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[Meta]Regarding Calory's "Secret Santa"DISCUSSION (self.RocketLeagueExchange)

Gek_LharPSN/STEAM ID: MisterDrProf が 投稿 - announcement

As you may all be aware, /u/Calory 's Secret Santa was a hoax, and he has made off with all the items.

LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR, WE HAD NO ROLE IN THIS, NOR DID WE APPROVE THIS!

The trusted MM of the sub ran our own SS.

When Calory made his original post, he stated there was no mod(s) helping him.

WE ALSO STATED THAT THIS USER WAS NOT A TRUSTED MM, AND THAT BY PARTICIPATING YOU ARE PUTTING YOURSELF AT RISK, AND THAT WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS.

We've learned a lesson.

Edit: I attempted to lend him my assistance , here you can see me tell him about how the Xbox MM are few and far in between and I would be more than happy to help on Xmas.

Here is what THE HEAD MOD said (and pinned to the top, mind you) on the post Calory made about cancelling the secret santa.

Is only game, why you heff to be mad?

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[–]strobelobehttp://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198238147454 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I 100% disagree with what asshatCalory did and believe he is a cesspool of scum and I hope someone with elite networking skills can literally fuck his shit up but

#MoreThan2Years

I believe Rocket League will be relevant in 2 years!

[–]doberzdoberz 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (5子コメント)

this is just a virtual game that will not be relevant in 2 years.

T R I G G E R E D

[–]Wunder_BredWunder Bred ^-^ http://steamcommunity.com/id/Wunder_Bred 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

screen shakes

[–]sause246http://steamcommunity.com/id/sause246/ 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

+Hey mods! I just want to report this guy cuz he scammed me 50 heatwaves and my 1k dollars from Paypal.

-Is only game, why you heff to be mad?

Best answer ever. 5/7 would reply again

[–]original_sh4rpie 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

so many lols. I commented right when he posted saying, "what's stopping OP from keeping all the items?" My comment quickly was down voted 3-6 times.

[–]beneke 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's not much else to be said. /u/Calory is a piece of shit, and his thinly veiled attempt at teaching us a "lesson" was nothing other than a long-running scam. Good riddance.

[–]Salguod14Salguod15 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude scammed 191 people... Just counted

[–]scopinsource 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

More like Secret Satan.

[–]keystoneice 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Stop blaming the mods you idiots

[–]Gek_LharPSN/STEAM ID: MisterDrProf[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

^

[–]MassMania 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing.

The criticism of the mods' inability to enforce their own rules is valid.

As stated by a lot of other people in this thread, Calory's post clearly broke VII. Arguably he broke it even more, since he wasn't doing a giveaway, he was doing a "give me your items and I give them back randomly."

LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR, WE HAD NO ROLE IN THIS, NOR DID WE APPROVE THIS!

But you DID have a role in this. You allowed a post that broke the subreddit rules. You enabled a scammer.

WE ALSO STATED THAT THIS USER WAS NOT A TRUSTED MM, AND THAT BY PARTICIPATING YOU ARE PUTTING YOURSELF AT RISK, AND THAT WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS.

You're basically saying "THIS GUY BREAKS OUR RULES BUT WE ARE ALLOWING HIM TO DO IT. JUST BE AWARE."

This is terrible moderation.

Why even have rules if people are allowed to break them? Fact is, you enabled a scammer. And you failed to protect the more trusting members of your community.

Earn up to the fact that you, the mods, made a mistake. Instead of the cringy damage control you've been doing so far, which boils down to "it's your own fault".

[–]TwerkingElephantPC/PS4 TwerkingElephant 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

How can one be so cold hearted. During Christmas as well.

[–]Nicksterx8Nicksterx4632 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know I feel like he has to be the devil to not feel horrible about it

[–]sajuukxhttp://steamcommunity.com/id/sajuukx/ 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yes, you didnt approve it; but having it on front page with multiple posts, having no moderatorship on the post; is enough to make people trust; because people are naive, moderators need to defend them. If you dont think like this, then there's a no reason to have scammer list as well

This is supposed to be a nice safe place to trade. You tell people to use middleman in real money trades, couldn't you also warn people that it's not official? Like a real warning.

