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University ignored warnings about far-right speaker, leaving him free to bully trans student on stage (pinknews.co.uk)

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[–]AnarchoSyndicalist12 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (33子コメント)

Is it Milo Yiannopolous?

Open the article

Gee, colour me surprised /s

[–]arkamalitia(except for "anarchist") 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (31子コメント)

I wonder how he deals with the cognitive dissonance of being gay and a hysterical right-wing activist.

[–]bigblindmax/ decentralist 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Evidently quite well. I'm sure the publicity and pay are good incentives.

[–]sailornasheed 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lots and lots of bullying.

[–]pikapizza 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (24子コメント)

Didn't he admit at one point that he's basically a troll and the whole thing is an act?

[–]mynameistheodb 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Even if it is an "act," it's a fuckin' dangerous one, since so many people apparently buy into it. "Free speech" advocates like himself tend to forget that speech carries consequences.

[–]arkamalitia(except for "anarchist") 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That would imply intelligence, which he never showed to possess. Anyhow, doing things ironically or "to troll" eventually warps your psyche.

[–]Neo-man 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cold hard cash

[–]Barry_Scotts_Cat 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know some gay people who could happily fit in his persona....

LGBT isn't devoid of opressives

IIRC he slso says "being gay is a choice"

[–]cantaloupemelon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Whats the cognitive dissonance to be had? White gay men have been big misogynists and racists for all of ages.

[–]arkamalitia(except for "anarchist") 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

One can be gay, a racist and misogynist without supporting an ideology that wants him "cured", deported or shot dead, whichever is easier. Also, Milo sounds like one of those intellectual-yet-idiot that Nassim Taleb describes, with the added bonus that he can pretend to have skin in the game, which he obviously doesn't.

[–]Barry_Scotts_Cat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gee, colour me surprised /s

What colour is that? Blood?

[–]Pellinore 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The Chancellor was "dissapointed" though! So it's all good. Justice served.

[–]OldWoband Green Syndicalist 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The chancellor and university should be sued, since the hate speech and harassment they facilitated were completely predictable.

[–]DonnieNarco 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It'll be funny when Milo dies, hopefully soon.

[–]cdwillis 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I really hope his death doesn't make him a martyr for the "alt-right."

[–]gamegyro56 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then I guess we should hope it's a homophobic Nazi that kills him.

[–]skippwhy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course it will

[–]Topyka2| Burn Disneyland Down 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It literally won't matter at all.

[–][deleted] 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (45子コメント)

Is it seriously called a "Dangerous Faggot Tour"? I read about this earlier in one of my other -ism subs but that info wasn't in the article. It was mostly a copy of the letter the student wrote after she went to the lecture.

The more and more I hear about Milo, the more I grow to hate him, and ashamed of myself for not realizing what he was sooner. The first time I heard him speak it was on some internet talk show and I found myself agreeing with what he and others on the panel were saying. Something about safe spaces on college campuses and how it hampered free speech and the exchange of ideas and information and people abusing the system. I didn't bother looking beyond the surface of the statements so it made sense at the time, and it wasn't this blatant, antagonistic, maliciously malevolent attack of an individual.

This kind of behavior is just... Its just so hard to believe. Even knowing these individuals exist and having grown up in the south where racism, homophobia, and the other -phobias are commonplace, to see people so open about it is astounding. I really wish there was a group willing to do something to silence people like that. They'd have my support and whatever donations I could spare. Hate speech should not be protected by free speech.

[–]memophage 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Yeah, Milo and Richard Spencer are the alt-right apology tour. Milo's the "good cop" (you can't possibly be a racist and misogynist if you're a gay Jew, right?), to Spencer's bad cop (actually says the shit out loud and does the Nazi salutes to make himself the target).

There is an interview with Richard Spencer on NPR. I really recommend listening to it. Once I realized what he was actually saying I couldn't stop swearing at the radio, so consider me "triggered".

Once you listen past the oh-so-reasonable-sounding bullshit their whole message boils down to "We're not racist. We respect non-whites* just fine as long as we can keep the other races physically separate from us. We need to create our own whites-only country because the races inherently can't get along. We're not as as bad as those real Nazi racists."

*Including Jews, who aren't considered white for some reason. And women should stay in their place as well.

They talk like people just can't get along, so white people ("European-Americans") just need their own space. I don't see them advocating moving onto special "white people" reservations though, so there's really only one way that's gonna go.

