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[–]CaptainCrackbaby 220 ポイント221 ポイント222 ポイント 7時間前 (31子コメント)
Lead Agent: [to NAMBLA leader] We've been after you for a long time, buddy! Do you know your rights?
NAMBLA Leader: Rights? Does anybody know their rights? You see, I've learned something today. Our forefathers came to this country because...they believed in an idea. An idea called "freedom." They wanted to live in a place where a group couldn't be prosecuted for their beliefs. Where a person can live the way he chooses to live. You see us as being perverted because we're different from you. People are afraid of us, because they don't understand. And sometimes it's easier to persecute than to understand.
Kyle: Dude, you have sex with children!
NAMBLA Leader: We are human. Most of us didn't even choose to be attracted to young boys. We were born that way. We can't help the way we are, and if you all can't understand that, well, then, I guess you'll just have to put us away.
Kyle: [slowly, for emphasis] Dude. You have sex with children!
Stan: Yeah. You know, we believe in equality for everybody, and tolerance, and all that gay stuff, but dude, fuck you.
[–]SMFB13 [スコア非表示] 4時間前* (1子コメント)
I happen to love the North American Marlon Brando Look-Alikes
I don't see what the big fuss is about.
[–]GroovyEFSXanophobic - I forgot who I hate but it's probably you [スコア非表示] 3時間前 (0子コメント)
They stole our domain name!
[–]lip_twitch [スコア非表示] 5時間前 (0子コメント)
I didn't know what this was about at first, what NAMBLA was. Reading this, my first instinct was it was some group that advocated for a system like the Germans have, to decriminalize and treat pedophilia (not sex with children, just attraction to children) so that pedophiles don't actually hurt anybody. And I thought South Park was sort of misrepresenting them jokingly by taking the whole 'you fuck children' approach (which wouldn't be true for that type of person).
But nope, NAMBLA is actually about people fucking children. Trying to legalize fucking children. So...I got it wrong. South Park got it right. Sorry for doubting you Matt and Trey.
[–]trinirudeboy 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 7時間前 (7子コメント)
What episode was this?
[–]CaptainCrackbaby 22 ポイント23 ポイント24 ポイント 7時間前 (6子コメント)
Cartman joins NAMBLA
[–]Not_a_kulcha [スコア非表示] 2時間前 (5子コメント)
'Sorry, I'm not interested in being friends with midgets. Midgets piss me off.'
[–]Renk0bNapkin [スコア非表示] 37分前 (4子コメント)
I've used that on grindr so many times
[–]Marvelite0963 [スコア非表示] 12分前 (1子コメント)
Lol u wild. Wyd tho?
[–]Renk0bNapkin [スコア非表示] たった今 (0子コメント)
Kicking names and taking ass
[–]ser_Duncan_the_Donut [スコア非表示] 6分前 (1子コメント)
How many gay midgets are there on Grindr?
[–]Renk0bNapkin [スコア非表示] 1分前 (0子コメント)
I haven't met any. I use it like Cartman did in the episode.
https://youtu.be/TWeIxTbxvP0
[–]kristallnachte [スコア非表示] 2時間前 (18子コメント)
Most of us didn't even choose to be attracted to young boys. We were born that way.
This is actually legit.
Obviously, if they are really so wired to bone prepubescent children, they need to be put away to protect said children.
[–]qulqu [スコア非表示] 2時間前 (13子コメント)
Or at given plenty of options to get treatment and rehabilitation before they act on those desires.
It is not a crime to have bad thoughts and refusing to offer treatment to such people, who are willing to take it, is irresponsible.
[–]kristallnachte [スコア非表示] 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Oh of course. My comment was mostly under the "you fuck children" umbrella. That person isn't able to avoid hurting others.
[–]vreddy92Trans-cendentalist [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (3子コメント)
Sure, but at the very least punishing the crime after the fact offers deterrence that cannot be ignored.
[–]qulqu [スコア非表示] 50分前 (2子コメント)
I feel like mandatory talk therapy should be part of such convictions if they aren't going to be life sentences. Levels of cooperation with the therapy would obviously be part of parole considerations.
Obviously this means getting therapy out of prison needs to be funded by the government (so that getting convicted isn't a path for cheap treatment), but I figure we would rather pay for someone's pedophilia treatment then have more victims.
[–]Charliethebum [スコア非表示] 9分前 (1子コメント)
Or castration. I'm personally in favor of execution for any and all pedophiles, but castration would be nearly as effective
[–]qulqu [スコア非表示] 2分前 (0子コメント)
Uh, should we take the hands off those who commit manslaughter?
Are you going to put the balls back on each person who is exonerated after a sentence is carried out? We have definitely put people on death row who did not belong there, probably killed some, you want to expand that kind of irreparable damage done by the government?
[–]Saxifrage_Russell [スコア非表示] 2時間前 (7子コメント)
Because conversion therapy has worked so well for gays. /s
[–]qulqu [スコア非表示] 2時間前 (6子コメント)
Conversion therapy tries to treat the gay desires away, which is probably impossible because it is an organic aspect of the person as opposed to a conditioned one. Trying to treat someone to not act on a desire is a lot more possible than trying to get rid of the desire itself.
Fucking kids and having consensual sex with people of your own sex are two totally different things. The former is horrible and damages innocent children, and the other is perfectly harmless.
What do you propose doing with someone who says "I have these horrible desires to do unspeakable things to children, I want help to make sure I do not act on them."?
[–]Saxifrage_Russell [スコア非表示] 2時間前 (5子コメント)
Libido-reducing drugs?
[–]qulqu [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (4子コメント)
Okay, well if you have something like that which is effective and not life destroying in its side effects then that is a valid treatment.
I don't understand your reference to gay conversion therapy and its implied lack of efficacy. Gay conversion and treating people who have pedophilic desires are not the same because the later is done to prevent a rather horrible crime.
[–]Saxifrage_Russell [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (3子コメント)
Gay conversion and treating people who have pedophilic desires are not the same because the later is done to prevent a rather horrible crime.
