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[–]GraphicNoveltywell rounded man of the people.[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (14子コメント)

I set the suggested sort to "by controversial" because we all know we just want to read the spicy contrarian opinions.

Edit: hijacking my own stickied comment because i'm a fascist mod who can put their own opinion at the top of the thread

For those who are posting responses along the lines of "well that's just your opinion, man". Almost anything is subject to the perception of the individual, but at the same time, those subjectivities exist within a larger cultural context. When someone is making a taste-based judgement or proscription, it's always in reference to these socially determined value hierarchies in which the individual is enmeshed. Following advice like the OP's allows you to navigate the sometimes implicit, sometimes explicit set of expectations that, while enmeshed in power relations relating to sexuality, gender, class, and race, they're no less a part of the social reality in which a vast majority of reddit users operate.

Point being, beauty and ugliness are socially determined, and the implicit argument is that if you conform to certain standards of beauty you'll accrue social capital that presumably you'd be able to leverage into various desireable social outcomes: interest from the opposite (or same) sex, increased respect from your peer group, conveyance of an air of professionalism etc. In general, when you're dressed "well" (taking into account the social context that determines "dressing well"), people treat you nicer, and being treated nice is nice!*

That being said, there's a pretty wide range of "acceptable" styles that will allow you to communicate well dressed-ness (this isn't North Korea), and finding a set of clothing that both conforms your particular physiological, lifestyle, and aesthetic preferences but also conforms to these hierarchies of tastes (also known as "developing personal style") is an enjoyable project for many users on the sub (given that many of the contrarians are frequent posters of such subs as /r/DotA2 and /r/GlobalOffensive, i'm not sure they have the standing to critique the way users of /r/malefashionadvice spend their time and money)

As an addendum, it's fine and dandy (ha!) to critique these power relations through clothing choices (see any number avant garde designers.), but it's intellectually dishonest to pretend that you're justifying your cargo shorts on the basis of deconstructing a heteronormative, bourgeois value system. Generally, when one's lack of fluency with the implicit value hierarchy of clothing is exposed, most people attempt to save face by referencing a different set of value hierarchies in which they can reassert their own status (performative masculinity through prioritizing utility is the biggest go to, which is unsurprising, particularly because fashion has historically been the purview of women and gay men)

*The importance of navigating social expectations of appearance beyond a very basic level is a lesson that most women are taught from an early age, and the freedom to "not give a shit what you look like" is something men take for granted--this idea is part of the greater concept known as "male privilege."

[–]monkeyman114 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (51子コメント)

Square toe shoes are not really bad, those long and pointy ones have their place too.

[–]eyjay 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (33子コメント)

Please provide some sort of explanation. Anyone can say anything is "not bad", but it means nothing except expressing an opinion. This is pretty counter to building any sort of discussion or convincing others to agree with you.

[–]SmokingGiraffeti 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (21子コメント)

All clothing is a matter of opinion

[–]eyjay 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (19子コメント)

You can say that about a lot of things, and it really doesn't contribute to a discussion, or help others improve.

[–]Michamus 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Improve at what? This whole subreddit is basically "[I think] This looks good, this looks bad." Fashion taste is a matter of opinion, culture and the groups you are a part of.

[–]eyjay 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (11子コメント)

You are completely missing the point. I'm trying to elicit critical thinking and discussion. There's no point in throwing out opinions if you can't back them up. You could say something looks good, but why?

Somewhat unrelated, but I really hate when people say "it's all just opinion" because again it's detrimental to any sort of civil discussion. Yes, you're right, great! But for everyone who doesn't know or isn't experienced, it's a really poor thing to say. What to improve you ask? Understanding of fashion/ aesthetics. Or is that not a thing anymore?

Please don't take this personally. While I used your comment as a base, it wasn't specifically directed at you.

[–]triplehelix_ 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (8子コメント)

you seem to be trying to push for a scientific approach to personal taste, and i don't understand your insistence that the two go together naturally.

[–]eyjay 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (7子コメント)

No, I understand that there is no way to scientifically discern that one aesthetic is superior to another.

