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[–]2hunna-LGB eSports Fan 231 ポイント232 ポイント  (7子コメント)

You can really tell this is actually somewhat affecting Dazed because he can't even use his normal voice.

[–]cantgetenoughsushi 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (6子コメント)

dazed is pretty good friends with many of the players in NA, he's known them for years at this point

[–]rustyjame5LGB eSports Fan 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (3子コメント)

meanwhile shahzam is trying to befriend dazed

and yes i checked they werent friends on steam while i was typing this.

dont get surprised if he starts to talk super nice after this regi guy tomorrow(assuming that dude is loaded) :>

[–]Nazimods2 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They were friends before the friggin skin throws thing. Didn't you watch old daze money 5 mans?

[–]csgothefuckaway 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol...shahzam is such a shitter. Burns every bridge and it's like hes surprised when he has no bridges left.

[–]bebewow 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not only that really. Dazed now is an analyst/caster for ESL so it actually directly affects him.

[–]dolph3kCloud9 Fan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He also played with Sean for a while. I'm pretty sure he also has a ton of respect for his igl abilities.

[–]MiT_EponaiBUYPOWER Fan 333 ポイント334 ポイント  (95子コメント)

[–]arcaneheheTeam Astralis Fan 221 ポイント222 ポイント  (45子コメント)

I guess that's the bright side of not being on a team, you can just say whatever the fuck you want lol

[–]cantgetenoughsushi 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (10子コメント)

also because he won't be competing anymore indefinitely :/.. dazed and steel can just say whatever the fuck they want lol

[–]Hacker_nsndCloud9 Fan 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Also they got banned dazed and steel can just say whatever the fuck they want

[–]okp11 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (6子コメント)

On top of that he's not even on a team because he's banned which means he can't even compete

[–]bebewow 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (4子コメント)

And they can say whatever the fuck they want!

[–]spicyyburritosGuardian 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It helps in this situation because dazed and steel know there wont be any repercussions because they threw an online game for skins which resulted in their indefinite ban from competition

[–]PortalfieldG2 Esports Fan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

so therefore they can just say whatever the fuck they want lol

[–]shubh432 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

no dazed works for esl..the party which is most affected.

[–]Derkle 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (32子コメント)

Unless twitch decides to ban him for something he says on stream, then he's fucked

[–]thel0stking 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Agreed. Compared to Regi, dazed is a no body. He might get burned.

[–]Wadd1eKinguin Fan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah but DaZeD has a hairline though

[–]patrickt1010 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

yeahhhhhh after that gross gore with rito krepo stuff you can never be too careful.

[–]hybrid3214 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That wasn't the only reason he was banned. He basically committed domestic assault on stream.... There were many other incidents besides the Krepo one for him to get banned.

[–]ChurchillDownzTeam Liquid Fan 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Dazed bringing up the real issues.

[–]Lupin123iBUYPOWER Fan 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Doesn't matter what Regi looks like when he can still continue to smash Leena lmfao

[–]TheTokyoDeathWatchVirtus.Pro Fan 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

One of the benefits of being a millionaire is that girls don't care about how you look.

[–]Lupin123iBUYPOWER Fan 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

She's been dating Regi before he started TSM so it's definitely not about money

[–]bebewow 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember when he was still a player they streamed duoing sometimes and she told she started liking him when they were out and instead of trying something fancy he just bought her a hotdog.

[–]csgothefuckaway 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

wtf I would 100% trade my eyebrows to be in his situation

[–]csgo_boVirtus.Pro Fan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

you mean she smashes him... look at that face

[–]appropriate_name 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (3子コメント)

dazed has a 6head and hes mocking regi lmao

[–]ppham1027Team SoloMid Fan 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Because truly, insulting someone's looks is the best way to prove that you're a smart and responsible adult.

[–]MiT_EponaiBUYPOWER Fan 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

calm and collected.

[–]MrUnwrittinOpTic Gaming Fan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey dad don't ban me.

[–]dbotiRenegades Fan 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who says he is trying to show he is smart and responsible with this tweet?

