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[–]HopeSandoval 445 ポイント446 ポイント  (59子コメント)

If you're wondering how Iran did it in 10 years: Iran's birth control policy sent birthrate tumbling

In the late 1980s, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, Iran's supreme leader, issued fatwas making birth control widely available and acceptable to conservative Muslims.

Until then, Khomeini had helped foster a baby boom to produce soldiers for the war against Iraq. After the war, he was persuaded that the economy could no longer support a rapidly growing population.

Under the new decrees, contraceptives could be obtained free at government clinics, including thousands of new rural health centers. Health workers promoted contraception as a way to leave more time between births and help reduce maternal and child mortality. Couples intending to marry were required to receive counseling in family planning.

The birthrate plunged, helping to usher in social changes, particularly in the role of women.

[–]JordanFarmarsEars 381 ポイント382 ポイント  (29子コメント)

Who would have thought that birth control and contraceptives would be so effective at keeping people from having children? Stroke of luck I guess.

[–]--ClownBaby-- 171 ポイント172 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Idk dude for some reason I think teaching fanatical abstinence will be even better.

[–]crashing_this_thread 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (10子コメント)

It's the only 100% effective method of birth control after all.

We need to keep people from masturbating as well. The thought of people masturbating makes me uncomfortable and I WILL NOT TOLERATE BEING UNCOMFORTABLE!

[–]beamoflaser 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (7子コメント)

The best way to stop people from masturbating is circumcision and corn flakes

[–]crashing_this_thread 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But will it stop me from thinking about people masturbating?

[–]LSDeater 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks, Mr. Kellogg!

[–]IamSamSamIam 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you proposing a new chastity belt initiative? The junk of both males and females will be locked up until marriage?

[–]crashing_this_thread 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Brilliant! We should have the technology by now.

It should also record when you get aroused and by what so that we can weed out the degenerates.

I hope to see a purithoritarian regime in our lifetime.

[–]teh1buck 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Wow, that's actually progressive as hell... good for them.

[–]Taughr 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Fun fact: Iran is the country with the 2nd most sex change surgeries!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexuality_in_Iran

[–]stevenette 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well, there is a reason for that, and it is not a good one.

[–]very_anti 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The Safra Project report further states that currently, it is not possible for presumed transsexual individuals to choose not to undergo surgery - if they are approved for sex reassignment, they are expected to undergo treatment immediately. Those who wish to remain "non-operative" (as well as those who cross-dress and/or identify as genderqueer) are considered their biological gender, and as such they are likely to face harassment as being homosexuals and subject to the same laws barring homosexual acts.

SO PROGRESSIVE

[–]crashing_this_thread 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, he did say fun fact and not progressive fact.

And it is fun if you like human death and suffering.

[–]girusatuku 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well that is because gay people are pressured or forces into getting sex assignment surgeries. You can't be gay if are the other sex. It is really just a super homophobic practice.

[–]Blazoran 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Trans girl here (just providing context for my opinions). As much as I'm very pro trans people getting the surgery they need, this isn't actually that much of a positive statistic. From what I've heard, many gay men feel pressured into taking this route due to the homophobic culture.

I've not actually heard this from any concrete sources though so don't take my word for it completely.

[–]Taughr 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah i just think it's interesting, i'm aware of the negative aspects of this

[–]Keithious 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yet gay rights are still shit somehow.

[–]apophis-pegasus 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

They arent really extremely related.

[–]Keithious 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think they are loosely related.

[–]apophis-pegasus 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

In terms of the fact that they are minorities in terms of gender and sexuality, sure.

[–]Falsevalue 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Fun fact, Khomeini is one the pioneers to help spread the concept of extremist jihad via the concept of suicide vests.

[–]moffattron9000 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's always worth reminding people that even though we tend to view Iran as a part of a solid Islamic mass, the truth is that it's very much its own State with its own views (much like us). This in turn causes them to solve their issues in their own way, with varying degrees of success.

Likewise Indonesia, Pakistan, Bosnia, Qatar, and Morocco are all Muslim majority States, but they all have separate experiences that will make them see the world in wildly different ways.

[–]auser62727051 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Until then, Khomeini had helped foster a baby boom to produce soldiers for the war against Iraq. After the war, he was persuaded that the economy could no longer support a rapidly growing population.

It's almost like it's just people deciding the rules and not some supreme being.

[–]Goofy117 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And now the US wants to take all that stuff away from women... 35 years AFTER it was all made freely available in fucking Iran.

What horrific irony.

[–]spriddler 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We want to take it away so bad we just made it free!

[–]hastagelf 317 ポイント318 ポイント  (31子コメント)

As a young Bangladeshi, the change is so incredibly apparent in this nation.

I have 1 other sibling, my parents both had 7+ siblings.

It's strange how much birth rates can decline in just in one generation.

[–]Anthro_Fascist 102 ポイント103 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I've had the same experience with my Vietnamese parents. I can barely count on my fingers how many aunt/uncles I have, yet have only a sister.

[–]10987654321blastoff 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Indian neighbor here, Dad had 8 siblings, Mom had 3.

I'm the only child in my family.

I have 2 first cousins on my Moms side, and around 7 cousins on my Dads side.

[–]Tripleberst 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

American here, mom had 4 siblings. Step-dad had 10 siblings. Real dad had so many siblings that his parents abandoned him and several others.

[–]winvsking 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Vietnamese bro here, both my parents have 8 siblings and now having 3 kids is a taboo

[–]Mudsnail 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Its still apparent in America.

My mom has 6 brothers and sisters, my dad has 5.

I have 1 sister.

My fiancé and I have agreed to not have children of our own.

