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[–]Blade_of_1000_Storms 198 ポイント199 ポイント  (70子コメント)

"To celebrate the 20th anniversary of one our biggest franchises, you can have some ads for our gamess"

[–]Xavieros 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (69子コメント)

Blizzard is getting the hang of dissapointing thousand upon thousands of fans of some of its core products... Vanilla WoW, proper Diablo content... There's a huge demand for both yet they seem to just ignore anything that doesn't justify and/or facilitate $$$$$$$$$$$ Cashshops/monthly fee's

Rip gamedesign passion, hello greed.

[–]killyerself 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Rip gamedesign passion

Maybe that's exactly it, they don't have the same passion for making content for Diablo as they did. As a creative I would imagine you'd eventually want to move on and create new things. Going back and resurrecting Vanilla WoW is creative death

[–]Bahaals [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I think D3 just hasnt passionated lead designers or ppl who really connects with the community and truly invested ones. Path of Exile has Chris Wilson but many of his employees love to play D2 AND are playing PoE (limited though because of work understandably). Chris Wilson knows exactly what he is talking about in every aspect of the game. He is attending podcasts and can have an interview and fluently speaks about problems of the game without white washing anything. He even give very insightful information about hypothetical problems which could be caused by some demands redditors have.

The Overwatch team is full of truly great creative minds who worked on games like d2 and Vanilla WoW and fewe of thm are even known as players in other games like Ultima Online or Everquest. On top of that they have Jeff Kaplan as their spokesman who is doing the non cut and very natural looking videos.

I could go on on both games but my english capacity is not really great.

[–]Wild_Marker [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well D3 had the problem of changing too much while in development and then switching dev teams post launch. I think they expected to do much more with it but it fell apart. The current team is barely on maintenance duty.

[–]Balticataz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I wouldnt say that. D3 has had some great devs and designers working on it. Problem is the whole game is treated as a second tier game now by blizzard because the second those people start doing good things with Diablo it seems they move them to WoW or Overwatch or some shit. Its possible thats by request of the individual themselves since its probably easier to get promoted working on the flagship IP.

[–]Samurro [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Cabal hearthstone cards, much creativity, now we have a card for 3 different heroes with one card design!

[–]YazshHS 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If there was a huge demand then wouldn't it be making $$$$$$$$$$$?

[–]Socrathustra 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Diablo 3 has the 2nd worst story in a AAA game this decade, so far as I'm aware. The only one worse is Final Fantasy 13. In the latter case, though, they were trying too hard. In Blizzard's case, they just suck. They've stopped writing anything interesting and started beating people over the head with a shallow, predictable plot Michael Bay style.

Shallow, predictable plot is fine in places, but the difference is that they hammer it into you with cutscenes, voice acting, and more spikes than Vlad the Impaler could handle. It's like the plot is bad, and they want you to know without a shadow of a doubt how bad it is. But it's not a joke or some kind of satire. It's just bad plot. It's the stuff that satire satirizes.

[–]elvadia28 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fortunately they later added an adventure mode where you can level up and play your character without ever going through the story. Not only is the story absurdly bad but you had to go through it 4 times in the first version of the game, talk about boring.

I wonder why some ARPG still cling to this outdated difficulty model, I like Path of Exile a lot but I like its endgame way more than the levelling process, I don't want to go through the story 3 times just to get to the interesting part so I always play it less than I planned to every league :/

[–]ribkicker4 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

When you said Diablo 3 has the 2nd worst story, I thought you were going to say Starcraft 2 was number one of the worst.

I never played Final Fantasy 13, but the story in Wings of Liberty and whatever the zerg expansion was were abysmal. I never bought Legacy of the Void.

[–]jedinatt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So freaking true. I could forgive Diablo 3 of everything but the shitty storytelling. It just reeked of incompetence.

[–]FartyPooperScooper 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (35子コメント)

TBH it's been that way since around Cataclysm of WoW. I started noticing it toward the end of Wrath of the Lich King. Their products have a very, very different flavor now than they did before then. Back then you could promise that Blizzard comes were getting better and better with each release and satisfying customers more and more. It just feels like they do barely enough these days or trip on themselves

[–]blahblah319420 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

they do barely enough these days

You cant be serious

[–]Evidicus[🍰] 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (32子コメント)

Yes. Screw Blizzard. They only made the Game of the Year for 2016. Legion has sparked a resurgence for WoW subs, Heroes of the Storm continually gets better, and their mistakes with Diablo III were more than made up for.

