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[–]AlwaysABride 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (1子コメント)

How is it that I am having porn star sex daily, getting unsolicited blowjobs, and am still having fun with my wife?

It is because of her, not because of you. You may want to take credit for her libido, but another man, with another woman, could take the exact same steps you took and end up in a dead bedroom. Women are not one-size-fits-all

Sex Outside The Bedroom

LOL. Most folks here are lucky if they get a cuddle in the bedroom. It's a bit tough to get to the blowjob in the basement when a hand on the waist is pushed away and found to be annoying.

Surprise Vacations

"I hate staying in a hotel. Can't we just stay home".

So now you're 2-for-2 on things that you say lead to sex, and many here will say their wife finds annoying.

Removing ‘Vanilla’ Sex

Again, I can't LOL any louder. You're talking to guys who get a firm and disgusted "no" when they try to snuggle and grab some boobie in bed. It's a little tough to get from that conversation to "hey, how about I tie you up and throat fuck you until I nut in your face".

Be Mysterious

Leave the house? That's your suggestion for getting more sex? Leave the house? Most of the guys who post here have wives that would love it if they got out of the house and stopped pestering them for sex. So long as the paycheck keeps coming in, they don't really care whether you're home or not (but preferably you're at work earning more money).

Being Romantic.

This is met with disdain because it is seen as a ploy to get sex. You clearly have zero idea what audience you're talking to here.

Goal Setting/Leading

This is a perfect example of why this works with your wife but won't with others. Many women take offense at the idea that they are subordinate to their husband. TRP theory works well for a specific type of woman. If you're interested in that type of woman, then go for it. But with that type of woman, and that type of relationship, you're never going to be in a dead bedroom, so no one here is your audience.

Educate Her

Again, works for red pill women, but not the type of women that many guys want to be with.

Text Game

“It looks as hard as granite, I love when you’re that hard inside me, I feel it spread me wide.”

Yeah... sorry.... guys who are posting here about their wives not being interested in sex are not getting that type of response to a dick pic. The more likely response is disgust, anger, the silent treatment and likely another month without sex.

Fuck With Her

Bully your wife. Yeah... great way to get laid by a person who already finds you annoying to be around. I feel like I'm repeating myself, but this may work with red pill women, but many guys have no interest in red pill women.

Refuse to Lower the Standard From Which Excellence is Measured

Or depression sets in because she can never live up to your standards, and has no interest in sex because she is depressed.

TL;DR - You're an idiot who thinks that because you married a red pill woman, everyone who posts here is also in a relationship with a red pill woman and your techniques will magically work with them.

[–]simianSupervisor 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is because of her, not because of you. You may want to take credit for her libido, but another man, with another woman, could take the exact same steps you took and end up in a dead bedroom.

He is just absolutely incapable of accepting that this is even a thing. Serious privilege.

[–]rditsexthrowawayacct 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Wife is doing dishes? Pick her up, carry her to the garage, pin her to a wall, and make out with her hard and fast; then just fucking leave and go sit somewhere with a book. She’ll be in the garage dripping wet wondering what in the actual fuck just happened to her.

I can't think of any LL woman here who would respond well to that at all.

[–]I_like_the_word_MUFFDB Poetess 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why bother with the garage... just screw in the kitchen, the counters are usually at the best height...lol

Crap, my garage is cold...my kitchen is warm.. stay in the kitchen!!!

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

She might not or she might respond very well to her husband picking her up, looking into her eyes, and telling her how fucking awesome she is.

This isn't a rulebook, it's simply examples of things that can be done to increase the intimacy between the couple. Breaking the routine that's followed day in and day out, making their life and relationship more enjoyable.

Too many marriages out there are wicked serious, it needs to be broken.

Have fun w/ it, try new things. She may hate getting picked up & spun around or she may love it.

[–]rditsexthrowawayacct 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The wives here who are truly repulsed by sex and loathe being touched, who say they feel raped when their husbands touch them, are not going to feel less raped by being pinned to a wall, kissed hard, and then abandoned when their husband walks away. They're probably going to feel more raped at the end of that, not increased intimacy. Like the one regular's wife says, "it's my body, not yours!"

LL women who are just bored might have fun with that.

But there are a lot of LL wives (and husbands, too) of posters here who have been seriously damaged by rape and childhood sexual abuse, which they won't seek help for, and this type of thing won't leave them feeling closer to their spouse.

I don't disagree with you that ruts and routines are boring. This might be helpful for some people here.

But DB due to rape, sexual abuse, and mental health problems are more common here than boredom and for those couples, intensive therapy is the only thing that (sometimes) works.

[–]seventyfivemechanica 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're probably going to feel more raped at the end of that, not increased intimacy. Like the one regular's wife says, "it's my body, not yours!"