[–]guillelon 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its the same for me in Venezuela, my dad have 7 siblings, my mom 5. I only have 2.

[–]ArghBlarghen 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As in Indonesia, I have two siblings. Mom has three. Grandmother has twelve.

[–]moffattron9000 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hell, I'm in New Zealand, and both of my parents came from families of four. I have one sister. Meanwhile, nearly all of my aunts and uncles have two kids, except for the one with three, and the one with five (which seems insane).

[–]Sensitive_nob 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My mother was born in '55 in Germany where we had a population boom, she had 8 siblings me and my brother are also just 2. You can see this everywhere.

Also Hans Rolsing talked about this topic already years ago.

[–]Keithious 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Same in Canada. My Grandma had 12 siblings on the farm. I have 1.

[–]Lobachevskiy 561 ポイント562 ポイント  (141子コメント)

I expected this video to be a lot more grim. Instead I got educated and reassured.

[–]mbay16 165 ポイント166 ポイント  (113子コメント)

Not sure why this is always a popular opinion. The channel just explains facts as we know them. Kurzgesagt only recently started putting a subjective spin on their vids, and it tends to be an optimistic spin.

[–]bozzywayne 140 ポイント141 ポイント  (8子コメント)

He still backs up his points though

[–]Halogaland 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"He", as if Kurzgesagt is just one dude, as opposed to a team of highly skilled researchers and animators.

[–]PhysicsIsMyMistress [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

People tend to associate the channel with the voice of the speaker.

[–]cookieman1 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (69子コメント)

It is odd that so many people claim overpopulation is a huge issue and we need to move to Mars ASAP. It's good to have a nice video to show them and prove them wrong.

[–]Joeco0l_ 122 ポイント123 ポイント  (47子コメント)

I don't think the reason to go to Mars is overpopulation, but protection from the danger of something like an asteroid hitting the earth. Having a civilization on Mars would create a backup humanity Incase the one on earth has problems.

[–]cookieman1 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I agree, it's just what a couple of people have suggested to me to 'solve' overpopulation. I think some of us moving to Mars and starting up a second civilisation would be a great feat and is something I hope to see one day.

[–]Joeco0l_ 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yeah, just think about the logistics of moving millions if not a billion people over to mars. That would cost an unimaginable amount of money! I use this reasoning for the people who believe the colonization of Mars is for overpopulation.

[–]Jiggerjuice 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Space Elevator will make it cheap. Burning 10,000 tons of rocket fuel for every 1000 pound package is what makes it expensive.

High upfront cost though.

[–]BojackToddman 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Even using a space elevator you would need 55 MJ of energy per kilo. That's alot of energy even assuming for future technology like fusion.

[–]giantsfan97 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

My reason for wanting to go to Mars is because that would be fucking baller

[–]Nickpg501 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Samesies. Saving humanity is nice and all, but when I really think about why I want Mars colonized I just think it would really bad ass.

[–]CaptainNoBoat 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (25子コメント)

I'm all for the advancement of technology, and space exploration, but.. Any hopes of Mars being a 'saving grace' for Earth is nothing more than sci-fi pipe dreams. Logistics aside (which are not even feasible) Mars will never be a better option than Earth. Simply compare the two:

Earth is a planet with perfect temperatures, water, resilient, magnetically and geologically active. It has a biosphere crafted through ~2 billion years of evolution. We are, in every sense, the result of that craftwork - suited to live in this environment.

Earth would literally have to be slathered in radioactive waste and a vast, dead desert with 200 degree temperature swings for thousands of years for it to be a worse candidate than Mars. We'd be better off trying to live underground or underwater in some cataclysmic atmosphere-ending event than trying to relocate 100 million miles to cold, desolate rock.

So when people suggest that Mars would, in some way, "save" humanity, I can't help but scratch my head.

[–]Jaksuhn 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (22子コメント)

You're looking at it wrong.

First, there's a one main reason people say mars: it's really close.
Secondly, no one is saying mars is anywhere close to earth. It would need biospheres and terraforming to be habitable and liveable.
Third, it's a "saving grace" because if something happens to earth, like an asteroid (something out of our control) or enough rising temperatures (generally within our control), there would be other humans alive somewhere else to continue what we started.

Unless space tech improves drastically, it will be very hard to get to other earth like planets since they are so far away (unless we do something like life-ships).

[–]BojackToddman 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

By the time we can can build a true self sustaining colony on Mars that won't suck up billions of dollars of constant aid and maintenance every year and truly be a back up plan for humanity, we would be so advanced that nothing natural will be able to wipe us out.

[–]CourageousKoala 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't see how that logically follows. We can't stop a sudden gamma ray burst, no matter how rich we are.

[–]BojackToddman 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

A gamma ray burst will only fuck up the biosphere. We can survive in our millions in bunkers with advance warning and wait for the biosphere to heal or aid in it's healing.

For a Mars colony it's the same, but now you got maybe a few thousand people, no biosphere at all, no natural drinkable water, no natural air and suddenly no aid from earth. And you got to survive thousands of years without resupply or aid when a single malfunction of a critical system will result in the entire colony dying.

Anyway, after we manage to terrform Mars and build a truly self sustainable colony there, a gamma ray burst will fuck up the new much more fragile atmosphere and biosphere much harder then it will earth. And a gamma ray burst isn't a sniper round, if it hits earth, it's going to hit Mars too.

My point is that unless you invest hundreds of trillions over decades in a truly self sustainable Mars colony that can survive indefinitely without support from earth, any Mars colony will just wither away without constant support from earth. Any disaster that wipes out humanity on earth is going to doom even a highly efficient mars colony to a slow death over hundreds or even thousands of years.