The intentions don't really matter if it's not effective. I don't think all gay conversion programmes were designed to eliminate the desires, as you claimed. I'm pretty sure I've read about some of them where the approach was to acknowledge the desires existed but to just not act on them, and to force yourself to have relationships with women. Sounds pretty similar to how you imagine pedophile conversion would work. I'm just skeptical those interventions can work long term. I think most people who are suppressing their natural desires will eventually reach a breaking point if they have a normal libido. Especially since they can't even watch porn.
[–]qulqu [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (2子コメント)
Well, the alternative is to have some rather nasty things happen to children.
Developing effective treatment for preventing pedophilic behavior should be a priority for anyone who wants sex crimes against children prevented. Either that or making any such crime carry a lifelong term in prison.
Part of the reason that gay conversion is so poorly implemented is because being gay stopped being a psychological disease in the 1970s. The field of psychology was not a science for even a hundred years at that point, and people doing such treatments today are outside the psychology community.
[–]Saxifrage_Russell [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Fair point, if you have professionals working on the problem I could see more effective treatments being developed.
[–]FindanniinToucan lost today [スコア非表示] 28分前 (0子コメント)
Okay, /u/kristallnachte.
[–]cooterbrwn [スコア非表示] 46分前 (2子コメント)
We were born that way.
So tired of this. It can be used to justify pretty much everything.
[–]redwolfy70 [スコア非表示] 3分前 (0子コメント)
It justifies peoples existance and right to a life not locked away for something outside of their control.
Not their actions against other people. Pretty clear if you ask me.
[–]The_Smiley_Doctor [スコア非表示] 11分前 (0子コメント)
Including but not limited to eugenics.
[–]spiritbxCIS scum? My Droideka friends want to have a word with you... [スコア非表示] 5時間前 (0子コメント)
I mean, minus the child raping he's pretty on point.
I'd go for all that, but take out the child raping, probably better for PR.
[–]Trollmylife [スコア非表示] 4時間前* (17子コメント)
I've heard people trying to turn the LGBT into the GSM (Gender and Sex Minorities), because of all the letters following the T, (QQIAA++)which even includes bdsm/ kink communities now -_-.
Unfortunately, LGBT+ is becoming about being the alternative/kink/taboo sexualities because of these inclusions. I fight against people using the GSM term because it's an open invitation to pedophiles. Pedophilia(as well as beastiality, necrophilia, etc) by definition, are sexual minorities.
[–]Preacherjonson [スコア非表示] 3時間前 (8子コメント)
I've been to several gay pride days to support some friends but outside them and their circle everything just screams degeneracy. I'm not talking blokes dressing up as women or what have you, I'm cool with that, but it feels like many just use it as an excuse to dress sluttily and behave inappropriately in public, often around minors who are only just realising this side of people exists. And then people wonder why conservatives perceive the movement negatively.
[–]photoshy [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
It depends on where you go. My city has an annual pride event and its run as a family event so anyone can come and family can show support it focuses on love and pride in your identity not what you do in the bedroom so there is a rule on appropriate clothing. Its pretty much like a summer fair with bouncy castles, a fairground, and food vans only with more rainbow decorations and charities/support groups that support LGBT+ people
[–]IsTom [スコア非表示] 2時間前 (4子コメント)
It's like they're trying make it easy for their opponents to dehumanize them. I'm all for degeneracy and deviancy, but what they're doing is just fucking stupid and against their own interests.
[–]Skoinks [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (3子コメント)
I've always thought that a gay parade would be much more impactful, if the people were dressed normally and did nothing out of the ordinary and just marched with their signs. Showing the bigots and narrow minded people in the community that LGBT people are in fact, exactly the same as everyone else, instead of parading the difference.
[–]BannedfromfunSuffering from PTSD -Post Tumblr Stupidity Disorder. [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
A lot of places are more respectful, and that's cool.
You still have a couple twats running around though.
[–]kino2012More oppressed than you [スコア非表示] 32分前 (0子コメント)
Yep, as it tends to be the minority can be very vocal.
[–]Londonercalling [スコア非表示] 34分前 (0子コメント)
It's the loud and brash gays that started the gay rights movement, not the conservative ones who blend in.
People at pride should dress how they want to, be that outrageous, or be that conservative. They have fought for decades for the right to do that.
[–]Londonercalling [スコア非表示] 37分前 (0子コメント)
I find it hard to believe that your friends and their circle were the only non-hyper-sexualised at this pride event
[–]Princess_CobraHuman-kin [スコア非表示] 27分前 (0子コメント)
Saw BDSM public stuff at a Gay Pride Parade.... yeh I'm good, I'll pay 10 bucks to the human rights campaign instead or something.
[–]leah128 [スコア非表示] 22分前 (0子コメント)
I love kink but it's a lifestyle. Isn't it counter-intuitive to include that when we spent so much time fighting against people claiming being gay was a lifestyle?
[–]AyysforOuus [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (3子コメント)
Please don't confuse pedophiles with child molesters.
Are kinks / fetishes even real sexualities? They make me uncomfortable, but GSM sounds cleaner and more organised compared to the LGBT++++++++++++ clusterfuck, which is in constant chaos about who is in and not.
[–]leah128 [スコア非表示] 21分前 (0子コメント)
No, they aren't.
[–]Trollmylife [スコア非表示] 15分前 (0子コメント)
Are kinks / fetishes even real sexualities?
No, but that's what they're calling them. I think fetish/ kink groups are glomming onto the LGBT label for validation, minority status, and possibly mainstream acceptance.
[–]Princess_CobraHuman-kin [スコア非表示] 12分前 (0子コメント)
No, no they aren't real sexualities. Kink is something sexually enjoyable , sexuality is what kind of human you find sexually attractive. Words having meanings ack!! (annoyance is not directed at you)
Also I do like GSM. But I feel like Gender and Sexual Minorities opens up the idea of their being more than Man and Woman which is... eh. Also 90% of shit in the label doesn't need to be labeled in the first place. Kind why I wish people would force it to be LGBT or maybe just maybe LGBTQ at most. Why do people make sexuality their only identity? (Let alone making a kink there identity)
Like I didn't choose to be gay. I love my girlfriend. It was hard coming out. Its very thankfully fine now. Yay? I mean being out, open and comfortable plus fighting for gay rights is a great thing to celebrate. But I feel like , as a person, I'd rather make my "Identity" about my hobbies and goals... ya know things I choose.
sorry if that was ranty
[–]Turned_A [スコア非表示] 39分前 (1子コメント)
I think it's fair to draw a distinction between people who are attracted to children and do nothing vs. those who act on it. The first group are pedophiles too aren't they? But we should treat them, not chastise them.