[–]triplehelix_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

then stop pushing people to try and justify personal opinion.

[–]Valac_ 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's is all just opinions. It's really that simple.

I couldn't think "streetwear" looked any more ridiculous if you paid me too. But millions of people love it, think it looks great.

Fashion is a form of art, and all art is subjective. Garbage to one man, is treasure to another. And with all such things "because I said so" is a perfectly acceptable answer it's quite hard to describe why you do or don't like things often times you just.... Don't.

[–]hot_rats_ 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

All he's asking for is a "why."

[–]Grettgert 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I honestly don't understand what kind of explanation is expected. Would saying that they don't look ugly be acceptable? Or is saying that the culture he is a part of does not have a strong bias towards the way the tips of mens shoes look be acceptable? Or is saying that the tip of the shoe doesn't detract from the pants enough to make a difference an acceptable answer?

I feel like all these options are just different ways of saying "I dont think they are ugly."

[–]SmokingGiraffeti 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I personally get complemented on my square-toe dress shoes ALL of the time. Literally whenever I wear them, which is not often because I don't like them all that much.

Actually, recently, I mentioned to a friend how I dislike my square-toe shoes and she said she loves them.

[–]SinSkin 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's how I feel, I see pointed shows I wonder if you are going to a fiesta with a pinata, or trying to be "gangster".

[–]Zarqu0n 126 ポイント127 ポイント  (19子コメント)

This post reeks of elitism and condescension !!

[–]W360 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (2子コメント)

He is right though.

[–]thefragpotato 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree, but then again, a lot on this sub does that. I'm mostly just here for inspiration. The title of this post rustled my jimmies

[–]--geode[🍰] 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Welcome to fashion? I'm 100% on board with this post, people who wear this stuff make my head hurt.

[–]srpokemon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

dude almost everything on this list is in practically ever thread as a "do not do" or on the sidebar, or on any "fashion don'ts" article

fashion only becomes fashion when you start doing unique things, not when you follow a ruleset

[–]awcc45 79 ポイント80 ポイント  (26子コメント)

Fuck you, I'll wear long loose cargo shorts anytime I please

[–]Iusedtobeonimgur 140 ポイント141 ポイント  (15子コメント)

I get that. You wear what you enjoy, but it's a subreddit about fashion. To anyone who enjoys fashion, they're ugly. It's not a personal attack against you and your shorts containing all the "cool" looking rocks you just found at the beach.

[–]st_gulik 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (50子コメント)

I feel like you're arguing for a single look here, a very slim skinny frame look.

I have shoulders wider than most two guys put together and wide feet. I can't get my foot into chisel toe shoes or pointed toe shoes unless they're literally three sizes too big, or more, for my foot.

Fuck that noise.

[–]blazikenburns 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is nonsense. I have literally duck-shaped EEE width feet. I also know about shoes, and traditional round-toed shoes can be very accommodating and don't make you look like a jackass.

If you want to buy cheap ugly shoes because you don't care, that's fine, I don't care, and no one cares. But no one needs to wear square toed shoes, and they do look terrible.

[–]MrSoprano 189 ポイント190 ポイント  (22子コメント)

I don't believe you.

A man's foot will fit into a rounded-toe shoe regardless of its width provided the shoe's width is appropriate.

If an NFL lineman can wear a simple cap-toe oxford, chances are you can too. Maybe you just prefer ugly square-toes.

[–]pinky0926[S] 93 ポイント94 ポイント  (19子コメント)

I'm really not, and if it came to that I would absolutely advocate that broader, more muscular or just plain fatter men should opt for more regular to looser fits. For example, I couldn't imagine The Rock wearing skinny, he would just look ridiculous.

Again though, here's a very big man with great style, and you will never see him wearing square toed shoes. Examples:

Edit: Somehow a picture of david beckham got in there, sorry.

[–]rushmc1 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (2子コメント)

So much opinion.

[–]sadperson90 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe I'm missing something but isn't literally all of fashion based on opinion?