[–]KiRKO_exeCloud9 Fan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

For real, hes trying to get he twitter spotlight on this, possibly more people see the bullshit happening

[–]OMAGAWD741862 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

*looks at flair*

LUL

[–]ppham1027Team SoloMid Fan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even if I had a different flair or if this was about a different owner/player my stance wouldn't change on this?

[–]FlintiakBravo 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like Dazed but when he gets upset he can quickly become an obnoxious 8 year old.

[–]itscrizzy 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Member folks, nothing to lose.

[–]d3xxxt0rG2 Esports Fan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

member of what

[–]ThatDistantStar5 Year Subreddit Veteran 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh what a nuanced and intelligent addition to a very serious conversation. DaZeD is a brilliant player but has the maturity of a 10 year old.

[–]SublimeSCVeryGames Fan 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Dazed of all people making fun of others people hairline.

[–]RoseL123OpTic Gaming Fan 94 ポイント95 ポイント  (10子コメント)

dazed is one sexy ass motherfucker don't play

[–]legacy416Virtus.Pro Fan 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Idk man his face has been looking a little chubby lately

[–]deObb 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (7子コメント)

yeah but his hair looks fucking awful from the back.

[–]iBPIDFiBUYPOWER Fan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

also he's jewish isn't he? he's almost a lock to be bald

[–]Smok3dSalmonCloud9 Fan 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

damn, that shit took his eyebrows.

[–]kub3riBUYPOWER Fan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My man Dazed...too fucking Savage. He has a family for gods sake LOL

[–]csgothefuckaway 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

wtf where are his eyebrows?!?

[–]mature16yrold 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ayy it's leafyishere back at it again with the hairline "roasts"

[–]n1ckst4r02400k Hype [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He is defending his bae Sean. Can you blame him?

[–]CLTY_Formatz 127 ポイント128 ポイント  (74子コメント)

This, plus I don't understand why sean is being singled out here. Just because he's new? Shouldn't orgs treat all of their players equally?

edit: more is explained in this post now. https://c0.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/5jv2sz/reginald_on_why_sean_is_getting_removed/?st=ix1at9jr&sh=142e89d6

[–]X_terminationInferno Veteran 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (51子コメント)

From what I've gathered in the texts, I think it's because Sean was the one who went to other TSM members and tried to convince them. That's what I took away from it, so Reginald decided that Sean would be the person to blame for the team signing the petition.

(Please do correct me if I took the conversation incorrectly, I'll look for the quote that made me think that)

EDIT: Here is what I was referring to in Sean going to other players, it's is the bottom text. I doubt Sean got other players to just sign it without looking at it like Reginald said, but it at least makes it sound like Sean convinced the others.

EDIT 2: Just grammar/missing words, I swear I make edits for this stuff way too often.

[–]imatclassrnOpTic Gaming Fan 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (26子コメント)

Sean made it clear that the other players went to Scoots before he even joined. You're reaching a bit far here.

[–]cuentuliAstralis Fan 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (16子コメント)

that's ridiculous, its not like sean put a gun in his teammates head and told them to sign the letter ffs

[–]X_terminationInferno Veteran 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (15子コメント)

I agree, it's absolutely idiotic. Even if Sean was the one who told other TSM players about the Players Rights letter, the team members made their decisions, and Sean shouldn't be blamed for informing them of what other players were doing.

[–]Zerothian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (14子コメント)

All of them are idiots for not even bothering to talk to their own Org before doing all this shit though, especially since Regi made it quite clear they would be willing to do everything the Players wanted.

[–]Kishin2 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Seemed pretty clear from the open letter that all the Orgs were already contacted about what the Players wanted, multiple times.

[–]Zerothian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

And in the texts between Andy and Sean it is stated that Andy got absolutely no communication what so ever, Sean didn't refute that either, so it's not like it's a lie.

[–]Kishin2 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (4子コメント)

No, in the texts Andy said he wasn't contacted directly by his players. Sean's second text was, "We just chose Scott really early on to deal with the talks as a voice for all the players, and and we let all you guys know." Regi's pissed because the open letter paints him and his org negatively. Whether the open letter painting the Team Orgs in a negative light is justified or not is the question.

[–]lookitsgordo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Regi is absolutely full of shit. Not only that, that's not how it works with these situations. The players are trying to take their union seriously, therefore the org should solely be going through their reps and not individual players.