I dont find anyone faulty here; but moderator team either need some more help, or more strict policies. I still see lots of threads/comments that are against the rules, yet either you guys lack the power or dont have time to deal with it. And you know, Rule VII states that giveaways should be planned with a moderator before. Have you approved this secret santa? That's a big question

Hopefully that's a lesson for all, that people are not nice, there are lots of bad people and you should trust only specific people who has something to lose. Good luck to everyone in new trades, merry christmas!

[–]chrisychris-/id/chrisychris_[M] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I have already explained it to you, we believed this was going to work out as much as everyone else did. There is nothing we can do outside of middlemanning every single trade on a huge giveaway like this, which means we're going to end up doing the giveaway anyways, or banning any projects like this from being created which you said you don't want that happening. What do you suggest?

[–]sajuukxhttp://steamcommunity.com/id/sajuukx/ 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Greetings again; you have explained this to me in the comments; but this announcement (if approved by you) have no info regarding these issues.

You should state that certain things will change, especially about your trust level regarding giveaways, you should state that not-removing (or publicly seriously warning) this giveaway was faulty.

And also telling people that these are just virtual items that will disappear in 2 years is a ballsy and unprofessional announcement in my opinion. If this announcement was pointing the issues that you had regarding this giveaway; instead of slightly evading the moderator team from responsibility; i couldve just written the last paragraph of my comment.

You have my respect chris; nothing personal here

[–]chrisychris-/id/chrisychris_ 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And also telling people that these are just virtual items that will disappear in 2 years is a ballsy and unprofessional announcement in my opinion.

We are not professionals, we're not emotionless either. For someone who says what you're saying is not personal, you've taken the joke statement a little bit too seriously. The post's purpose still exists without this sentence so do not pay too much attention to it.

You should state that certain things will change, especially about your trust level regarding giveaways, you should state that not-removing (or publicly seriously warning) this giveaway was faulty.

This is me saying that future, big projects like these will have a warning saying it's not being run by moderators or middle-men.

[–]hoodyh000o 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My guess is more help for you guys! Idk anything about Reddit moderating or anything of that sort and have the utmost respect for you guys doing the job but I imagine it's time consuming and I'm sure you guys could use some help. I also understand that ppl want these types of events to go on but I would limit it to giveaways only. Clearly no one..no one..should be trusted to hold the community's items except you guys that are there for that purpose. This isn't anyone's fault but Calory. We can only take away what we've learned and apply it to how we will proceed in the future!

[–]MassMania 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing.

[–]Yimpish 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

His real GT is "Sweg" if anyone wants to report him on Xbox, there you go

[–]Wangatang7272 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's not even that we're mad he took our items, it just makes us angry how much of a scumbag he is.

[–]Nicksterx8Nicksterx4632 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm mad because both😐

[–]Wangatang7272 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

True but it's just sad how much of a cunt he is

[–]Nicksterx8Nicksterx4632 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah overall he just needs a rewiring(just a phrase) he clearly doesn't have much of a heart

[–]LucRam328 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Wow, he was such a nice guy at times, was bummed I didn't donate and now I'm not even grateful I didn't donate I just feel sick to my stomach. Wasn't a striker lightning set donated?

[–]Gek_LharPSN/STEAM ID: MisterDrProf[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (6子コメント)

No, he never gave the lights, thankfully

[–]LucRam328 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Phew, still takes the devil himself to do such a thing

[–]chrisychris-/id/chrisychris_ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Or did he.. https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeagueExchange/comments/5kfxhg/meta_yo/dbno7u6/?context=10000

[–]Dakilla13190Dakilla13190 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What was his comment?

[–]chrisychris-/id/chrisychris_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He just said "full set of lightnings" after they asked him what he donated.

[–]Dakilla13190Dakilla13190 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you... He messaged me about being swarmed with downvotes and I missed what he said!

[–]TradingLeague 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Will was in on it.

[–]APUSHT 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (8子コメント)

In the side bar of this subreddit, rule VII states that all giveaways must go through the moderators. The linked post also states that in any giveaway, the lot of items will go to a mod/trusted middleman in order to ensure the items are delivered safely.

Is Secret Santa not a giveaway? In this case, it is a pay-to-enter giveaway, but a giveaway nonetheless. It says in the rules that giveaways not approved by the mods will be removed, so by logical deduction, one would conclude the mods approved this giveaway as well.