[–]Greenerguns 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (16子コメント)

I think there is leeway with the undershirt under an OCBD. Obviously it's not for everyone, but for a certain demographic it works. Picture an older man, maybe around 50. Brooks brothers button down, tucked in, sleeves rolled twice, khakis, leather moccasins. The undershirt fits in that image for whatever reason. Not a dirty or sloppy look, but well put together and crisp.

[–]SovietK 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is no scenario where an undershirt improves a look. Can you get away with it? Sure.. I mean.. At the end of the day, nobody gives a shirt how you look. But you will always look better without an visible undershirt regardless of age, colour and style.

[–]eyjay 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"for whatever reason"

This is where I lost you. It tells me this is likely just some image you have in your mind that you are ok with, rather than something that makes "sense". I am not saying you are wrong - It's important to recognize why an outfit works, and not just say "well it feels like it works so it does". If you don't have an explanation as to why it is, then accept that, and attempt to learn a little more about it.

[–]Contronatura 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sidebar this

[–]SergioSF 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Wearing a crew neck with the first button of a dress shirt off has been wrong the entire time? Is this new or something? Ive never head of it

[–]GronVarg 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Pretty new to me as well, IMO it's perfectly fine. The sort of person who would care about such a small nitpick isn't the sort of person whose opinion of me I care about.

[–]SemiHollowCarrot 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I view it the same as underwear, as they're both used for the same thing. I wouldn't want my boxers peaking out over my pants. I wouldn't want my undershirt peaking out over my button down.

[–]SergioSF 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've never really thought about the undershirt as a peice of underwear. I normally will wear t-shirts which are abit thicker, so it's just been a nice way of alternating colors. It's something like casual layering where I will take the dress shirt off at ther end of the day and lounge in the shirt I was in at home.

[–]IamSeth 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, are you the frontman of a grunge band?

[–]SergioSF -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, but I did grow up in the 90's wearing alot of skateboard t-shirts like Vans/Quicksilver.

[–]letsdocrack 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, not to be condescending, but generally speaking to a lot of guys having a white crew neck showing, when wearing an OCBD or a dress shirt, just screams "I have no clue". I feel like it's always been that way too, just like wearing brown shoes/black belt and vice versa.

Maybe it's something I learned back when I was younger in private school, maybe I learned it from somewhere else, but for as long as I can remember it's been that way.

[–]Motafication -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It screams, "heterosexual", which is fine by me.

[–]MrTizl 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (18子コメント)

I like this guide for sure. I'm still somewhat new to fashion, but I don't see the big problem with showing your crew neck undershirt as described in #8. As long as it's clean and lays flat I don't think it's a bad thing.

[–]eyjay 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The "problem" is simply that it doesn't look as nice as not having it visible. The little details always add up.

[–]secondpagepl0x 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looks terrible under a dress shirt. Especially in white. I don't agree with everything in this post but that one is an abomination

[–]fantasia_burrito 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Good list but I'm still going to wear my summer staple... Baggy cargos, Nikes, and a tank. Suns out guns out dad mode engaged.

[–]SU7sin1o3 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (8子コメント)

flat front shorts like j crew stanton look so much better than cargos while serving the same purpose

[–]fantasia_burrito 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Can they hold a bottle, diaper wipes, my keys / wallet / cellphone without looking like I am wearing football bottoms? Also do I want to be relatively comfortable and not look like I am in a Chubbies ad?

Don't get me wrong, I have Jcrew normal shorts for when we are seeing people / interacting with humans (outside the faceless masses in NYC). But (for the most part) it's unnecessary.

[–]SGCleveland 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think the rule is that cargo shorts are not fashionable. If you want to wear cargo shorts because they have utility and you need that utility, I don't think anyone is gonna argue. But if 5 pockets aren't full of stuff, you probably don't need to be wearing cargo shorts.

[–]fantasia_burrito -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, but don't think you need to be completely full constantly. That's silly. Again it's just a matter of convenience.

I can unholster the milk sippy from my side cargo quicker than any dad on the East side of Manhattan.

Back in the day it held shit beer cans at parties for the very same reason.

[–]ThirdProjectJuno 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Glad you qualified this with Probably because I could argue half of these.

