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The_Donald has gone full Pro-Zionism after election was won... (self.conspiracy)

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Well that sure didn't take long. Amidst the UN talks, and the anti-muslism rhetoric the JDIF has slipped in and taken a hold of The_Donald and are now equating pro-trump with pro-zionism. I'm happy to see a lot of people still speaking out Zionism in the sub, but there are talks of mods removing posts that are critical of Israel, and now we're seeing sticky posts on that sub with pro-Zionism hints.

Remember: just because you're pro-trump doesn't mean you have to toe the line with Zionism, and hate arabs. I hope this isn't a sign of a negative 4 years at our feet. I've been pretty open minded about trump so far, but this has made my ears perk up and smell something fishy.

Before CTR there was JDIF and it seems they've got a new target: Donald Trump supporters.

edit: Here's your source https://m.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5kuf3u/t_d_stands_with_israel/

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[–]PunchoVilla 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's always amazed me that Israel is consistently able to convince both left and right that they are our greatest ally.

[–]plato_thyself 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (25子コメント)

From wikipedia:

Conceived by Andrew Breitbart during a visit to Israel in summer 2007, with the aim of founding a site "that would be unapologetically pro-freedom and pro-Israel", Breitbart later aligned with the European populist right and American alt-right under the management of former executive chairman Steven K. Bannon's management.

Steve Bannon is Trump's Chief Strategist and Senior Counselor. Bloomberg calls him one of the most powerful men in Washington.

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    [–]plato_thyself 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    More smoke & mirrors from the media, shouldn't surprise anyone

    [–]d3rr 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Evil nonsense, and it has gone over swimmingly.

    [–]Zig_Zagged -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If you're in any way suggesting this is a double backing lie for the media to secretly aid him by smoke screening the other direction, it seems implausible. But the MSM seems to be so godawful who knows if they're sandbagging to layer on the distractions.

    [–]color_swap 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    That's the thing, there are some pretty strong anti-Jewish views that reside in the "alt-right", but it also seems as though they are very pro-Israel.

    Personally, I think the alt-right itself is a massive psy op, likely on the behalf of Israeli interests. And Bannon is one of the leaders.

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      [–]libertyant 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      /u/digdog303 /u/colour_swap

      Have you guys actually visited /r/altright ?

      They have basically a copy of this thread on front page.

      They are open and discuss the JQ as much as this sub.

      Milo and Cernovich are disavowed by them and considered altlight

      [–]AdolfBocajHiedler 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      May God Help Us all

      [–]SeorgeGoros -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      The majority of Trump supporters arent alt-right. Majority of alt-right hates Jews. Liberal psy ops probably

      [–]Horus_Krishna_5 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      maybe don't go supporting Zionist trump if you're truly alt right then

      [–]Kalki_Filth 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The alt-right is not pro-Israel at all, not in the slightest. I have no idea where you would get that from. No leading figures are pro Israel. None.

      [–]digdog303 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I agree. The right is easier to coopt by $ and totalitarian interests(military type entities).

      [–]ris4republican 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      the alt-right is a psy-op, high level insider said it was back in September

      http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/87304857/#87309030 Direct Link

      [–]Kalki_Filth 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      LOL this "high level insider" also claims that Obama and Osama are the same person

      [–]MarxistInternational 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (8子コメント)

      Just the same as one can be anti-Zionist while not being anti-Semitic, one can likewise be anti-Semitic while at the same time pro-Zionism. These people have no scruples.

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        [–]MarxistInternational 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        You can possess a general disdain for people of Semitic backgrounds while simultaneously promoting a pro-israeli worldview from which you would likely benefit. It’s utterly cynical, but nothing is out of the realm of possibility for these scoundrels.

        Also, despite its modern connotations, "Semitic" also refers to Arabs.

        [–]AdolfBocajHiedler 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        They hate jews but don't mind them being in palestine so they don't have to be around them

        [–]basedMomsen 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        how can you be anti-Semitic and also believe in a movement for the development and protection of a Jewish nation?

        Christianity which requires the Temple of Solomon to be rebuilt for Jesus to come back is the core of support for Israel in the US. They don't give a fuck about Jews as long as they usher in the Eternal Kingdom.

        spit

        [–]d3rr 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        they want every appointee from Trump to be perceived as a terrible choice.

        Or, they want to distract you from the Zionist swamp filling of Trump's appointees.

        [–]SeorgeGoros 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        They want the jews to leave theor country and go to Israel instead

        [–]AdolfBocajHiedler 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Because they hate jews but don't mind them being in Palestine.....

        so they don't have to be around them

        [–]ItsAboutSharing 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Makes one wonder if all of this was just a plan...

        [–]TheUniverseis2D 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (7子コメント)

        Came here from the_donald. Man am I freaked out about what's happening to our sub.

        [–]OrthodoxSlavicEmpire 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Just got banned for speaking out. You're not alone, buddy.

        [–]FuckMeBernie 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Haven't been there in a while, what's exactly going on there?