But by all means, don't let any of that get in the way of your hyperbole.

[–]Umbraorbis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This subreddit legit hates everything mainstream, it's not worth your time to try and convince them otherwise. It's so odd to me how people spend so much time shit talking games on online forums, when that time could be spent playing stuff you enjoy (if the people who shit talk even enjoy gaming anymore...)

[–]dumpwithaheart [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

While D3 has gotten so much better, it has a lot of core design issues that hold it back IMO. No fault of the Reaper of Souls and beyond team, more Jay Wilson and his leadership/those that supported him.

[–]startingover_90 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

their mistakes with Diablo III were more than made up for.

Says you, I still think the game is a waste of time. Doesn't hold a candle to D2, let alone some of the indie competitors out there.

[–]Daffan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Legion resurgence is similar to the WoD resurgence according to database stats and PvP stats.

People WANT to love WoW again, but it's hard because it's so different. Still a great game of course.

[–]Downvotemetohel 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'd like to see this database stats you're talking about. Everyone I've talked to about Legion loves it. http://i.imgur.com/vc00cM6.jpg

[–]khazixtoostronk [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

We will never get real stats since they don't report subs anymore so we can only speculate.But looking at stats like twitch viewership and how active forums/the subreddit are and how many people talk about it is a good indicator and i don't think its looking good

[–]Mushroom_mountains [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Wow is an incredibly boring game to just watch on twitch though. My twitch views tend to go to other games while I'm playing wow instead.

[–]Morsrael [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Are you seriously basing wows popularity on Twitch and forum activity?

Hilarious.

[–]Mista_Wong -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes they won game of the year and they didn't deserve it. The were better contenders.

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    [–]Morsrael 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    They aren't doing vanilla WoW because it wont really work for several reasons.

    Nostalgia factor will wear off for the majority of people playing it very quickly.

    People's idea of the best old WoW is different. Some vanilla, some TBC and some Wrath.

    It was buggy as all hell and really unbalanced.

    Which patch do they release it at?

    Do they stay at that one patch or do they slowly move on?

    Do they eventually release burning crusade and wrath again?

    All of this takes dev time away from the actual good WoW.

    [–]DrinkingSparklingH2O [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    I know most Vanilla servers seem to be running at patch 1.12.

    I'd kind of like to see a server running on the Burning Crusade launch patch where your character is capped at 60, with a 60 gear set, unless you are in Outland. Main issue here would be splitting PvP.

    I don't think it is really all Nostalgia that keeps Vanilla players active, for most it's just a good game that people like to play. Similar to how 2007 Runescape is such a huge success, people just enjoy it.

    [–]Morsrael [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    For the effort it would take to make the vanilla WoW servers Blizzard would be rewarded with not many people actually playing them and it would take away resources from the actual WoW.

    It's a good game for people that played it way back when but no new people would tolerate it and a lot of people who did play it back then would eventually get bored because there would be no changes.

    [–]DrinkingSparklingH2O [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    People who enjoy the game will still play for a long time regardless of no changes, they just enjoy the raiding and PvP. This is evident in many older games people still play. It's not just a game people enjoy playing, but a world people like to be a part of.

    You say no new people would tolerate it, but that isn't really something that can be proven without giving it a shot. Just because you personally might not like the game doesn't mean other will. Vanilla WoW wasn't a bad game.

    As of this moment, 17,084 people are playing on the Nostalrius servers. That is just two private servers, it would be higher with the numbers from other servers like Kronos or Feenix added. Plus this 17,084 number is player count on a Thursday morning, not exactly peak time.

    At $10 a month, just the Nost current online population would generate $170,840 a month. It is true that some people wouldn't pay to play Vanilla, but it is also true that many don't like private servers because of the possibility they might be shutdown.

    [–]Morsrael [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I'm sorry but those numbers are irrelevant in the face of the millions playing wow.

    It simply isn't worth it for blizzard to make vanilla servers.

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      [–]avgmr 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Thousands of fans isn't that many people to a studio like blizzard, dude.

      [–]varun_pcg [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I wouldn't write them off like that. Blizzard has some of the smartest people in the industry working with them. They most probably have purely profit oriented executives (thx Activision) who push their designers to force players to consider opening their real wallets as often as possible. And considering the blizzard fanboys these days, it works incredibly well. Why miss out on ez money? Now the problem with this is that as they develop more games and understand spending habits, you're going to have your superiors push you to include more and more microtxns to feed on those ppl who have limitless wallets, hence reducing time spent on innovative design.

