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submitted by homemadepandashitty heir
because of u/exdeath1987 claiming that AIs cheat, I did experiment, and he was just wrong.
I started as king of Leon, and look at my army size and galicia's army size
then I resigned, and started as king of galicia. this is galicia's army, while leon's army.
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[–]cyberkhanGenghismagne 63 points64 points65 points  (7 children)
The only cheat AI uses is no fog of war.
[–]keplar 30 points31 points32 points  (1 child)
Thank you. That thread was extremely frustrating - one person repeatedly screaming "there is no other possible explanation!" In the face of multiple more experienced players providing multiple other possible explanations.
Troop counts are a complicated thing to calculate to the man, but at a basic level, they are quite straightforward. The big things that effect levy counts:
  • Your martial ability.
  • Whether and where you place your marshal to increase levies, and his martial ability if you do.
  • Buildings in holdings from which you or your vassals draw troops.
  • Your relationships with your vassals.
  • Your vassals' martial abilities, and the use and abilities of their marshals.
  • The location of your capital relative to your vassals.
That's all just for levies - retinues, mercenaries, and event/intrigue option troops are a bonus.
[–]SaelonLeon 12 points13 points14 points  (4 children)
Wow, I didn't think people seriously thought AI cheated in this game. I thought it was just a meme people said.
[–]LeivveNorthern Rome 14 points15 points16 points  (3 children)
In EU4 they mechanically cheat a lot, so people assumed that applied to CK2 too.
[–]Esumark 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
Zone of control is just a suggestion for the AI.
[–]LeivveNorthern Rome 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
"Can you at least pretend you have naval supply limits?"
[–]lightgiverHolland 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Flashbacks of the British parking 62 ships including 20+ warships in the strait of malaaca for 3 years when their closest port was South Africa and suffering no attrition.

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[–]LupusetVulpusThe Kentish White Horse 6 points7 points8 points  (9 children)
Pretty much in any game whereby you hear a player declaring the Declarations of 'Cheating AI' will immediately make me believe the player to be a fourteen year old child who either mismanaged something or experienced their first loss.
Put simply, it is easier to blame a faceless entity than blame your own shortcomings.
[–]doktarr 5 points6 points7 points  (4 children)
To be fair, there are lots and lots of games where the AI does "cheat", either in a straightforward way by getting bonuses, or by having a different set of rules for how AI entities interact with the game mechanics. CK2 is just, for the most part, not one of those games.
[–]GogglesMcgum 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
The Civilisation series being an example of obviously cheating AI
[–]lightgiverHolland 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
I remember feeling so betrayed when I realized that the AI doesn't get better on harder difficulty but got just got more cheats to make up for it not getting smarter.
I remember learning latter on that if they did make the AI smarter by doing more checks per turn to make sure it is playing optionally it would of ground the game to a halt in the late game.
[–]doktarr 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
It's not just that. It's also just very hard to make an AI that takes all the right things into account. They could do a lot more checks and the AI would still, at times, behave illogically.
[–]doktarr 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Yes, although you can play at a lower difficulty with no production bonuses.
[–]PangurtheWhite -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
You'd be a lot happier if you weren't so judgmental over a stupid video game.
[–]LupusetVulpusThe Kentish White Horse 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
Which, correct me if I'm wrong, you have just done in your reply?
[–]cykikvisageHouse Ovidius 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
You both are being childish on this one. You made a great point save for the 14 year old part. You could have just said younger people or left age out entirely. The guy that replied you has no merit to his post and is only trying to be edgy hoping people will come to his defense for a dopamine shot.
[–]Fim0458 3 points4 points5 points  (11 children)
/u/exdeath1987 Any response?
[–]exdeath1987 comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points  (10 children)
Yeah, the AI cheats and I can prove it, but why bother? I can start games and show in screenshots just as easily that the AI always has an army size that's bigger in this scenario. Who knows why /u/homemadepanda is seeing differently - maybe it's because he used the console to make sure it worked out in his favor?
Point is, go do some experiments and see for yourself. The AI is able to do things a player simply can not do - especially in the first couple months of a fresh start. If I play as Leon, I will almost always lose my wars with neighbors - even when I have superior (1000+) higher troop totals. They will make alliances with other kingdoms that, if I were to play as their kingdom, I would be unable to ally with so quickly.
I don't really intend on continuing to discuss this, and actually I'm a little surprised that it created such a 'controversy.' AI cheating in games isn't anything new, and if you weren't a coder for paradox (and aren't willing to perform experiments diligently) you really can't just be like, 'oh yeah, the AI doesn't cheat, you just suck at this game' which is apparently what the cult community here likes to respond with.
If paradox themselves haven't actually discussed it, then it's a possibility that everyone who plays CK2 has to accept.
[–]remcor1Isle of Aliens 3 points4 points5 points  (6 children)
Sooo when someone tries it out and it goes against what you say the person faked the results? Yeah sounds about right when ur stubborn about your own opinion.
[–]exdeath1987 -3 points-2 points-1 points  (5 children)
The problem is that I've tried it and experienced the results I posted. It's not being stubborn when I've seen differently - but I get it, you don't want to believe the AI cheats. That's fine. Good for you.
[–]remcor1Isle of Aliens 3 points4 points5 points  (4 children)
How do we know you didnt fake the results? We dont need to believe you with your proof if you dont belief OP with his proof.