Though you stated he was not a trusted MM and the mods were not backing his SS, why is it that I wasn't made aware of this? I checked his recent posts and no where do I see a stickied comment stating what you stated. Should it be my job to vet this guy myself? It looked like 100s of people had joined in, so it should've been made very obvious that this guy was not trusted by the moderators, or he shouldn't have been allowed to host such an event at all.

Although it's not any single party's fault, the mods are absolutely not absolved of responsibility of this. I view this as a real setback for the mods for allowing this to happen.

[–]BlazinscoNot My Gamertag 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

While I do agree it was the mod team's fault, it isn't their problem

Calory wanted the mods to approve the giveaway, that didn't work. One could assume they didn't like Calory's terms.

Then, they stated that it was not approved and enter at your own risk, if I had seen this, I would have stayed as far away as possible, but I ended up in the same place either way, lucky me.

It was the own ignorant people's fault they got scammed, imo. But in return, Calory is lower than shit for doing this.

[–]sajuukxhttp://steamcommunity.com/id/sajuukx/ 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They didnt like Calory's terms.

Then they should have removed it. It's what mods do, you know

[–]Gek_LharPSN/STEAM ID: MisterDrProf[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It wasn't a giveaway either.

A secret santa is different.

[–]BlazinscoNot My Gamertag 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It wasn't a secret santa, either.

It was a "Give me items and I'll disperse them randomly amongst you folk"

EDIT: Even more medieval

[–]Gek_LharPSN/STEAM ID: MisterDrProf[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah youre right

[–]APUSHT 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As I said, it's a reasonable assumption that it's a pay to enter giveaway.

[–]ethanog2002 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Such an asswipe man I feel horrid for all those that lost items. But it's the fact he denied some people a pleasant Christmas surprise is the worst a scumiest part

[–]MarshallThe7thMvrshxll 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

will not be relevant in 2 years.

Man I think you'll get more hate than Calory for that comment.

plsnobanmethx

[–]L_byrnes11 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like the vid :)

[–]SicherWok 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Will he get banned from Xbox servers?

[–]Gek_LharPSN/STEAM ID: MisterDrProf[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

No idea, dunno if we have that power.

[–]BlazinscoNot My Gamertag 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Especially since money can be implemented into this system, we need to get the dev team to know about this.

[–]Gek_LharPSN/STEAM ID: MisterDrProf[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The thing is, money is not implemented, nor is it supposed to.

It's against the EULA to trade items for out of game items.

[–]BlazinscoNot My Gamertag 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was talking about the anything goes trading thread, and about the Xbox "Looking for group" section. People sell items there and here, even though nobody is trading with Calory, ever.

[–]Nicksterx8Nicksterx4632 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He still will be able to trade cause he has like 39 accounts...

[–]Rendall2 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn, I called this the first time he posted the giveaway.

[–]nuraHx 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank God I only gave a polygonal but I feel so so bad for everyone that lost something valuable. Fuck this piece of shit.

[–]MrHindoGhttp://steamcommunity.com/id/HindoG/ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

 First of all, I would like to thank everyone who participated in the "Secret Santa." I personally didn't enter in this fraud, but I feel nothing but compassion for everyone who entered hoping to bring a smile to someone's face on Christmas morning. 

 On a different note, I think this can be a teaching lesson not only to the community in general (trust no one), but also to you moderators. I hold a high level of respect for each and every one of you moderators who volunteer day in and day out for the betterment of this subreddit, but you really need to keep these projects under your control (or at least the items). Too many fakes/frauds/scammers/assholes out there that will diminish this server if not controlled, at any means possible. 

 Thanks again to the legitimately good people on this subreddit that makes me come back every day <3. Merry belated Christmas.

[–]Blond_Spartan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Definitely agreed. Stuff like this just can't be trusted though, there are a lot of scammers out there and unfortunately a lot of people are just a little too trusting. But uh... #MoreThan2Years

[–]thechoocher 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Uh oh damage control time!!

[–]chrisychris-/id/chrisychris_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

We're going to lose SO much revenue after this!

[–]thechoocher 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Damage control: action taken to limit the damaging effects of an accident or error.

[–]chrisychris-/id/chrisychris_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Which is used when someone has something that can be damaged: revenue, public image, etc. The moderator team gives tons of time and effort to this subreddit and we don't have much to lose over not making this post, do not kid yourself.

[–]thechoocher 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Public image??? Ding ding ding!