[–]JBert97OpTic Gaming Fan 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well first off, I'm willing to bet that Reginald gave the original speech to his whole team individually and Sean was the only one that decided to talk back to him and try to have a discussion. I would guess that the rest of the roster just rolled over and gave up as soon as they felt their spot not the team was threatened

[–]n1ckst4r02400k Hype [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He is connected and directly involved with the association, so he felt the heat of being publicly rekt.

[–]TeamRocketBettingOpTic Gaming Fan 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah I think that's what was going on as well. Regi could feel his grasp over the team slipping so he took authoritive action. Which btw was a very very very shitty decisions. Like for real, I feel like every owner that's about to make a controversial decision should consult with Richard Lewis or Scoots. Those guys truly know what the community and the game needs.

[–]LukissCloud9 Fan 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Absolutely, this is about control. He basically sees Sean as the guy who got everyone to unionize, and he's trying to show everyone what's up.

[–]penaltylvl [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I really don't think its bc of authority he did it lol.

[–]JakobTheOneCloud9 G2A Fan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Sean isn't being singled out. HE asked to leave the org; Regi just agreed to it. If you reread the transcripts, you can see just that in Sean's last text.

We also don't know what kind of talks Regi has had with his other players, if he has had them.

[–]Greenhoundmousesports Fan 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (4子コメント)

regi implicitly threatened to kick him first

[–]n1ckst4r02400k Hype [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Basically he threatened to kick him and Sean just said " im out its fine ".

[–]LudachrizNinjas in Pyjamas Fan 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (9子コメント)

If my boss told me he'd be happy to lay me off and and gave me ultimatums that had my job on the line I wouldn't feel very welcomed or inclined to continue working for him, Sean did the only reasonable thing taking Regi up on his suggestion to leave.

Also he was singled out because he's new and because he supposedly talked to the rest of the team (makes sense since he's a veteran and looked up to by a majority of players)

[–]GuttersnipeTVOffice Veteran 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thats what happened at the end. Sean didn't just say "ok im leaving" without some sort of preface context.

[–]rdee3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In Regi's own words: "Why I am removing Sean..."

[–]BitcoinBoo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

sean is a good looking kid with a dream job to most of the trolls on here. Why do you think they would jump at the chance to kick him while they perceive a vulnerability. The only thing i've learned for certain during my time playing CS is that a large part of the people are absolutely trash humans. I get to hear so much bigotry and negativity from kids all day long. YOu start to wonder what else they gravitate towards. What else they tweet, post, text, etc.

[–]supremecrowbarGuardian Elite 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

what, almost everyone likes Sean nobody goes out of their way to fuck with him you take this shit to the extremes

[–]benoderpityCache Veteran 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (0子コメント)

OP butchering the word "roast".

[–]getgoodgetlmaoboxLuminosity Gaming Fan 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

this isnt a roast

[–]Chotothegoth 85 ポイント86 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Reginald didn't talk to him first when he signed them up for pea

sean joined tsm like a week ago, pea was formed like half a year ago.

[–]TheDiksterCloud9 Fan 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yes, but this whole dropping out of ESL thing happened after Sean signed on.

[–]GiveMeDog 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It started on December 7th when SirScoots and the players sent a request for clarification on the EPL thing to PEA. Sean officially signed on December 16th.

[–]oboe_mafia 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah but TSM isn't even in ESL, right?

[–]pedrohnjSK Gaming Fan 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

they're probably qualifying

[–]dogryan100GODSENT Fan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They still have to play relegation so it's a maybe.

[–]Brian2one0 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They didn't talk to any of those players who signed the letter about it.

[–]dishayu 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also, Reginald is the fucking boss. He CAN take decisions about his team/company on his own accord (unless it says otherwise in Player contracts). Whereas most (if not every) player contract explicitly has text about players doing everything possible to not tarnish the team's public image.

I know it sounds harsh, but the world isn't rainbows and unicorns. Just the realities of a real-world business. Should the team owners have asked the players first? Yes. That would morally be the right thing to do. But they are not obligated to, unless it explicitly states in the contracts (which it doesn't, as far as I understand).