[–]doktarr [score hidden]  (0 children)
I don't believe /u/exdeath1987 faked results. Rather, I presume he
  • didn't look closely at how the troop numbers came to be what they were in those games
  • exaggerated the gap in army size when ranting here
  • doubled down on his contention because he didn't want to admit his ignorance.
It's all pretty normal, understandable behavior. No great effort at deception here.
[–]exdeath1987 -3 points-2 points-1 points  (2 children)
I think you're misunderstanding me.
I don't care what you believe, and I don't particularly care if you believe me. I didn't post what I did with the intent on getting anyone to 'believe' me. Have a good day.
[–]homemadepandashitty heir[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)
Then why did you post it if no one is going to believe you? Gey away from this sub you filthy liar.
[–]homemadepandashitty heir[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)
And do me a favor and delete every post that no one is going to believe. You filthy liar.
[–]Fim0458 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I've got 3000 hours and I've never seen what you describe tbh.
You are acting with a p huge amount of arrogance here.
[–]doktarr [score hidden]  (0 children)
Yeah, the AI cheats and I can prove it, but why bother? I can start games and show in screenshots just as easily that the AI always has an army size that's bigger in this scenario.
Then please do. People will take you seriously if you do. And people actually would be interested. It would bring value to the community. If you don't care about what people think and you don't care about helping the community out, then why did you post in the first place, and why did you bother to respond repeatedly?
Who knows why /u/homemadepanda is seeing differently - maybe it's because he used the console to make sure it worked out in his favor?
Accusing someone who has posted far more convincing data than yours of out-and-out lying is not going to earn you a lot of goodwill around here.
If I play as Leon, I will almost always lose my wars with neighbors - even when I have superior (1000+) higher troop totals. They will make alliances with other kingdoms that, if I were to play as their kingdom, I would be unable to ally with so quickly.
This is a very different story than what you started with; now you're claiming that the AI has success beyond human possibility in forming alliances? This is a very different claim. AI-AI diplomatic interaction is obviously handled differently than human-AI diplomatic interaction, so it's at least plausible to me that you're right about this to some extent. But if this is your point you should probably acknowledge that /u/homemadepanda didn't fake the images above.
[–]SuitableDragonfly 0 points1 point2 points  (5 children)
Gwynedd is out of diplomatic range as Galicia? It's only a few sea tiles, isn't it?
[–]c4r151Y Ddraig Goch 2 points3 points4 points  (4 children)
Gwynedd is out of diplomatic range as Galicia?
It isn't. The guy might be confusing "Out of diplomatic range" for "Won't accept an alliance/non-aggression pact"
[–]SuitableDragonfly 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
I'm still not sure why they wouldn't accept a NAP or alliance. It's not like they have claims on Galicia and you're an independent king.
[–]c4r151Y Ddraig Goch 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
From having a quick play around as the king of Galicia at the 1066 start date the Petty King of Gwynedd won't let me marry any of his daughter due to "political concerns", although I can make it happen by sending him a gift and buying a favour from him.
I suspect the guy is very new to the game and dosen't know how to use all the tools at his disposal.
[–]SuitableDragonfly 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Yeah, I don't know what "political concerns" means most of the time. Tried to renew a NAP with the king of England recently and he said no because of political concerns but a couple of years later there were no more political concerns. Nothing of note had really changed. I dunno.
[–]remcor1Isle of Aliens 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I think political concerns in that case meant that he wants someone close to ally? And after a few years he probably has or just stopped trying to get close allies and just wants to ally anybody strong or a bit further away? To be honest we can never know with such a vague description.
[–]CheetuhmanDandolo dindu nuffin 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
AND THEY SPELL D1545T3R FOR YOU.
[–]Panicsferd 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
I had similar issues myself where it seemed that the ai was cheating or something but I think what it was is I didn't account for his vassels's armies coming to his aid.
It was the charlemange start and I was sigurd ring in sweden and I had a total army size of 1.8k and the sjalland king only had like 1.2k troops and I was able to call in my other sweden allies to help me in a subjecation war but to had over 2.5-3k troops against his 1.2k and I was able to defeat his troops and take land - but then out of no where he managed to get another 2k men and I checked before hand he didn't have enough prestige to get the war party thing and then I managed to lose all my troops and then decided to restart since didn't want to lose or do a white peace.
So I'm not entirely sure where the king of sjalland managed to get an extra 1-1.5k men that seemed to come out of no where when I had like 70-80% war score?
[–]PokewhoIrish Jews [score hidden]  (0 children)
If they're defending against a foe of another religion, then (pagan?) tribals can raise 2500 men for 200 piety. Either that, or mercs?
[–]KouropalatesThe Lusty Palace Eunuch 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
I'm pretty sure it cheats in ways. Like their raiders riding through counties unhostile then suddenly 'poof!' they turn hostile halfway through your lands. Never been able to do that myself.
[–]Spebnag 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
If your raiders get defeated in battle you lose the ability to raid the specific realm for 5 years, thus turning you non-hostile to them, making you not stand out while crossing their provinces.
[–]stoobahMiðgarðr 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
An army set to raid also won't actually become hostile and start taking loot until they stop in a province. I have a feeling that what you've seen are AI adventurer bands who are trying to walk somewhere through your land, stop for a second when they change their mind, then become hostile because they technically were stationary in your land for a moment.
[–]KouropalatesThe Lusty Palace Eunuch -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
So explain to me why exactly my raiders are hostile to the ruler of a land just for passing through. I'm not contesting you, I'm genuinely curious because when I've tried to use raiders, I've always felt like the AI had advantages, but I don't actually understand the finetune parts of how raiding works.
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