        [–]Spiritual_Matter 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Almost every other thread is now a pro Israel thread.100's of comments get constantly deleting for speaking out against Israel which gives that appearance of a pro israel sub. I'v unsubbed I can't watch the sub burn like that.

        [–]Europeanquarantined 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I just washed up here from the donald, its important we don't leave now though. I'm going to respond to comments in a civil and objective manner and make sure the truth is at least heard by some, until they ban me. There are moderates there, not just zionists and neocons and those moderates will see what is going on. Us leaving is what they want, I will only do it when banned and I suggest you do the same. Even if they ban anyone who objects to settlements and massive foreign aid and points out how Israel is not a good ally and has been constantly manipulating America into fighting its wars if we can sew the seeds before we are canned that could help bring people around. Mention the USS Liberty, foreknowledge of terror attacks (9/11 and 7/7) and the fact that they have stolen secrets from America and sold them to China and that they have never backed America in a war, the average American will see whats going on.

        [–]Spiritual_Matter 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Almost every other thread is now a pro Israel thread.100's of comments get constantly deleting for speaking out against Israel which gives that appearance of a pro israel sub. I'v unsubbed I can't watch the sub burn like that.

        [–]Infinity6 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        It is clearly being controlled by non-American shill accounts with ulterior motives. They ban you for voicing any even slightly contradictory opinion to their predetermined point of view. They have created an ultra right wing "safe space", similar to the ones they hate on liberals so much for.

        [–]SpuckFez [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Came here from the_donald

        What does that even mean? You are on reddit. You aren't "here". You need to stop looking for somewhere to be, and just be yourself. You don't need a group identity, you need a self identity. When you have a self identity you are more likely to see past the herd's bullshit and more easily discern truth from lies.

        [–]cakes_and_pies 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        His daughter is a practicing Jew: https://www.google.com/amp/www.ibtimes.com/ivanka-trumps-jewish-faith-11-things-know-about-donald-trumps-daughter-judaism-2393299%3Famp%3D1?client=ms-android-google

        Is anybody really surprised?

        [–]Afrobean 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Is anybody really surprised?

        People who bought in to Trump's faux populism?

        Then again, anyone dumb enough to be tricked there is probably also not even informed enough about what's going on in the world to realize why Trump's stance on Israel is really fucked up and bad. Although... there are some white supremacists who legitimately think Trump is on their side, and although they likely know little about what's going on in the world, I bet those antisemitic fucks would be shocked to see Trump's stance on Israel.

        [–]UnchartedDarkness 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (14子コメント)

        Trump is absolutely a Zionist.

        Surely you already knew this? His kids are Jewish hardcore Zionists who are a very big part of Trump's administration. They will have an outsized say in everything involving Israel.

        Trump, earlier today, told Israel he would overturn the US refusal to veto the UN condemnation of Israeli settlements on Palestinian lands.

        Trump also is considering defunding the United Nations simply because this vote occurred in the first place.

        In fact, Trump has also planned to move the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, a de facto recognition that Israel's rightful capital is Jerusalem. This is scary business for so many reasons.

        [–]cherif84 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        We'll see if the world (MSM) will still be against Trump after this.

        Anyways that sub is full of shit.

        [–]zukoandhonor 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Yes they will. trump was always a Zionist during campaign and rallies.

        [–]KingOfDaVillage 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I remember at the AIPAC conference, a bunch of Rabbis said they were going to walk out in protest of Trump.

        None did, though.

        They loved him.

        They were literally selling MAGA yamikas, at the snack bar.

        [–]zukoandhonor 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Exactly. now the sudden surprise at trump's pro israel stance looks manufactured and fake to me.

        [–]DrDarkMD 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The reason for the surprise is those ‘low-information’ voters we keep hearing aobut..

        They saw maybe a couple of issues they shared views on with Trump and jumped on his bandwagon full force, without ever really looking into everything else he stood for but just wasn’t saying, at least in ear shot of them.

        [–]B_sir 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Can you explain why this is bad?

        [–]woodmoon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Jerusalem is not Israeli land, it's both Palestinian and Israeli, and a city that is home to both Arabs and Jews. Pretending it's Israeli just pisses of Arabs everywhere, and rightfully so, since it's home to the Dome of The Rock; arguably the holiest of holy sites in the world.

        [–]Tugger 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Can you post some soures? Otherwise it just seems like speculation.

        [–]hadhad69 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It's not exactly a new position.

        On the campaign trail in 2016, the New York billionaire—like most Republican candidates—frequently promised to tear up the Iran deal and move the U.S. Embassy to divided Jerusalem (in previous years, Democrats have made similar promises). In March, speaking at the annual convention of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the powerful pro-Israel lobby known as AIPAC, Trump accused the United Nations of trying to “impose” an agreement on Israel and Palestinians.

        http://europe.newsweek.com/donald-trump-israel-iran-netanyahu-aipac-nuclear-accord-palestinians-abbas-532081?rm=eu

        [–]2-DRY-4-2-LONG -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        this

        [–]Metriacanthosaurus -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Do you even know what Zionist means?