2: The definitive example of function over form. Ignoring the rules about shorts (No jorts, no cargos, no kapris, no khakis, no shorts apparently?), If you carry your wallet, keys, phone and literally anything else, most shorts can't accommodate you. They're defended not by people who don't care about how they look, but by people who choose them specifically because of the versatile utility they provide. Nobody wants to wear a backpack everywhere for a leatherman, cigarettes, lighter and a shopping list. They're fanny packs 20 years late.

3: I've seen no shortage of people make this look good. YRMV

4: I am white and pale and a jeweler and will wear jewelry.

6: All hats have more character than me. Do I break the rule or do I never wear a hat again?

[–]jays1232 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

2: The definitive example of function over form. Ignoring the rules about shorts (No jorts, no cargos, no kapris, no khakis, no shorts apparently?), If you carry your wallet, keys, phone and literally anything else, most shorts can't accommodate you. They're defended not by people who don't care about how they look, but by people who choose them specifically because of the versatile utility they provide. Nobody wants to wear a backpack everywhere for a leatherman, cigarettes, lighter and a shopping list. They're fanny packs 20 years late.

Function isn't the point of this sub though, it's a fashion sub. You can wear whatever you want, but that won't mean it will look good. If we chose function, we would all be wearing cargo pants/shorts.

3: I've seen no shortage of people make this look good. YRMV

Agreed, though he does state that it works if you have a very well put together outfit. This is true, it's not like an OCBD, you can't just throw it over any kind of pants/jeans and expect it to work. He basically says if you have to ask if you are pulling it off, you shouldn't be wearing it.

6: All hats have more character than me. Do I break the rule or do I never wear a hat again?

Just buy more gold chains and you can wear whatever hat you want.

[–]bceltics933 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (1子コメント)

  1. I wear shorts with wallet phone keys and pocketknife with no problem.

Shorts have the same number of pockets as jeans do, and I don't see you advocating cargo jeans...

  1. Doesn't mean it looks good

  2. Perhaps try being more interesting than a baseball hat?

[–]aperks 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (24子コメント)

Why #8 is such a big deal? I see something like "no visible undershirts" on this subreddit a lot, but visible undershirts with dress shirts are extremely common and I don't see this dying out. Maybe it's a regional thing? I'm from the Midwest and it's pretty much normal here.

And I know this is against what OP said, but since I'm used to the visible undershirt, that's what I wear with dress shirts (but not polos) because it just feels weird to me to not wear one, not just to stop my dress shirts from getting pit stains and keeping myself warm. I've grown up with that look, so it just looks neater to me. Picture 2 is what I'm talking about and I think that's fine, although no undershirt would certainly also work well.

[–]Amarsir 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I always considered it the male equivalent of "visible panty line".

[–]firearmed 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm also from the midwest and I see the undershirt showing a lot. Personally, I think it looks stupid but I understand how some people don't care enough to purchase V-neck undershirts if they already have crew neck options. Like OP said, it's definitely a trend from the 90s that has persisted.

[–]smolhouse 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think most people just aren't aware of it, they think that an under shirt is meant to be worn under a shirt, even if it looks out of place or down right sloppy. I mean it's an under garment, it's like walking around with your fly down to show off your briefs. Just use v neck undershirts when buttons or V's are in play.

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    [–]GronVarg 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    From the UK and it's pretty common here, I don't think anybody would blink twice at it.

    It's simply too cold for me to not wear an undershirt and I don't own many deep V necks that would be invisible.

    [–]chewp911 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Just because it's a common fuck up doesn't mean it's not a fuck up. Think about how many people button the bottom button on their suit jacket. It's wrong, even if they don't know it.

    [–]JammieDodgers 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Maybe this is just a personal thing, but to me it looks a little immature/childish. Also the juxtaposition of a formal dress shirt and an informal T-shirt looks a little off IMO.

    [–]SovietK 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Common is not a positive trait. I mean, being unfashionable is common most places.

    [–]Mad_Like_Mankey 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (34子コメント)

    I'll stick my neck out for the vest by itself without a jacket. It's about what you use as adds. A nice dress shirt legitimately makes the difference here. The pants help a lot too.