[–]chrisychris-/id/chrisychris_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Again, not much to lose. I'll have a good nights' rest and the subreddit will continue functioning as it's always been. You're acting like we're going to lose sleep over this or scrambling and flailing to grab onto our "public image".

[–]thechoocher 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, rather than get into a pissing match I will move on. Why sit here and try to outwit me when obviously you have better things to do. Happy new year!

[–]chrisychris-/id/chrisychris_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I'm watching animu and probably going to play some Rocket League in a bit. Happy new year bro.

[–]celebrimbor9 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Not supporting the guy, AT ALL.. but sometimes people need life lessons like this.

Middlemen exist for a reason

[–]Fox--Kit 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, but at the same time, even if someone else was going to do this later, he literally created the problem he was 'teaching us a lesson' about. Kind of shitty to be like, 'yeah, watch out, there's shitty people out there. I'm helping you by proving it.' He's not righteous. He's just a narcissistic prick. =/

[–]celebrimbor9 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

agreed times a million.. hes a total dick, and took advantage of as many people as he could. absolutely not defending him, or glorifying his actions in any way.

He didn't help anyone except for himself

[–]TradingLeague 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

People don't need lessons like this on this scale at Christmas. People need post like his removed.

[–]sajuukxhttp://steamcommunity.com/id/sajuukx/ -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

i completely agree

[–]celebrimbor9 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep, It's better to learn here, with virtual items.. than in real life. None of the people who got scammed will ever fall for something like this again.

That said, I'd be highly pissed off still if I donated even a Takumi: Whizzle to this fuckface

[–]Sjc45 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would not be able to live with myself if I scammed someone for one item, let alone a hundred+ items in the season of giving

[–]T-Whitthttp://www.steamcommunity.com/id/twhitt773 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

was it for the xbox ss or all of them?

[–]chrisychris-/id/chrisychris_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This was on Xbox only, not the middlemen run Secret Santa

[–]T-Whitthttp://www.steamcommunity.com/id/twhitt773 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

wow some bs still tho

[–]RucKMinT 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The Bastard got a full Lightning Wheel set from one person :(

[–]Farhanhmhttp://steamcommunity.com/id/Rectifiedninja 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He didn't, the guy said he didn't give it to him, he said he would only give it to him at the day of the give away.

[–]JFKFC50 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm so glad I decided against doing this lol

[–]MrRafikki 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good thing all I donated was a spare set of wheels I didn't care for

[–]knocked_around 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I pity the guy for not having had loving parents that taught him values

[–]weselmowes 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I only wish there weren't so many people who did this for the wrong reason... So many people posting "lol so glad I only gave up ___" you didn't give it up or lose it. You were donating to hopefully give someone something unique and new for a fun Xmas exchange. You should be more upset for those that have none and could have had something. I am however so glad to see all the good that came of this. So many free giveaways and so many traders helping out those who have none. Yeah this was bad, but it allowed us to still show how amazing our community is. Cheers to upcoming 2017 mates! ✌✌

[–]BigMambaa 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah very poor modding from the exchange once again... not really surprised. Definitely should of been mod approved. Very sad

[–]wictor1992wictor1992 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Sadly, this is the moment which ruined RL trading forever. A good time to quit.

[–]chrisychris-/id/chrisychris_ 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree.

I'll take your items off your hands! For a good cause. /s

[–]wictor1992wictor1992 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aww, your karma is so high, what could possibly go wrong? /s

[–]hoodyh000o 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Too soon... :.(

[–]Fox--Kit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I mean, that's pretty fatalistic of you to think that just because one person stole a bunch of stuff that rocket league trading as a whole is awful and gone to the dogs. Most people here are good people and there's shitty people everywhere in every community. We got fooled, but we'll move on and keep trading because we're all mainly good people. Just be cautious and keep your guard up. But don't turn your back on on entire community because of the actions of one shit head. =/

[–]wictor1992wictor1992 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I did well above 500 trades here on reddit and collected a lot different experiences. What I can tell is, thats no joy to trade with someone who suspects everyone of scamming or ripping him off. And thats what I expect to happen now. People will become more careful, maybe even pathetic. And it destroys the nice and friendly trading atmosphere when you have to send proof every time because someone doesn't even believe you to have the item you're offering. But maybe I'm completely wrong. Time will show :)

[–]Fox--Kit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's true. I definitely feel that. My brother lost a trade the other day because his Internet was fitzing and making it hard to get the trade option up and the guy got skittish thinking it was a scam somehow and left. =/

I'm optimistic though. I think people will be more careful but will still trade as often as before. People will still be swell people and trade on good faith, and power will still be pricks and scam people out of their cherished goods.