        [–]WhenYouCloseYourEyes -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        yeah thats why they went to a Jesuit School - Georgetown

        makes no sense - he is helping Israel to counter Obama - not becuase he is a zionist lol

        the UN are implicit in the trafficking, and should be dismantled

        [–]CaptIncorrect -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You should go back to school and complete grade 4 english before you try typing your obscure political opinions.

        [–]HS_00 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (13子コメント)

        Trump is looking like the Zionist trojan horse. So far, he has given them control of the Treasury and they will still maintain their control over the Federal Reserve.

        [–]kayjaylayray 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        What?

        Israel has been in control of the US for decades. They don't need a horse. This is status quo.

        [–]fckndthhrsrdnn 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (11子コメント)

        He did say in a quote that he prefers Jews handling his money.

        [–]Horus_Krishna_5 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (10子コメント)

        I was told by sjws that it's racist even if you are praising a race like saying Asian people are very smart.

        [–]fckndthhrsrdnn 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

        It's a form of stereotyping which can create pressure or expectation to live up to the stereotype, or else always being compared against it. It's not blatant racism but it does make for uncomfortable conversations sometimes if say, you're asian but not very studious or black but not athletic. Just because it's perceived as a 'positive' stereotype doesn't mean individuals benefit by it.

        [–]Horus_Krishna_5 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        sounds sjwish

        [–]gemininature [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        Sucks for you that common decency and respect have become too "sjwish" for you

        [–]86chef [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

        If I saw you, and decided that everyone that looks like you is as retarded as you are, would that be fair to those other people? Now pretend you are smart.

        [–]spottedcows [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        I believe the term is "microaggressions"... mmmm Kay.

        [–]d3rr 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Trump showed his cards back at AIPAC in March 2016: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHmINZRwiZU

        [–]LightBringerFlex 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (8子コメント)

        Something is up with the mods there. I really think the sub has been hijacked except they are letting most things go through so not to tip anyone off.

        [–]libertyant 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (7子コメント)

        I used to think the drop in actively people was due to a persistence on shit posting rather than debate and investigation but now I'm convinced they're just banning all anti zionists / people who talk about JQ

        People in /r/altright complaining about constant bans for this

        [–]LightBringerFlex 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Ya lots of,bans at any anti Israel speech.

        [–]Kalki_Filth 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Feel free to call Muslims goatfucking savages all day, but question why 95% of our media is controlled by Jews? Banned

        [–]poohead3 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yup, I just got perma-banned from the_zionald.

        [–]maharito 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        They haven't banned me, and I've spoken out on three occasions. Granted, I'm more of the position that Zionism is racist rather than a traditional anti-Zionist. And Kerry's speech actually sickened me.

        [–]TheFoolofBuckkeep 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        And Kerry's speech actually sickened me.

        What about his speech sickened you?

        I'm more of the position that Zionism is racist rather than a traditional anti-Zionist

        I'm kinda learning about this now, but I thought the traditional anti-Zionist movement was because it was racist.

        [–]libertyant 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I've gotten away with pointing out that Israel is Anti Assad and how ISIS never seems to attack them

        Mentioning evils of Cultural Marxism is allowed.

        Just blamed on KGB and Commies

        TBH at least they're talking about it

        [–]SuperPuffin 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        They're following their leader.

        Trump endorsed Netanyahu, you're surprised?

        [–]HairyTacoFanatic 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        This. The_donald is full of shit posting memes. Trump says Israel good then expect a wave of memes in support dragging behind it a meme wave of all things opposed to it.

        [–]Wildinvalid 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yuck

        [–]LewTangClan 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Dude, thank you for posting this. Seriously. This is going to be really bad, like possible war bad.

        Also, you would think this post would have more upvotes. Really shows how many people here are willing to turn a blind eye to Trump's bullshit.

        [–]SnipTheTipthenSip[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The agents of Zionism online are very organized. This post doesn't have anything they can disprove, because anyone could just take a look at the_donald and see it. They cant paint me as a shill, because my post history proves I'm pro-American, love my country and dispised Hillary Clinton (and love civ6). So they downvote enmass to hide it. Common tactic.

        [–]MarxistInternational 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Why wouldn't The_Donald be an unapologetically reactionary forum?

        [–]Disquestrian 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I hope there is room for differing opinions on Israel, if not this sub will be ax bad as the intolerant left.

        On a related note this piece may make you feel betted about the whole thing And where Donald really stands on Israel. It's exceptional.

        https://platosguns.com/ first article at the top

        [–]gamekorp 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        If you guys recall... literally right after the primaries both candidates pledged allegiance to Israel, didn't see anyone complaining then.

        [–]Mars_To_Sirius 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It was before the primaries ended. Bernie decided not to give a speech to AIPAC.

        [–]badgertime33 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (13子コメント)

        I'll give you guys, there's a weird amount of support for Israel. But remember, most of them are not privy to the notion that 9/11 was an inside job, quite possibly with MOSSAD involvement. Perhaps that would be a better starting point than all the nutbags in here screaming: jewish boogeyman!!