    The pictures you have there for representation are the worst.

    [–]moldycondom -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I have a neutral standpoint on this as I see potential. The only time I've ever seen the lone vest work is in a Taeyang music video (timestamps 1:35, 1:55 and 4:22). That being said, Taeyang is a beauty god among men so I wouldn't call that fair. Every other time I've seen it, it's been significantly uglier, but I believe in the concept

    [–]Dragonai 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I can see this one working on occasion as well. I distinctly remember the last photo from /u/lycose90's transformation album where he nails it (props again on that, dude!): http://imgur.com/a/0YtYb

    [–]onlycommentsY 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    the same people that are shitting on other peoples styles ITT will defend this trash calling it "cozy" and "experimental"

    never change, MFA

    [–]SamuraiCr4ck -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My personal opinion. Wear whatever the hell you think looks good on you because style is like art. Everyone has a different view on the overall picture. Plus there wouldn't be any pictures of the examples if it was a no go as the OP said.

    Edit: disclaimer - i know he said "probably" but some people feel like it is law.

    [–]adultishgambino1 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    The polo thing couldnt be more true. Dudes wear that shit EVERYWHERE to act rich meanwhile they got 5$ in their pocket looking forward to a junior chicken meal for dinner

    [–]PenetratorHammer 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Oooo you did me an anger with the glasses bit

    [–]Venom349 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's such a specific thing to nitpick too. Some people look really good in glasses without frames.

    [–]Brownhops 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    1, 2, 7, 8 makes up 80% of what I usually wear. Jesus.

    [–]chatatwork 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    I wear lots of hats

    It's cold, I'm bald. I get a lot of compliments on them. But then again the thing I hate the most about male fashion is the sameness. Maybe because I had to wear school uniforms most of my life, I really hate looking like everyone else.

    I will end this rant by saying as with any guide, picks what works for you, and enjoy what you're wearing.

    [–]kibilocomalifasa 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I think the important part of that post is "hats that have more character than you do"

    Ball caps and beanies are easy and often look nice, and are not terribly attention grabbing. Flatcaps and Fedoras, not so much.

    [–]helloboots -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    (maybe your significant other has gently suggested that you could try a little more)

    Meh. My BF wears basketball shorts & Tshirts from high school and I love him for it.

    [–]Dropzoffire 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    All this thread has done for me is make me self conscious about my closet and remind me of the rich kids who used to pick on me in school because we shopped at goodwill.

    I still shop at goodwill, just look at my closet!

    [–]Dubzil 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I never had a problem with my square toe shoes but I'm no expert on fashion either. What other style would be recommended?

    [–]Ninonysoft 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I remember some guy saying this but I'll give it a crack.

    Imagine cargo shorts is that $3 burger across the block. It's a little greasy, and unhealthy, but it works and you can eat every day if you really want to, and nothing terrible will happen.

    Nice, slim shorts is the equivalent of that expensive burger place about a 15-minute drive away. The burger is like $12-$15. It tastes good, but it's an effort to get there, and expensive.

    You can eat at the $3 place and noone will judge you. If you are hungry and don't feel like having a fancy meal, then that place will suffice. It's good enough and it works. But you can go to the $12 burger place and get an amazing burger. It's pricey and the wait is kinda long but it's worth it.

    That's what I imagine the debate to be. You can eat at the $3 place or the $12 place and it doesn't matter. What works for you, works for you. If convenience is better for you, wear cargo shorts. Who gives a fuck about how you look. If you want to dress nicer, then don't wear cargo shorts.

    Imo, fashion is more for yourself. Not a lot of people will notice what you wear. Fashion is how you define yourself, if you want to define yourself as a loving dad who needs those pockets go ahead. That's great for you.

    [–]--geode[🍰] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Agree to all. Especially the cargo shorts. Don't get me started. For the love of all that is holy, STAHP it with the long shorts nonsense. It's so weak looking. Put on some shorts that are actually short, you look like a fussy nebbish who is afraid of their own balls.