[–]DerangedGingerTransginger Pump-kin [スコア非表示] 15分前 (0子コメント)
Agreed. We need to do something about the taboo of pedophilia. They can't even admit to it in most societies without having their life completely destroyed. Maybe if they could actually get help they would be less likely to actually rape a child. I truly believe that the way we treat these people actually leads to more victimization of children.
If you tell a person they're a piece of shit and accuse them of doing something enough times then maybe they'll just give up and do it since everyone already thinks they do. Why bother resisting your urges at that point? Anything we can do to discourage someone from laying hands on a child is a good thing.
[–]quixoticquailSTOP OPPRESSING ME BY LOOKING AT MY FLAIR 139 ポイント140 ポイント141 ポイント 7時間前 (13子コメント)
Sure this isn't Sanity? I agree with the sentiment of the post. One user made a disgusting point (its disturbing to find this is a position people have), and the rest of the post is entirely sensible. The point about the weird/taboo is spot on.
[–]trust_my_shadow 45 ポイント46 ポイント47 ポイント 7時間前 (11子コメント)
Weird and taboo between consenting adults. Most of the time it's the Bible-thumpers lumping pedophilia with homosexuality. So my vote is actual pedos can piss off with their nonsense.
[–]guywitharash [スコア非表示] 6時間前 (0子コメント)
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what /u/quixoticquail was implying
[–]Whatsapokemon [スコア非表示] 5時間前 (9子コメント)
To be fair, there's so many people wanting to jam more and more nonsense into the LGTBQIA+etc etc acronym, what does one more nonsense thing matter?
[–]GeorgeRRZimmerman [スコア非表示] 2時間前 (7子コメント)
The reason there are lines drawn is for two very real reasons:
Someone fighting for their ingroup's rights doesn't necessarily need to care about another group's rights. This isn't plain hypocrisy either, it's a matter of having a clear agenda. Even the KKK has to spend time sharpening their focus on less issues, otherwise their overall message is weaker. Part of this is because people in one ingroup are oftentimes bigoted against others, even in their ingroup (ie, the number of gay men who couldn't care less about lesbians or women's rights in general.)
Keeping a narrow focus helps to fight against the slippery slope argument put forward by the people you're trying to convince to give you more of the rights you think you deserve. Every single anti-gay slippery slope argument eventually boils down to "Well, if we start respecting X group's wishes, how long before we have to let the pedophiles and animal fuckers get their way."
The fear that giving gay people social space giving way to rampant pedophilia has been an unfounded worry since at least the 50s as evidenced by government PSA films. The fear of letting any "non-traditional" marriages being the slippery slope to letting unsavory others potentially harm our kids has been an issue since at least the 60s - when interracial marriage was still banned in a few states. (Just wait until it's your daughter, etc).
So those are your two very real reasons why people draw lines: to keep the focus for the group you're trying to win rights for, and to keep your group from seeming like a circus to everyone else.
[–]Whatsapokemon [スコア非表示] 2時間前 (6子コメント)
Whilst my comment was slightly satirical I genuinely see the same amount of benefit to society from people fighting for pedophile rights as people fighting for the rights of those who are sexually attracted to stars and galaxies. That is - no benefit at all.
The amount of harm is obviously a difference, but if someone is going to be ridiculous enough to try to shove "multiple-systems-otherkin-sexual" into the acronym, then how is that any less ridiculous than someone trying to shove pedophilia in there?
I'm a supporter of gay rights and trans rights, but beyond that it starts getting into the realm of Poe's Law.
[–]TheBlonkh [スコア非表示] 2時間前 (5子コメント)
There is one simple reason, why there is a clear difference. The bullshit otherkin people are not hurting children directly by raping them, while pedophilia is very much doing exactly this. Who cares, when someone is sexually attracted to stars? No one is hurt by this although it's still stupid. Pedophiles sexually molest children that can't fight back. Putting those two things together in one pot is disturbing to me tbh.
[–]Whatsapokemon [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (4子コメント)
That seems to be pretty much what I said yes.
But equally, both are useless wastes of time. It's just that one is ridiculous and harmful, whilst the other is just ridiculous.
In fact, I'm sure there are at least some legitimate arguments to be made that pedophilia is treated incorrectly in society, and that the automatic condemnation and demonisation is causing more harm than good. The same can't really be said for strange paraphilias.
[–]kino2012More oppressed than you [スコア非表示] 52分前 (1子コメント)
I mean, that isn't what you said. In fact, It's pretty mutch the opposite of what you said. He said not to lump them together, and you were lumping them together. In fact, you are continuing to lump them together. If anything, it sounds like you are rebuking whateverthefuck-sexuals more than pedophiles at this point.
[–]Whatsapokemon [スコア非表示] 37分前 (0子コメント)
My original argument was not to lump them together. The acronym doesn't need to be expanded because anything past LGBT is largely unnecessary.
My point was that these people are shoving so many useless things together that it's becoming a joke.
[–]KJew [スコア非表示] 52分前 (1子コメント)
They would probably be treated the same way, a therapist, but the problem is if one snaps an innocent child gets their life ruined and if the other snaps someone is found jerking off looking up at the sky.
They're really not the same.
[–]Whatsapokemon [スコア非表示] 39分前 (0子コメント)
There is a difference between the sexual attraction, and the act of a crime that hurts a real living person though.
Perhaps more children could be saved if pedophiles were treated more reasonably, and given help so that they're less likely to actually hurt children.
In that manner the treatment and inclusion of pedophilia might actually help more children than the treatment of paraphilias.
Still, that's a very academic and theoretical argument. At worst it's just a neutral outcome.