        The problem with this sub, however, is it's heavily infiltrated by actual anti-semites. Yes, i know hacids have extremely racial theories. Yes, there is probably a jewish mafia. But they are by no means at the top of the pyramid. They're one of the gangs competing for power. The vast majority of jews are as innocent as followers of catholicism are for the actions of their church.

        Having said all that, the concern is that Obama is acting absolutely recklessly, it seems like he's willing to start a war just to make a wee bit of history in the middle east for his ailing legacy. It gets us nowhere to try and force a sovereign state's hand. Especially one with nukes.

        [–]photonicphacet 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Perhaps that would be a better starting point than all the nutbags in here screaming: jewish boogeyman!!

        Yeah, but why are we screaming: jewish boogeyman? Perhaps because of 9/11? (along with a ton of other things)

        [–]badgertime33 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        9/11 implicates a bunch of foreign and domestic agents, most of them not Jewish.

        [–]photonicphacet [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Such as who?

        [–]SeorgeGoros 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Yeah. I thought the 9/11 conspiracies were the U.S. and Saudis

        [–]badgertime33 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Mossad was involved as well, look up dancing israelis.

        [–]DrDarkMD -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Mossad was involved as well, look up dancing israelis.

        Yep, and the Kenyans, look up Masaai Plane Dance.

        [–]TheFoolofBuckkeep 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        most of them are not privy to the notion that 9/11 was an inside job

        Oh, are you privy to that?

        [–]badgertime33 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Um, yea.

        [–]TheFoolofBuckkeep 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        What secret or inside information do you have?

        [–]badgertime33 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        That 9/11 was an inside job? Do you even conspiracy, mr. Condescention?

        [–]TheFoolofBuckkeep 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        That's not secret or inside information. Do you know something that isn't out there in the public sphere yet?

        [–]DrDarkMD 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        So non then. Glad we cleared that up.

        [–]SnipTheTipthenSip[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        No one is screamimg "jewish boogymen!" I love my jewish brothers. I do not agree with the actions of zionists settlers, and the amount of clout they have over the government. It's like no one realises that the individual who plows down a Palestinian home to make way for a jewish settlement after a bombing raid is going to make a lot of money and can't make the connection between bombing raid > tare down rubble > build settlement > profit and see how disgusting it is. As far as I'm concerned everyone who takes part in settlement operations is complacent in the murder of women and children.

        If jews want to run our money, and be at the top of entertainment i could give two shits. They're obviously talented people to excel in these fields.

        [–]urwonderful 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        By moving us embassy to Jerusalem, trump will bring the third intifada and hopefully the end of Israel.

        [–]Diluted_Jack 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        I hang out at TD a lot. There is this vibe it's just a bunch of people who support Trump who took it into just laughing /with/ each other that they won.

        Then I asked "Why exactly do we support Israel?"

        That didn't last long.

        [–]SeorgeGoros 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Why not support Israel?

        Inb4 they can support themselves

        We support isis, al qaeda, every muslim nation, ukraine, south korea, taiwan... Why not support Israel but support the others? If we shouldn't support the others as well, why so much focus on Israel instead of the other nations/groups?

        [–]SnipTheTipthenSip[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Tulsi Gibberd just introduced a bill into the house to stop funding of moderate and extremists rebel groups in the mid east. She's a democrat by the way, also a veteran.

        [–]moissiens 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        When did you ask that? Looking through your post history in the last 10 days says you are lying. Why would you lie about that?

        [–]a9832941 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (20子コメント)

        shhh, nobody is allowed to talk about Trump negatively on here and we're especially not allowed to talk about his Zionism! we only talk about pizza here

        [–]everyonebnice 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (19子コメント)

        Literally everytime I sign on to this sub I see anti-Trump threads and comments with very few pro-Trump ones. Wtf are you talking about?

        [–]TheFoolofBuckkeep 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (17子コメント)

        Hmm, I check this sub everyday. I've seen a small handful of popular threads that are anti-Trump.

        The joke is that the anti-Clinton threads are much more common, and the "conspiracy" community doesn't appear to be overly interests in looking into Trump.

        I do expect that to change over time though.

        [–]everyonebnice 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (16子コメント)

        That's because Trump is the first person elected president with no ties to bilderberg, trilateral commission, bohemian grove, skull and bones, freemasonry or any of the other places that are supposedly where the illuminati gets together to decide future world leaders. Not only that, it would appear by all objective accounts that every establishment force genuinely aligned against him in the general election.

        That, combined with the fact that Clinton on the other hand had ties to almost all of those groups, is why you see more anti-Clinton threads on a conspiracy forum. She's essentially illumanati epitomized whereas Trump genuinely has no discernible ties. Regardless of that, people trash him anyway and it's insane to suggest that this sub is somehow in his corner or in his defense, so your point is totally nonsense and just typical left-wing victim playing even when it's not true.