      Also pandering to your shareholders. That shit is the worst.

      I'm sure blizzard could make their games a billion times better if they spent less time trying to make money, and more making games.

      Steve Jobs puts it best in his interview. Here's the full interview. Quote starts exactly at 27:00

      I'm sure Apple has the same issues today.

      [–]FlyBlahTim 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      They're like the video game world Apple.

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        [–]Comrade__Questions 87 ポイント88 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Why can't we just get a Diablo 1 and 2 integrated into the B.Net launcher? I'd pay $20 for that. Not so much for a d3 level with recycled art assets.

        [–]MizerokRominus 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Because they want to make sure that multiplayer games that they add to the launcher all work with the entire backend framework; so it's a bit of a task.

        [–]test_tube_baby 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yah plus they would have to put some work into policing the games.

        [–]SmokeWeed123 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        They also don't want people to know how much better the 20 year old framework is.

        [–]Simplexletalis 112 ポイント113 ポイント  (91子コメント)

        That's it?

        Kind of disappointed really. At least Diablo III get's a new level. Wonder if it will be like a rift, or how that will work.

        [–]LG03 169 ポイント170 ポイント  (75子コメント)

        At least Diablo III get's a new level.

        Believe me, to use a rather notorious phrase the new level is something of a slap in the face.

        Blizzard is selling it as a Diablo 1 remake within D3 when the reality of it is it's just the D3 New Tristram church for ~15 levels with a grainy filter. Seriously, that's all it is.

        The running joke in the D3 community is that the games that aren't Diablo are getting more content than D3.

        [–]Kinky_Muffin 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (10子コメント)

        So theres not even any unique weapons or xmogs?

        [–]LG03 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (8子コメント)

        Nothing people will use. There's a cow pet, some blues/yellows that are callbacks and a legendary gem which is more detrimental than useful (helm gem that stuns you and does a super weak AOE).

        [–]iamdylanshaffer 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (7子コメント)

        I don't know about that, I personally think the weapons will be cool for transmogrification purposes at least?

        [–]ImFranny 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        transmogrification purposes

        Probably... But isn't that totally disappointing for a 20 year anniversary? It's pure shame. You'll beat this thing so fast and run out of new content so fast and you don't even have decent rewards. 1/2 (or even less!!) days after it comes out you'll be back to normal D3 content.

        [–]TehAlpacalypse 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        normal D3 content.

        and by that you mean the same shit we've had for the past year

        [–]elvadia28 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        true, the content might be okay but you can't not get bored of it at some point, every season adds so little to the game it's rarely worth coming back unless you haven't played all classes and one of the free sets they give you looks interesting and revolves around a build you haven't tried yet - even then, the fun disappears after a couple of weeks or so unless you're aiming for leaderboards.

        [–]originalSpacePirate [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        I absolutely love the D series and i've really enjoyed D3. Unfortunately each season is more of the same and incredibly boring since you level your 100th character through the exact same content you did the last several seasons. They really need to inject that game with more life, right now most D3 fans (even the hardcore ones) have no reason to jump on and there are a multitude of other similar games that have filled the niche D3 left.

        [–]short_lurker 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        There is one you can get off one of the side boss when I ran it through the PTR. Other than it's one of those visit once and forget about it.

        [–]xdeadzx 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        There are throwback weapons and armor icons, a few D1 iconic weapons, and a couple transmogs that look like updated d1 weapons.

        And Plate Armor of the Whale everywhere.

        [–]OogreWork 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        A friend of mine is trying to justify it by saying its a tribute to the old d1 players and is something he is really excited for... I see it as a slap in the face. The more i hear about this throwback, the more i regret its happening.

        [–]LG03 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Has he seen it from the PTR? Doesn't take much to dispel any optimism about it, just watching the first few minutes would be a wake up call.

        [–]OogreWork 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        na hes kind of read some patch notes, but is someone who tries to leaves things unknown for shock effect. And I havent looked much into it either cause from what i heard i would never have liked it anyways.

        [–]EntityZero 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        The worst part is, its limited content. This is only available during a certain time of the year each and every year. Its absolutely bullshit on their part.