[–]FREEDYRUSGODSENT Fan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

okay, but from the start until very recently the PEA and team owners were denying everything that had to do with exclusivity.

RL said in his most recent video that things change very drastically from week to week with a lot of things he writes about. to quote what the PEA commissioner said to a group of players taken from the open letter: "things change".

[–]zennCSGOCounter Logic Gaming Fan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah was going to say this. I am on Sean's side but this is factually incorrect.

[–]KlueyTeam Liquid Fan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did he talk to the active TSM players at the time?

[–]BadAstronaut19 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (0子コメント)

this... The issue is that the orgs did not communicate with the players and made this decision without talking to them. It is not necessarily the league as much as the lack of representation.

[–]ididntknowwhattodoGambit Gaming Fan 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (10子コメント)

oooooooo boi, this is some good drama

best drama since gambling scandal

[–]Udonis- 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Nah, it's not there yet. Once a whole team gets dropped, then it'll be that big.

But that probably won't happen.

[–]AShiftInOrbitOpTic Gaming Fan 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Would not be surprised to see TSM dropped/quit (if possible) and go to DIG or something.

[–]Udonis- 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

If NA doesn't do so well at the majors (who am I kidding, if Liquid doesn't do well at the majors) the region is gonna be a damn mess. Dropping the Danish team couldn't have come at a better time.

[–]AShiftInOrbitOpTic Gaming Fan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hey, Optic definitely has a good chance. I hope so at least since I'm bandwagoning on over to Optic since I was/am a TSM fan and will be if they get a new org.

[–]Udonis- 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

My comment was worded poorly.

I'm assuming Optic will perform well, while Liquid is a much bigger question mark. Also, if Liquid don't perform, someone is on the chopping block. Possibly even Hiko, which would cause huge drama in the scene.

[–]AShiftInOrbitOpTic Gaming Fan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oooh okay, Yeah I agree completely.

[–]Darkling5499 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

yeah, when you're under contract, you can't really quit with no repercussions lol.

[–]AShiftInOrbitOpTic Gaming Fan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well yeah, that isn't what I'm saying. I'm saying if they are able to negotiate with Andy to be released from their contracts. Clearly you can't just quit a fucking contract man... That's implied with the (if possible)

[–]Darkling5499 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

with reddit's general understanding of how things actually work, i couldn't be too sure : /

i've seen countless people saying that the TSM roster should just quit and move to another team, when if they tried the players would be sued into the ground.

[–]AShiftInOrbitOpTic Gaming Fan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All good, I understand where you are coming from.

[–]Ajp_iiiOpTic Gaming Fan 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

dazedSmart

[–]SirBiffles 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But I mean, the org owner decides the path the team takes, it's pretty much up to the players to decide whether or not they want to be signed by that org.

edit: Okay so PEA was just unveiled as a shit show, regardless you don't just decide to throw the org under the bus. Regi was even willing to resign from PEA if he was just involved in the decision making.

but yeah, Sean is always right

[–]DamagePoint 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

"He didn't even talk to the players first about dropping out of ESL" but they weren't even in ESL yet?

The recurring theme in this issue a lack of communication between players and orgs.

Texts between Sean and Regi indicate Regi did not know his team did not want to participate in PEA. Community seems to think Regi must have known and did it against their will. We see that the communication between Regi and the team is poor from the texts between Regi and Sean, is it unreasonable to think the Head of a multiplatform Esports team isn't aware of the player's stance on the PEA when evidence supplied by Sean himself shows they did not talk to him about the matter?

Sean states EXPLICITLY that his actions were not a reflection of Reginald or the org but in the cause of player rights. While that is fine for his cause, it also brings collateral damage to TSM whether implicit or not. Reginald's reaction is not in any way unreasonable.

[–]wannabelikeme5 Year Subreddit Veteran 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Youtube Mirror, credit to twitch.tv/godazed and OP.


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[–]NoFluffLoL 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (19子コメント)

"Reginald didn't talk to him first so why would Sean talk to him first"

The old second wrong is right logic. Funny how this is considered a "roast".

[–]CatAssassinOpTic Gaming Fan 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Regi isn't in the wrong because its his company and the players play for his company. This is no different than what other companies out of esports may do. Low tier employees don't get say in what uppers do for the benefit of the company. People throughout this thread have no clue how the real world works and are in for a rude awakening if they think Regi is in any wrong right now.