The rest of all their discussion and speeches is smokescreen for this, and plans for how to make it happen. There's only one road this kind of shit goes down. It's not a long one, and we've seen it before. Fuck these guys.

[–]Iagos_Shadow 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (5子コメント)

NPR should not have given him a platform. The liberals are legitimizing him and we are the ones that are going to have to deal with the fallout

[–]carkey 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree to some extent but also showing a larger audience who these people are is not necessarily a bad thing. It wasn't done in a clickbait-y "let's get some add revenue" sort of disingenuous way from what I understand so maybe it's better that more people see the ugly face behind the movement they only see in soundbites on cable news etc

[–]Barry_Scotts_Cat 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree to some extent but also showing a larger audience who these people are is not necessarily a bad thing

You do that by REPORTING ON THEM, you know, what journalists do?

Rather than letting them spout off

[–]carkey 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No need for the caps lock mate.

Yeah, reporting on them is good but giving them a platform that becomes their public position is also good to be able to argue against.

Letting them define themselves publicly means we can argue against their public statements and they can't hide from them.

[–]Barry_Scotts_Cat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The liberals are legitimizing him

Hasn't that been standard for some time?

The fash are always viewed as "other"

You could be off the scale of acceptableness, and they'll go "But he's other to you"

I'm still waiting till Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi gets his own slot

[–]Str8tTrollN 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bob Garfield cut the interview off about halfway in disgust.

[–]gamegyro56 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So basically the message is "we cis white men need a safe space because we're too triggered by everyone else."

[–]memophage 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Heh, yep. :)

I especially love it when people go off about SJWs. By complaining about SJWs you have just become an SJW.

Your definition of how things should be might be different, but it's the same damn thing.

[–]Mainstay17- Where's my check, Soros? 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Including Jews, who aren't considered white for some reason. And women should stay in their place as well.

Are we back to being non-white now? I thought the fascists wanted us white so they could safely exclude Muslims from 'Judeo-Christian' America without losing all their money men.

[–]Gamma_Ram 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (10子コメント)

It seems that whenever safe spaces are being made fun of, it's by people like this. Maybe it's time to re-examine your opinion on them

[–]creative_nothing_ 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (7子コメント)

That's definitely not true, there are plenty of good anarchist critiques of the safe space, although they are usually for different reasons than what the right would critique them for. There is probably some overlap as well which is why the OP may have found themselves in the position they did.

[–]jingleheimer_spliff 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Define a safe space. To me that makes me think of support groups which need to be "safe spaces " I don't know what all the fear monger is about these other mythical "safe spaces" that right wingers go on about. Care to help explain?

[–]directoriesopen 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I would definitely say that support groups and such should be safe places. What I think is more problematic is avoiding hard discussions as a whole in places such as universities (which are often the most prominent examples of "safe places"). Of course, I think that the vast majority of people talking about "safe places" are exaggerating it by a huge degree, but in some cases controversial things should be done and discussed (cloning humans could be a decent example?).

[–]mynameistheodb 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Recently attended a university, still have friends there: wouldn't consider them to be "safe spaces" outside of support groups meant for that purpose. The general demographical makeup of universities (the majority being young liberals) and a desire for inclusivity for the historically marginalized might lend itself to being seen as a safe space by those on the outside though.

Edit: I'll add that universities (the exception being individual professors) do not have the interests of their students as a first priority, so the reaction of the president at this school is not a surprise to me. Even for "public" universities, profit is the number one priority, because it allows them pay their high ranking officials more and expand their campuses to attract more paying students by advertising the lifestyle they can offer. Athletics programs are a huge focus at major universities because they tend to net a large revenue.

[–]Barry_Scotts_Cat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here in the UK theres been a number of famous cases where NUS (National Union of Students) have done things like "banned clapping" which fits into the Trumblr narrative of the fash to why "safe spaces" are an attack on them.

And yes, it's idiotic...but you just play into their fucking hands.

[–]El_Draque 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Safe spaces on university can be certain rooms that are only accessible by a particular group who is judged to require safety from the public at large. For example, some universities have rooms that are set aside for women who feel unsafe around men. There are also rooms only accessible to people who come from a historically oppressed ethnicity.

Although I see the value in protecting the vulnerable, I don't see any end to the possible manifestations of safe spaces for any imaginable class of person. I hate to say "slippery slope," but the logic of safe spaces can be applied to any and every subsection of humanity.

Personally, I'd like a safe space from the affluent.