    Wrt glasses: I have no-frames glasses for just reading and I've sort of been on the fence about them for a long time. The saving grace is that I have long shaggy metal-guy hair and a beard so there's no way I'm going to ever look like an accountant... If anything the glasses class me up a little (I have gotten compliments on them though that doesn't necessarily mean anything) That said I don't think I would buy them again. Glasses are freaking expensive though so am going to hang on to them for a while longer.

    [–]tristan113 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What a shitty sub this has turned into that this makes it to the front

    [–]FishCantHoldGuns 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I love this guide, but two suggestions / questions:

    1. I feel like a polo with a cool overall print / ditsy print thing going on has it's place. Just don't pop your collar and dress simple with the rest of your outfit.

    2. A little bit of crew neck undershirt sticking out of the top of a crew neck sweater never killed anyone, right?

    [–]papers_ -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Squared-Toed dress shoes are extremely common in CDMX

    [–]villainocity -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I did pretty well until 7 & 8.

    On a side note, I wish cargo shorts were more socially acceptable. I wore the shit out of those back in the day and I miss them. Wallet, phone, MP3 player, pocket knife, cigs, and lighter all carried around comfortably.

    I just carry the phone and wallet these days, but still. So much room for activities.

    [–]achosid 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I agree with everything here. Great list.

    [–]yougonnayou 145 ポイント146 ポイント  (195子コメント)

    Have other men not received the memo on cargo shorts or do they just not care? I still see them all the time and they're awful.

    [–]realvmouse 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    The memo is written by people who care way too much about what other people wear and worry way too much about what others will think of their clothes. It is being handed out to people who didn't ask for their opinion. Tell someone enough that something they're doing is horrible, when it's not hurting anyone else and they like it, and find it convenient, and they will do more than ignore you, they'll begin to dislike you and people like you.

    They got the meno, they threw it away and think you're an asshole for circulating it again and again.

    [–]gomx -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You type like the kind of guy who owns a Vault Boy tee shirt and several newsboy caps

    [–]realvmouse 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No idea what either of those are, but I'm sure your target audience would understand and I'm sure i fit whatever stereotype you're referring to.

    [–]yougonnayou 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It's cargo shorts, not a fucking rebellion.

    [–]realvmouse 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Who's rebelling? I said there are a lot of people who would look at someone saying "i keep seeing this style and it's terrible, how did they not get the memo" and say they're an asshole.

    It's one thing to offer fashion advice to people looking for it, which is why i have no problem with OPs comment. But the guy i replied to above is asking why the decision not to wear them won't die out everywhere, which goes beyond being helpful to people looking for advice.

    [–]yougonnayou 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You're right man. I shouldn't have said it the way I did. I was wrong.

    [–]Renzulli -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    I'm just gonna ignore this memo. I disagree. I need pockets.

    [–]stanley_twobrick 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Yes, shockingly not everyone wants to look like we're told we should on this sub.

    [–]yougonnayou 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    You're on a sub about mens' fashion. Cargo shorts aren't fashionable. You want to define your own style feel free, but know that it's widely agreed that cargo shorts don't look good.

    [–]stanley_twobrick 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    What does that have to do with you seeing men wearing cargo shorts? The answer is no, they don't care about this subs concept of fashion.

    [–]gomx 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    no, they don't care about this subs concept of fashion.

    Literally any concept of fashion.

    Dudes who wear cargo shorts do not care enough about fashion to have opinions about it

    [–]IamtheSlothKing 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Did a pair of shorts murder your parents?

    [–]chickenchowmain -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I could probably find a thousand guys who look better in cargos than you in your finest pair of skin tight khakis

    [–]Facelessone001 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't think anyone has put on a pair of cargo shorts trying to seem fashionable. Yet people put them down for wearing them for being unfashionable when that wasn't the reason for them being worn

    [–]Urschleim_in_Silicon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah I don't think guys are putting on cargo shorts I the morning because they're attempting to be fashionable.