And even if you do build a truly self sustainable Mars colony that can expand and survive forever without resupply or a major malfunction like say a massive plague, over say half a century and hundreds of trillions, by that time we'll have advanced to the point where no natural disaster can wipe us out. Asteroids? A space program capable of building that massive Mars colony is going to laugh at any asteroids. Only thing I can think of is nano-scale weapon or some kind of man made virus or gamma rays I guess, but that will fuck over a mars colony even harder then earth and you got a dead colony and decades and trillions of dollars down the drain.

[–]FlipskiZ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like you haven't fully though through how a mars colony would look like. We would not live out in the open like on earth, we would live in glass domes with self-contained biospheres that are unrelated to the outside. There is tons of water on mars and food is grown underground or in other domes. And the point is, if a meteor hit earth, or another catastrophe happen, it's very unlikely that there will happen another catastrophe on mars on a short enough timescale for humanity not to be able to recover.

[–]topgun169 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In terms of "saving humanity" I think Mars is more like backing up your data on an external hard drive, rather than transferring everything. It won't be easy but it is certainly doable.

[–]mightier_mouse 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's hard to say whether this video proves them wrong. So we might top out at 12 billion people? That's till 5 billion more than we have now. Climate change is going to cause starvation and mass migration. That problem is only going to be exacerbated by having more people.

[–]TranceRealistic 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't forget resource depletion. Once the oil is gone 6 bilion people are definitely gonna be to many people.

[–]magicsebi 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's only an issue in the sense that there are still billions of people eating, consuming, using objects and energy. Climate can be affected drastically even if the population is under a billion. But it's not just that - any issue that involves humans is directly proportional to the population - flora, fauna, agriculture, infrastructure, resources, accommodation, waste etc. In an ideal world, we could probably have 15 billion people on the planet, but it's much easier to sustain and manage if you have a lower population. Going to Mars isn't essential, but solving the problems of going to Mars could help in solving some problems we have on Earth (waste management, water filtration, growing crops efficiently etc).

[–]karatekyle 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It wasn't really that long ago that people suspected overpopulation would be a huge problem. Looking at the growth rates it was easy to extrapolate the data and see the potential for something like a Malthusian catastrophe. There were fears that population growth was so rapid it would lead to starvation, disease, and resource wars. This perspective was taught in schools and everything and while it turned out to be overblown, it was simply based on data projections available at the time. So I can't blame people for being so set on overpopulation as a problem when that idea was nearly everywhere for a while.

However, you are right that we now need to move away from those larger concerns of global overpopulation. Hopefully this video will help explain population dynamics in a way that alleviates fears of overpopulation. Our new concern will be keeping consumption rates in check because even a small number of people can deplete resources faster than they can be replaced if the are overconsuming. Several countries are even dealing with underpopulation and have sought ways to increase population growth in an effort to reduce their age-dependency ratio. So new time, new facts, new issues.

[–]Readvoter 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think it's useful to not see overpopulation as a problem. The world population will cap at 10-11 billion, let's just take that as a given. We have other problems, like climate change, and water shortages, and these are worsened by having a high population, but seeing high population as the cause is just backwards.

[–]NotABMWDriver 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

God knows we could use that. Pretty much everyone else puts a negative spin on things...

[–]Karjalan 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The funny thing is, this is one of the lowest voted Kurzgesagt videos, so as much as everyone complains about always getting an existential crises from them... it seems that's what they want.

[–]cookieman1 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's a popular opinion because the facts often are quite grim.

[–]Lespaul42 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Though I do think he (they... I guess) treat a lot of fairly shakey theories as cold hard fact sometime... I think this comment is more about the number of videos they have that tell us about all these cosmic things that can kill all of us at any moment and there is nothing we can do... so it was nice to have a change of pace saying "This thing you are worried about isn't really much of a worry"

[–]MatthieuG7 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Or there isn't a spin at all, because facts can be positive too.

[–]mbay16 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

So you think the message of this video was delivered with complete neutrality?

[–]Mentalseppuku 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This and the parasite one were both very positive, and I would imagine it has everything to do with the fact that they were made with the Bill and Malinda Gates Foundation.

[–]mashington14 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's also because whenever overpopulation is discussed on reddit, the general viewpoint is "everything is over we're all fucked omg we're gonna die miserable deaths drowned in the sea of billions of bodies." That's why it is really nice to see a level-headed take on the issue that isn't based solely in panic and incorrect understandings of how population growth works.

[–]spacemanspiiff 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Statistcs and data is a positive spin?

[–]pangolin44 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You can use stats and data to prove any point you want if you try hard enough!

[–]mdhe 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"The data will tell you what you want to hear if you torture it enough." is my favourite version of this because it emphasises that statistics are not inherently dishonest as many people seem to believe. It's the exact opposite in fact. They can just be abused and misrepresented out of context.

[–]mightier_mouse 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea, if you only consider it from his point of view, things look pretty rosy. But when you consider the effects of climate change are only going to be worse if we have more people on the planet, things don't look so rosy.

I'm not only referring to the fact that more humans will cause the rate of climate change to increase, but the fact that more humans means more suffering from climate change problems. Climate change, unless something changes, is going to cause famine and mass migration, these problems will be worse in magnitude if there are more people. So we don't really need to hit 12 billion people for overpopulation to be an issue.

[–]mbay16 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm talking about the tone of the writing and mood of the video. Not to mention that they don't necessarily have to end the video with a positive message about how everyone doing well will progress humanity. They always back up what they say, but they can definitely pick and choose what's emphasized.