[–]CH0AM_N0MSKY 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

For me personally, I was upset at a strawman version of safe spaces where people wanted entire college campuses to be thought policed and to censor conservative ideas. The whole 'college safe space' narrative targets the (in my experience majority of) people who believe universities should be a free exchange of ideas to turn people against 'liberal' groups, usually lgbt or racial minority groups. At least that's how I, an at the time self-professed liberal went down that the_donald, Milo-worshipping rabbit hole.

Learning the actual purpose and application of safe spaces helped me to understand what my bullshit was doing, and I eventually pulled myself out of that. Or maybe some people just want to be allowed to walk into lgbt organizations and tell them they're all freaks without facing repercussions, which totally sounds like something Milo would do.

[–]Barry_Scotts_Cat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The "safe spaces" that the fash whine about, are always where a certain group removes them from being fash

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    [–]HeloRising 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What was Chomsky's critique?

    [–]HeloRising 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Is it seriously called a "Dangerous Faggot Tour"?

    Yep. Part if Milo's shtick is to be "edgy" by calling himself that.

    [–]woolyreasoning 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I want to know wtf happen to milo 4 years ago he was articulate funny gay Tory abit of a weird mix but a pleasure to watch debate at oxford and Cambridge.. I feel like he's gone from panto villain to Hanns Gerring esque figure

    [–]HeloRising 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    White people money.

    People will pay a lot of money to hear someone with a more valid point of view than their own to reinforce their worldview. Any idiot can stand up there and rip on gays and Jews but it doesn't mean much if they're a straight WASP. Now if you get a gay person up there who is also Jewish to say the stuff you want to hear, that has more weight because "they would know."

    Same reason FOX employs black commentators. White people pay a lot of money to have their worldview shored up.

    [–]Barry_Scotts_Cat 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Money money money

    He loves to show it off, and he's likely just funneling it into his own investments

    [–]yruHittingUrself 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I really wish there was a group willing to do something to silence people like that. I don't know what's scarier, what you're trying to say or that you're nonchalantly wording it exactly like this.

    [–]Barry_Scotts_Cat 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    And this is EXACTLY why the whole "fascists have freeze speech, you're as bad as them" bullshit doesn't stand mustard

    [–]chromeless 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    In practice, almost all arguments against free speech I've heard are terrible. It's only by allowing everyone to air their views that everyone can be clear on exactly what they are and how they might be countered with reason. If they advocate violence, it will become possible to hold them accountable for what they preach and it will be made clear if a physical response is the only measure that will stop them.

    Free speech should be something to be held in high regard. It's not perfect, but I see little reason to not allow people to air genuinely controversial views, as silencing them and forcing them out of public is almost always bad and done for shortsighted reasons. It's active, personal harassment of individuals that should be shut down, for the sake of protecting them.

    [–]nopus_dei 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Incitement to violence and harassment is not free speech. This student narrowly avoided an ass-kicking, and only then because she managed to pass as cis and to maintain her composure as she was singled out publicly.

    In response to barely avoiding the beating of a student he's supposed to protect, the chancellor was merely "disappointed." Fucking really? He should be furious! He should ban whatever group invited this alt-Reich jackass Milo, sue the hell out of him, and end his career as a college speaker. Then he should apologize to the victim and offer all the help she needs.

    [–]IAmRootLibertarian Socialist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I agree, but this is really just a matter of how you define speech. Speech that translates into harmful action isn't considered mere speech. This is a case of words which go far beyond mere speech and cause actual harassment and a high likelihood physical attacks. Even the US, which allows hate speech, doesn't protect this type of speech. I'm pretty sure this speech would fall under both the "fighting words" and "imminent danger" tests.

    A result oriented rather than content oriented approach to free speech rights is a pretty good idea, I think. Otherwise, there are dangers like how there's been legislation proposed to make anti-cop speech considered hate speech and I can imagine Nazis fooling people into making anti-fascism considered hate speech against white people. Keeping the rules result oriented means that it can't be twisted as easily.

    The main problem is that the enforcement usually sides with the far right. This speech of his should be considered harassment and incitement and not protected speech. The fault lies with liberals not recognizing that this goes beyond mere speech.

    [–]Barry_Scotts_Cat 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Exactly, the only time "freeze peach" comes out is when people are being attacked. And then it's always the fash saying it's their right to attack people.

    But at the core of it always comes down to "I want to say things without people telling me I'm wrong" The fash love this, they love to have private meetings where nobody fash can attend and then noody can disagree with them.