        [–]OogreWork [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        yep! the moment i heard this it kind of made me lose all hope. I dont play a ton of diablo, but one thing I do know is that the game is really needing something new in order to make the game fresh again. Like I get some people played the shit out of d2 when that didnt have any new content added, but i dont think d2 handed out entire sets after a few days into the season...

        [–]xdeadzx 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Do we have the same friend? Told mine I played it on the PTR already and it was boring after the first 3 levels with 12 more to go. Nothing exciting besides the throwbacks and the unique pet.

        But he's still stupid hype for it, and won't touch the PTR to see the disappointment.

        [–]OogreWork [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        I hope not, I more people knowing my work reddit account lol.

        He will find a way to twist it to where he is having fun. Maybe I just see games differently, thats what ill tell myself.

        [–]buggalugg 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (7子コメント)

        The running joke in the D3 community is that the games that aren't Diablo are getting more content than D3.

        Well, path of exile gets updates every 3 months or so. Marvel heroes hasn't gotten a content update (not counting a new hero) since they implemented age of ultron more than a year ago, and it still has more content than diablo 3. Its kind of pathetic really.

        [–]moal09 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

        PoE has way way wayyy more content than D3 at this point. It's not even comparable.

        [–]IhateAngryBirds 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Marvel heroes hasn't gotten a content update (not counting a new hero) since they implemented age of ultron more than a year ago

        2016 added the last chapter though

        [–]buggalugg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        They dont have to add bew content via chapters.

        [–]Mudders_Milk_Man 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Grim Dawn has gotten several free updates, and they've added significant content every few months.

        [–]Synchrotr0n 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (7子コメント)

        I'm also disgusted by how bad Diablo 2 is right now. As soon as you log in into the game you start getting spammed by bots whispering you real money trading websites and every time you try to create a new game you get into a queue because Blizzard is too greedy to actually pay for a handful of cheap servers so real players can play properly.

        My friend invited me to play D2 again to remember the old times but I simply couldn't put up with all the shit going on with the game right now.

        [–]monetized_account 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I was astounded at how bad it had become.

        A few years ago I ranked in the ladder championships. I took that shit seriously.

        The servers now 'feel' slow, and it's very clear that Blizzard has been fiddling with the back-end to reduce server load, and increase the burden on client-side. For example you have to join channels now in a way you never used too, they were just up by default.

        I'm not going to be surprised when they announce they are closing the servers, it's that bad.

        [–]Magmaniac 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        check out /r/slashdiablo ! A private server with no bots and a great community.

        [–]FartyPooperScooper 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It's sad because I find D2 much much more enjoyable to sink time into than D3, even to this day. Magic finding is much more rewarding and rare items feel really super rare

        [–]Snuffsis 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Check out path of exile then, it should be right up your alley.

        [–]Synchrotr0n [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        PoE is one of my favorite games. I was just trying to play Diablo 2 for a bit, but it's unplayable unfortunately.

        [–]helacious [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Why dont you guys just play by direct ip...?

        [–]opackersgo 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (39子コメント)

        Path of Exile is a better Diablo game than Diablo 3.

        [–]Deformed_Crab 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (35子コメント)

        It's really not. Saying this has become a meme but it's just not. It doesn't hit the same notes where it counts for me. It's a good ARPG, but it doesn't have the same atmosphere. style and feel that Diablo has.

        [–]STiLL_bOoZiN 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I haven't played PoE but you just described my experience with D3

        [–]AlexMax 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        It's a good ARPG, but it doesn't have the same atmosphere. style and feel that Diablo has.

        Really? To me, PoE hits MUCH closer to that mark than Diablo 3 ever did. The decayed ruined environments, the way NPC's dispersed the story, the music, all of that made me feel like Path of Exile was more worthy of the crown of a proper Diablo sequel than Diablo 3.

        [–]wrath__ 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (15子コメント)

        Well Diablo 3 doesn't really have the Diablo atmosphere or style either imo.

        [–]ergo14 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Grim Dawn delivers on that.

        [–]Lonewxnderer 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (13子コメント)

        They're both shit diablo games then.

        [–]wrath__ 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (11子コメント)

        I haven't played POE, but I have yet to play a top down ARPG that's a worthy successor to Diablo 2

        [–]aNoirKid 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        You should seriously try Grim Dawn then. It brought back the feeling I had with D2

        [–]wrath__ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yeah I've been hearing more about this one.. I'll definitely check out some gameplay vids on it

        [–]Mudders_Milk_Man 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I like Path of Exile.