        [–]TheFoolofBuckkeep 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (10子コメント)

        That's because Trump is the first person elected president with no ties to bilderberg, trilateral commission, bohemian grove, skull and bones, freemasonry or any of the other places that are supposedly where the illuminati gets together to decide future world leaders.

        Delusional. Trump is part of the world elite. He lives in a gilded tower in New York. He has ties to all of the elite. If you are concerned about Hillary, he donated $100,000 to her foundation, by the way.

        by all objective accounts that every establishment force genuinely aligned against him in the general election.

        Which objective accounts? He was endorsed by the Speaker of the House, the Leader of the Senate, and the RNC - a perfect trifecta. Many of his former Republican establishment opponents campaigned for him in the end.

        She's essentially illumanati epitomized whereas Trump genuinely has no discernible ties.

        OMG dude. You aren't looking. The boogeyman of yesterday is nobody today, there is a new world leader.

        On this trajectory, this "conspiracy' sub will be jerking off to Clinton years after she's become a nobody, while ignoring the most powerful man in the world. What are his foreign business interests? Do you honestly not care?

        [–]everyonebnice -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Honestly you're living in a fantasy world just because you hate Trump for personal reasons and obviously shilling for your party. Saying "No no but he's rich!" doesn't = ties to "illumanti". Period. Factually. It does not. Every president to come before has ties to those groups as do most prominent politicians. You don't get to just yell "Wah wah but he's rich" and classify someone as "illuminati". If that's what you think, go make an occupy poster and stand on wall street with the rest of rejects and bums (who are actually being funded by the people they think they're protesting). Or a BLM poster or whatever Soros groups are calling themselves these days. You're just another person jealous and resentful of those who have it better to me.

        If you're seriously going to say that the establishment power base did not make a concerted effort against Trump then you're not even trying to have an honest discussion, which means I have no more interest in carrying this on any further.

        And no I could care less about his foreign business interests, they're just alarmist, bigoted bullshit by the left. An empty attempt to discredit someone for something that's totally not illegal or immoral in any way.

        And I could especially care less considering he's the first candidate to run on a platform of putting America first in my lifetime (which is what makes it kind of laughable when dems try to make this fantasy, without evidence, of him being beholden to foreign powers, after 8 years of UN Obama)

        BTW since we're talking about that, your beloved Hillary took 25 million from Saudi Arabia and podesta received an email which read "Foreign govt donations, the money is IN" (Which literally is illegal and basically treasonous BTW).

        [–]TheFoolofBuckkeep 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        And no I could care less about his foreign business interests

        Let me guess, you're obsessed by every little thing Hillary has done of the last three decades, but apparently you don't care at all about Trump's foreign business interests. This is just bizarre to me, dude.

        obviously shilling

        What do you think this means? What does it mean to you? I hate that having a political opinion = shilling.

        If you're seriously going to say that the establishment power base did not make a concerted effort against Trump

        He was endorsed by the Leader of the Senate, the Speaker of the House, and the RNC - the epitome of the Republican establishment. His Transportation Secretary is the wife of the Republican Leader, and a former Bush appointee. His Chief of Staff is the former chair of the RNC. HIs AG is a long-standing Republican Senator - part of the swamp, like the others. He is surrounding himself by the establishment.

        Hillary took 25 million from Saudi Arabia and podesta received an email which read "Foreign govt donations

        I'm sorry to break it to you, but Trump actively solicited donations from foreign governments. From the President of Mexico, and from lawmakers in Scotland, England, Iceland, Australia, and more. That's illegal, but he way. Yet Trump gave between $100,000 and $250,000 to the Clinton Foundation.

        By the way, the two largest donors to the Trump Campaign were the McMahon's. Linda McMahon was just appointed to his Cabinet. Pay to Play, anyone?

        I'm also curious about what Trump uses his Foundation for. I know it spent $20,000 to by a 6 foot tall portrait of himself and his small hands. And another portrait of himself for $10,000. And a Tebow autograph for $12,000. And he used Foundation funds to settle lawsu8ts.

        Why is it tax free, again?

        *Edit. Ooh, I found more.

        Trump accepted donations for a registered lobbyists for Saudi Arabia. From an agent for a leader of the Congo. From members of a firm that represent the embassy of Korea, embassy of Bangladesh, and the Center of Studies and Media Affairs at the Saudi Royal Court.

        [–]everyonebnice 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Wow what a giant wall of lies, half-truths and misinformation.

        I'm sorry to break it to you, but Trump actively solicited donations from foreign governments.

        LOL this is how I see shit like this and know that you and those on your "side" who spew this nonsense are pieces of shit. Those are chain emails that his campaign sent out to anyone they could. Some of them found their way out of the country the way same way any chain email does. You're seriously trying to suggest he solicited donations from Vincente Fox from that? A man who publicly and actively spoke against him at every opportunity and whom he had a public "feud" with?

        FUCK you people are MENDACIOUS!

        By the way, the two largest donors to the Trump Campaign were the McMahon's. Linda McMahon was just appointed to his Cabinet. Pay to Play, anyone?

