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[–]Chetcommandosrockon 25 points 4 days ago

This is what happens when a sorority girl goes to liberal college USA and gets a job as a 'journalist' at some irrelevant company, and now thinks they have some kinda of enhanced know-how on politics and issues.

The point of the matter is the guy that harassed Ivanka was a POS and shouldn't have done it. This 'journalist' states in her tweets that she basically supports what he did. But of course she worded it in the "liberal way" of being vague enough to try and weasel out of it in case she was called out. Tucker exposed her for stumbling over her words and trying to weasel out of what she said, and she got mad.

Sorry sweetheart but you're what's wrong with this country. Ivanka Trump is 100000x the female role model than you or your SJWs or leftists will ever be. YOU'RE the one making it about gender, YOU'RE the one praising people are berating others with different ideologies in public situations, YOU'RE the one making it about Ivanka's physical appearance as a woman, YOU'RE the one making it seem that not supporting Abortion and Planned Parenthood is Anti-woman, while in fact millions of women are against such things.

Ivanka Trump isn't the problem, neither is Donald Trump or Tucker. You're the problem and your toxic idealogy that is making it so a fucking mother can't fly on a plane with her children in peace.

[–]Chroko -7 points 3 days ago

Tucker exposed her

Tucker repeatedly misquoted her, so of course she's going to object to that. You're mischaracterizing her objections as "losing" when he simply made up his argument in the first place. And then echo chamber is just as insane, including lying about her deleting tweets in an attempt to drag her through the mud.

Sorry sweetheart

Scumbag Redditor: accuses woman of being condescending and sexist, while being condescending and sexist.

Ivanka Trump is 100000x the female role model

What's that role model exactly? Because there's only a limited opportunity for immigrants to marry a gaudy, bankrupt mobster.

not supporting Abortion and Planned Parenthood

Nobody thinks that the decision to have an abortion is good. But very often it is the best choice to take when considering the options. And a large number of people agree that it is necessary to have widespread gynecological care (which includes sex education and yes - the option for abortion), in order to improve the quality of life for a great many people.

What don't you get about this?

Ivanka Trump isn't the problem, neither is Donald Trump or Tucker

The problem is that by stealing the presidency through gerrymandering and then this electoral collage debacle, we are facing a country where the opinions of the government does not represent the opinions and the will of the people.

I thought this is the exact scenario that rugged right-wing gun-slinging independent militia types had been preparing to face for decades - when the government doesn't abide by the people - but it turns out that they actually don't like America or democracy very much.

[–]heavyindustry 13 points 3 days ago

[–]Stephanieshopaholic 7 points 3 days ago

[–]SPC1995 3 points 3 days ago

Shush, don't bring up gerrymandering.. you're going to give away the Dem's strategy to stacking the deck in presidential elections. There is no debacle with the electoral college, seeing as though we all love it when it works for us and curse it when it doesn't. You don't get to have it both ways though. The real debacle is living in New York, California, and New England bubbles where the echo chamber is so strong that there is no diversity of opinion. It's either assimilate or face harassment. The highly populated East and West coast influences high popular vote counts with voter intimidation. How likely are you in NYC, Los Angeles, Hollywood, San Francisco, and Philadelphia to go against the grain when all you know is Liberal ideology and if you don't support Democrats you'll be physically and verbally put through the ringer. That's voter intimidation. The MSM dictates who you should vote for and what to think through misinformation, biased reporting, and unsolicited opinions and the East/West coast SJW's twist your arm into submission.

[–]TheAlphaGareBear 2 points 3 days ago

[–]Chroko -1 points 3 days ago

My point is that nobody's first plan was to have an abortion, even for women who do choose to have one.

What they really wanted was to have birth control that worked - and to not have been impregnated in the first place. Preventing pregnancy through education and birth control is a large part of Planned Parenthood, hence the name of the organization.

So by the time someone does decide to have an abortion, they only do so because it is the least bad choice that is remaining for them. Nobody wants to have an abortion, but they may need to be able to pick that option. That choice should always be available, because it's cruel to deny.

This is what conservatives fail to understand when they push nonsensical policies based on the fantasy of women deliberately getting pregnant so they can then have abortions.

[–]DooDooDoodle 3 points 3 days ago

A large number of women who get abortions didn't use birth control.

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2002/11/contraceptive-use-among-us-women-having-abortions-2000-2001

METHODS: Contraceptive use patterns among a nationally representative sample of 10,683 women receiving abortion services in 2000-2001 were examined, as well as reasons for nonuse, problems with the most frequently used methods and the impact emergency contraceptive pills have had on abortion rates.

RESULTS: Forty-six percent of women had not used a contraceptive method in the month they conceived, mainly because of perceived low risk of pregnancy and concerns about contraception (cited by 33% and 32% of nonusers, respectively). The male condom was the most commonly reported method among all women (28%), followed by the pill (14%). Inconsistent method use was the main cause of pregnancy for 49% of condom users and 76% of pill users; 42% of condom users cited condom breakage or slippage as a reason for pregnancy. Substantial proportions of pill and condom users indicated perfect method use (13-14%). As many as 51,000 abortions were averted by use of emergency contraceptive pills in 2000.

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[–]Chroko 1 point 13 hours ago

A large number of women who get abortions didn't use birth control.

And? How is that contradictory to anything I wrote?

You may have missed this part of my previous comment:

Preventing pregnancy through education and birth control is a large part of Planned Parenthood

If you're uncomfortable with the rate of abortion, it sure sounds as if you ought to be a strong supporter and advocate for both Planned Parenthood and compulsory contraceptive-focused sex education in schools.

The article you linked to states that "decreases in income and education are associated with increased contraceptive nonuse"; it then goes on to state that inaccurate (or incomplete) sex education in high schools is likely a contributing cause to not using contraceptives.

You're trying to spin this as if women are deliberately getting pregnant by not using birth control - but the underlying problem is that they don't know any better because nobody ever told them how to use condoms or how to reduce the risks of unwanted pregnancies (and as anyone who has dealt with raging teenage hormones should know, saying "just don't have sex" is counter-productive and doesn't help for when they do.)

[–]DooDooDoodle 1 point 13 hours ago

[–]Chroko 1 point 9 hours ago

You said that they wanted birth control that worked.

Yes, I did say that. And this is why education is so important.

One fatal flaw of birth control is actually deciding to use it

A big problem with the lack of education is that teens believe myths such as that "pulling out" is an effective method of birth control (hint: it isn't); or districts that promote abstinence-only education which then leaves teenagers clueless about how easy it is to get pregnant or to impregnate someone (and they don't think it will happen to them.)

If you don't tell teenagers how sex works they're going to make mistakes and do things that they think are safe but aren't. And then they get reported as a statistic for not using birth control and having an abortion.

This is why (as the article you linked to above states) increased sex education correlates to increased usage of effective birth control methods and correlates to reduced pregnancy rates - and then reduced abortion rates.