Thank you for calling this out!

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This might be helpful for some people here.

I've had this mentioned multiple times, any time you give advice on a forum it's never for everyone but rather for those it would help.

I'd hope those who wouldn't find this beneficial to their relationship would just disregard.

[–]rditsexthrowawayacct 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd hope so too, but it seems a lot of men really don't really understand extent of damage of sexual abuse/assault and tend to try for quick fixes that aren't really appropriate for their situation.

How many guys post here about their DB and only later think to mention that sex is painful for their wife?

Why do they expect their wives to want sex everyday when it's painful to them? Why are they even continuing to have sex that is painful to their wife? Why do they think a DB will get better without first resolving what is causing the painful sex?

[–]simianSupervisor 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You honestly have no idea how little your sexual success has to do with your ongoing actions, and how much it has to do with your choice of partner and her intrinsic interest in sex, do you?

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The hundreds of men who've written to me expressing their gratitude for helping them bring joy and sexual satisfaction back into their marriage says otherwise.

It's a combination of so many different aspects to the marriage that I won't even begin to break it down to you here, but I know what I'm talking about and I simply cannot understand why you have an issue with that.

[–]trawid2016 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh us weak minded women need a father figure to tell us how to follow through with our goals. Excuse me while I throw up at how incestuous that is. Do you want to be a husband or her father? I guess if she has daddy issues that could work.

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If it doesn't apply, disregard.

[–]ToughKittenQueen of the Leavers 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Hey Hunter.

I appreciate what you're trying to do here, but you're a tourist. Additionally, you only address men. These are serious issues.

It's not that I think you don't have anything good going on in your content or your mission. Honestly, there's a lot of gems and I did read a large swath of your blog yesterday after the mods got your request. But the content on your site that you've linked to here is both denigrating to women and by and large is addressing men only.

There are a lot of things in RedPillPhilosophy that are awesome for unshackling oneself from codependence and that is super great. And TRP movement probably benefits from a MRP charismat.

But you don't belong here. You are a tourist and you are only interested in speaking to the males. Trust me, plenty of our sub-base checks out TRP/MRP/WRP on their own and draws their own conclusions. But this is not your pulpit. This is a support group. A support group for Redditors who are coping with a relationship that is seriously lacking in sexual intimacy.

You are not someone who is suffering their deadbedroom. You are not someone who fixed or escaped or coped with a deadbedroom. You're not even someone who is partnered to someone recovering with a deadbedroom. You turning up to recruit or "help" isn't appropriate in the context of a support group, especially when you are only soliciting one gender.

I also am disappointed that you have decided to go on and post after being denied our blessing. We on the mod team, we believe in letting our community guide us. So your suggestion that the community should judge for itself is fine. I believe the community has spoken at this point, however.

Edit: User reports are starting to roll in. I would like to leave this conversation up, but moderating for us means taking cues from our members.

[–]TehFuzzy31F Recovering LL 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Please keep it up, mostly for the responses from community. I think one of many things contributing to my sex hangups is my fear and paranoia as well as mistrust of men. Seeing all the men criticize this post and the red pill in general is very helpful for me.

[–]ToughKittenQueen of the Leavers 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Paging u/simiansupervisor and u/AsAlwaysItDepends to consider this thoughtful request.

[–]simianSupervisor 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Okay, i guess

[–]ToughKittenQueen of the Leavers 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Love the enthusiasm, my friend.

[–]Secretalias666 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You nailed it in this post, TopKat. I do think he had good intentions, and genuinely thought he had something new to teach us, but really doesn't realise what we are up against.

[–]fleetobefreeHLM32 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Give him an hour to at least remove the links to his blog as that is a clear violation.

But I'd like to keep the rest of his post intact, not because of the advice given but to hopefully scare off other like minded people.

Thumbs up to the mod team for letting the post go live.

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But you don't belong here

Check, thanks for the response. I won't be responding further on here.

[–]ToughKittenQueen of the Leavers 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I appreciate the fact that you're willing to take in my message here, and do understand that you came here with good intentions.

I hope you have a great day!

[–]I_like_the_word_MUFFDB Poetess 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (40子コメント)

....lol... this quote tho "I have shared some insight into how I’ve kept my wife leaking and craving my dick for the past 7 years of our marriage and the 5 years prior to that."

I have socks older than 12 years.... my marriage/relationship was twice as long...

I bet you have no advice on how to keep sex alive above 40 years old? 50? 60? ... yea, when your plan works for 12 years it's great...call me when your dick stops working because you get old.. your wife stops 'leaking' because she's old too... when tank your finances for 5 years and can't afford glow sticks let alone a vacation..