    [–]ATE_SPOKE_BEE 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (24子コメント)

    It's what I wear when I'm working in the yard or running errands

    I get dressed to go out, or go to work. If I'm not going somewhere I wear jeans and sneakers with a t shirt, or cargos and flip flops if the weather is nice

    Don't you own some shitty clothes? Or do you mow the lawn in your shiny shoes

    [–]Duuhh_LightSwitch 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (22子コメント)

    Yeah, sure, wear some shitty clothes from time to time. That doesn't make them fashionable

    [–]ATE_SPOKE_BEE 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (18子コメント)

    Of course they're not, what did you think I meant by shitty

    He asked the question and I answered. You people are so touchy about what other people wear that you downvote someone for answering a question

    [–]GronVarg 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    There's a lot of pretentiousness on this sub, no use trying to argue against it.

    [–]Duuhh_LightSwitch 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    How was my answer pretentious? We're talking about wearing clothes from a fashion standpoint. The muck around clothes you wear when you're home alone are irrelevant.

    [–]Duuhh_LightSwitch 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There's a difference between guys who wear cargo shorts out in public and those who wear them to do yard work. Your answer was unhelpful

    [–]IamtheSlothKing -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I feel bad for all the young guys who actually come here thinking they will get male fashion advice

    [–]theunnoanprojec 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You're literally answering your own argument.

    People wear shitty clothes not to look fashionable, but for practicality/comfort

    [–]woohoo 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Cargo shorts are fine, you can wear them.

    [–]the-orchid-kidpleb 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Can you show me a fit with cargo shorts that would not be improved by trading them off for above the knee normal shorts

    [–]Cynikal818 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I have hooked up with a lot of girls while out wearing my old camo/cargo shorts

    I think i either know how to rock it, or redditors blow that shit way out of proportion

    [–]pinky0926[S] 158 ポイント159 ポイント  (74子コメント)

    More than that, some men will defend them to the death. Take this comment defending cargo shorts, which received 19.3k upvotes and 3 gildings. I mean I laughed too, but the flurry of people rushing to defend cargo shorts was a bit perplexing.

    [–]HateIsStronger 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (13子コメント)

    Don't really see what's wrong with them

    [–]LeCyclimse 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Imagine a silhouette of a person where the widest point is around the knees, this is your shape in cargo shorts.

    [–]Azul788 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Shouldn't the fact that the comment has so much support show that maybe "fashionable" people's hardline stance on cargo shorts is possibly a little silly? Maybe you guys aren't so unanimous and the opinion you posit as essentially objective fact isn't so unanimously agreed on.

    [–]EvilSardine 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (22子コメント)

    I don't get it. The main thing the cargo short wearing people use as an argument is comfort and ability to carry items. I have a pair of super comfy stylish Jcrew 9" shorts that can hold the following without anyone knowing (pocket knife might show):

    1)Wallet

    2)Car keys

    3)iPhone 6+

    4)Kershaw skyline pocket knife

    5)Smith and Wesson M&P 9 Compact

    6)Fenix L2D flashlight (only at night when walking dog)

    [–]chocovanlatte 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    You just listed comfort and ability to carry items as your primary concern. Nobody is denying that you can carry a bunch of stuff in your cargo pants, we are just saying that they are extremely unfashionable

    [–]Urschleim_in_Silicon 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I gotta be honest, as a middle aged, not fat but not fit, father of two boys ages 2-6, and a professional IT guy, I'm not putting on cargo shorts or pants in the morning in some attempt at being fashionable.

    The knowledge that there are people walking past me somehow snubbing me or raising their nose at me while smugly judging the pants I'm wearing is laughable to me. They could be getting bent out of shape about my unfashionable cargo pants while I am completely oblivious to their scrutiny.

    It takes all kinds though, I guess.

    [–]TruNinja619 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That person does bring up some good points, especially how the male fashion trend is on the slim/skinny trend. Personally, I'm not a fan of it, and considering my body structure is more on the bulkier side, I couldn't pull off the many of the slim fitting clothes even if I wanted to.

    I know we're in a fashion-based sub, but I always found cargo pants/shorts were more about function and less about fashion. I never understood why people keep bashing them. It was never meant to be a fashion piece to begin with IMO.