E: You salty ass children can downvote me all you want but this is how the real world works. All owners look at the companies benefit.

[–]KungFuPuff 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

No man, the San Diego chargers totally have to get their players approval before moving to L.A. Totallllly.

[–]jimmypalmOpTic Gaming Fan 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If the Chargers tried to cut a substantial portion of their player's earnings, the NFLPA would have a fucking field day. It's why they have a union. The players literally do this in the NFL with collective bargaining, and it's why strikes in sports happen.

[–]imunbounddTeam Liquid Fan 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't think players are "low-tier employees". That analogy doesn't really fit, considering you'd be comparing McDonalds cashiers to professional players of an organization. Compare it to a sports team.

[–]stale2000 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And if the owner treats their employees poorly, then those employees leave, and the company gets fucked.

Orgs don't matter in Esports. What matters is the players. Without the players, Orgs don't mean shit.

Players are the one's with the power. And the orgs better shut up, or find out what happens when the players band together to fight back. The orgs will lose, to the tune of millions of dollars.

[–]ohhFoNiX3DMAX Fan 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (22子コメント)

he makes some good points here

[–]MyIdwasTaken 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (20子コメント)

He doesn't. Sean joined well after the pea was established. Sean wasn't part of the organization at the time so it would be impossible to ask him.

[–]hazedlolCLG Hazed 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (12子コメント)

The timeline of Sean's arrival within the team actually doesnt matter. No player on any team involved with the PEA was informed directly from an org owner regarding the dropping of ESL. This was done in secret behind our backs.

[–]AHackFraudRenegades Fan 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

They decided to leave EPL after sgares joined the team

[–]TomC588 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

They aren't even in EPL.

[–]NalviatorFnatic Fanatic 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because qualifying doesnt exist?

[–]craftsparrow 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're playing in the qualifier. It's still a huge issue even if they weren't going to this year.

[–]n1ckst4r02400k Hype [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

EPL is a huge pricepool for most of these teams and of course a big part of the year. This is just abnoxious.

[–]KayGTeam Liquid Fan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

DaZed went McGregor there for a sec.

[–]Smok3dSalmonCloud9 Fan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why is he talking like a leprechaun at 21s?

[–]CiToXTeam Liquid Fan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Two wrongs don't make a right

[–]kawaionyFaZe Clan Fan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

thankyoubaseddazed

[–]Kylesname 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't follow CSGO closely so I could be wrong, but don't the players work for the org they sign to? In other words, Regi is Sean's boss, so shouldn't Sean do what his boss tells him to do?

[–]truthie 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man this is a shockingly lame generation of humans.

[–]TomSG5 Year Subreddit Veteran 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who gives a fuck what Dazed thinks.

[–]Alexkarino 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Regi signed TSM for PEA before Sean even joined.

[–]Lord7777Ninjas in Pyjamas Fan 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, but he didn't talk to the team about how they will be expected to drop out of the ESL Pro League.

[–]enkoteiG2 Esports Fan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course he thought that sean would be ok with the org dropping out of epl its in their contract that they can do that

[–]GoVorteXCloud9 Fan 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And he didn't think to mention it, even offhandedly, to the players?

"Oh, by the way you guys can't play in EPL."

[–]Forever0csgo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

The PEA deal probably took place before sean even joined tsm.

There is definitely something in players contract that could allow TSM to enforce their deal with PEA. If there wasnt then they would be able disregard the exclusivity of playing in PEA only and continue playing in EPL/other leagues. So essentially it would be ok for TSM to not talk to the players with this deal because its most likely is able to be enforce by details inside the players contract... so it would be unnecessary to talk to the players since this is a business deal and the players probably own zero stake in the business so it is overall unnecessary for them to discuss it with the players because the organization feels it for the better both for TSM and the players. (assuming thats how an organization would look at it).

The players are signed to play professional CS and represent the organzation. The business dealings within TSM doesn't really concern them.