All you are suggesting is hard flirting... yea, well that works when you're both HL and aways up for sex... try reaching for somebody's junk when they're LL and not in the mood and you've got a 5 alarm argument on your hands. My husband became so touch adverse during the waning years of our marriage that he'd literally pull away and yell like I had hurt him when all I wanted to do was hug him... Feels good to be responded to in that way.. now do that 50 times in 3 months.. each time getting the reaction that you are pulling your spouses teeth out with a claw hammer.. Now check your self confidence because after that nightmare you're going to think your a hideous monster with negative sex appeal.. Now do that for a couple of more years.. like 7 .. let's see if your 10 point plan has any effect..

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (39子コメント)

my marriage/relationship was twice as long...

I'm trying to help men turn that word to is.

[–]simianSupervisor 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (29子コメント)

...why just men? Seriously, about half our membership is women wanting more sex from their husbands.

[–]Secretalias666 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (24子コメント)

I'll be delighted if this dude writes 'ten ways to keep your husband craving your pussy' or some such.

[–]simianSupervisor 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (21子コメント)

We all know exactly who he is and why he's here.

In fact, he messaged the mods asking for permission to post a link to his blog. When we said no... he posted anyway. What a douchebag, right?

I allowed the post because I knew we'd shut his privileged idiot self down, and I could remove it after a few hours.

[–]Secretalias666 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know, I'd just really like to take it to the next level!

[–]AlwaysABride 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I could remove it after a few hours.

Please.... don't.

[–]seventyfivemechanica 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

thank goodness for archive.org

[–]thank_mr_skeltal_bot 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

also thank mr skeltal for good bones and calcium

[–]seventyfivemechanica 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Was that a bone structure compliment? I'll take it as such. Thank you.

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (14子コメント)

I knew we'd shut his privileged idiot self down

I wrote a post to help your sub lose some members as their bedroom is no longer dead, I'm such a dick.

[–]I_like_the_word_MUFFDB Poetess 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (13子コメント)

There's a reason why the MOD team is there, because they see the effects of TRP and ilk on the members of this board.. So have I after 4 years of being a member myself.. it's not pretty.

Coming here is like fishing in a barrel... you can promise the world to some men and they are in an emotional state that makes it easier to grab at easy fixes.. Sometimes they work, but most times we see those same people back here, worse off than before.

You are just another fisherman in a sea of starving fish.. promising an ocean of sex when all you are trying to do is get dinner on the table for yourself..

[–]simianSupervisor 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

you can promise the world to some men and they are in an emotional state that makes it easier to grab at easy fixes..

Men or women. It's similar to the way that cults work.

[–]I_like_the_word_MUFFDB Poetess 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

true enough...

and of course you have leaders... people who you MUST listen to...

[–]simianSupervisor 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I recommend this to everyone (because it's short and it's available for free online), but read "The Authoritarian" by Bob Altemeyer. Good Stuff.

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Negative, I want marriages to be filled w/ joy and wanted to start the discussion on possible alternative approaches to this issue which plagues many.

Then the mod here flipped out and admitted prior to anything I wrote or responded had 2 strikes against me.

[–]I_like_the_word_MUFFDB Poetess 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (7子コメント)

You admittedly don't know anything about being in a relationship with an LL partner.. so what you are offering is no solution here...

The MOD team saw you coming from a mile away.. I suspect.. but whatever, keep peddling your homeopathic oils or cure-all pills... your mental ointments to be rubbed generously over everything in hopes that it helps...but what you don't do is take responsibility for your actions..YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE PEOPLE AND TELL THEM YOU CAN CURE THEIR ILLS... and then when you don't, you disappear and leave them worse off than they were before.. for the 2 or 3 that you help, there will be dozens you don't.. for some of those, you will be their last chance before they literally tank their emotional energy to the point of suicide.... but you wont care because your 'plan' is not to save people but to stroke your own ego..

The rest of us 'regulars' in DB will be here to try to keep some of those from making incredibly bad decisions after you've disappeared... In the 4 years I've been in DB I've talked more men/women off the cliff after trying some 'cure-all' marriage fix and it destroying what part of their marriage they had left... So from me to you, go fuck yourself.. I'm tired of being your emotional clean up crew... you and every other jackass that thinks that because they get fucked by their wives it must mean they are some kind of superhero.. No, you are the norm.. the DB people here are the minority and dealing with it the best way they can..

[–]simianSupervisor 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The MOD team saw you coming from a mile away

Two miles, actually... he asked for permission to post links to his blog, and we said no... but he posted anyway.

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You're right, don't want me offering any other resource or approach outside of the one that has your approval.

[–]AlwaysABride 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Shit man, just send him a pussy pic of you getting all wet at work. He'll be hard as granite waiting for you when you get home! Simple!

[–]Secretalias666 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck, I never thought of that!