[–]Murgie [スコア非表示] 27分前 (0子コメント)
Oh! Oh! I know this one!
It's because that one thing happens to be pedophilia.
[–]basketofseals [スコア非表示] 52分前 (0子コメント)
I would argue the end goal is to make it seen as not taboo. That's not quite the same as celebrating it.
[–]Li_alvart [スコア非表示] 5時間前 (34子コメント)
I actually feel bad for pedophiles. They're not automatically child molesters, they're people that feel attraction to children, most of them can't help that so they need help in order to not act on those feelings. IIRC there is a guy that realised he is pedophile, told his mom, looked for psychiatric help but couldn't find someone that was willing to help him. He ended up making a website to help pedophiles to "recover".
[–]BlazingKitsuneButcher of Blavi-kin [スコア非表示] 5時間前 (12子コメント)
Wasn't there an SVU episode where a teenager realized he has pedophilic feelings, sought help at their precinct and was sent away because he had not acted on it so there was no treatment available? I remember that making me feel sick. Like, if they come out and seek help they should get the help they need, not sent away.
[–]lip_twitch [スコア非表示] 4時間前 (1子コメント)
That type of person should receive the most help. I imagine that's the most common type of pedo: the one that can't help that he feels attraction to certain people, but simultaneously realizes that he can never act on that attraction. That's gotta be a hard life, and I wish we had some sort of system to make sure those kind of people never, ever hurt anybody.
[–]BlazingKitsuneButcher of Blavi-kin [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
I agree.
[–]Dodge_Viper2015AntiTumblr [スコア非表示] 4時間前 (9子コメント)
If it makes you feel better, I'm sure there is treatment. SVU is not realistic
[–]spidersnakeThe Adventures of Kin-Kin [スコア非表示] 4時間前 (1子コメント)
I've heard it said before that doctors in some states are often obliged to inform the police as you are seen as a risk rather than a patient.
I would google to verify but I think that's a list I'd rather not end up on!
[–]KafkeMy toucan is also trans [スコア非表示] 3時間前 (0子コメント)
This is why crimes should actually be when there's a real victim, not when the individuals consent or it's just information/data being passed around.
[–]BlazingKitsuneButcher of Blavi-kin [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (6子コメント)
It does. With some of the crazy shit I hear about the US, like a 6yo getting on the sex offender list for hugging another child, I didn't put it past your lawmakers :(
[–]thingsthatbreak [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
link?
[–]BlazingKitsuneButcher of Blavi-kin [スコア非表示] 7分前 (0子コメント)
I couldn't find the thread/link on mobile, but I think I read this in a comment on this sub, with sources etc.
[–]dtiftw [スコア非表示] 41分前 (3子コメント)
If you didn't believe everything you hear, that would be a start.
[–]mostimprovedpatient [スコア非表示] 31分前 (2子コメント)
Well they aren't wrong that children can be put on the sex offenders registry. Two underage teenagers can have sex and both end up on the registry.
[–]dtiftw [スコア非表示] 2分前 (0子コメント)
How often has that happened?
There are a lot of myths about the registry. For example, no one has ever been placed on it for public urination.
[–]decamonosMichael Jacks-kin Pronouns: abc/123/you and me [スコア非表示] 13分前 (0子コメント)
Yeah if they're both guys...
Now I'm not saying girls can't do the same shit and theoretically get the same sentence, but like most things regarding relationships and sex in America, the man is guilty until proved innocent, and even then may be charged to be made an example of.
Might just be my perception but Michigan seems especially guilty of this.
[–]RagerzRangerz [スコア非表示] 40分前 (0子コメント)
Most pedophiles will have a conscience too. One probably overcomes the other because they aren't given help.
[–]dvidsilvaspace autist [スコア非表示] 4時間前 (6子コメント)
I get the feeling and agree in a way. There's a diff between feeling some attractions and acting on them. The thing with that term if I understand correctly is that we only call pedophiles to those who had sex with children. There's no special term to describe someone who feels attraction to children but understands is wrong and never acts on it.
[–]Guren275 [スコア非表示] 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Pedophile means attraction to children, it doesn't imply any act on its own.
The special term for someone who rapes/molests children is Child rapist or child molester.
Pedophile is those that have an overwhelming tendency to be attracted to prepubescent children. Hebephilia is those with an overwhelming attraction to pubescent but underage children. The later has lots of psychiatric arguments as to whether it should really be considered a mental illness, as the point of attraction is to procreate and pubescent individuals are practically meant to be prime for procreation.
Neither of these technically encompass someone who might happen to see an especially attractive individual who fits in those age groups.
[–]KafkeMy toucan is also trans [スコア非表示] 3時間前 (3子コメント)
There's a difference between: having an attraction to minors, both parties consenting to a sexual action with one or more participants being a minor, sexually assaulting/raping/abusing a minor.
Three entirely different things and yet they all get conflated together because people are retarded and act on fear rather than actually thinking about the topic.
[–]kristallnachte [スコア非表示] 2時間前 (2子コメント)
Hell, people use pedophile to refer to hebephiles
[–]wayne62682 [スコア非表示] 52分前 (0子コメント)
Both these are fairly correct. It's also pretty much human urge to be attracted to a pubescent but young girl, because historically they were the best for bearing children. There's a reason most girls like 13-ish or so were married and/or having children in the olden days. Yet it's demonized in recent times as being some heinously evil crime when it's really not. Forcing i is, of course, wrong but they add these "statutory" laws that are just fearmongering and demonizing something that has gone on since the beginning of time because somebody somewhere feels it's not right.
[–]Discouraged_LimeThe_Grand_Trigger_of_the_Imperial_Phalus [スコア非表示] 5時間前 (7子コメント)
How do you help a pedophile, who will always be driven towards that kind of behavior? I don't know if there's any true way of reforming them.
[–]Squggy [スコア非表示] 4時間前 (6子コメント)
I think they're talking specifically about people who feel the attraction but don't act on it, and who know it's wrong. They might not be able to be reformed, persay, but they could learn of other ways to control their attractions and urges. I've also heard that some (male) child molesters are required to take estrogen in order to basically nullify their sex drive. If someone was feeling those urges, and they had a trustworthy doctor/psychiatrist to turn to, they would have options.