[–]BuddhistSagan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

They emphasize whats relevant.

[–]mbay16 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

And what they want to communicate. If the obviously positive tone of that video doesn't come across to you, I don't know what else to say.

I'm not trying to paint them as misleading, I'm just pointing out that they are choosing to release a video with a nice message.

[–]BuddhistSagan 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because the relevant data is what you consider to be positive.

[–]MatthieuG7 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The video is obviously positive, but not because that's what they want to communicate, but because that's what the facts say. Not everything has to be cynical.

[–]mbay16 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Where is the cynicism? I think you have convinced yourself that I'm attacking Kurzgesagt, which I am not. I'm just saying that it was definitely a conscious decision by the creators of the channel to share positive videos recently. What's wrong with that?

[–]potatorunner 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you're interested, check out Hans Rosling. He has given a few talks about exactly this topic!

[–]21ST__Century 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Ye it's because it's an alternate reality where climate change, greed don't exist and the planet has unlimited resources with no consequences, oh and fuck animals. All this video does it makes people think everything is okay and there's nothing to worry about and everything will just get solved by it's self.

[–]Dawknight 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree... it's design to reassure when in reality, the world can't feed more than 10 billion humans and africa is expected to blow up big time.

[–]UrbanZenMonk 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ya, how dare it when every other individual, media outlet, etc. is demanding we see the future as nothing but apocalyptic.

What is with some people and the element of fear? Such an old way of achieving things, nothing new.

[–]joeycloud 182 ポイント183 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Next video in the year 12,017.

FML

[–]bonez656 115 ポイント116 ポイント  (20子コメント)

[–]nuentes 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm really scared of doing this, as it moves the heat death of the universe up 10K years, and I think future generations will curse our names.

[–]cookieman1 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (17子コメント)

I think he knew and wasn't genuinely thinking "Oh no, I have to wait quite a few years to the next video!"

[–]joeycloud 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Either ways, I'm hopeful CRISPR will advance enough within my lifetime to reverse aging, so I can live till 12017 in both year counting systems. Hopefully Kurzgesagt is still making videos then ;)

[–]secret759 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (11子コメント)

It's weird thinking about these "new" social media things like youtube and facebook, and that there is a decent chance they will be around hundreds of years from now.

[–]plsnsbra 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The same companies? Maybe. The same platforms? Hell no.

[–]moffattron9000 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why not? It's not like Google and Facebook are going to stop developing their platforms, and their respective platforms still work very well all things considered.

[–]TJtheApple 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

you really think so? Facebook is already tanking and turning into a spam hole, used only by older people. I think there will be newer and hopefully better sites in the future.

[–]copypaste_93 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What do people that leave facebook replace it with? I just use reddit and text.

[–]AnAngryFetus 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Google+

Yeah, I can't keep a straight face typing that.

[–]-taco 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why would they waste it on imperfects like us?

[–]wingmasterjon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You think if we were able to throw the switch on aging and disease, life wouldn't find a way of killing you through accidents, murder, or natural disaster in a 10000 year span?

[–]potatorunner 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (3子コメント)

There's a TED talk by Hans Rosling which covers this in more detail for those that are interested.

[–]SabashChandraBose 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This video speaks of population, yet does not address India and China (or Brazil). Those are the MVP.

Another thing: when countries go from the 1st stage to the 2nd stage there needs to be initiative. There is no reason developing countries like say Democratic Republic of Congo cannot eliminate poverty or diseases. They stay backwards because of corruption in the political system that favors status quo. That corruption was minimal or absent in many countries.

So there are many more such variables than this very upbeat sounding video talks about.

[–]AlphaKilo87 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

But that nasty looking hot dog the lady kept dumping out :|

[–]liketo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What WAS that stuff?

[–]MessyBurnette 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was probably fecal matter. Before appropriate sewage systems were put in place, and IF you lived in a big city (like London), people would just dump their excrement into the streets

[–]Vike92 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (45子コメント)

But why not mention Africa? (outside of barely mentioning South Africa) The African population is projected to reach 4 billion by the year 2100. Add to that the fact that global warming will strike the developing world the most and I just cannot see a future without mass migration.

[–]Max_OurWorldinData 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Africa is changing as well and is following the demographic transition.

Here is how the fertility rate in Africa changed over the last generation. Click on play on that map here: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/children-per-woman-UN?year=1990&region=Africa (or click on any country to see the change over time)

[–]Vike92 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (15子コメント)

I know it's evolving, but despite of this Africa will reach 4 billion people I'm afraid. How can all these be wellfed on a continent with ever growing deserts.

[–]spacemanspiiff 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Africa has 60% of the arable land in the world and will have 25% of the population. I fail to see an issue even with slightly expanding deserts.

[–]Zephyr104 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I believe he's talking about how Africa would deal with a booming population and global warming. All that arable land means nothing once it all dries up. This is a very real concern because all we have to look at is the middle east and we'd see how much global warming is fucking us over. Syria's had very intense droughts for around a decade now.

[–]spacemanspiiff 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (8子コメント)

You have to be a real pessimist to believe it all i s drying up. Even if half dried up they would still have 30% of the arable land and with increasing crop yields from GM etc, I remain an optimist

[–]Max_OurWorldinData 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Another aspect is technology. The gap between actual yields and potential yields – referred to as the yield gap – is large in most parts of Africa: http://www.fao.org/nr/gaez/about-data-portal/yield-and-production-gaps/en/

The negative perspective emphasizes that this contributes to the current poor food provision in many parts of the continent. The positive aspect is that this means that there is a lot of potential for improvement.

