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[–]Herimia1 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Dont all neighbouring states paint Israel as the enemy just to distract its people from more real domestic issues and corruption

[–]Not-an-accountNetherlands 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah.

An authoritarian regime always needs a punching bag to stay in power.

[–]Nechama[🍰] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup. Same with the undo focus on Israel at the UN.

[–]daudder -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who are you referring to? The regimes of Jordan and Egypt are allies of Israel, the Lebanese and Syrian regimes both have much more serious problems and I doubt if anyone mentions Israel, let alone positions it as "the enemy", the PNA is fed and clothed by Israel.

This is yet another piece of empty rhetoric which has no relation to reality.

[–]tayaravakninLazy, Underpaid Zionist Shill 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who are you referring to? The regimes of Jordan and Egypt are allies of Israel

Strategic allies. Doesn't change their rhetoric or its purpose.

the Lebanese and Syrian regimes both have much more serious problems and I doubt if anyone mentions Israel, let alone positions it as "the enemy", the PNA is fed and clothed by Israel.

HAHAHAHAHA.

You think no one mentions Israel as an enemy? This is when Syria mentions it most.

Assad: Israel is still our only enemy - December 2016.

The idea you'd call this untethered from reality is fucking hilarious.

[–]Banshee90 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The old native Americans vs sports team using a caricature distraction. People on the reservation are starving and living before poverty level while tribe leadership lives like the 1% hey look at the Washington redskins.

[–]UKJaguar 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Trump needs to come sooner. US-Israel relations need to be repaired, quick!

[–]iknowordidthat 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (2子コメント)

US-Israel relations need to be repaired, quick!

US-Israel relations are fine. It's Obama-Isreal relations which were always fucked up. Now that Obama feels he has no obligation to the American voter, he's extra fucking them up.

[–]r_worldIsrael 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Obama is trying to make sure a trump administration will be a failure.

[–]akraines007 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I couldn't agree more my friend. Why the Obama administration is trying the mangle US-Israeli relations is beyond me.

[–]GavrielBAנ נח נחמ נחמן מאומן רק לרקוד כל הזמן! 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm thankful for living through enough years on earth to see a number if US presidents come and go. And they ALL share one thing in common: before they live they all try to give this push for singlehandedly solving the Israeli Arab conflict.

I'm sure it points out to some deep emotional state of US presidents but I'll let you be the judge on what exactly it means.

[–]CholentPot 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've seen this since i can remember. Each one thinks 'I'm the one who'll go down as the Great Peacemaker!'

They have no clue about the culture of the Arabs. In the end they respect power and the projection of power. All else is weakness. Treaties and laws are to be broken as seen fit and forced when benefiting themselves.

Sure this sounds racist and whatnot but it's the cold hard facts.

[–]CyndaquilTurdCanada (formerly Ra'anana) 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

In the end they respect power and the projection of power. All else is weakness.

This is the same thing my Arab friend said to me.

[–]CholentPot 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And this is the true reason why there has not been a war with Arab states since 1973. Israel finally showed a constant power flex after the Yom Kippur war and would not let any tiny infraction from Arab nations go unanswered. Egypt and Jordan sued for peace and I believe in time the rest will too.

The Palestinian issue will go fade eventually. When the rest of the Arab states come to grips that Israel is not going anywhere they will pool together with a solution. Barring that the Jewish population in Israel is booming and the Arab population is not. This scenario was not predicted. Read. If the source is in doubt take the time to search past the first few pages of Google and you'll fine some interesting solid stats on trusted sites that back this up.

[–]Banshee90 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Obama wants to be the king of western European politics.

[–]DontaskaboutDimonaFrom Muscat, Yes Oman actually exists 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why the Obama administration is trying the mangle US-Israeli relations is beyond me.

Uhh did you forget about this?

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/03/02/390132671/netanyahu-s-speech-to-congress-is-already-controversial

[–]akraines007 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Uhh did you forget about this?

ADL article on Iran deal and this?

[–]DontaskaboutDimonaFrom Muscat, Yes Oman actually exists 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Iran has been a few months away from nuclear weapons since 1990 if I am to believe the news.

[–]akraines007 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That makes me feel better.

[–]DontaskaboutDimonaFrom Muscat, Yes Oman actually exists -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hail Trump!

[–]afunnew 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pro-settlement supporters deflect to Hamas to defend settlements in the West Bank and actually present what they think should happen over the next 5-10 if they support settlement expansion and finally destroy the two-state solution? If the PA dissolves itself in 4 years time and says too many settlements the two-state solution is dead.

One on the very few explicit answer I have seen is from Bennet that is to annex Area C and give autonomy to Palestinian Bantustans in Area A and B. In his opinion the world will object but Israel will be okay and Trump will support Israel and Israel can militarily defeat any Arab armies that attack and it can suppress any uprising among the Palestinians.

Given that 14 of the 15 UNSC countries including China, Japan, UK, New Zealand have actually passed a clear-cut resolution against Settlements do you think they will actually support Annexation? What will be Israel's standing in the world?

Are you okay with the permanent Apartheid in the Palestinian territories? Currently there is an reason. Hamas. Terrorists. They don't want peace. Occupation is because of them and it's "temporary". But with annexation and formal renunciation of the Palestinian state it will be permanent.

If you disagree with Bennet and this then what do you want to happen? The two-state solution will die and then what?