[–]Discouraged_LimeThe_Grand_Trigger_of_the_Imperial_Phalus [スコア非表示] 4時間前 (4子コメント)
The first part of your comment makes total sense, but my issue is I want them to be treated humanely, because they are people suffering from a severe mental disorder that being said, do you have a link on estrogen treatments and patient response? It sounds like an interesting idea, but it also may have a lot of potential for failure given patient suicide rate or other resulting issues. Granted a support network is vital, but how do we figure out which treatments concretely work like antidepressants? (That being said, antidepressants do require trial and error within patients, and god help me Zoloft was better than the alternatives, to make a quick half-joke)
[–]Truhls [スコア非表示] 2時間前* (3子コメント)
because they are people suffering from a severe mental disorder
Just an fyi classifying pedophilia as a mental disorder also means being gay / into other things is a mental disorder. This is about what you are attracted to, whatever morals we impose ( it being wrong ) has no merit on if its a disorder. It amazes me how many people think pedophilia is a disease but gay/trans isnt.
Sorry about the small digression. Just a small problem i have with people's views.
[–]rainbownapkinnap-kin [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (2子コメント)
As a bi person, I think being gay/trans/bi what have you is a mental disorder, just one that doesn't need to be treated. One of the main purposes for a species is procreation, but gay people don't have the urge to have sex with the opposite gender at all, and bi people will have sex and waste resources on the same gender. There isn't anything wrong with it, it's just a simple fact. It doesn't mean we should try to stop it, and it doesn't mean gay/bi/trans people are really suffering anything.
[–]Truhls [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Yeah and there are bi/gay/trans people who rape. But saying a guy who rapes kids compared to a guy who rapes guys is comparatively different and one needs to be treated is, well, silly.
[–]kino2012More oppressed than you [スコア非表示] 38分前 (0子コメント)
The thing is that pedophilia is a potentially harmful disorder, while being gay isn't. Gay people can have sex with the people they are attracted to and it isn't rape, just like straight people can. If a pedophile has sex with a child because they are attracted to children, it definitely is rape, and is legally and ethically reprehensible. That is why it is different, and why pedophiles are encouraged to seek treatment while gays aren't.
[–]Murgie [スコア非表示] 21分前 (0子コメント)
I've also heard that some (male) child molesters are required to take estrogen in order to basically nullify their sex drive.
I know that's how they used to deal with a lot of things, homosexuality included, but now I'm pretty sure it's just anti-androgens which are used instead of outright estrogens.
[+]throwawaycomment31 スコアが基準値未満のコメント[スコア非表示] 3時間前 (4子コメント)
I'm tired of this bullshit attraction excuse. Let's be honest: How many people are only attracted to ONE thing? You can live a good life without having sex. Sex isn't everything. If you were male but born with a microdick, is your life over? Should you just kill yourself? How do dickless people have loving relationships? I'm attractive to many things, like asian ladyboys. I'm most likely never going come across one, let alone fuck one. So what? I just rub one out and I stop caring. Go jerk off move on.
Yes, because you're wired differently.
I, while enjoying sex, am totally fine with a sexual encounter not ending in me busting. Others I know become practically mindless in the persuit of orgasm once they get passed a certain point of turned on.
And pedophilia is about an overwhelming attraction, not only a SOLE attraction.
[–]Raven_McCoy_ [スコア非表示] 2時間前 (1子コメント)
That's what pedophilia is. Only being attracted to children.
[–]PotterWasMyFirstLove [スコア非表示] 44分前 (0子コメント)
No, it's not. Just being attracted to prepubescent kids is, it can be exclusive or inclusive.
[–]aidsy [スコア非表示] 47分前 (0子コメント)
You're a fucking idiot.
[–]Dodge_Viper2015AntiTumblr [スコア非表示] 4時間前 (1子コメント)
Pedophiles should not be lumped in with the LGBT community, though. The already has been enough of that done in the past.
[–]itmakessenseincontexCrapDuke [スコア非表示] 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Yeah, LGBT have actively fought not to be lumped with pedophiles. There is no way most LGBT would ever allow pedophiles to try to aline themselves with us.
[–]kristallnachte 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
I....What?
[–]JQTriple7Chicken Focacciakin [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Obviously this post makes sense but "Unfollow me if this... Unfollow me if that..." Is just stupid.
[–]Mohl97 [スコア非表示] 4時間前 (0子コメント)
This is like those generic scenes where someone walks in and the music just screeches to a stop.
[–]ScrawlSpace [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Weren't some of those lefty rags trying to normalise this kind of thing a while back? Salon and one or two others?
[–]MasterRedx<-- Shitlord 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 7時間前 (2子コメント)
I love this. It's like when the KKK come out and support a presidential candidate.
[–]YouStupidFuckinHorseEvery Personality is a New Gender [スコア非表示] 6時間前 (1子コメント)
Now we just need the equivalent of KKK members supporting two opposing candidates to really spice things up
[–]Princess_CobraHuman-kin [スコア非表示] 8分前 (0子コメント)
Get the KKK for one candidate and the Aryan Nations for the other. Or like an actual open KKK member as one candidate and the other be a tame-ish person but ISIS decides to give them campaign support for shits and giggles.
[–]thedapperdoll [スコア非表示] 6時間前 (12子コメント)
This feels like sanity. I agree, pedos need to gtfo off this planet.
[–]spiritbxCIS scum? My Droideka friends want to have a word with you... [スコア非表示] 4時間前 (11子コメント)
What if your kid is born a pedo?
Assuming you raised him right he will KNOW it's wrong to rape kids(or anyone, really, but you get my point) but he can't stop his attraction to children since it's built in, the same way a gay person can't not be gay, just stop himself from doing gay things.
Molest a kid and you can go get butt raped in prison though, not much pity for that.
[–]monsterspez [スコア非表示] 4時間前 (0子コメント)
I admire the person who was admitting they are a pedo, if it's for real. It's a kind of curse; no one would choose to have that sexual orientation. And people need to come out so others will begin to also seek help to avoid harming kids.