If a corporation has all 40 hour a week employees and tomorrow they decide to reduce everyones hours to 38 because they can not afford 40 hours a week per employee anymore due to whatever statistical analysis they did, they dont need to talk to the employees first, they just implement it. The employees are essentially still full-time employees.. just not working a full 40 hours. The employees are there to represent the organization/business and do the job they were assigned/hired to do. They are not part of management or the people who hold stake in the business.

THIS IS PERFECTLY NORMAL AND RELEVANT WITH SHAREHOLDER THEORY.

So yes, its perfectly normal for people to think that. Maybe players should hire trained professionals to read and explain their contracts for them.

[–]bleak-outlookGodsent fan 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

All of what you just posted is incorrect. PEA masquerades itself as an association wherein players have a voice. Essentially, the players have realized that PEA does not allow them to have a voice, that their team owners essentially lied to them about what PEA is, and that they need to come together to do something about this.

The players are signed to play professional CS and represent the organzation. The business dealings within TSM doesn't really concern them.

This one definitely concerns them.

[–]lopqrstuv 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But you are assuming players are normal employees when are not. They are talent and should be paid and treated like it. It would like trying to talk about HR policies like discrimination and sexual harassment to NFL players. It does not apply them and there is no point in making the comparison.

[–]pzoDe 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If a corporation has all 40 hour a week employees and tomorrow they decide to reduce everyones hours to 38 because they can not afford 40 hours a week per employee anymore due to whatever statistical analysis they did, they dont need to talk to the employees first, they just implement it.

Not necessarily true. That depends on the contract. If the contract specifies particular hours of work then any changes by the employer must be agreed to by the relevant employee. Unless the contract specific allows for changes you cannot just change your employee's hours from 40 to 38 per week without their agreement.

[–]9dicksinurmouf 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i dont think dazed should be roasting regi when the only notable thing dazed has done for the esports scene was hurt the skin gambling scene by getting caught matchfixing LOL

the best part is this clip starts off with dazed saying something that's factually incorrect anyways. not sure what i expected from him though, at least his streams are entertaining.

[–]Davel66London Conspiracy Fan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

dazed is an esl employee

[–]SL_Y 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

NA roster shuffle into player owned teams?

[–]kyim19G2 Esports Fan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can someone explain what Sean did to tarnish TSM's image and what the controversy is? I wasn't following the PEA/EPL thing and now this drama is just making it more confusing.

[–]pantslessmaniacCloud9 Fan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

SirScoots wrote a letter on behalf of the players to start some kind of movement regarding player rights, which org owners think is giving the public the idea that the players have no rights within their organizations this tarnishing their brands I guess

[–]kapparrino5 Year Subreddit Veteran 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Welcome to CS:SO Reality Show edition. Where are the 24/7 cameras?

[–]MoveCountCloud9 Fan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

After the fiasco of iBP, Dazed has really mellowed out (somewhat) and I really respect him sticking up for the NA players and the allegations made against Sean or whoever else was victimized by this whole situation.

[–]mr-gusseNinjas in Pyjamas Fan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

In every company the employer makes the decisions, the employees follow these. These proplayers are employees, they have certain skills, just like a mechanic or carpenter.

And as employee you have to do what your employer tells you, you don't have the knowledge about what's best for the company, that's not what you are hired to do. If you don't like what the employer tells you to do, you are free to quit.

And I seriously dislike the fact that esports-personalities do their laundry on socialmedia

[–]SmoothLunchableNinjas in Pyjamas Fan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Man! It's almost as if players may or may not be contractually obligated to inform their OWNERS of decisions regarding the image of the business they WORK FOR. Man! It's also almost as if the OWNERS have no obligations to tell their EMPLOYEES of business decisions.

Now don't get me wrong. All of this could have been avoided if the team owners had talked to the players before and and figured out what they wanted to do. But that isn't the point. On a business level the players are not afforded the same rights as the fucking owners.

[–]TheNiceBiscuitLondon Conspiracy Fan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah and your retarted ass is banned. I wish dazed would just fuck off from csgo..

[–]blitzKriegzzzCloud9 Fan -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (24子コメント)

Because Reginald is the owner...and Sean is the employee .. it's not supposed to be an equal partnership.. the owner definitely has more power than the players..