        I love Grim Dawn. The devs had added so much great free content, that I'm more than happy to buy the upcoming full expansion.

        [–]stuntaneous 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

        You.. need to play PoE.

        [–]wrath__ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        I'll check it out, my backlog is just massive right now haha

        [–]3D_bartholomew 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Except for Paths of Exile.

        [–]Sobeman 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Except diablo 3 doesn't even feel like diablo

        [–]ergo14 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Grim Dawn feels like diablo 1 for me - I love this about the game.

        [–]Seeders 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        ..how far have you played?

        Have you killed Piety in Act 3?

        [–]Snuffsis 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        PoE, while not as polished as d3, is a much better arpg, and it offers a lot more content.

        There are hundreds of skills and builds in Poe. And every one of them is viable (unless you fuck up really bad). And they keep adding new ones with new seasons.
        they have new gameplay mechanics every season.
        Every summer they even have races with different mechanics that awards points and gear.
        They have actual trading.
        Itemization is absolutely wonderful.
        But hey, as long as it is pretty right?

        [–]PM_ME_DEAD_FASCISTS 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        End game content alone makes PoE a better game.

        [–]dbcanuck 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Diablo 3 is World-of-Warcraft mechanics, design, plot devices, and art style masquerading as a Diablo title.

        It sold 16m copies, mainly on the Blizzard name and Diablo heritage. Sadly I think Diablo as a franchise goes back on the shelf for another 10-20 years, as the next game would have to stand on its merits and wouldn't be an automatic sale.

        [–]lestye 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        It sold 16m copies, mainly on the Blizzard name and Diablo heritage. Sadly I think Diablo as a franchise goes back on the shelf for another 10-20 years, as the next game would have to stand on its merits and wouldn't be an automatic sale.

        It sold way more than that. And most of their sales were AFTER the first year, so I don't think it was mainly the name and Diablo heritage.

        Further more, if D3 sold that well on those pretenses, why wouldnt a sequel share the same success?

        [–]glassdarkly33 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Diablo 3 is one of the best selling games of all time and has sold more copies after release than at release. You're wrong. Diablo 3 is overwhelmingly popular. Reddit just has some weird bias against it. It's incredibly good.

        It was a paradigm shift for me, I can't play games like this that don't freely let me switch around talents anymore. That was such an incredibly positive game changer. I like being able to experiment. I like being able to try new things without being forced to start the game over. I like having freedom and I like not following guides. If I'm locked into a build, I will follow a guide because I'd rather follow a guide than waste 50 hours on a subpar build.

        I will definitely be buying the next Diablo game, but I didn't buy Diablo 3 and I wasn't going to. I got it for free for being a WoW subscriber for a year. I absolutely hated Diablo 2 when I quit playing it about a year after release. I was beyond tired of it. It was a radically more simplistic and easy game than Diablo 3.

        [–]BONGLORD420 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Diablo 3 blows shit. It's like if WoW and D2 had a baby, but D2 wasn't allowed to have contact and so it was oh raised by WoW and didn't ever learn how to be a Diablo game.

        [–]Hyroero 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Agreed. I can't be too mad at D3 when PoE hits all the notes I liked about D2 and then some.

        On a side note I actually came to enjoy D3 on console as a mindless hack and slash, especially in co-op on the same screen.

        [–]buggalugg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Erm, no. Its a better ARPG, sure, but its not a good "diablo" esque game. they both hit very different notes.

        [–]BONGLORD420 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It's more of a Diablo game than D3.

        [–]khazixtoostronk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Personally as an arpg/diablo fan im more excited about the hearthstone tavern brawl

        [–]JATARC 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (13子コメント)

        They literally reused old assets and put a shitty pixelated filter on the game.

        It's an insult.

        [–]Gravskin 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        That looks terrible.

        [–]starseed42 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        That looks really cool, imo. The animation work combined with the filters is really effective. I'm going to enjoy playing through it.

        [–]JATARC [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        The "animation work" is simply a cut in the framerate of animations. They literally reduced the frames in existing animation. I hope you enjoy playing it though, just not worth the reinstall for a long time player like myself.

        [–]maurosQQ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I think this looks pretty cool. I dont understand the upset with this.

        [–]emotionalappeal [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Because they played Diablo 20 years ago and will never recapture their childhood, and that's the fault of everyone and everything except themselves.

        [–]The_Consumer 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

        If free content that disappoints you is enough to insult you, you might just need to grow thicker skin.