        But the problem is that this factually is not pay to play. You factually cannot tie Linda McMahon being appointed to his cabinet to donations made my Vince McMahon, who is a long time friend and business partner of Trump. Your assertion that she was appointed because of financial contribution rather than her longstanding association with the man and being someone that he was familiar with and could trust is absolutely baseless and unfounded. You should feel shame at leveling such an accusation but sadly I know that shame is one emotion people like you do not feel.

        Trump accepted donations for a registered lobbyists for Saudi Arabia. From an agent for a leader of the Congo. From members of a firm that represent the embassy of Korea, embassy of Bangladesh, and the Center of Studies and Media Affairs at the Saudi Royal Court.

        And anyone can make a donation? Any citizen of the US can donate to a presidential campaign. Not illegal. What your talking about is factually not the same thing that your rotten, corrupt, illuminati demigogue Hillary did. Period.

        I'm also curious about what Trump uses his Foundation for. I know it spent $20,000 to by a 6 foot tall portrait of himself and his small hands. And another portrait of himself for $10,000. And a Tebow autograph for $12,000. And he used Foundation funds to settle lawsu8ts.

        Without even bothering to check on the majority of those cases you mention, because I already know what a lying, mendacious piece of shit you are, I'll just say that off the top of my head I know that your reference to Trump using his foundation money to "settle a lawsuit" is bullshit. He fought a legal battle with the foundation money for the right to fly the American Flag. People like you and the BS left wing media keep trying to spin it as he did something dishonest. Not that it's important, but I'm willing to bet if I took the time to look into the other charges (which I won't, because you've proven yourself so blatantly dishonest) I would find the other side of the story to dispute those too!

        You are a lying piece of human shit!

        Edit: Oh and saying over and over again that Paul Ryan endorsed him means something is really embarrassing to your own argument as everyone who actually followed his campaign (and didn't get their info from left-wing media) knows all of the drama and BS that surrounded that. Not that it would matter anyhow as obviously the speaker is going to endorse the Republican Nominee once he's the nominee or risk political suicide (Even though he almost didn't and to this day gets booed by Republicans at rallies for how he handled things).

        No. The establishment was not on his side. That was readily apparent. You're living in a world of fucking make-believe.

        Buddy honestly you are either really evil or really stupid to believe MSM / left-wing lies without cross checking the facts for yourself on something other than "snopes" or "politifact", which are nothing more than fictional vehicles for left-wing propaganda.

        [–]ChildofAbraham [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        best comment of the day, thank you sir. Wholeheartedly approve of

        FUCK you people are MENDACIOUS!

        it's just so obvious when people are actively trying to prevent assimilating any new information that may impact their predispositions and already constructed world view. There is great honor in having the humility to say 'you know, I hadn't considered that' or something along those lines...you know, allowing for 'growth' haha.

        Good on ya for taking the time; even if you didn't make progress with the person you were talking to, at least you are impacting the lurkers' and other readers' perceptions. Perspective, so important

        [–]VillageMask -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Damn, thats some strong hallucinations fed by the media sonny.

        [–]TheFoolofBuckkeep 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Which part?

        [–]FuckMeBernie 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I wish Trump supporters would stop just saying "no" and actually prove it wrong. If people are wrong about those very specific points. Please source us crrdible evidence saying its wrong.

        [–]ChildofAbraham [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        check out everyonebnice's comment. Was strong. I mean, he didn't provide sources, but any of what he is saying should be easily verifiable, and it would be unfair to put the burden of proof on him when he is responding to another's unproven claims

        [–]Architek9 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        I agree. I am somewhat of a Trump supporter in that I want him to do good by America and you guys bash me about it. r/conspiracy holds no side in politics. All politicians are guilty of something and I look to you guys to find the shits honest truth.

        [–]everyonebnice 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I want him to do good for America and if he is a failure to us I would be the first person to admit it, but these pieces of shit are trying to condemn the man before he even takes office. They're telling flat out lies in the MSM about his use of foundation funds, "soliciting foreign donations" (See my response to another redditor in this thread) and "foreign business ties" that are either totally normal, not illegal or flat out untrue to try to smear him and make him seem delegitimized. It's fucking pathetic. As far as I see, the establishment is throwing everything at this man and I'm personally very glad to see someone they don't like in power.

        [–]Architek9 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        You have to look at the liberal agenda from far away and unfortunately only conservatives can do that. They have a goal and that is to make every male child, transgender and emotionally unstable. They will all be slaughtered by Islam. The women will be taken as wives. Hollywood will be more like Bollywood. The world will look like 2 places: Dubai or Detroit. Liberalism is a guise for the purge. They will lie, cheat and kill. What happens after January 20th is still up in the air. We are not guaranteed to be saved by Trump or by the Congress. Our last hope will be the Military. The reversal must happen. The schools must reset and preach America or we are all fucked.

        [–]ChildofAbraham [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Unfortunately Arch, you are probably turning off 99% more people than you are turning on with that extremist rhetoric. Even if you think it's true, well, there's just so much supposition in there it comes across as blind hate.