[–]CthulhuMakesMeHot 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Amen! If someone could write me a handy little guide to getting my man back into my bed, I'd be grateful.

It's almost like TRP has a tendency to be sexist or something...

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm a guy, I can't tell you what it's like to be a woman. I have an idea, but I'd be talking out my ass if for a second I told you I knew what it was like to be a woman. Let your readers read the post and see if they want to apply, why argue every point?

[–]simianSupervisor 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're already talking out of your ass about what it's like to have a partner who isn't intrinsically interested in sex for its own sake, why stop at a little think like gender difference?

[–]AlwaysABride 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd be talking out my ass

No... seriously... don't let that stop you now.

[–]I_like_the_word_MUFFDB Poetess 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (8子コメント)

...just men, right...

LOL... this is the thing, it's so damn parochial.. Flirt and be alpha and you'll win your pussy every day..

No.. that's not how it works for most women. You know what works for me.. a man that has emotional depth, who can create a safe sanctuary in our relationship resides in where we can both share our most intimate thoughts without judgement. Yes, I like a strong man in the bedroom, that's why we have a BDSM relationship.. When sex is "on" I'll gladly take on the role of a submissive. You know what's even better.. for a man to not have to constantly be Alpha and still get's sex. You know what's fucking fantastic, not having to play a role to get sex from your partner. Not having to play games to keep the spark alive.. I don't need a vacation to fuck my BF... it just happens, daily.. you know why? Because we are both HL.. we both love sex.. Sex IS the vacation...

and what about men who are turned on by strong and dominant women in the bedroom? are they just fucked?

what about women who want to be dominant in the bedroom? do they just submit to their husbands even though that it's sexually unfulfilling?

what about men who are older? None of this really works when you've spent 20 years married, going on vacations and being creative.. it's like going to Disney land 30 years in a row--shit get's old.. NONE of this is new and interesting in a long term relationship..

YES..does it work.. for some..but don't come here and say it's a cure all...it's not

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Excellent comment and you're spot on.

I gave 10 examples, I could have given one I could have given 50. You're right a man must be all things, most importantly he must cater his approach to his woman.

Some women respond well to the vacation while others like yourself wouldn't.

It was just an option given, not gospel.

[–]I_like_the_word_MUFFDB Poetess 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I, of course, don't qualify.. I am a HL women... I'll fuck in a dark, dank, ally behind a bar if it meant getting some action with my BF...

I would be one of those women, TRP would suggest fucking but not marrying... because I'm not 'wife' material.. of course, I don't give a shit.

Your response to this is the reason why you are full of shit... Suddenly now there are 50 points to play to, not 10... what if 50 doesn't work.. is there a 100 points to follow?

Do you really think that it's all such a simple game...being sexually active in a long term marriage? That if you just tick off these attributes you'll suddenly be swimming in your wife's pussy? If that was the case, everybody would be jumping over lakes of fire to get that manual... but it isn't... and you are no savior...

This shit has been bandied about in the darker corners of the dating circuit for generations... manuals on marriage.. manuals on getting women to fuck you.. it's nothing new and it's nothing that works, unless you want to pretend you are somebody your not for the rest of your life...

[–]simianSupervisor 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh, it's worse than that. This guy hasn't even had to employ the rapier/emotional abuse-ier elements of the redpill, that are legitimately effective in getting laid... by manipulating and victimizing low-self-esteem people.

No, this guy just ended up with a woman who naturally likes sex a lot with him.

[–]I_like_the_word_MUFFDB Poetess 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

and he thinks he's some sort of miracle worker... like Moses, he parts the pink sea and NOW he can help you too...

Seriously, fucking in marriage is a norm... what he has is 'normal' but believes it's magical... It's like realizing that hats keep your head warm at 30 and then trying to sell the world on this amazing new product.. THE HAT!

[–]simianSupervisor 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

like Moses, he parts the pink sea

This is just too much. Amazing.

[–]RBW1983 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

THE HAT!!! Hahahahahahahahah killed me DED 😭😭😭

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You do you, those that try it and find it works will thank me, or they might not, either way their standard has improved.

[–]I_like_the_word_MUFFDB Poetess 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

once again, you take no responsibility for your actions...

the difference between you and any other random OP is that they are coming here to post on experience with their partner.. unique to them but perhaps translatable to a few.. there is community in that.. What you do is come here with a plan, a cure-all.. with no prior experience in DB or the DB community..

You are a snake oil salesmen of the worst kind, because at least with snake oil, if it doesn't work as intended it makes good lube anyway..

[–]vashon_island 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (7子コメント)

If you took the time, you will see that about 40% of the posts here are from WOMEN with male LL partners.

If you are going to give 'advice' then give it to everyone. DOn't come here and IGNORE half of the suffering population. That's just fucking rude.