[–]FuriouFive 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not to mention the field of Hydroponics is growing by leaps and bounds; it is not cost effective right at the moment to move large scale food production to hydro, but the threshold is approaching rather quickly.

[–]ibopm 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

We are actually REALLY close to cost-effective vertical farming. New efficient LEDs and the continued research into vertical farming techniques is only going to make this more of a reality as time goes forward.

The vertical farming revolution is closer than a lot of people think. I've seen it with my own eyes.

[–]FuriouFive 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I really think that our grandchildren will think that it is weird that we grow things in the ground.

[–]Risar 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is a very real concern because all we have to look at is the middle east and we'd see how much global warming is fucking us over.

The middle east has been a desert for much longer than industrialization has been prominent. Yet as far as I know the people in the major countries in the area are not dying of famine.

Also consider that the US, China, Russia etc all have big cities situated in non-arable locations that are if not strictly dessert, pretty damned close.

The solution to these problems is robust infrastructure and logistics along with open trade. Consider this - if we can pick almonds in California and have them delivered to the Sudan less than 48 hours later, it doesnt really matter that the Sudan doesnt grow almonds.

We do not have a food shortage problem. Even with 10 billion people. We have a logistics problem, right now and in the future.

[–]karatekyle 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, even though global overpopulation fears were overblown there are still areas or regions of the world where population can strain resources. Coupled with poverty, ineffective or corrupt governments, and global climate change there is a potential for some localized disasters. I mean look at some of the past famines and droughts in Africa. The 2011 East Africa Drought is estimated to have killed, at minimum, tens of thousands of people and drove migration.

[–]Captain_Bromine 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think this video is just looking at overpopulation with all else being equal. Taking into account the effects of global warming in the next 100 years is a video on its own (and it definitely won't be a happy one).

[–]FuriouFive 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Birthrates can change very drastically in a generation. Look at the generation before the baby boomers; 5+ kids in each family. By the next generation the norm was 3 children per family, the following generation it is far more common to have 2(and 2 is population stagnation; nither plus nor minus).

Secondly we suck at predicting what is going to happen in Africa. 15 years ago it was 100% going to be an Aids wasteland by the year 2010; no wasteland there...

[–]qwspol 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They don't want to mention Africa because it's an enigma. Places like China, India and the rest of Asia will go through these changes but Africa should have already gone through these after colonialism. The infrastructure was there, but the local population went in a different direction. As you mentioned, Africa's population will explode and with that will come massive migrations. Europe's and the rest of the world cannot continue their immigration policies such as they are now, otherwise they face completely replacing their native populations (something already happening in many places in Europe.) The last point of the video I agree with, the best way to prevent these migrations is to help these countries out of poverty and on the track to development, the problem however lies in cultural and social issues there. We've thrown billions and it has had only very little impact. Instead of giving food to Africa we need to help them make their own food that sustains them.

[–]ivequeries 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Nobody seems to be playing devils advocate, so I'll throw in my two cents. As I see it, the real risk isn't that our population will continue to grow indefinitely (the video shows why this will very likely not be the case), rather it's that by the time our population finally does stabilize, humans will have already made much of the world uninhabitable through pollution, desertification, and ecological destruction. We are already in the midst of the largest mass extinction event since the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. Increasing climate instability seems unavoidable (at least to some degree, it remains to be seen how much more damage we will do). Humans may well survive and reach a stable and eventually declining population, but the world will be a very different place, and will almost certainly be less hospitable.

[–]AnaRelentless 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree. They just focused on overpopulation but not much about what happens to the world because of it and that's the real issue.

[–]SnipingSoldier 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (9子コメント)

We are already in the midst of the largest mass extinction event since the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs

I think you need to make the distinction that humans are the mass extinction this time. It would take another asteroid to destroy humans. We've pretty much guaranteed the survival of our species.

[–]ivequeries 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Right sorry, I thought that was implicit.

We've pretty much guaranteed the survival of our species.

As with any species, we're entirely reliant on a healthy ecosystem (i.e., a healthy earth) in order to survive. Our lives depend on other living things to support us. The simplest example is forests and algea, without them we wouldn't have breathable air.

[–]AnalEnthusiastic 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

we're entirely reliant on a healthy ecosystem (i.e., a healthy earth) in order to survive.

We are the ecosystem. Since the 1970's more than half of the whole planet's wildlife has died (according to WWF), yet our numbers exploded from 2.6 billion to 7 billion and we are living better than ever in history. Humans and our livestock (our food) make up over 95% of ALL the living animals above sea level.

The only remaining concrete link that we have to a wild ecosystem is the ocean...and we already make more than 50% of our seafood on our own.

Practically everything you have ever eaten was bred, farmed, raised, fed and cultivated by humans. Almost everything you eat doesn't even exist in the wild or its wild counterpart is barely even edible, it grows slow, it's small and it's not pest resistant.

We are so much bigger than nature already that nature could vanish in the next 40 years entirely and most of us would not even notice. Heck most of us didn't even notice that literally half of the planet died in the past 40 years.

How many of us have ever even been to nature? The last time I camped in the wilderness, drank from a lake and ate from the forest was 20 years ago and that was only for a week...and still I had canned soup with me.

[–]SnipingSoldier 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes thats true. However you cannot speak as if the ecosystem has a mind of its own.

Everything we need to survive can be cultivated and grown at our will and at our discretion. We are even on the cusp of creating these resources artificially.

Thats not say people wont die when the climate becomes shit. Lots of people will. But the species will be fine. It would take a supernova or a giant rock from space or a solar flare that kills the ozone to eradicate us.

