonalds, WalMart, BestBuy, etc. Aftetall, why do you think people like Hillary Clinton et al are so strongly in favor of wage hikes?

You're right that greater wages means greater spending power, but it also means greater pricing power. That BigMac goes up in price every time the minimum wage increases, simply because the company knows that the public can afford to pay more for their lunch now. And sure, it is great that the employee of McDonalds gets a wage hike, but extend that BigMac price increase across the board. His lunch goes up, his cost of groceries goes up, his rent goes up...is he really any better off than he was before? Not to mention the guy managing that McDonalds. Sure, he's not making minimum wage, but he still loses his purchasing power once prices on all these products and services goes up.

Meanwhile, the fatcats sitting atop these corporations just see their quarterly earnings increase and increase, because people are spending more money (because they think they have more money, when in reality they have less) while we all get poorer.

But nah, its cool. The government can then just come along and redistribute 50% of the federal budget towards being "charitable" towards third world nations filled with millionaires and billionaires who have no responsibility for their own people, as that is our responsibility.

[–]Blackbearr5022[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, idk. I'm not sold. I appreciate the depth of your comment and your sincerity. But I just disagree a bit. I think if the poor made more money they'd be less likely to spend it on places you mentioned. Of course, more money would be spent and profits may go up but the wealth gap would decrease which is the bigger problem. 1950's America: the highest MW relative to the era/inflation/COL, the golden age of American unions, and the heyday of the American middle class.

[–]Mitch_from_BostonG.B.A. -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well yeah, they had very low inflation. We need deflation.

[–]CodmanHyperCube -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

no way Chinese slumlord can raise rent 100s of dollars a year until they electrify the Fairmount line and the nightly Mount Bowdoin Draper / Dudley Street shootouts cease. renting something undesirable is only about 70% more than similar hoods in Providence like 1700 for a 3br instead of 1000. seems like buying a tripledecker is a much steeper premium on BOS vs PVD, proably beacuse condoization potential is factored into price or smth. but a 70% increase in rent for about 7000% increase in jobs sign me up, as imperfect as the world is. the economy can always turn around and there's all this new supply coming online. can we finish DotBlock before Taleb sneezes?

[–]pillbinge 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The only thing that makes me despair more is the fact that middle class working folk from the area with a lot to lose keep voting in and supporting the same stupid shit that's hurt them for years. I know people in Southie and Charlestown and Everett and beyond who keep voting for the same boring politicians. They're also Democrats, but they aren't leftists. Their liberal policies stop short of themselves - which is barely acceptable.

Liberals. "Ten degrees to the left in good times, ten degrees to the right when it affects them personally." Phil Ochs. Except he didn't account for people who are ten degrees to the right in good times, create bad times, and complain about Mexicans. Of which Boston doesn't really have.

[–]HookersForDahl2017 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Boston is not dying...it is already dead. Supreme Chancellor Baker just took your marijuana votes and shoved it up your pothead asses. That's what kings and legends do. They don't care that you peasants want to give out marijuana candy bars to 11 year old children. Baker will push the bill back and back and eventually make marijuana a crime again; as it should be. The city and surrounding cities do not need any more beanie wearing, bike riding hipsters grabbing coffee at these organic bullshit places. Baker will shut them down, eliminate marijuana induced rape, and make Boston a prosperous city once again.

[–]persona_dos 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey can you tell me who's giving away free edibles? Thanks.

[–]michaelcowin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

make marijuana a crime again; as it should be

What about the immense medical benefits

eliminate marijuana induced rape

So he should do the same for alcohol, correct?