        And maybe consider the fact that you might be a little entitled.

        [–]beagleboyj2 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Just because it's free doesn't make it less shitty.

        [–]The_Consumer -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Are you defending someone who takes personal offense at free content that isn't to his liking?

        Whether or not that free content is "shitty" is completely subjective, also.

        A lot of really entitled people in this thread, for sure.

        [–]XZeroravenX 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Diablo 3 was one of the best selling game in history. Most of that came from the fan base that had a lot of fond memories from D2. Blizzard screws that up by releasing one of their worst game to date. The Auction House system encourage people to spend real money and it became a pay to win game. It took nearly a year and complete overhaul for the game be "decent" again. The people that still stuck with Diablo are true loyal fans. Imagine if any other company tried to pull something like that, Blizzard got away with it only because it's Blizzard.

        The 20th anniversary was a good opportunity for them for make up for the horrible launch in some way (the current d3 is still full of problems). All the fan base got from it is a confirmation that no new content was being developed and that the only thing they'll see for at least 2 more years is another job that will have to be paid for. Call people entitled if you want, but that's not even close to what is happening here.

        [–]The_Consumer 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        The 20th anniversary was a good opportunity for them for make up for the horrible launch in some way

        All of the free updates like Kanai's cube and numerous other things didn't make up for it?

        Entitled. For sure.

        [–]KershawTheCloser 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yea... Launch was almost 5 years ago. They've more than made up for it since.

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          [–]ifandbut [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          They are adding a new class as well. Not sure when it will be released.

          [–]Kurp 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (21子コメント)

          They MUST be working on the next Diablo and it's just not ready for announcement yet. Blizzard wants their titles to generate income years after the initial launch, and D3 doesn't do that. Large expansions require too much work. I don't understand the Necromancer DLC move they're doing, maybe testing the waters?

          Regardless, I'm craving for more Diablo in the future.

          [–]Lugonn 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Necromancer was probably part of the canned expansion. It was far enough into development that they could just throw it out there for those dumb enough to pay Blizzard $20 in celebration of Diablo's anniversary.

          [–]Kurp 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Great point, that would make a lot of sense.

          [–]elvadia28 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It would be weird if they weren't working on something.

          Necromancer is still in its infancy, it will only be ready late 2017, Diablo anniversary event is as low-effort as it can get (shitty filter on what looks like your average rift so no new assets), D3 hasn't gotten new content for a year now (Greyhollow Island was added late 2015) and seasons add so little it's rarely worth going back and rarely for more than a couple of weeks.

          If that is the best the Diablo team can do then we can assume they're either terrible at their job or a skeleton crew, if there's a team and they're working hard, it has to be on something else we aren't aware of.

          [–]Xet [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          They're going to sell a single class for $20?

          [–]itaveL 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

          At this point I'll settle for D2 being ported to their launcher. I won't hold my breath on D4 or a D2:HD remake, since it's becoming exceedingly clear just how Blizzard feels about the Diablo franchise.

          [–]JackkDude 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (8子コメント)

          Can't imagine they're super heavy into the next Diablo game when they're releasing a new character expansion in late 2017. The support is slowly but surely dropping off.

          [–]gabi1212 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

          This year they were hiring people for a unannounced diablo game, so it probably will happen in the next couple of years.

          [–]JackkDude 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I certainly look forward to whatever happens, without Jay Wilson it should be a much more focused game direction.

          [–]HuseyinCinar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Ffffffuuucccckkkkk Wilson. You just made me angry again. Fffffuuuccckkkk him with the biggest dildo ever manufactured.

          [–]duckwizzle 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          So far all signs of that pointed to making D2 work on modern machines - which it does now. I hope there is more to it though

          [–]gabi1212 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          One of the jobs was game director and animators/artist. I don't think you need game director just to make d2 work on modern machines.

          [–]lestye 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Best case scenario they're 2-3 years into development.

          [–]Frolossus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          why's that? it looks like this was just leftovers from the scrapped expansion

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            [–]stuntaneous 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (9子コメント)

            Every time Blizzard opens their mouths about Diablo and then fucks it up it's just another ad for Path of Exile.

            [–]rafikiknowsdeway1 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            so...uh...are they ever going to rerelease diablo 1 at some point? I still keep around my old disc, but it would be nice if it was formally on bnet

            [–]Jrrj15 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            It's a shame that this is all they did for the 20th anniversary especially considering everything I've heard about the Darkening of Tristram event is that its boring.

