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[#21|+1713|224] No, you're not "nonbinary", "both/neither gender", "a third gender", "genderfluid", etc. [/r/TrueOffMyChest] (reddit.com)

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[–]SexFlez 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (4子コメント)

woah a controversial opinion on a sub about controversial opinions we cant have that

[–]LeaChan 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah I got banned for it too, and the mods aren't responding to me asking which rule I broke :(

[–]SwallowRP 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

LOL! Social Justice Retards have plagued everything

[–]Mastercodex199 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's so fucked up.

[–]ThePedanticCynic 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's only controversial in the minds of the mentally ill. To the rest of us this is common sense. I can't even believe it had to be said.

[–]MyPoopIsBig 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (1子コメント)

From their sidebar:

Rule 1. This is a place where all who want to get something off their chest, can get something off their chest. The Mods at /r/TrueOffMyChest will never enforce any rules that exclude any race/gender/etc. or other views from posting in /r/TrueOffMyChest. We ask that you do the same.

This subreddit is not considered a safe space for any particular group. If you are in need of one, the original /r/offmychest maintains one. All posts, besides blatant trolls, are allowed and we will not take them down.

lol

[–]BlueSignRedLight 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right? Never been to that sub before, but damn that was a funny sidebar. Mods there are as bad as those in /r/news

[–]FrontpageWatch[S] 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can only be a BOY or a GIRL.

But before you call me transphobic, I acknowledge that transgendered people do exist, but the only kind of trans that exists is if you've transitioned from male to female or female to male, In which case you're still identify as a BOY or a GIRL. Such transition is a treatment for GENDER DYSPHORIA which is a mental disorder that must be diagnosed by an actual doctor.

Actual trans people don't wake up and go,"I feel like a girl today!" They constantly feel like they're in the wrong body and have horrible dysphoria and depression surrounding it, and often don't realize they're trans until they seek professional help and are diagnosed.

You are not "nonbinary" because you wear masculine clothes even though you're a girl, you are a girl who wears masculine clothes. If you were born a girl, you are a girl unless you are DIAGNOSED with gender dysphoria, then are are a biological female who IDENTIFIES as a boy.

Also a lot of people are turning to the "nonbinary" trend because they feel they're somehow fighting gender roles this way, but you're actually ENFORCING them because by saying,"I'm genderfluid because I dress masculine", you're saying women who identify as women can only wear feminine clothes, because if they don't they're not women.

If you REALLY want to fight gender stereotypes, then say,"I am a proud woman that wears masculine clothes." because in that case you're breaking the stereotype that women only wear feminine clothes.

And before you call me a "cis het male" or whatever I'm a "cis bi woman".

I have no shame being lg[B]t, but Jesus I'm so sick of people in the community claiming they're a third gender and insisting I use their pronouns.

Stop it, get some help.

Edit: Since people keep asking "but what about intersex???": Intersex is a whole different topic, they're probably the only pass I have for one not identifying as boy or girl but most of them either identify as intersex or choose to identify as boy or girl, so they're still not any of the made up gender identities I meantioned in my original post.

[–]LeaChan 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Uugh fuck dude I don't even want to look at this I didn't think the post would get as much attention as it did I just wanted to vent about my retarded opinion

[–]LtLabcoat 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wait, did you delete this or did the mods?

[–]cojoco 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Says "removed", which means it was the mods.

[–]LeaChan 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Mods took it down despite it breaking no rules...

[–]Lonota 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It broke the rules of not following the mod's secret rules.

[–]IronicSpeech 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just came from undelete, and I have to say, don't be discouraged by mods deleting opinions they don't like.

I stand completely behind you, and applaud you for having the courage of getting it off your chest despite the possible backlash you could've gotten. Don't get discouraged by moderators trying to modify public discourse, and know that you're not villanous or evil for having certain beliefs!

[–]Sajl6320 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No! That's what they want. Your opinion isn't retarded. There's nothing wrong with it but they want you to believe there is so they can feel special.

[–]Xeno4494 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I disagree decidedly with the poster, but it should absolutely have been left up. Stifling this discussion is not the way to approach the topic.