Having the attraction isn't a choice, raping or molesting someone is.
If we further stigmatize it and say they're worthless and should die, people who suffer pedophilia, after hearing those messages all their lives, will believe they are bad people and be more likely to hurt others.
[+]thedapperdoll スコアが基準値未満のコメント[スコア非表示] 4時間前 (9子コメント)
Gays are just men who like sex with consenting adult men, no harm in that, unless they're like raping people.
Pedos often aren't just attracted to kids, they often stalk, kidnap, rape and murder them. It's never romantic, only one-side sexual gratification and probably a kind of power trip since the kid can't fight back. The kid is often at an age where they're too immature to understand what consent is or even what sex is. It's that innocence and naivety that attracts a lot of pedos.
[–]Guren275 [スコア非表示] 3時間前 (1子コメント)
The point isn't at all about romance. It's that you can't condemn someone for thought crime, especially if they have no way of helping it. Attraction isn't something you choose, so as long as no one is being raped or molested pedophiles shouldn't be condemned, but helped. There are likely far more people with an attraction to children than you realize that just ignore those urges-- just like how when homosexuality is illegal/socially unacceptable the homosexuals try to force themselves to integrate, often getting married and being in a straight relationship.
Or people that have a mix of attractions that include young children, or people that are attracted to young children but aren't all that big into having sex regardless.
[–]Spiral-knight [スコア非表示] 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Combine these facts with the reality that people with pedo urges lack any kind of real support network other then a "no, don't do that" and you have a problem.
They're not attracted to men, women, just something that cannot be had. Self loathing and those urges exist in the first place could easily drive the afflicted to act. Because there's no end, no out and no relief.
[–]GranaT0Trans-Atlantic Cargo-sexual Freighter-kin [スコア非表示] 3時間前 (3子コメント)
Pedos often
Source?
Do you have any factual evidence that shows exactly how many closeted pedophiles out there have never touched a child?
[–]monsterspez [スコア非表示] 2時間前 (1子コメント)
Well, if you consider the meaning of "closeted" it is clear that you've posed an unanswerable question. No one can prove to you the "exactly how many" closeted pedophiles haven't harmed a victim.
We commonly fail to distinguish between pedophile (attracted to children and youths) and sex criminal. So anyone who isn't a sex criminal will never be caught and will try desperately to keep it a secret, making it very difficult to determine how many there are.
What would be an effective research study design that would use a random sample but assure anonymity and develop a trusting relationship with participants so they'll be willing to share honestly? Only anonymous web surveys seem at all safe for someone closeted, ashamed, possibly afraid of being identified and monitored by law enforcement- many probably wouldn't even admit it to a web survey. Anyway, internet surveys don't provide random samples since people self select, so that wouldn't give us a good idea of frequency within the population.
The proof you demand may not exist but you could read the stories of those who have come out and sought help to prevent victimizing, and reasonably surmise that there are many more such people too ashamed to ever admit it to anyone.
[–]GranaT0Trans-Atlantic Cargo-sexual Freighter-kin [スコア非表示] 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Exactly my point.
[–]Lochcelious [スコア非表示] 2時間前 (0子コメント)
You probably have pedophile friends or family that'l you'd never realize because they're otherwise normal adult who have will
That's painting a pretty ridiculous brush. Basically the same stuff was and still is said about gays.
Anti gay rhetoric often includes that gay relationships cannot include love.
That's so wrong. Most child molesters aren't necessarily pedophiles anyhow
[–]givupyoureSurroundedfcuk [スコア非表示] 17分前 (0子コメント)
LGBTQS is now about eating pizza.
[–]beating_the_odds [スコア非表示] 2分前 (0子コメント)
as a mother to two little daughters, fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkk no. I'm all about equality - hell, I have dated women and loved it - but anyone who is a pedophile and actively looks at inappropriate photos or, worse, abuses children, can seriously burn in a fire. Fuck that. No. I can forgive someone who is a pedophile and seeks therapy without giving in to their urges. That I can forgive. I truly believe it's a mental issue and something that needs correcting, especially before someone gets hurt.
But fuck off with that tolerance bullshit. I'm going to keep my babies in a bubble forever. 😩
[–]BananamanagisticsShitlordius Maximus 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
Ah, yes, the LGBT+ being "mainstream" now and leaving out those who once did appreciate that it was "weird/taboo." Wouldn't you know, not all gay people are of one mind.
(I am commenting specifically on that part, not the pedo part.)
[–]BannedfromfunSuffering from PTSD -Post Tumblr Stupidity Disorder. [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
I mean, a lot of gay assholes use this to justify being gay assholes during Pride, and shame anyone who thinks that gay = supporting Pride.
[–]aazav [スコア非表示] 20分前 (0子コメント)
It's about nothing I want to hear anything about.
And a revulsion is not phobia.
Yeah, they are all creepy fucks.
[–]Hallitsijantrans-fat protein-kin [スコア非表示] 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Out here, the national association for child lovers was actually a member of the lgbt alliance for most of the 80s and 90s until these came to their senses and actually voted to no longer allow pedophiles under their umbrella.
[–]EOverM [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
The B stands for Batman, right? So I guess it is about celebrating the weird.
[–]Adolf_Shitler99 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Pedophilia is the new trans
[–]peanutismint [スコア非表示] 36分前 (0子コメント)
I always figured that paedos and bestiality and necrophilia and all the rest were what the '+' was for? Surely if they really wanna be all-encompassing they can't pick & choose whose sexual appetites are 'okay' and whose are 'too much'... And I know they'll say "well it's about consenting adults" but surely that doesn't matter if you just get turned on by these things but don't act on them? And do corpses have rights anyway?!
Wow this conversation, just like these winter days, got dark fast.
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[–]Cybugger [スコア非表示] 4時間前 (13子コメント)
Except that you are wrong. Completely, 100%, fundamentally wrong. The slippery slope fallacy is in full-swing here. There's a reason that pedophiles, zoophiles will never be accepted as part of the LGBT community: consent. As a man, you can totally bang another dude, as long as that other dude also wants to bang. As a man, you can never bang a child, because that child can never want to bang you, in a consent sense. Ever.