            [–]SchmidlerOnTheRoof 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (93子コメント)

            In response to the huge negative reaction I've seen to this content here and on /r/diablo, the game is almost 5 years old. There's no subscription cost. You got well over your $60 worth. You are not entitled to endless free content. Even if you don't like this update, you are still getting something. If you are complaining about this then I really don't know what else to say.

            [–]SteveWoods 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (28子コメント)

            Diablo is definitely in an awkward place when it comes to monetizing. But I can't fault people for being pissed when this is a pretty prominent part of an anniversary "celebration," and especially considering the cost of the game. Even if you paid full price at release, you paid $60 for the base game and $40 for the expansion, and you get so much content per dollar that getting this little for $20 for this feels like a complete ripoff thanks to established expectations.

            [–]whyufail1 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            How much did they bag while they had the RMT auction house in place as well? F2P games adding piles more content off cosmetic only income than this ever came close to. Blizzard has long since hit a wall and is just looking to milk what they have from their everloyal fans through manipulation (blind boxes) and nostalgia grabs at this point.

            [–]kittehsfureva 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Hit a wall? Blizzard is making more money now than they ever have. Whether you think they are successful at creating good games (which is subjective) they are empirically successful as a business.

            [–]GottaHaveHand -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            It's such a shame, I'm so glad indie gaming is alive and booming. I was scared around 07/08 and thought the death of gaming as I knew it would be over with DLC and micro transaction crap coming mainstream.

            Triple A gaming companies are no longer "by the gamer for the gamer", it's just business now. The indie shops are picking up that passion though and without them I probably wouldn't be playing games anymore because gaming got too big and it's no longer what it used to be. I think a lot of old school gamers feel the same way and that's why the indie teams are filling in that void.

            [–]moal09 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Triple A gaming companies are no longer "by the gamer for the gamer"

            It was wishful thinking to believe they ever were. It's just much more obvious now.

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              [–]perkel666 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (27子コメント)

              After selling 10mln+ coppies and being de facto game every one looks on (despite falling from grace).

              Look at Path of Exile. They introduce content every 3-4 months to game and that content changes mechanics in game creating vastly different meta game for people starting new leagues.

              And you can pay exactly 0$ to enjoy all of that. Next year they will be releasing act5 also for free and in between 2-3 content packs.

              [–]SchmidlerOnTheRoof 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (10子コメント)

              Path of Exile is a f2p game. It makes all of its money through a cosmetic shop. In order to keep making money it needs to keep people playing, this obviously leads to constant development of new content.

              Diablo is not the same. It is a one time purchase of $60-$120 (depending on when you bought RoS). After the game has sold, developing new content does little to return revenue other than getting new players convinced to buy the game as well.

              However, the game is 5 years old. Almost everyone that ever will get the game already has it by now. It does not make financial sense for Blizzard to continue developing content for a game that will return on that investment.

              I just don't understand what people want from Blizzard. At what point is enough post release content enough? Diablo had an extremely shaky opening with a lot of game design problems. But all of that has been turned around massively by post release free updates, and a very high content value paid expansion.

              Diablo 3 is by all means an excellent game now, and well worth its purchase price. Why should Blizzard still be expected to create new content for free?

              [–]hambog 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (8子コメント)

              I just don't understand what people want from Blizzard.

              They want new items, new content, new classes, and refinements to the progression system. They will pay money for it, like they did with Reaper of Souls.

              [–]Ganondorf_Is_God 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I agree and disagree. Having started D3 up again the last month after quitting over 2 years or so ago... I'm impressed and having a lot of fun.

              However, the launch game and content were... bad. Most of us were playing because we had friends playing, it was a new Blizzard game, and it was a new DIABLO. We all put more time into liking it and giving them chances to fix the broken poorly designed trainwreck than we'd have given any other game.

              Why should Blizzard still be expected to create new content for free?

              Because the people still playing honestly deserve a kickback. They put up with all D3's problems that took almost 3 years to fix. They had items that took hundreds to thousands of hours to get completely reworked, retooled, or recalculated.

              Blizzard had to make some hard choices but you should really reward your long time players. It's the same feeling I get when I look at post launch Destiny.

              [–]indelible_ennui 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (15子コメント)

              Does PoE have microtransactions?