    [–]Lazordeladidou 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    I'm trying to look more mature but I can't see myself not wearing shorts when it's awfully hot in the Summer and don't have to dress formal, do you consider these to be appropriate? Or must one go for the pocketless shorts?

    [–]fattestjay -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    i'll prob get hated on for the frat boy connotation but i really like how chubbies look. i don't own a pair, but just that fit in general looks best imo. shorts that cover the knee look really weird, and when they're too slim, it looks awkward. chubbies have a short, slouchy fit that i think looks great.

    if you're not in decent shape, idk how great they'll look though.

    [–]Sluisifer 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Those aren't cargo shorts.

    I'd go for a shorter inseam; those are riding the weird territory between shorts and capris.

    [–]conv3rsion -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I need the pockets. Period. Full stop.

    [–]daywalkin_ginge 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    This might seem like a silly question...but what are the other options to cargo shorts? It's all I seem to see at the store. That said...I shop for shorts like once every two years...

    [–]sheguedep 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Never has a single item of clothing been so defiantly defended by men

    Real talk tho. I went into that paragraph thinking "i know what you're saying is true but I will not give up my cargo shorts"

    They're comfortable and they're useful. That's all a lot of men care about.

    But note, it's like OP says, one should only wear them in outdoor summer activities.

    [–]pinky0926[S] 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Agreed, but I think if comfort and utility are all you care about, then you're probably in the wrong sub ;)

    [–]cartrman 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    What about long sleeve shirts under short sleeve shirts? I love those.

    [–]ksbluesfan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I would add "never wear an undershirt without a shirt over it.". T-shirts are fine, but undershirts stay under.

    [–]12Mucinexes 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I know they may not be fashionable, but I'm not willing to stop wearing my long cargo shorts during the summer because I don't like to wear any kind of shorts that go above the knees. Any recommendations on what kind of long shorts I should wear instead during the Summer?

    [–]jmullin09 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Question regarding #8. I'm not very fashion conscious, I fall into the polo everyday category that is forbidden in #7 but thats our work attire so i'm not talking about that one right now. But the undershirts, in my opinion do more to cover up the chest hair from showing through my collar on my polo more than it does to cover up sweat stains. So i actually choose shirts with necks that fit adequately for this purpose. What is a guy like me supposed to do. And don't just say shave, there is also a farmer's tan whiteness factor i would rather have covered in addition to the hair.

    [–]pinky0926[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    So you have to wear a polo shirt, and you don't want to shave your hair, but you also want to cover your chest hair and farmers tan, but you don't want to shave it off?

    Well I mean, you just kind of answered your own question. The only answer is a crew neck undershirt.

    [–]GronVarg 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    IMO you're fine, I see people wear undershirts all the time and it's perfectly acceptable. I like most of OP's guide but I find that one a bit too nitpicky.

    [–]onemany 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    For number 8 it's written a little odd. Your neck is always visible when you wear a button down. Unless you are wearing one of the mythical turtle neck button downs.

    I think you mean wearing a crew neck with an oxford that leaves the crew neck visible. Or you mean the neckline.

    [–]re7erse 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    No. 8 is the only one I completely disagree with, and I even think the examples look just fine (except for the 2nd one, but that's more about the baggy wrinkly shirt)

    [–]mcarrode 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Any advise on dress shoes? I've never liked my boxy dress shoes, I feel like my grandpa wearing them. I don't really know what my alternatives are though.

    [–]Knightwalker00 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    11? Yeah? No.

    [–]PM_me_ur_FavItem 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Somebody PLEASE recommend me some shorts. I've been avoiding cargo shorts like the plague but it's so difficult to find an alternative that aren't basketball shorts

    [–]Pheo340 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is hilarious, relevant, and full of truth!

    [–]P3ltsi 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (14子コメント)

    Dang, nice guide and not a single mention about bow ties.

    Maybe I should try to pull one off unironically...

    [–]pinky0926[S] 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    I feel like bow ties are one of those things that people are just going to wear if they really want to regardless of what anyone says. Hopefully there are very few people in this world who aren't aware that bow-ties are inherently dorky unless you're also wearing a tux.