It isn't about abnormal sexual orientations. It's about consent.
[–]KafkeMy toucan is also trans [スコア非表示] 3時間前 (12子コメント)
because that child can never want to bang you, in a consent sense. Ever.
In a legal sense, because people under the age of 18 don't actually have rights. I guarantee a 17 year old knows exactly what's up. You can arguably consent as soon as you have individual agency and a knowledge of what you're doing. Both of which happen pretty early on.
Unless there's some magic thing that society forgot to tell me/give me when I became 18? I was pretty much exactly the same, mentally speaking, from like 12 years old and up. Just more knowledge about stuff.
Other countries also agree with this. Given that the legal age of consent is different. IIRC in Japan it's something like 13 or 14.
As for zoophilia.... yeah, animals can't consent. They aren't aware of the laws and contractual agreements. That's a biological issue, not a legal one. Nothing wrong with drawn materials in either case.
When push comes to shove, there's not really an argument against pedophilia besides "it's icky", which is the exact same argument used against LGBT stuff (not that pedophilia should be lumped in, as it's a fetish/kink, not an orientation/gender identity).
The only argument you could really make is against molestation and rape, which are already illegal and no one's saying it should be.
[–]Cybugger [スコア非表示] 3時間前 (11子コメント)
Except that you're wrong. There is. Consent cannot be given by a minor. That's that. There is no discussion to be had following that statement.
[–]GranaT0Trans-Atlantic Cargo-sexual Freighter-kin [スコア非表示] 3時間前 (6子コメント)
I might not completely agree with the guy, but you're just being stupid. He provided a good argument, and you're rejecting it because "muh feels".
[–]Cybugger [スコア非表示] 3時間前 (5子コメント)
No, I'm rejecting it because "muh laws", and "muh not a pedo". We have a separate system for dealing with minors for a reason.
[–]GranaT0Trans-Atlantic Cargo-sexual Freighter-kin [スコア非表示] 3時間前 (4子コメント)
So you think that laws are absolute and a good ethical guide? I don't think I'm going to discuss anything with you.
[–]Cybugger [スコア非表示] 3時間前 (3子コメント)
Laws are made by government to represent not only basic human rights, but also the ethical and socially acceptable rules in our society. Laws are a representation of our society's ethics. It's why slavery used to be a thing: it didn't used to be considered unethical. But it is now.
If we, as a society, thought that fucking kids was a-ok, there wouldn't be a law against it.
So yes, I do use laws as part of my argument. And yes, fucking kids is always, 100% wrong, unethical, and they are never capable of consent.
[–]AyysforOuus [スコア非表示] 37分前 (2子コメント)
Except that there are hundreds and thousands of different societies, each with their own set of rules. You can fuck a 14 years old kid in Japan but not in USA. Already, using laws as an absolute is flawed.
Age shouldn't determine maturity. There are children who spouts out words of wisdom like a fountain, and then there are adults who act like a 5 years old. Saying people below 18 cannot be trusted to think critically (aka have no rights) is sad. Because it's not like adults do it much better.
Rules are made by adults to oppress the children!! s/
[–]Cybugger [スコア非表示] 31分前 (1子コメント)
Does the /s apply to only your last phrase?
[–]KafkeMy toucan is also trans [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (3子コメント)
Except that you're wrong.
How so? The argument against pedophilia is 'it's icky', and that's backed by law for some reason.
Consent cannot be given by a minor.
"Consentual sex cannot be had between two people of the same sex". You could literally just say the same thing. It's pretty clear to me that minors can give consent. Not only do teens willingly send nudes to each other, have sex, etc. But they're fully aware of what they're doing. In non-sexual consent, teens run businesses, hold jobs, and all sorts of other things that they must consent and agree to.
Just so we're clear, I'm using the basic dictionary definition of 'consent':
To give assent, as to the proposal of another; agree. See Synonyms at assent. v. Archaic To be of the same mind or opinion. n. Acceptance or approval of what is planned or done by another; acquiescence. See Synonyms at permission.
If you mean legal consent, then yes. Minors lack a lot of rights that adults do, and cannot legally consent. However, gay people could not legally marry either. That doesn't mean they aren't physically able to do so, or shouldn't be allowed to marry. Quite literally two gay people could not be married. As marriage was between a single man and a single woman. We changed the legal definition to be something better and more useful.
There is no discussion to be had following that statement.
Homosexual people cannot reproduce, which is the entire point of sexual intercourse, and thus legal monogamous marriages. Marriage cannot be between two people of the same sex. That's that. There's no discussion to be had following that statement.
"Because I said so" isn't a valid reason. You're literally just plugging your ears and saying "pedophilia is icky!" You've given no reason why you assume people somehow magically can agree to an act only after the age of 18. You've given no reason why you assume sexual actions with a minor are somehow 'bad'.
I'm honestly curious. It icks me out, but once I sat down to think about it, I really don't see the point in restricting the rights of people who haven't met some arbitrary age. And especially not punish people who may be directly or indirectly effected by acts that these people do that when done by other individuals is entirely okay. It's just borderline idiotic to me.
The fact that you didn't even try to defend your position shows how indoctrinated you are to it. It's sad how people try to strip away the rights of minors because people are ageist and assume minors are complete retards.
[–]Cybugger [スコア非表示] 15分前 (0子コメント)
How old are you? When was the last time you talked to a minor?
I was a part-time teacher for a year and a half while finishing my college degree. And the difference between me, at 25, and some of my students, at 15-16, was incredible. You realize quickly that although the age difference is identical to someone who is 35, my way of thinking, my problem solving abilities and my ability to deal with emotional issues is far closer to the latter than the former. They are still kids, despite the fact that some of them look like adults. They are easily manipulated, they are easily abused, and they are partial to anyone with any seeming authority over them.
It's backed by law because it invariably leads to abuse, manipulation, and an inherently unfair playing field between the abuser and the abusee. That's why there are laws in place: to protect youths from unscrupulous adults who have far better methods for telling people to fuck off if they're not really interested.