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm not ignoring women, I was speaking to men because I'm a man and can't tell you what it's like to be a woman or any perspective of being a woman.

Why wouldn't you just ask your question or make your comment and have a discussion?

That's rude.

[–]vashon_island 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes you are. You come to this subreddit, and then proceed to IGNORE half of your audiences because they are FEEEEMALLLES.

That's weaksauce BRO. If you are the guru you claim to be, then give advice to women on how to make their husbands want their pussy again. You are a man, you should have something to say about that.

[–]simianSupervisor 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

how to make their husbands want their pussy again

Totally. Like, maybe he could tell us about a time he didn't want his wife, and he could tell us what she did/could have done to get her interested. Just like he's done from her perspective, talking about a time he used his recommended methods to get his wife interested... oh, what? You mean it's always just worked with his wife? His advice has never been tested in a situation where the partner isn't already interested?

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Look, if a girl wanted to know what I thought a woman should do to inspire her man, she'd just ask me and not get mad I didn't write a post from a woman's perspective.

I'm a guy, I know what I like but how can I approach this from the view of a female?

[–]seventyfivemechanica 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But somebody did and you didn't help her at all.

[–]NotHoldingMyBreath48 M HL 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You really didn't understand the question, did you?

[–]stopped_watch 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're not a woman so you can't speak of the women's perspective. You've also never been in a dead bedroom but you can help the guys with their dead bedrooms.

You lack logical consistency.

[–]bainbridge_island 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

How do i get my LL husband to want to have sex with me again? He hasn't touched me in 6 months and rejects me everytime i initiate. He says he is too tired, or too stressed out.

[–]simianSupervisor 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, from his advice, have you considered lifting weights, getting a raise, and just forcing yourself on him?

/s

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'd need to know a lot more about him than just being LL.

[–]seventyfivemechanica 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What do you need to know? Help her out.

[–]DeadFoyerM 30s 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (33子コメント)

It just seems like you're taking your one situation and drawing some really broad conclusions.

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (32子コメント)

I can only give my perspective.

I have many articles on the subject and hope to get more involved in this community. The best way to help guys is to show real world actions and the real world impact they've had.

What is the worst that can happen to a man in a deadbedroom? He tries something and gets shutdown?

[–]DeadFoyerM 30s 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Did you have a dead bedroom?

[–]Secretalias666 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, his wife craves his dick!

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (14子コメント)

I did not, but I've dealt with many men who have and together we've helped fix it.

[–]DeadFoyerM 30s 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's just that your post has a very Marie Antoinette "Let them eat cake" vibe to it.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but if the people don't have any bread then it stands to reason that they also don't have any cake. They may find more useful advice from someone who understands their struggles.

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

So instead of reading this post and thinking, maybe I could try X they should just stick to the same ol routine?

[–]DeadFoyerM 30s 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You think I didn't try any of those things?

To be clear, my DB is resolved. But when it wasn't, of course I tried to have Sex Outside the Bedroom. Her response was the same as sex inside the bedroom: maybe later.

Plan a vacation without her? As in, use our vacation money on a trip that she didn't get any input on? No, I wouldn't have tried that.

And for a while vanilla sex was the only sex she was willing to have. I don't see the benefit of playing Green Eggs & Ham with my sexual propositions.

I'm not saying you don't have any good points, but you couch it in advice that is absolutely not applicable.

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stop being so self-absorbed, just because you tried it doesn't mean others have even thought of trying it.

This isn't a fucking manual, I'd hope people would read and apply what they thought could work and disregard the rest, I explicitly stated that.

[–]seventyfivemechanica 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just because your advice isn't good doesn't mean that there aren't other ways to go about it. Don't create false dichotomy to make yourself seem more legitimate.

[–]Secretalias666 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Maybe you can tell us about one case, and tell us step by step how it was fixed?

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

You realize this occurs over emails correct? Ongoing for weeks/months?

It's stupid that you want proof yet let post after post of people discussion the problem of their DB without a question. Yet a possible solution comes in and you shit all over it.

[–]simianSupervisor 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's stupid that you want proof yet let post after post of people discussion the problem of their DB without a question.

Because they're posting about their personal experience, not foisting advice on others? Also, there's plenty of questioning/discussion on here.

You realize this occurs over emails correct? Ongoing for weeks/months?

So.... no examples. I at least commend you for your honesty.

[–]Secretalias666 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

So, you don't keep track?

I haven't shat all over anything. I've asked you detail your solution, and asked what to do under specific circumstances which we see a lot here. I'm trying to help you show people how to improve their situation.

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's case by case man, each situation is unique.

History, personal preference, etc. You should know this.

[–]Secretalias666 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, but case studies are valuable. I actually thought you would like to share one with us.

[–]seventyfivemechanica 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So, case by case, yet this advice works for all . . .