[–]SavantButDeadly 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Okay, so developing countries will hit a stage where they are as advanced as us and their birth rates will decrease at that point. I can get that. Sure.

But the video said that the UN had estimated that balance to happen somewhere around 12 billion people on Earth? And what's the saying again? If everyone on Earth lived like an American, we would need 5 Earths? And that's for 7 billion. So we would need like 9 Earths for 12 billion american lifestyles then.

...I see no problem whatsoever with that.

Also, more people with access to stuff like antibiotics means that we will breed resistant bacteria faster than ever. Not to mention that we quickly need to produce more food to accomodate for all 12 billion, and much of Earths arable surface is already used up. There will be even more inhumane treatment and cramped conditions of livestock due to the increased demand. And so on and so forth.

The truth is that we're living in an experiment right now. We've never been in a situation like this, so everyone is taking guesses as to what will happen. But in my opinnion, unless we soon invent clean fusion power or a benevolent super AI that can rapidly advance our technology and capabilities, it's looking pretty bleak for both our species, other species and the planet in general.

[–]darthvalium 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wonder if the direct causal relation between standards of living and fertility isn't putting things a bit too simply. This 4 step demographics model assumes uniform 'progress' across cultures and societies.

While current observations seem to fit the model nicely, there may be political, cultural, and social factors it doesn't account for. The prognosis may turn out to be accurate, it could be way off, too.

Take the one-child policy in China for example. Political decisions can have a great impact on demographics. Not to mention social norms.

[–]mindasleepbodyawake 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Good stuff. For more information I recommend checking out stuff by Hans Rosling, especially these videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FACK2knC08E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVimVzgtD6w

[–]mdhe 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here's my favourite, straight to the point Hans Rosling video: Will saving poor children lead to overpopulation? to quickly debunk the absurd, inhumane myth that the "right" thing to do is to leave people to suffer and toil. He also does this cool visualisation.

[–]googolplexbyte 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Population Research Institute made some good videos, too.
https://youtu.be/KUY4ztwIVfA

[–]xvincexsugruex 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Kinda bummed about this video. I was really hoping it would touch on the impact 7 billion people on the earth has, with our current technologies and limited timeframe of slowing down human induced climate change. I think my concern with overpopulation isn't, "will it just continue to grow over time?" My concern is, "how many people is too many people?" And I think we've well passed that threshold with the way most people in developed countries live.

[–]AgentSmith27 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think 7 billion is clearly too many people...

[–]lahimatoa 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

So what do you recommend?

[–]AgentSmith27 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

There is no solution to already having 7 billion people. The only actual possible answer would be "removing" some people, but I don't think anyone is going to suggest that.

[–]Sungodatemychildren 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The art doesn't look as good in this video in my opinion, there's this more amateurish quality i can't really put my finger on

[–]scopa0304 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The art is definitely different. This video uses lines to define shapes and add detail, whereas previous videos only use blocks of colors. It doesn't have the blocky (yet rounded corners!) minimalism that we are used too.

[–]cucubabba 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Why is this posted 4 times?

[–]scudd 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everyone wanted that precious Karma and downvoted eachother. This ones first so it should be the one to get kept.

[–]cookieman1 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The more the merrier.

[–]Blaizeranger 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

So, eventually population will just kind of even out, apparently. What if (when?) we find some way around mortality? Surely then we're kinda screwed, population-wise?

[–]itsnickk 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

By that point, we would most definitely have elevated ourselves to a higher level of thinking. Whether that is a singularity, or a more dedicated purpose to explore the universe- sending out immortal humans to distant planets.

[–]caw81 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depends on what type of mortality we solve.

  • Death by "natural causes" like the body not able to fight off the flu still leaves other types of deaths like accidents and diseases.

  • Death of any type - still have people dying by suicide and the birth rate would naturally drop since there isn't need to rush to have a child, say have your first child at 1000 years old. You also are talking at such a large scale of time we would have the technology to solve any issues with population and resources (e.g. we would have either found another planet for more resources).

[–]anubis118 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah population will level out, but what happens when the work hours available falls off a cliff over the next 50 years due to automation? What happens if there are enough jobs for 5 billion people, but 11 billion people live on the planet?

[–]BlueberryPhi 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Charles Dickens wrote a line for Ebineezer Scrooge complaining about overpopulation in A Christmas Carol. People have been predicting doom from it for far longer than said doom was supposed to take to arrive.

[–]bloodtearssilenthill 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a nice video but it misses the point.

The concern isn't the population growth. The concern is the population stabilizing around 7 or 8 billion and that greater portion of that population consuming more.

As an example, imagine if I have a house and 4 people live in it. Then people keeping coming into my house throughout the week and now there are 700 people in my little house and then they stop coming. Well the population growth has stopped in my house, but there are still 700 extra people in it and those 700 people expect to be fed, clothed, have a car, have internet, etc. Those 700 demand the same quality of life that the original 4 inhabitants have. THAT is the concern.

It's great that the population is not growing and stabilized at 704 in my house, but the population growth isn't the real problem. It's feeding, clothing, supporting the extra 700 people.

That's the same problem with earth's population. Europe's population AND consumption boom the past 250 years wiped out 99% of all the flora, fauna, sea life on earth. China's population AND consumption boom the past 50 years wiped out the 99% of the remaining 1%. India's will do the same and most devastatingly, africa's boom will wipe out the massive herds and wildlife just like european expansion in americas wiped out the massive buffalo/bison herds, etc.

If the population stabilizes at 7 billion, we can somewhat manage if 6 billion would live a poor subsistence farming life where they consumed very little. But if the 6 billion wanted to live a life of luxury like the west ( and china has done so in the past 50 years ), then the environmental degradation will continue out of sheer demographic/economic fact.