[–]lusciouslou 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I go into every trade knowing this person could try and scam me. Every single trade I've ever done. That's how you stay safe. Be aware of what's going on.

[–]Czekskii 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Honestly if the Mods (sent here by jesus christ himself... clearly) were doing a secret santa, why didn't they just shoot down his scam. i mean honestly people who fell for it have no one but them selves to blame, but the Mods should have done more to protect the community IMO.

[–]deathmouseRenegade713 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

VII. Giveaways must be planned with moderators beforehand. Read this post.

what's the point of that rule??

From now on, any post with "giveaway" in the title will be automatically removed and please report any post that tries to go around this or does not a moderator approval comment.

[–]Farhanhmhttp://steamcommunity.com/id/Rectifiedninja 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

How would you know if it was a scam or not?

[–]Czekskii -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

honestly if a pay to enter giveaway not approved by Mods doesnt sound fishy idk what does. Still Mods are to busy manipulating prices to actually protect anyone's best interest on here, and let him steal from everyone. I would honestly not find it out of place if some mods were in on it. makes no sense that they leave this go on the front page when its grossly against the rules. Mods should have to pay everyone back... screw them

[–]Farhanhmhttp://steamcommunity.com/id/Rectifiedninja 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay I agree it was a mistake of the mods but why do you say that they are busy manipulating prices? They do not control what goes on the front-page, and how do you think we could stop him after the act was done?

[–]Bloodypalace 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

On an unrelated note, i was just scammed out of 10 keys by these guys:

Scammer His accomplice

I was supposed to get the parallax from him. He added the parallax to his side, then filled his side with like 12 random items and was like i don't want these so you can have them too and i accepted the trade but since the parallax wasn't in the view anymore i didn't notice that he had removed it.... So basically i just traded 10 keys for garbage, fml.

Here's one of them bragging about it...

[–]deathmouseRenegade713 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

damn, you fell for the oldest trick in the book. sorry that happened to you man, always be wary the moment someone starts adding other items - regardless of who you're trading with

[–]Bloodypalace 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just started trading in RL and didn't know about this trick. In dota2 and csgo the menu expands as you add more items to it so this never happens.

[–]thechoocher -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When the mods didn't disapprove of this secret Santa as their rules state they have to, they basically approved it by letting it ride. Your non action was loud and clear. Non rejection of said post is none other than mod approval. Plain and simple

[–]jw_frogger88PSN ID -> jw_frogger88 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Love how he said in this post that he was cancelling so nobody got screwed/scammed. Situations like this just make it harder to trust somebody you've never dealt with (for me at least). https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeagueExchange/comments/5fzgpn/xboxh_secret_santa_is_canceled_w_needs_to_be_seen/?

[–]PulseReveal234 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Calory IS TRIGGERED Is only geme He needs to chill out once again he's Triggered

[–]lusciouslou -10 ポイント-9 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Downvote me all you want.

That's the price you pay for being so trusting. If it was literally any other day of the year you would have absolutely said no to his idea. Why does Christmas change that?

You guys trust the mods to stop this. The mods who foster an environment enabling players to break the ToS of Rocket League, and that also do nothing as site wide Reddit rules are broken daily. If you believe the mods would have done anything to stop this, you're a fool.

[–]chrisychris-/id/chrisychris_[M] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yes because the ToS is the word of the land correct?

Psyonix is opened to a plethora of steam accounts, PS and Xbox accounts who openly trade items for money. There has only been one instance of someone being banned for it, and even then it was clouded in uncertainty because he may have been a cheater. If they truly wanted to hold Rocket League's ToS, accounts would be banned by the hundreds by now. Especially months after it was introduced.

I am very familiar with Reddit's rules and no, we do not break them with the witchhunting you accuse the subreddit of. Not once has the release of personal information of someone's identity, or call-to-actions to harass a user, have encouraged or allowed on this subreddit. Keep reaching dude.

[–]lusciouslou 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

If you break one rule, what's stopping you from breaking others? The rules are put in place for a reason, and the lack of punishment isn't an excuse to continue breaking those rules. If they change the rules, than real world trading is fine. As is, it shouldn't be encouraged.