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are& I'd post a breakdown one day but it isn't looking like this community wants/needs my advice.

[–]simianSupervisor 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I can only give my perspective.

The perspective of a 29-year old kid who by luck (or good picking) is with a partner who authentically enjoys sex and has a baseline high libido.

I mean, /u/rditsexthrowawayacct points an example out perfectly below: your advice absolutely would not work for many (if not most) of the LL spouses on here. These are people who brush away your hand when you try to initiate. You are so far out of our experience that you have no idea how inapplicable it is to our own situation. You're like Mitt Romney talking about how anyone can be successful with hard work... completely unaware that the millions-dollar loan, connections, and education (both formal and informal) he received from his parents enabled his hard work to actually pay off.

[–]Secretalias666 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (27子コメント)

Yeah, that's all very nice, but if someone doesn't want to fuck you, they aren't going to fuck you. This advice is all very well for keeping a relationship fresh and interesting, but how do you suggest kick starting a sexual relationship when a spouse has refused all advances for months or even years?

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (26子コメント)

It's an excellent question and the exact discussion I wanted to start, you start by getting back to the basics.

I don't care if you have been married for 2 or 20 years, when you wake up and your feet hit the floor, you've got to start gaming your wife as if she were a new girl.

Everyday you go back to square one.

You make her laugh, you make her blush, you tease her until she's mad, but not really mad.

You start building a fire and fanning it, adding stick after stick until the attraction explodes.

You have to do things without the overt intention of having sex. Kiss her hard then go back to what you were doing, stop acting like a dog chasing a ball, relax with the drive for sex and then the sex will come to you.

Too many men think their wife is the problem when in fact, they are the problem. These guys are overweight or they're in this routine where they do the same shit day in and day out - that's not going to make a woman feel any attraction, she'll get bored and disgusted by the fat.

Guys need to fix themselves for themselves and their wife will respond accordingly.

[–]Secretalias666 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (23子コメント)

Ok, so a guy goes to the gym, gets a hobby and a six pack, romances his wife, but when he tries to kiss her, she rejects him.

What should he do?

And please explain what you mean by 'tease'?

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (22子コメント)

I would advise him to sit down with her and discuss what it is she wants from the marriage.

If a wife will not kiss her husband, what are they doing? Marriage is more than sex, but if sex is off the table and the man cannot even get a kiss, then maybe a mistake was made when they tied the knot.

A discussion would help him get to the root cause.

Tease?

Have fun, play a joke, make her laugh, etc. It has to be catered to the woman as some chicks find different things humorous.

[–]Secretalias666 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Ah, 'The Talk'.

Ok, they sit down and talk, she promises him she loves him and wants to be with him, that things will get better. She's just under a lot of stress just now because of the kids, her job, the dog, whatever.

A couple of months pass, nothing changes. What's his next step?

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (12子コメント)

This is a fun game.

I wouldn't have let him go months without change, I would have asked him why he didn't work with her then to balance the load and ensure they made time to be lovers and not just CoParents.

[–]Secretalias666 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Ok, but he didn't. He has gone months without change, and now he is coming to you for help. He's helped her with whatever is causing her stress, and still no change. What should he do?

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (10子コメント)

What has he done? How did she respond? What does she want?

My aim here isn't to give you a play by play, it's to help end deadbedrooms ignore, block, delete I'm tired of your negative attitude an inability to separate your personal opinion from what's best for your subreddit.

[–]simianSupervisor 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

what's best for your subreddit.

I thought we were going to "Let the community decide", I mean, that's what you did by disregarding the mods' decision not to allow your request to post here.

And, well, if the upvotes/downvotes and discussion are any indicator... the community thinks your advice is worthless.

[–]Secretalias666 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

He's standing in front of you, begging for your help, and you've got NOTHING to tell him?

I'm really trying to impress upon you the severity of the situation for a lot of the people here.

[–]seventyfivemechanica 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Damn, I hope you weren't going to him for help because look how he handles it?!

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No you're not lol We both know exactly what you're doing.

I get it, you do your thing. Maybe someone will apply this post and find it works.

[–]seventyfivemechanica 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn, you gave up quickly. . . what if this guy IS giving you a situation from his own life? You just quit when the questions get too hard??

[–]AlwaysABride 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

maybe a mistake was made when they tied the knot.

This thread is hilarious. You are soooooo enlightened to make this observation. No one here has ever figured this out before.

Unfortunately, of course, "you shouldn't have eaten that hot pepper if you didn't want your mouth to burn" isn't exactly an answer to the question "how do I stop my mouth from burning after eating a hot pepper".

[–]simianSupervisor 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unfortunately, of course, "you shouldn't have eaten that hot pepper if you didn't want your mouth to burn" isn't exactly an answer to the question "how do I stop my mouth from burning after eating a hot pepper".