        People like information :)

        I agree with you that having a certain amount of distance aids one's perspective, but you instantly discredited yourself from serious convo by drawing such extreme(ly unsupported) conclusions. Honest feedback - hope it helps.

        Unless you are just a psy op to take the credibility that everyonebnice is generating thru his wicked discourse and associate it with an equal level of conscious ignorance that he was railing against in the first place?

        Either way - time to up your game :P :)

        [–]StrongDad1978 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        How can you be so willfully blind?

        [–]NotANinja -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        What are you talking about there were several months of this sub being the_Jr

        [–]rockytimber 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The the neoliberals didn't just give Israel 38 billion and 8 years of mercenary services in the Middle East?

        [–]ItsAboutSharing 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yep and this has me extremely worried. Instead of making this just a smack in the face of Israel (and I do think Obama is trying to start trouble), why not just go back to the agreed upon border so we can have a 2 State solution?

        [–]StrongDad1978 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Infowars has gone full openly zionist too. The comments though lol most are not buying it.

        [–]KingJames19 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I'm in my 30s and still do not understand a single thing about Israel/USA relations

        [–]ghost_of_stonetear 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Their dear leaders banned me for saying they were "compromised", which I never said. When I asked them to look at my comment because I never said that, they muted me.

        Proof:

        http://imgur.com/oKk7opj.jpg

        http://imgur.com/9GnlyIJ

        https://www.ceddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5kpsa4

        Permabanned now.

        http://imgur.com/ES2gAc5.jpg

        [–]petedacook [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Let's not kid ourselves and believe Obama was not pro-Israel for the past 8 years. This recent move made by the administration is smoke and mirrors. Nothing has been done the last 8 years to stop Israeli settlements.

        I am not sure it is possible to have a federal govt. that is not pro-Israel.

        [–]andronicii [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        Israel is not a real country, rather it is an extension of the U.S. military-industrial complex: a majority of Israelis have dual citizenship (or the right to it), usually European or American; Israel is a European/American settler colony of a sectarianly exclusionary nature; it is the last acceptable European-created and populated colony in the world; its imperial function is to represent in the Middle East and the Asia Minor region the extreme right-wing/military-wing of the European/American hegemonic establishments, and by doing so permanently disrupt pan-Arab/Persian efforts to establish nationalist, democratic secular republics which authentically represent the will of majorities within the Greater Middle East Region--an absolute no-no if you are an external imperial power that perceives control of the region's unrivaled energy patrimony as a sine qua non for the continuity of its global hegemonic role.

        [–]SpuckFez [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        It's interesting that the sidebar picture is a photoshop of Trump eating pizza crust first. That is a warning - they have dirt on Trump and they are letting him know it.

        [–]GoFyourself2x 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

        I tried to upload a website on this sub about Jews fucking girls at the age of 3 and boys at the age of 9 and it wouldn't let me. I had to upload it as a text

        They have some censorship on the Jews.

        [–]TheFoolofBuckkeep 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        You tried to upload a website? What does that even mean? Seriously lol

        [–]GoFyourself2x 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        lol I tried to upload a website on here by the "link" option and it wouldn't let me so I had to upload it by text.

        It's like they had that website flagged to not upload.

        [–]TheFoolofBuckkeep 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Which website was it? You can upload your answer by text if that's easier

        [–]Sabremesh 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        You mean this;

        http://www.dailystormer.com/talmud-pedophilia-the-jewish-religion-allows-sex-with-3-year-old-baby-girls-and-little-boys-under-nine/

        It works fine. However, because it was submitted 9 months ago, you have to follow the instructions and go through the submit process twice.

        [–]GoFyourself2x [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Oh ok. Yeah it said it was submitted already but I thought it was saying I submitted it which I didn't.

        [–]zerton 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        That's not even really conspiracy. This has happened for decades in Hasidic communities, even those in the US.

        [–]AdolfBocajHiedler 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I've read that its legal in their book

        [–]mastigia 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        That was bound to happen. As well as real or imposter white supremacists increasing their presence.

        We have a good thing going there. So they divide and conquer.

        [–]ItzClobberinTime 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        you know whats funny, white supremacists hate jews, and so does KKK, and nazi american bloc. trump supports do not supprt zionism they been muniplated to support anyone that support trumps.

        [–]mintscape 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        So what is really going on over there? They complain about CTR all the time but it seems very likely they have fell victim to something similar from Israel. Do they even know about the Megaphone desktop tool and similar Israeli operations, I guess not.

        Group think is powerful, I saw that myself with how they operated before they election but seems very easy to steer them in other directions, like being hardcore Zionists for example.

        The ONLY way Trump will be a success is if his supporters hold his feet to the fire instead it seems they are falling in line. What happened to not being involved in the middle east?

        [–]photonicphacet 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        So much for America! Now that he is in power, it is time to support the real power, the Jews, and their country Israel! Make Israel Great Again! (and if a few goys have to die for the goal, who cares? Christians are subhuman and we are God's chosen people!)