Also, another issue is that our economic model is based entirely on continued population and consumption growth. This is why immigration/consumption is encouraged in the wealthy west. Our economy will collapse if the population/consumption doesn't increase. So if the world adopts our economic model ( which most of the has ), and the population stabilizes at 7 billion, then we will eventually have a world economic collapse as the population ages and the population pyramid inverts...

[–]uhdna 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

One thing that is interesting to consider when it comes to the rise in population is fertilizer. The Haber-Bosch process was developed by Carl Bosch & Fritz Haber to mass produce ammonia on an industrial scale back in the early 1900s. This resulted in more fertilizer for growing crops than would be naturally, and in turn more food to feed larger populations.

http://www.vaclavsmil.com/wp-content/uploads/docs/smil-article-1999-nature7.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Bosch

The Haber–Bosch Process today consumes more than one percent of humanity's energy production and is responsible for feeding roughly one-third of its population.[4] On average, one-half of the nitrogen in a human body comes from synthetically fixed sources, the product of a Haber–Bosch plant.

[–]pangolin44 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Does anyone know why people have less children when they have better life conditions? I'm assuming it's because of education?

[–]IgnisDomini 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It was stated in the video - the reason people had so many children in the first place is because so many of them would die before adulthood. When that stopped happening, people began to have fewer and fewer children.

[–]pangolin44 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Is that really why? I'm not having less kids because I don't fear them dying. I'm doing it because they're f'n expensive and I'm more career focus.

Do poor people in underdeveloped countries really have more babies because they know X amount of them are going to die? It seems like it happens more because of the lack of sex ed.

[–]IgnisDomini 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not a direct thing. It's why the cultural pressure to pump out so many babies exists, but people don't consciously think of that.

There's also the fact that, in agricultural occupations, children are useful as farmhands, but not in others, so that incentive disappears as the world moves away from agriculture as a primary source of jobs.

[–]pangolin44 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fair explanation. Cheers, have an upvote!

[–]Kmnder 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does the data take into account of Scientists Prolonging the life span of Humans though?

[–]De_tr0p 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Overpopulation isn't something that can be understood or explained "in a nut shell" A lot of the data they used to get to the stated outcome is circumstantial, and not at all caused by forces that are universal or static.

There are way to many environmental variables on a global scale that just effect general mortality that make the data unreliable, without even bringing into account the complex human element variables.

Bill and Melinda gates foundation... This is a propaganda piece.

[–]a-clever-fox 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't want to spoil it, but 12 billion still is 5 billion more than we have today, and we already experience first overpopulation problems.

[–]cookieman1 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (31子コメント)

I'm glad I now have a good video to show people overpopulation is not an issue. A surprising number of people claim it's the next big thing, while the statistics show the rate of population growth is slowing.

[–]CaptainNoBoat 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Overpopulation is not an issue if you don't believe resources, climate change, and degradation are issues, I guess.

It's not just some number, like - "if we go over 10 billion, we're fucked!" Our practices have put us in a lot of grim situations for the future, and our numbers have multiplied the effects, whatever they may be.

So I find it strange that people want to tell others that "overpopulation is not an issue." That's a very broad, vague statement.

This guy always does a great job with his videos, and population IS leveling off - which is great. But I don't exactly envision the same bubbly futuristic scene he portrays.

[–]untipoquenojuega 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (4子コメント)

So it's not population growth that is the issue then, it's the economic growth in the rest of the world and how that means these people will start using as many resources as the west already uses.

The thing is countries like India have already shown that this isn't a definite problem and that their can be quick development without huge rates of pollution.

[–]s-b 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's not just some number, like - "if we go over 10 billion, we're fucked!"

B...but a YouTube video said everything is going to be fine!

[–]UrbanZenMonk 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Overpopulation is not an issue if you don't believe resources, climate change, and degradation are issues, I guess.

Contrary to everything you hear, climate change is going to enable some of these resources to now be available currently not.

As well, carbon is what plants tend to enjoy, never mind carbon being called a pollutant when we breath the damn stuff out. This is called misleading information, and reality is we'll probably see long yields in crops as contrary to popular government funded belief, the whole world isn't going to turn into Venus.

Our practices have put us in a lot of grim situations for the future,

Sorry we can't invent the best practice first. Electricity fixed a lot of issues but it also inspired different ways to pollute, now, so should we rid of electricity? I despise how people make everything we do so grim and terrible when in reality, it was helping shit loads of people get out of things like poverty.

You know? That thing you and your mommy and daddy didn't experience? Majority used to farm for their food, majority used to be farmers, be glad you don't have to do that but fuck, it's all such a grim thing eh?

and our numbers have multiplied the effects, whatever they may be.

Speculation. Go take some economics courses.

So I find it strange that people want to tell others that "overpopulation is not an issue." That's a very broad, vague statement.

True. Much of what you've stated has been, as well. Climate change is such a "popular" issue when it comes to science. I open news papers, google news, infact which is a collection of news and media, and 1/3 to 1/2 of the time its climate science. The science section is limited to THAT science. It's rammed down everyone's throats as if poor people in India's number 1 concerned is breathing air versus fixing their slummy, shitty, economic conditions which would, indirectly, clean up their local environments.

But I don't exactly envision the same bubbly futuristic scene he portrays.