              [–]enarc13 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (13子コメント)

              It does, but none of them affect gameplay at all. No powerful weapons or armor to buy, no experience boosts or things like that. It's almost all cosmetic stuff, but you can also buy more character slots or more item stash space.

              http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Microtransaction

              [–]perkel666 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              cosmetic shop or pet shop but 100% of it is just basically some small skins and shit. Never bought cosmetic items and only spend money on stash tabs for QoL (but you get "infinite space" either way since you can make new accounts as you want)

              [–]Yaliw 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              You got well over your $60 worth

              This is horribly subjective. I could pay literally $0 and play Path of Exile and get a better experience. Pay $20 for Grim Dawn which is probably the closest thing to a spiritual successor to Diablo 2. Pay $10-20 for torchlight 1/2 for a similar experience...

              ..or pay SIXTY dollars for Diablo 3....???

              [–]LG03 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (21子コメント)

              Wouldn't be a Blizzard thread without a fanboy showing up to dismiss any and all criticisms as 'entitlement'.

              [–]SchmidlerOnTheRoof 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (11子コメント)

              You just dismissed any and all of my points as 'fanboyism'

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                [–]bfodder 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                When you compare it to something like Path of Exile you can feel a bit jaded in terms of new content.

                [–]SchmidlerOnTheRoof 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                Path of Exile has a continuous revenue stream. Diablo does not.

                [–]bfodder 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                I bet Blizzard has made more money off D3 than the PoE devs have off PoE. Whose fault is the revenue stream problem anyway? Sure isn't mine.

                [–]SchmidlerOnTheRoof 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                I'm just saying that's why Diablo doesn't get content updates anymore. Blizzard held up well past their post release responsibilities and it no longer makes financial sense for them to continue developing content.

                The only way for PoE to make more money is to continue releasing content.

                [–]Snuffsis 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I mean, if blizzard wants more money from d3 they also have to create content, you know, like a new expansion that people are clamoring for. It doesn't have to be free, no one is saying that. They just want something new, something game changing. Hell thry could just steal path of exiles model for money and sell some new cool skill effects, stash tabs, specialised stash tabs that is bigger but is only for crafting mats. Heck, even more character slots. Maybe even add in an option for a clan stash, that has things like extra tabs as well.

                There are so many things they could do, but they don't.

                [–]bfodder 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I'm just saying that is why people are miffed.

                [–]Regards0 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Every time I see this I like to bring up the fact that Diablo 3 is in the top 10 best selling video games of all time. I highly doubt they lack financially.

                [–]xanasago [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Does is not entitle people to expect good content? I assume most would pay for it because it would be from Blizzard and it's Diablo. And even if it does not cost money, it's the time people invest and if they aren't satisfied because it's a really lazy attempt to celebrate the Diablo franchise.

                I would have no problem with microtransactions or a new expansion and pay for that. But it seems more like they are working on another product in the franchise or are just to scared after the auctionhouse.

                [–][deleted] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                E: Well I haven't said anything factually incorrect and this does seem to be spurring quite the discussion so..

                And the award for most passive aggressive end to a comment goes to...

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                  [–]Ecclesia_Andune 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I really cant get my head around how Blizzard treats Diablo to be honest. Like, it's not like in other industries where people are complaining about some tiny game not getting more content updates

                  Diablo 3 was one of the top 10 selling video games EVER. There are still loads and loads of people playing it, and that's AFTER there hasn't been any decent new content in over a year. There is such a massive player base who would be willing to come back and pay money for even just an expansion. The cost/benefit for Blizzard is massive.

                  They make something like Overwatch, an entirely new IP, treading into unknown waters (obviously an enormous success) yet they wont make new content for an already established playerbase? It's really bewildering to me

                  [–]DrinkingSparklingH2O [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  I don't think I enjoy how Blizzard always tries to combine their game universes, I just wish they would keep them independent. Heroes of the Storm being the only exception, since that is it's core aspect.

                  Diablo III really took a hit when they WoWified the stat and level system instead of just continuing the Diablo II system with an easier respec option.

                  It really takes me out of the Diablo Universe when I keep seeing Thunderfury or Kerrigan's wings on every other player as-well. I guess that is part of the everyone is special gimmick.

                  Why do I have to be a Nephalem, can't I just be a Barbarian who has trained against all odds to fight back against this unstoppable force. You kind of feel like you are going to win the fight right off the bat in Act 1 because you are the Nephalem, instead of feeling like you are fighting for survival in a dark and cruel world.

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