        [–]Cut_to_the_truth 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        No President will speak the truth until their electability is no longer at stake. It's a classic "too little too late, and it happens at the end of ever American Presidency.

        [–]AntiHasbaraUnit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        fuckin jews ruin everything. again.

        [–]commiefishcrotch 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egPbzatYJIg

        [–]IntrinsicFactorsSuxs 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        lolz, the white power world wide klan didn't see this kick to the knickers.

        [–]ParanoidFactoid -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Might make you wonder who's really been funding alt-right propaganda from /pol since the Boston Bombing fiasco on Reddit. This goes well before the bullshit of Gamergate. Well before the lies of Pizzagate. It's a coordinated and state financed and state organized psyop that's been running for years. With alt-right media outlets a mere conduit.

        [–]Lifemuser246 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        No, they've blindly followed whatever Trump said and are now in a situation where they actually kind of agreed with Obama for once.

        [–]DrDarkMD 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Surprise, surprise, the billionaire 'man of the people' is a fucking lying corrupt pig.

        [–]Led0S 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The elites are struggling for power now, hence why UN against Israel and Trump pro-Israel, this whole thing is a facade, none of them will win, because we have the power, not them. :)

        [–]Horus_Krishna_5 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        plant

        [–]Mars_To_Sirius 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Makes me wonder if Obama's dislike of Netanyahu is manufactured. It's easy for T_D to jump on the Pro-Israel train when Obama shows disdain towards Netanyahu. Some of T_D may consider the situation as "An enemy of Obama is a friend of mine". That friend being Netanyahu of course.

        [–]At_Work_SND_Coffee [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Well fascists love other fascists, what do you expect?

        [–]everyonebnice -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (12子コメント)

        Do any of you guys in /r/conspiracy want to tell me (and this is a true honest question) why it's so bad to recognize Israel as an important strategic foothold in the middle east? And why it's so bad for a politician to recognize they are the lesser of two evils (the other one being Islam)?

        INB4 "Jews Suck" yeah, I'm antisemitic, ok? I dated two of them, from prominent families, in my youth, before I knew what was up in the world, and I saw their horrendous tribalism and bigotry first hand (I was a victim of it). I know how bad they are and we should keep them the fuck out of our homeland IMO but I find it pretty difficult to deny the strategic importance of Israels existence in the middle east, and I find it pretty difficult not to recognize that any action taken against Israel is inherently going to benefit the Muslims.

        [–]SpartanTank 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Have Muslims gripped the world with a mythical extermination event like the HolocaustTM, unlike the Zionist Jews? Have Muslims been the direct cause of any wars that have occurred over the last few decades (I'm assuming that you're redpilled about 9/11 and 7/7, Brussels, Paris attacks etc.)? Who fucked Syria leading up to the refugee crisis? Who fucked Iraq and Afghanistan to oblivion and led to spillover effects into neighboring countries like Pakistan, which has been ravaged and infiltrated on high government positions by Taliban's remnants?

        I admit, Muslims have plenty of problems (that's evident from the Pakistani Muslim immigrants causing serious problems in the UK since the past few decades, for example). But how about actually letting the common Muslim flourish in a democracy independent of puppet strings attached by the US-Israeli hegemonic alliance? Proxy wars and the corporatism agenda in the Middle East have shattered any chance of independent growth, and I promise you the world would be a very different place and Muslims would have a better impression had there been little such interference.

        Source: educated Pakistani Muslim here. You'll probably think that my faith lends a bias against the HoloHoax, but that's not the case at all. I was once a vehement believer of the Holocaust and sympathized with the Jews, but research into proper revisionist work of historians has changed my mind. Sorry, but those who bandwagon behind this mythical event are just as guilty as those leading the narrative.

        [–]followupquestions 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        HoloHoax

        If you deny the holocaust you´ve probably never been to W-Europe. I mean the evidence, the stories, the witnesses, it´s just all over the place. Don´t get your information out of books or from the net, just go visit and observe all the physical evidence that is still around (and will be for a long time).

        [–]ItzClobberinTime 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        its true the numbers are a lie.

        [–]followupquestions [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        So the whole thing is a hoax because the numbers supposedly are off?

        Tell me then, at what number does it stop being a holocaust?

        [–]OldCaptin 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Study up on the tri-sovereign states. Just search for those words in this sub.

        [–]Ninjakick666 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I dated a Jew... she gave the best BJs ever, but would never swallow... now I wonder if it was a religious thing... but I guess it was just personal preference.

        [–]everyonebnice 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You're just not kosher

        [–]outtanutmeds 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        she gave the best BJs ever, but would never swallow

        She didn't want to get pregnant.

        [–]Sabremesh 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I find it pretty difficult to deny the strategic importance of Israels existence in the middle east

        That's you've never given it a moment's intelligent thought.

        Importance for whom? And if you are intending to say the United States perhaps you could articulate what you think that "importance" is?

        [–]phunkysox -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Hate arabs? Im pretty sure arabs hate the west... Muslim nations = 50. Jewish nations = 1

        Sorry trump supports a long time american ally.... What a conspiracy. Wtf