Ya, nor does any media outlet constantly talking about the forthcoming catastrophes (90% + American's dont trust media, think about that). Canadians are about to go broke because of carbon taxes but hey, least kids can breath clean air (taxes don't effect air quality) while they are taxed, broke, and have no food (and yes, this is 100% going to cost the Liberals the election forthcoming for that exact reason, energy versus food so there is proof in Ontario of how useless this is). But hey whatever, you and the state funded CBC in Canada, for example, have the same belief. I tend to not believe Governments but hey, I'm sure you've a score of amazing things they've done as a resume as to why you should believe them.

[–]TheAlbinoAmigo 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think its a stretch to say is potentially getting up to 12 billion people on Earth 'isnt an issue'.

It might not be apocalyptic, but that is still a great deal more food, energy, education, and infrastructure we have to manage, and that isn't going to be easy.

[–]Stereotype_Apostate 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Especially if capping that number involves raising living standards. If all 12 billion of those people live like Europeans, we'll be facing some serious resource consumption issues.

[–]Leorlev-Cleric 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Just goes to show how humanity tends to repeat itself. Not many know over the overpopulation fears that happened in the mid 1900's, like mentioned in the video.

[–]Greci01 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Malthus published his first edition of An Essay on the Principle of Population in 1798. Mind you that the world population was approximately 1 billion around 1800.

These worries are nothing new under the sun.

[–]Stereotype_Apostate 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And had technology not kept pace, Malthus would have been right.

[–]moffattron9000 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

And don't think that using that flawed research to excuse us from stopping a crisis is new either. Just look at the Potato Famine in Ireland for evidence of that.

[–]MaliciousLeviathan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not irish or even european so my mind might fail me, but if I remember correctly Ireland was still exporting potatoes all throughout the duration of the potato famine, and in great numbers I believe.

The potato famine had more to do with economic practices and corrupt government than overpopulation, right?

[–]Dawknight 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is what I was afraid of, and this is why it's a terrible video.

People like you will spread this on facebook and people will keep ignoring the facts.

[–]jay_the_human 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even if the growth rate is declining, there are already too many people and not enough resources. Not to mention the impact that "only" 7 billion people has had on our planet already. If you think overpopulation isn't an issue, you're a huge imbecile. It's like saying climate change isn't an issue.

[–]PYR0CHA0S 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Couple things I don't see addressed:

  • He doesn't talk about nature's way to combat population increases, through disease or natural disasters
  • Life expectancy also rises with advancement of medical research and technology
  • It would be worth mentioning how China had put in a lot of efforts to reduce their population, intentionally and unintentionally, and the results of that.

[–]SpunkyLittlePleb 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rad video. The majority of people don't realise how far we've come in battling poverty in the past few decades, but this perfectly shows our progress. One of the few Kurzgesagt videos where I'm not left with a sense of hopelessness and despair.

Oh and enjoy the juicy karma OP you slut ;)

[–]pangolin44 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

12 billion is still a crapload of people. It already feels like theres too many people here on this planet at 7 billion.

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[–]karatekyle 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This was a really good summary of population change and the demographic transition. I've taught population dynamics in a university setting and there are always a lot of misconceptions about population growth/decline. The demographic transition is generally considered to be an incredibly strong theory of social science so it's nice to hear it explained in a relatively simple way.

In my classes I've always taught that overpopulation is (now) not the worry, but rather consumption rates. A small number of people that wildly over-consumes can still create problems for sustainability. However, these problems can be somewhat averted through agricultural innovations and the move to renewable energy.

[–]LeftWingScot 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ive recently being doing my Family tree and couldnt believe that just a few generations ago in the early 1900s my Great grandparents had 6-7 brothers and sisters who lived past 16 aswell as dozens of siblings who didnt even make it. compare that to now where each one of my parents siblings have 3 kids at most.

[–]OurSponsor 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I hope this was a one-off and they go back to the art style they've been using all along.

[–]zgenesis 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Interesting video but doesn't talk about the highest levels of consumption! More People more consumption and if its not done in a sustainable we will have serious problems.

[–]SHITS_ON_OP 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

but this doesn't even address the problem... the problem with too many people is we're using too many resources... i know the population is going to level off at 10 billion but we've been over using our resources since we've had a population of like 3 billion

[–]4_auir 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow this kind of blows my mind. It never occurred to me that population could stabilize. I always assumed we'd be overpopulated.

Awesome video if it's true!

[–]EnUnLugarDeLaMancha 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This myth is often present in the "white genocide"/anti-islam discourse. You will find people claiming that islam going to take over Europe, because islamic countries have so many babies, and white europeans only a few. So it is just a matter of time until islam population overruns native europeans.

But the birth rate for immigrants is converging with the local population. Sadly, some people loves to ignore it, because their agenda desperately depends on talking about how low birth rates have been caused by "cultural degeneracy".

[–]Yellow5ub 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This isn't entirely true though. White countries are seeing plenty of migration from other places in the world, people looking for a better life in a developed country with good living standards, places that have already plateaued population wise. Meanwhile developing nations aren't seeing this migration, so they are keeping their ethnically homogenous society's.

[–]Market0 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Finally some optimism!

My grandpa had 12 siblings. My mom had 5. and I have 1.

[–]spacemanspiiff 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I am so glad Kurzgesagt took up this topic. It is one of my pet peeves to read these doomsday population growth comments on Reddit.

Anyone interested in more on this topic should look up Hans Rosling and his TED talks. They are excellent.

[–]21ST__Century 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I guess you don't believe in climate change or there aren't unlimited resources or you don't care for anything other than humans. It's only been like 50 years with more than 3billion humans that is such a short Amount of time, it's all about sustainability.

[–]EpicNetwork 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Overpopulation is the kind of problem I love, the kind that solves itself overtime

[–]Dylan0812 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Union Jack at 3:29 is all sorts of wrong.