People don't understand the real world lol

[–]jtuck25Cloud9 Fan 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (5子コメント)

You must be ignorant to the term "labor union" for contracted work.

[–]KungFuPuff 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What are they going to do? Strike? Come on now.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_IPv6SK Gaming Fan 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Counter Strike ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[–]ch4ppi 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

unions do not make both entities the same...

[–]DoctorZhil 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But they're not completely separate, either.

[–]Nickyboy116Cloud9 Fan 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

What are you talking about, without the players the owner is nothing same thing goes for businesses or employers. If you treat your employees like shit you get nowhere they quit, leave, and even sometimes shit on your companies image even more making you look even worse than you already do.

[–]ch4ppi 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What are you talking about, without the players the owner is nothing same thing goes for businesses or employers.

Well this is just not right, you can replace the employers, if they are not working FOR the org.

If you treat your employees like shit you get nowhere they quit, leave, and even sometimes shit on your companies image even more making you look even worse than you already do.

I don't think regi did anything that he shouldnt be doing as an owner

[–]pantslessmaniacCloud9 Fan 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

In this industry the owner means absolutely nothing without his employees. All his positive publicity comes from the popularity of his players.

[–]LenfaL 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All his positive publicity comes from the popularity of his players.

... that he pays to represent his brand.

Don't shit where you eat.

[–]GuttersnipeTVOffice Veteran 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And you must first understand the difference between master and slave. Because you own something doesnt give you the power to do whatever you want to your employees.

[–]redditmodsarefascistTeam Liquid Fan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

people with a brain realize e sports and real world jobs aren't a parallel at all and only a dweeb would compare the two. You guys sound like those fifty year old white guys who complain about NBA and NFL players not getting fired for the dumb shit they do.

[–]superstarshialebeouf 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

People ITT trying to compare their stacking shelves jobs to being a commodity/talent/asset is hilarious. There is absolutely no parallel. Just idiots going through mental gymnastics to empower orgs.

[–]twokings13 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (27子コメント)

They aren't equals, Regi is the boss and Sean is the employee.

[–]PoppyKSK Gaming Fan 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (7子コメント)

On a real world like people are saying, bosses cant do what they want with their employees because we have workers rights. And thats what players are fighting for, their rights.

[–]Hellion3601FaZe Clan Fan 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

exactly.

god I hate so much this sheep attitude "well he's the owner so he decides everything" fuck that, without the players this fucking orgs would not even exist

[–]kronkonk 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sean didn't "stand up" for anyone. He went behind his employers back without talking to him first and is now suffering the consequences. Regi didn't violate any players "rights". Sean was i the clearly in the wrong.

[–]PoppyKSK Gaming Fan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Regi agreed with PEA behind his players back also. All this shit could be friendly solved if the orgs talked about it to their players FIRST. Instead they just withdrew their teams from leagues without the players concensus.

I see what you are trying to say and honestly can understand Regi ''angryness'' on what happened. My problem with the TSM drama specifically is that Regi went over agressive out of nowhere and put Sean (and maybe the rest of the team) on a even more unconfortable situation for trying to fix a problem that he first started.

[–]bilnynazispy 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (8子コメント)

....right, and the players are currently trying to prevent their remaining power from being stripped away by those bosses.

[–]kronkonk 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Well. Maybe talking to your boss would be a good middleground. Instead of this shitshow.

[–]bilnynazispy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Assuming you read the letter, why you do place so much of the responsibility to communicate on the players when the organizations clearly tried to obscure their intentions along the way? When things like this are repeated to those players when the truth is the opposite, why should the players be expected to approach the owners first? That seems completely backwards to me. It is beyond convenient that Reginald became concerned with communication AFTER the letter was released to the public when it was clearly an issue long before that, an issue that he and his fellow organization owners tried to hide. Whether it's a shitshow or not the only leverage the players actually have right now is from the public.

[–]kronkonk 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

No one agreeing with Sean knows what it means to be an employee representing a brand and a bunch of their sponsors.

[–]JLBestLuminosity Gaming Fan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm guessing you have many years of that experience?

[–]CornGunCloud9 Fan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure they know more than Regi. TSM's brand is destroyed. Regi did 10x more to hurt it than Sean and the rest of TSM did with the PEA letter.