[–]ThinningEagle -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Annexation of Area C makes sense to me. There is a Jewish Majority there and the Arabs living there will be given the option to become Israeli citizens with full rights not unlike the rest of Arab-Israelis. Another option would be for the Palestinians to actually return to the negotiating table and for once accept a proposal for their own state. Israel will happily give up nearly all the West Bank, with a few small land swaps, so that most settlements would remain part of Israel. You say that the two-state solution will die but I challenge you to prove to me that the solution was ever alive. Since the '47 partition plan, which would have given birth to both an Arab State, a Jewish state, and a UN administered international city of Jerusalem, that the Jews accepted and Arabs denied - the Arabs have continuously fought for a 1 state solution, viewing all of what was then considered 'Palestine' to be theirs. This view has never changed in the Palestinian leadership and they will continue to politic and terrorize until it becomes a reality (it won't).

[–]DontaskaboutDimonaFrom Muscat, Yes Oman actually exists 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (30子コメント)

1) Hamas isn't at the negotiation table. 2) If there's a cartoonish representation of a Hamas fighter, why is he meeting Netanyahu and not an IDF soldier?

This isn't even clever. It's just a poorly executed way of saying Kerry is appeasing Hamas, which he isn't.

This sub is slowly becoming an extension of the Donald every day.

[–]iknowordidthat 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (9子コメント)

It's a 2 year old cartoon. Now, I wonder what happened in 2014...

[–]scisslizz 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hamas kidnapped and murdered three boys, and fired lots of rockets at Tel Aviv, thus provoking the most recent IDF incursion into Gaza.

[–]Neil_young_freakIsrael 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your order's a bit off. First came kidnapping/murder, then week-long incursion into WB, then a few rockets locally, then major incursion into Gaza, then Tel Aviv and like a week more of useless, aimless war.

[–]Nechama[🍰] 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's a fairly simple depiction of the absurdity of peace negotiations when the Palestinians don't want to live in peaceful coexistence.

Nobody wants to address that. Including you.

Has nothing to do with Donald trump.

[–]DontaskaboutDimonaFrom Muscat, Yes Oman actually exists -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

cool story

[–]Nechama[🍰] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You certainly don't have to address my post, but it reflects poorly on your position.

[–]DontaskaboutDimonaFrom Muscat, Yes Oman actually exists 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Your opinion of me or my position* means nothing to me, as you've already labeled me with no willingness for dialogue. You want attention so you've been given a compliment, what more do you want?

[–]Nechama[🍰] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You refused to discuss the unwillingness of Palestinians to live in peaceful coexistence.

That's about it.

[–]Hajjah 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You should at the very least attempt to debunk what he's saying, Or just stop replying if you don't have a counter-argument.

[–]DontaskaboutDimonaFrom Muscat, Yes Oman actually exists -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should at the very least attempt to debunk what he's saying

I tried, it resulted in he/she defending a man who threw a grenade into a bus of civilians as a military hero. Oh, and labeling me as an enabler because I didn't agree with him/her. Not a civil discussion.

Just look at how this person speaks to people. No respect for anyone that has a different opinion.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/5k7d5l/tfw_un_hates_us/dbmcltp/

[–]Putins_MasseuseRussia 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Look at the date on the cartoon, Hamas was at the negotiating table

[–]DontaskaboutDimonaFrom Muscat, Yes Oman actually exists 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fine, why is it being posted this week? Israel is not at war with Hamas. The only relevant thing in this image is Netanyahu and Kerry.

[–]CyndaquilTurdCanada (formerly Ra'anana) 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a good reminder of the personalities/positions of the groups that Israel must negotiate with.

[–]RdMrcr 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's just a poorly executed way of saying Kerry is appeasing Hamas

I think it's more about saying Kerry doesn't understand what Israel is dealing with

[–]DontaskaboutDimonaFrom Muscat, Yes Oman actually exists 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is there ever going to be a president that both sides will agree understands what they're dealing with? I feel like if you condemn terrorism for 15 minutes, and then talk about settlements for 14 minutes and 59 seconds both sides would complain.

[–]CyndaquilTurdCanada (formerly Ra'anana) 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is there ever going to be a president that both sides will agree understands what they're dealing with?

Why not?

[–]YoggSaronHopesEnd 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

This sub is slowly becoming an extension of the Donald every day.

You didn't get that from two of Trump's tweets being the two most highly upvoted posts of the last 24 hours?

[–]Nechama[🍰] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Can't imagine why people are excited about some supportive words from a soon to be world leader with the way Obama just screwed over Israel and the UN is obsessed with bashing us.

Obviously we're alt-right white supremacists now. /s

[–]YoggSaronHopesEnd -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Obama didn't screw israel over. The settlements aren't Israel. Obama has been the most supportive president to Israel proper in Israeli history. If Israel had a leader that valued Israelis in Israel as much as it valued settlers in judea and Samaria then it would recognize that.

[–]Nechama[🍰] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Semantics. He's indeed screwing Israel over by determining final status borders before they can be negotiated.

He's also screwing Israel over in that he's continuing to allow the UN to be an instrument to bash Israel with. The reason this conflict isn't getting resolved isn't because of settlements, which can be evacuated or left as-is with land swaps. The reason is that not enough Palestinians want to live in coexistence with Israel.

By retaining the focus on settlements, the red herring, instead of Palestinian incitement and support of terror, he is screwing Israel over and delaying the resolution of this conflict.

[–]afunnew -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well it was inevitable. With Trump wanting to give a blank cheque to Israel even Israeli centrists would like Trump. After all who doesn't like a blank cheque?

Obama hates Israel and Trump loves Israel and so everything will be great.

[–]DontaskaboutDimonaFrom Muscat, Yes Oman actually exists 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

After all who doesn't like a blank cheque?

People/Countries that value independence?

I think Obama hates Netanyahu, not Israel. Bibi attacked Obama's administration on American soil, the abstention was hardly comparable.

[–]SLEEPLESSNIGHT5 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks Obama

[–]JoeBidenBot 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you want Joe Biden in this thread? Because this is how you get Joe Biden in this thread. Also, Joe wants some thanks too.