Do you know why people with mental disorders are given less stringent prison sentences, on average, than their mentally healthy counterparts? Because their inability to make reasonable decisions is a mitigating factor. Identically, the youth and inexperience of a teenager is also taken into account. As such, they are deemed incapable of giving consent when it comes to sexual matters, because of their inexperience, propensity to follow authority figures regardless of whether it is good for them or not.
That is the difference between a minor having sex with another minor, and a minor having sex with an adult. The playing field is equal in the former, and there is an inherent imbalance in the latter.
Marriage has absolutely nothing to do with anything. We are talking about sexual activity. Pedophilia isn't the desire to marry a child as an adult. Pedophilia is the lustful desire of children.
And children can't consent.
Homosexual people cannot reproduce, which is the entire point of sexual intercourse, and thus legal monogamous marriages.
So I'm guessing you're against contraceptives, right? If that's your point of view, and sexual intercourses only goal is reproduction, right?
Have you ever had sex? It's fun. If I'm with my girlfriend, and we're a bit bored, we'll have sex. If I'm doing shit, she gets horny, she'll come over to me, and we'll have sex. It has nothing to do with reproduction.
Marriage cannot be between two people of the same sex. That's that. There's no discussion to be had following that statement.
Wrong, marriage is a legally defined and legally binding social contract, that comes with responsabilities and advantages. There is no logical reason for being against homosexual marriage.
"Because I said so" isn't a valid reason.
Read above. It isn't. Ask a child psychologist. Ask them if they think a child's brain works the same way as an adult's.
You've given no reason why you assume people somehow magically can agree to an act only after the age of 18.
Yes, 18 is arbitrary. I'll give you that. But that's because, in a civilized society with millions of individuals, we cannot take each case, case by case. Maybe (maybe) you might be able to defend a relationship between a 17 year old and a 30 year. But that's not how laws work.
You've given no reason why you assume sexual actions with a minor are somehow 'bad'.
Read above. A child is easily manipulated by an adult, an authority figure. They don't have the mental capacity to say no, no where near as easily as an adult.
And especially not punish people who may be directly or indirectly effected by acts that these people do that when done by other individuals is entirely okay. It's just borderline idiotic to me.
Studies have shown time and time again that children who are subjected to sexual aggressions are at a far greater risk to grow up with higher issues with dependency problems, problems with violence, and to become molesters themselves. Not to mention (actual, non-Tumblr) PTSD and other psychological conditions.
We protect children from adult sexual predators because it hurts children otherwise.
I'm sorry. I'm obviously an ideologue because I oppose adults having sex with children.
You sick fuck. See a therapist.
[–]Trollmylife [スコア非表示] 29分前* (1子コメント)
You're making a good argument for ephebophilia, the sexual attraction to 15-19 year olds. Although, in most places the age of consent is about 15ish anyway, so many places agree with you on a teen's ability to consent.
Pedophilia is the sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children under the age of 11. A prepubescent child can't consent to sex and isn't capable of making informed decisions. We know this based on our knowledge of human brain development. Many laws are in place to protect children from others as well as from themselves.
[–]KafkeMy toucan is also trans [スコア非表示] 15分前 (0子コメント)
You're making a good argument for ephebophilia, the sexual attraction to 15-19 year olds. Although, in most places the age of consent is about 15ish anyway.
Sure. But this is a part of what (at least in the US) people are talking about when they refer to pedophilia. And, in fact, covers the majority of people who have gotten sexual assault charges for pedophilia and who are in possession of child porn.
Pedophilia is the sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children under the age of 11.
Fair enough. I still see no issue. At least, given myself as a reference point. Above the age of maybe 7 or 8 and below the age of 11 I was entirely capable of understanding what a camera is, understanding the idea of wanted or unwanted touch, understanding how to come to an agreement in order to fulfill a contract, and any other related function. Arguably I just lacked a knowledge of, and experience related to sexual topics. Which I got around the age of 12-14, and I'm sure some people did younger than I.
Regardless, my arguments still stand. 12 year olds aren't blabbering idiots who can't think for themselves. And as is typical with biological stuff, people mature at different rates. So there's not really an easy or clean way to put a legal restriction. Instead, it's best to focus on the actual problems (molestation and rape), rather whether or not we assume someone is capable of deciding what they do or don't want to do.
We know this based on our knowledge of human brain development
I must have been a super mature 11 year old then, as I was entirely capable of making informed decisions.
Many laws protect children from others as well as themselves.
By this logic, should we also ban children from having cameras and electronic devices, to protect them from the 'uninformed decision' of looking at porn or producing it themselves?
I'm still not seeing an argument for sexual topics that doesn't extend to everything and agency in general. What makes sexual topics somehow different from, say, violence and gore? Or curse words? Or religion?
That is, excluding forcing someone to do something they do not want to do, how is someone at some arbitrary young age willingly engaging in something they find pleasurable somehow harmful or bad?
There's two sides to the argument, and you're only presenting one.
First of all, yes, people don't generally choose their sexuality. Straight, gay, pedo, I don't think any of these people chose to be attracted to who they're attracted to. So you're right that that's a similarity.
But there's a pretty important difference: only one of those groups cannot ethically act on that sexual attraction. Gay people have an obvious prerogative to separate themselves from pedos. Traditionally in the US, gays and pedos were actually considered to be of the same class of sexual deviancy - both were considered wrong and immoral.
So...I totally disagree with you. LGBTs have every reason to want to distance themselves from pedos.
[–]PrepareForWreckage [スコア非表示] 2時間前* (0子コメント)
First of all, you can "ethically act" on being a pedophile depending on your residence, such as by marrying a 14 year old. Second of all, whether you can "ethically act" on it or not is irrelevant for being accepted in society. You can be a pedophile and not act on our sexuality. The LGBT community's hypocrisy extends to incest too.
Gay orientations involve consensual sex unless the person happens to be a rapist. Pedophilia and beastophilia involve nonconsensual sex (in the case of animals it's debateable but most people think they can't consent).
So they're totally different in regards to whether you get to ever have your preferred sex legally and without a victim. But the same in that it's not a choice. I do agree the gay community should be more understanding but in the past they had to distance themselves to prove a point.
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