You don't advocate witch hunting, but you allow it. There was a post the other day about a player wrongfully accused of being a scammer. That player got threatening messages, and has had other players refusing to talk to him. The system is ripe for abuse. He had to post proof to clear his name. If that isn't witch hunting, I'm not sure what is. There's a reason mob justice isn't prevalent in developed nations. It's a corrupt system.

[–]chrisychris-/id/chrisychris_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Because this is a market. You're ranting about a market not following rules that are not enforced or encouraged; why?

Posting scammers with evidence allows for awareness that would otherwise be ignored. Funny how you talk about one post and disregard every other post that has worked well when they warn about a scammer.

[–]lusciouslou -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

That is the overall philosophy behind the justice system. It's a bad system if it punishes the guilty 98% of the time, and punishes the innocent 2% of the time. The idea is to limit the amount of times the innocent get punished. The system this sub has is has no protection for that. That is a system ripe for abuse.

[–]chrisychris-/id/chrisychris_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

And what are you suggesting? Have everything kept private? That doesn't help anyone in an open market.

[–]lusciouslou -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Don't allow the public announcement of scammers. You can update the scammer list. When someone creates a thread about a suspected scammer, the folks in that thread becomes a mob. That suspect becomes ostracized. Once you allow for people to publicly shame others so easily, the system isn't working as it should.

Advocate intelligence. I've been scammed on other games plenty of times. My response is always the same, "Wow, I was stupid for falling for that." In most online video games the scammers never get punished. They don't get punished because unless they admit to it, there is never enough indisputable proof. Without a way to track it on the back-end, there is no way to absolutely prove it. I'm sure most of the people who are accused of being scammers are scammers, but "proof" can be fabricated. On steam I could change my name to anything to frame a person. Very easily in fact, considering steam allows you to change your name whenever you want, to whatever you want. You can even change your name to one that's already taken,

[–]chrisychris-/id/chrisychris_ -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You want us to choose whose guilty and innocent, and then you say there's never indisputable proof? Isn't that a bit contradictory?

[–]lusciouslou -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're right, the scammer list might also have to go. I will admit I was just trying to appease people who want some kind of retribution for those that want the list. Trying to make everyone happy as it were.

I'll correct myself. I don't want you choose who is guilty or innocent. I don't think it's your place to do so. You don't, and can't, posses that power. I also don't think it should be some random person who wants to make a public claim against another.

Whether it's truth or not, this sub shouldn't be a place to accuse others of anything.

Unless you want it to be, but you have to be okay with the potential for abuses that comes with it. Again there is a reason that in developed nations there is the assumption that a suspect is innocent until proven guilty. Not guilty because one person claimed them to be.

[–]thechoocher -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea I have seen these mods giving random posters a hard time due to other random poster making baseless accusations. Yet they can't smell the shit under their noses because their time is wasted investigating "price manipulating" LOL and the all important "he insulted me". Way to drop the ball team!! Bravo!

[–]igmarn -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

That's the price you pay for being so trusting

No, people shouldn't be scammers. They need to pay a price. Why would the "nice" and "goodhearted" people need to pay a price while the most cancerous people get protected by people like you? You AND the scammer are literally the cancer of the world

[–]lusciouslou 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

The mods warned people that he was not supported, and not an approved middle man.

A man is standing at the edge of the grand canyon promising that if you jump there will be a net there. The park authorities tell you that this guy is not affiliated with the canyon, and they have no idea who he is. Do you jump trusting the man? Or would you avoid him?

I 100% agree that people shouldn't be scammers, but when people refuse to use their common sense, there will always be scammers. It's up to you to be smart enough to not fall for their tricks, especially one so stupid.

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    [–]lusciouslou 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Both parties are at fault. Also death threats, and insults are never the best way to argue with someone......

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      [–]txijakeTeamXiled 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      old lady with a bag: someone asks if she needs help and she hands her bag over, and the person runs away with the bag. Its stealing and there is really no blame on the victim. Its horrible people being horrible to nice people that don't deserve it.

      How is that different? The lady did something she was not forced to do, and trusted someone they had no reason to trust. People shouldn't scam and people shouldn't fool so easy. The people who got scammed need to take some responsibility for what happened.

      [–]lusciouslou 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Your example isn't even that different. Add that the old woman was told before that this guy is a unknown to security, and in no way affiliated with the park she is standing in.