[–]Minobull 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I kinda agree.

But that's the thing, by deleting this all that happened is they stopped the discussion and removed people's ability to talk and change minds.

[–]ChateauJack 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They don't seek dialogue, they don't want people to question their propaganda taught in gender study classes.

[–]Shryke2a 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (22子コメント)

This is the worst way to tackle this issue I've ever seen.

[–]ThePedanticCynic 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (21子コメント)

It's not an issue, it's a mental illness. We don't tackle schizophrenia by agreeing with the schizophrenic that yes, there are ants carrying your food across town to a homeless bear.

[–]LeaChan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Okay I wasn't wanting to continue the discussion but being trans and having schizophrenia are two totally different mental illnesses and you can't treat every mental illness the same way.

Letting people with gender dysphoria transition has proven to be basically the only effective way for their horrible symptoms (dysphoria, depression, etc.) to diminish.

They've tried everything for conditioning to electroshock therapy and nothing has made people just stop having gender dysphoria besides transitioning.

My point in the original post is that people who claim to be a third gender or whatever ARE NOT mentally I'll because they don't have gender dysphoria. They're PRETENDING to be mentally ill because they think it's cool and it pisses me off.

But as far as actual trans people go, yes letting them transition to the opposite sex is the way to handle it if you don't want them to suffer.

[–]ThePedanticCynic 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Letting people with gender dysphoria transition has proven to be basically the only effective way for their horrible symptoms (dysphoria, depression, etc.) to diminish.

The suicide rates of trans people don't change post op and remain around 40%. This means that the 'treatment' of changing genders doesn't change anything but their perceived gender.

They've tried everything for conditioning to electroshock therapy and nothing has made people just stop having gender dysphoria besides transitioning.

Not true. It doesn't change suicide rates.

My point in the original post is that people who claim to be a third gender or whatever ARE NOT mentally I'll because they don't have gender dysphoria. They're PRETENDING to be mentally ill because they think it's cool and it pisses me off.

I would say pretending to be a specific kind of mentally ill is in itself a mental illness. Some form of munchausens syndrome for the masses? Attention seeking, for sure.

[–]LeaChan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The suicide rates of trans people don't change post op and remain around 40%. This means that the 'treatment' of changing genders doesn't change anything but their perceived gender.

No treatment is 100% effective. Many people with depression commit suicide even after extensive therapy and strong medication use. And gender dysphoria is a very strong mental illness, much more complicated than depression. Why should the percentage it DOES help be denied it just because it fails sometimes?

I would say pretending to be a specific kind of mentally ill is in itself a mental illness. Some form of munchausens syndrome for the masses? Attention seeking, for sure.

Yes, but they're still faking being transgendered which was my point.

[–]ThePedanticCynic 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No treatment is 100% effective.

I agree, but this is 0% effective. Would you continue to buy a product with a 0% success rate?

Why should the percentage it DOES help be denied it just because it fails sometimes?

It doesn't fail sometimes, it fails every time. Depression is likely the underlying cause, or perhaps something else (bi-polar? schizophrenia?), so treat that more rigorously and don't go for the body mutilation stuff. Find out what is actually going on there and treat that. Don't hand-wave a mental illness.

[–]LeaChan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What? 0%? Where's your source there? Pretty sure there's many trans people who are happy and still alive, I know several.

And no, depression is not likely the underlying cause. Many people with diagnosed clinical depression take their life every year, my father has clinical depression and it can be extremely awful.

And I wasn't talking about "mody mutilation", believe it or not the wide majoroty of trans people never go under the knife, like 99% of them just crossdress and take some hormones.

[–]thejunesun 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a temporary Band-Aid.

[–]ChateauJack 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The fucking trans cabal, man. 0.3% of the population, but they managed to convince most people disagreeing with pseudo-science on gender studies make them transphobic somehow.

Kafka-trans-kin.

[–]Squiddy_titties 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Every sub has their limits, it was probably making them look bad to r/all to have that up.

[–]TaintedSquirrel 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe true but that's also a bigger problem. Why does this post look bad on /r/all? We only tolerate one-sided opinions on this website now?

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