Perfect.

[–]simianSupervisor 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Aha, there we go... finally, the merest crack of admission that maybe this advice isn't sure fire... oh, but hey, in the situations where it doesn't you should probably break up.

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nothing is surefire, you guys should know this. but do you quit because plan A, B, & C don't work?

No, you go through the whole damn alphabet making sure you've given it your all before you accept it may not work.

[–]simianSupervisor 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think the big difference is that you're not giving us any new letters here... but you ARE trying to sell a book/get page views, so at least there's that.

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm really not.

I had a guy tell me they found me from your sub and I thought maybe I should venture over here.

[–]seventyfivemechanica 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, guys, TALK TO HER! I bet literally not one person in this sub tried that!

[–]rditsexthrowawayacct 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

and then the sex will come to you.

Not if your wife is asexual.

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Correct, this advice won't work for all.

[–]MandervilleGrocery47F, HL; married 27 years 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I love the points overall and can't find anything with which to disagree (I'm a little old-fashioned despite being a high-libido modern woman).

So, Mr. Smart Fella, what do I do for my marriage when my husband can't/won't contribute to the household finances? As in, jobless for multiple years, and underemployed for years prior to that?

How do I fix that?

[–]simianSupervisor 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Have you considered lifting and cultivating outside hobbies? Maybe a little dread?

/s

[–]MandervilleGrocery47F, HL; married 27 years 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Will it make my penis larger?

[–]simianSupervisor 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, if I've learned anything from the manosphere, it'll DEFINITELY make your e-peen larger.

[–]MandervilleGrocery47F, HL; married 27 years 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

rawr

I'm a dinosaur

[–]NotHoldingMyBreath48 M HL 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Bugger off back to red pill land.

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Have you had men email you about wanting to kill themselevs because they hate their sexless life?

Have you had men cry to you because they don't know why their wife won't touch them?

Have you helped anyone who needed it?

My inbox is full of men who are trying to find a way to light the fire in their marriage and get back to how things used to be, I don't get paid for this but I can't just look away or bugger off to red pill land because I'm not about red pill, I'm about masculinity and helping men find joy in their life and marriage - a big part of that is by helping them express their sexual nature.

It's easy for you to tell me to fuck off, it's hard for me to read message after message of men who fucking hate themselves and just want to be desired.

I didn't come here for views or 'upvotes' I came her because many of the men emailing me are coming from this sub.

[–]simianSupervisor 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Have you helped anyone who needed it?

Have you?

No, seriously: how many people in that situation, of a truly dead bedroom, have taken your advice and had their situation actually turn around. No confirmation bias, no bullshit: how many took just your advice and had it work, for more than a month or two?

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I have no idea, I don't keep a running tally, I just enjoy the emails as they come in.

[–]simianSupervisor 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I just enjoy the emails as they come in

This... this I believe.

So, to sum up... a bunch of sad people email you looking for advice, and you give them advice, but you have no idea if it actually changes their situation... but because they felt better for finding someone who was willing to tell them (truthfully or not) that there was something they could do to fix their situation, well, your advice must work.

You know, for a member of the redpill master race, you engage in a lot of really shoddy logical reasoning.

[–]I_like_the_word_MUFFDB Poetess 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

of course he feels good about his emails...

Imagine the life of a Red pill man.. constantly having to bolster his ego so that he can perform.. Constantly questioning his wife and the people around him and their views on if he's Alpha enough... My god, that must be a nightmare... to never be vulnerable.. never be able to sit down and say, "fuck, I am not in control right now and I have no energy to control anything..."

So of course, when he can't squeeze another drop of that ego-nectar from his wife or kids... he turns to his friends.. maybe they can't give him anything.. So off to anonymous internetland where he can drain more ego from people who barely have enough ego themselves...

When you stand back and look at that.. it's so fucking sad.. but what do I know.. I'm just a female

[–]vashon_island 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

He certainly ignores all of the HL women here....but they are just FEEEEMALES.

[–]I_like_the_word_MUFFDB Poetess 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

TRP ignores HL women because they are 'fuckable' but not marriage material...
In the world of spinning plates... HL's are plates to be spun but not to win.. in fact, they're more likely to marry LL women and have to put on the front of an alpha for their entire lives just to get some sex in.. Instead, of course, on advising men to seek partners that match their libido..

[–]rditsexthrowawayacct 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well... that is interesting to know, and certainly explains a lot.

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You are really going out of your way to push this whole redpill thing.

My post is for DB as I want to help those in a DB, just so you know I've received 3 PMs from your people telling me they enjoyed the post and aren't sure why I'm getting so much hate from you.

[–]fleetobefreeHLM32 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let's look at the numbers again..

