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My two cents (self.MGTOW)

Omichle が 投稿

I am a young, Canadian man, 21 years of age, and I found MGTOW around a year ago. I didn't think much of it then, classifying it as nothing more than counterproductive dribble against the wheel of progress. I believe I was "weaker" then than I am now.

For me, I think it all might have started when my entrepreneurship professor asked my class one question: "What is society's number one motivator?". Being the hopeful one that I was and remain today, I immediately thought: "can't it be love?" Doesn't that tend to motivate people to succeed in life above all other things? After many classmates offered up answers to this vexing question, some of which fell within the prof's hierarchical list (pure sex, avarice, faith and -- yes -- love were some offerings which were shot down in favour of the top dog), the final "number one" was finally unveiled. What was it?

Sexual desire.

To this day, my classmates laugh at that answer. I never did, and that was because I saw truth in it. It made me think. Living in this society is making it more and more apparent to me that, well, yes, people ARE motivated by that type of thing. They tend to want to impress their partner (or partner to-be), and they believe that they will be rewarded handsomely if they do. Much like Christianity in the older days, it makes society run in a somewhat stable manner.

But I don't think that such a drive is running (or will run) "society" anymore, at least as a whole. While I saw truth in what my professor said, I didn't (and don't) agree entirely. Why? I don't because as the population of this world "moves forward" and starts to become more educated, the majority of it will eventually realize that men and women are different from each other in a way that can't promote "true love" (the "fairy tale" relationship) without sacrificing a ton of different personal values and facets of identity. Men and women, in the eyes of evolution, are only meant to be together to reproduce. That's it. This whole monogamous/marriage society complex only exists to continue on that which should have ended with sex in my eyes.

So, I now view the whole relationship charade (ESPECIALLY the one that falls within my age bracket) as positively meaningless and an utter waste of time. I'd rather be myself than have to change what I am to accommodate for what I view as an (essentially) alien mind with different drives and personality tendencies. And all this doesn't even mention what society nowadays does in favour of women at the expense of men.

So yeah, I don't believe that actual, classical love exists. That which we call "love" is really only a hormone-charged illusion in my eyes. It's a biological trance that distracts and does not fulfill.

In case one of you asks, I'm not a virgin, but for all intents and purposes I view myself as one because my only experience with sex so far has been with an incredibly loose psychopath who played with my emotions. Moving forward, celibacy (yes, celibacy) is an option I deeply consider on a daily basis because of what I've talked about here.

Feel free to post comments, questions, and even your own stories. I welcome different perspectives on this topic.

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[–]MyNeckHasABeard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Stopped reading at not a virgin

[–]raisins3142 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree that sexual desire is a strong motivator, probably as strong or stronger than personal gain (money). I won't quibble over which is strongest, it is enough to know it is very strong.

That means that I will not trust a woman with sexual exclusivity and put any emotions into maintaining it. The reason is that in our current climate, it is nearly guaranteed that they will betray you eventually.

It's like a store owner hiring teenagers and expecting some money to never get skimmed off the top after 10 years of business. It isn't a matter of if it will happen but when and how bad.

So, guy puts in cameras and accountability in his store because he doesn't trust his employees (he shouldn't, even before money is missing) and worries about it. This is analogous to mate guarding, checking up on a partner, and the dread one experiences when things happen that would suggest infidelity.

[–]DWShimoda [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

For me, I think it all might have started when my entrepreneurship professor asked my class one question: "What is society's number one motivator?"

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the final "number one" was finally unveiled. What was it?

Sexual desire.

Well, your professor was WRONG.

That MAY be the "biggest motivator" for many individuals within a society (aggregate collection of individuals), but it is NOT the prime motivator of that resulting "society."

The overriding motivation for a "society" -- or at least a healthy one -- is protection of & provision for its posterity. (The offspring -- children and grandchildren -- of the various adults comprising the society.)

And NO, that is not the same as "sexual desire" -- yes sexual copulation is a PART of it, but that is only the means, not the end -- the end goal (including the biological "sexual drive") is not merely the act, but rather the result; the purpose of the sexual act (the reason it evolved) is not the "pleasure" but the "reproduction" and the survival of the species (the genes themselves are "running" the proverbial show, defining the script, creating the roles, directing the actions, etc).

Ironically, one of the reasons that your professor is so mistaken (in addition to the fact that he was indoctrinated to believe & regurgitate a falsehood), and also one of the reasons that our society is so overwhelmingly obsessed with the sexual act -- is most probably because he has not actually achieved the "goal" (reproduction & fatherhood).

Say what? Yes, just "having sex" does not satiate the desire; successfully ACHIEVING reproduction (and then rearing the child) DOES.

Studies on testosterone levels* have shown that the hormonal/biological "libido drive" of men DOES decrease (and dramatically) after becoming a father** and other studies seem to indicate that it tapers off even further** as the children successfully age and/or the number of his children increases.

* See: http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/12/health/la-he-fathers-testosterone-20110910

** There is apparently a caveat, and that is the decrease is providing he is in regular & direct contact with his children, actively involved in parenting as their father, personally protecting, providing for them, instructing them, raising them, etc. -- Absent that contact (via divorce or other distancing; or even the death of the children, etc) and his testosterone level is likely to rise again, driving him to "take another go" so to speak.