3 people.... out of 42000 subscribers.

You are getting hate because your post contains no perspective. You speak about the world as it is black and white.

I congratulate you for finding a mate that matches your libido. Lets for your sake hope she doesn't change the dynamics.

I dare you to keep reading in here for a couple of years and come back with that attitude... Yes years, your so called experience doesn't mean shit here.

You really think that your advice will work on a wife or husband that declares forced celibacy after the first kid is born?

[–]I_like_the_word_MUFFDB Poetess 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

did that give you a hard on?

are you counting your worth in PMs now? Wow..

[–]WigglyCharlie 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, so it's totes cool to recycle content from The Crimson Suppository? Then I guess it's froody to recycle this parody post I wrote to mock The Family Alfalfa!

[–]MandervilleGrocery47F, HL; married 27 years 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Dear Playboy..."

[–]alterego17 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

What's your deadbedroom story?

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

The countless emails I've read and helped other men solve.

[–]alterego17 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (8子コメント)

So no personal or IRL experience?

Will any of them to come post here?

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

There goal isn't to support TFA, it's to improve their quality of marriage, I have no idea what you want me to say.

M, 34, DB for 3 months, history = x, advice = x, approach = x, failed at x, y worked

[–]alterego17 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (6子コメント)

If your method works for deadbedroom, why aren't they here to spread the word?

3 months is a joke.

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Would you come back to update the world about fixing your deadbedroom? Or would you just go on living life?

[–]simianSupervisor 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Many have come back to update. Most update that they fixed it by breaking up, but there have been other success stories.

Or, you know, we could take your advice that is completely untested in real life.

[–]TheFamilyAlpha[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You do you

[–]simianSupervisor 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's that frame slipping again.

[–]stopped_watch 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What the fuck kind of advice is that?!?

[–]seventyfivemechanica 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

More proof he has no idea about this sub and its members and what would be helpful.

[–]alooohaaa 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like a bunch of TRP shit

[–]TotesMessenger 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]I_like_the_word_MUFFDB Poetess 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great..now we're being brigaded by both douche pools.. TRP and TBP..

People think DB is some fucking joke.. It's not.. it forced me into considering suicide as an option for relief.. and these fuckers want to joke about it like it's a game..

It's one thing to be cute and funny in the community.. it's another to fucking come into somebody else's house and start in before introductions were even made..

meh...

[–]DBIsBullshitM/HL/Sad 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is some (some) decent advice in here, but holy fuck the presentation and person presenting it are lame as fuck.

[–]CthulhuMakesMeHot 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wife is doing dishes? Pick her up, carry her to the garage, pin her to a wall, and make out with her hard and fast; then just fucking leave and go sit somewhere with a book. She’ll be in the garage dripping wet wondering what in the actual fuck just happened to her.

As the HL half of a relationship, this would leave me absolutely fuming.

Come to think of it, even when we weren't experiencing difficulties this would have made me mad.

[–]doublenut 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The one true thing though is that she'd be dripping wet, because you didn't give her a chance to dry her hands from the dishes.

[–]AlwaysABride 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can you post a picture of your wife? I looked through your blog and twitter and it doesn't appear you have any pictures of her there.

[–]DeplorableRay 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All of this is based on the premise that she actually wants to spice things up. At that point, there really isn't much else that needs to be said. She's down. How about some advice on actually getting her to want it.

[–]Bukkakesubsister 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why post on DB if you don't have and have never had a DB?? Doesn't make sense. There are other subreddits for your post. You have no idea what the people on here are going through

[–]UnrefinedFacadeHL27F 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I actually enjoy your blog. It was a fun resource to direct my husband to when I was trying to fix our DB. I used Creating Your Slut to illustrate what I wanted from him in terms of playful, exciting sex, and a more enjoyable marriage. Our relationship is doing better, for a lot of reasons, but at least partially due to MRP/RPW resources.

Obviously this isn't going to work for some couples, maybe even most couples. However, if this post and the links can help a fraction of the lurkers/posters here it is worth leaving up. Just my two cents.

[–]throwawaytothetrees 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can speak as a woman with a dead bedroom I wish my husband would listen to these tips. I had to screenshot this to save it because I was worried it would be removed and wanted to share with my husband. This thread had everything I loved about my husband in the beginning that he never kept up with. I actually cried (as ridiculous as that sounds) at the part about fingering her in the bathroom to tease her because it reminded me so much of the first months with my husband that I long so desperately for. It made me feel wanted. Playful. Hahaha....how ridiculous is it to cry reading about that? I guess I just remember that feeling and miss it so much. I think for some women especially submissive women like myself this was the exact recipe for a happy marriage. It might not work on a lot of these guys wives but if my husband did half the stuff on this list I would be a happy woman.