    They then found the internet, and tried to spout their shit, and then they got banned. So they create their own little communities like /r/the_donald and then whine that they're opressed by being banned, while they ban everyone else.

    Hence why Redwatch, Stormfront exist. The fash love their little community

    But then you get liberals going "ITZ FREEZE PEACH" without noticing that calling the fash out is the very same.

    [–]cantaloupemelon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's active, personal harassment of individuals that should be shut down, for the sake of protecting them.

    thats what happened here... Any time a bigot speaks about those they are bigoted towards, it is active personal harassment.

    [–]ragnar68 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Actually, you yourself are advocating violence against people who voice "unacceptable" ideas which makes you guilty of being a fascist. Are you going to beat yourself up too...?

    [–]chromeless 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    you yourself are advocating violence against people who voice "unacceptable" ideas which makes you guilty of being a fascist

    I'm not, and I'm actually strongly critical of the kind of leftists who try to justify all kinds of bullshit against otherwise non-violent people, and even innocent bystanders, in the name of 'anti-fascism'. No, we gain absolutely fucking nothing from, for instance, pissing off metal fans and claiming that it's their fault that they didn't actively block bands associated with national socialism from their concerts. Shit like this is absolutely disgusting and only makes self-proclaimed anarchists look like immature, power-hungry asses and will only make more people more sympathetic to Nazism while making anti-capitalists look pathetic in comparison.

    Simply advocating "unacceptable" ideas is something I'm strongly in support of the freedom to do, far beyond most people here, and I'm very much in line with Chomsky's views on the matter. People need to be able to explore things from unorthodox perspectives, even if certain people aren't fans of the conclusions. Physical force should be reserved for defensive measures, to counter others who actively use violence.

    [–]ragnar68 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    ok, its nice to know that not everyone here isnt thirsty for bashing fascist.

    [–]Boracho1121 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    the shitbirds have had their chance to freeze their peaches, and it's been found wanting. Thing is, it's not even an issue of speech at this point. It's an incitement of violence against minorities with a wannabe Oscar Wilde at the podium.

    [–]giveviolenceachanceindividualist | white genocide worldwide 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's fucking despicable what people allow him to get away with just because they don't want to accidentally create a martyr. Antifa should have ended him a long time ago.

    [–]Mainstay17- Where's my check, Soros? 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't get why the mainstream isn't outraged at this. Forget about the actual politics of the speaker - even without that, he got up on stage and started publicly shaming and insulting someone in the audience. What the fuck.

    [–]yruHittingUrself 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Free speech is bullying, I'm an anarchist yet I believe people don't have a right to say what they want. I swear this sub just gets more and more ridiculous day by day.

    [–]ragnar68 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (12子コメント)

    I am curious to know on how would anarchist deal with people like him. Would he be beaten every time he spread his 'hate" speech in public? Would he be killed if he continued to do so or if he became too popular?

    [–]giveviolenceachanceindividualist | white genocide worldwide 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    In an anarchist society? He'd probably just be kicked out of most communities. Perhaps beaten or killed. He certainly deserves it imo.

    In a capitalist / fascist society, tho? He gonna get bashed.

    [–]ragnar68 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    No and No.

    In an anarchist society he would join a community of like minded people and they would protect themselves against violent thugs.

    In a capitalist society they have law enforcement and the right to self defense to defend themselves.

    Also the only fascist I see here is you and everyone else here who calls themselves an "anarchist". You don't even believe in free speech or dissenting ideas. How stupid and retarded.

    [–]giveviolenceachanceindividualist | white genocide worldwide 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    shooting for -100 karma, I see

    go away, troll

    [–]ohrightthatswhy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Put it this way, his pretty face will look prettier when his forehead encounters a pavement....

    [–]ragnar68 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    what about his fans? Should they beaten up and should their face be smashed into the pavement too? How about people who voted for Trump? Them too as well? Is this what you call self defense?

    [–]Topyka2| Burn Disneyland Down 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Any prescriptive judgement is going to be useless. All I know is that Milo is an active threat, and I also know I won't be crying when he gets shot.

    [–]ragnar68 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    A threat to who and to what? How?

    Does he get a chance to defend himself or does an anarchist society just execute people on the whim that they are labeled a fascist?

    [–]cantaloupemelon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Its self defense. He was a threat to the girl that this post is about. Hes also a threat to people of color who are targeted by cops.

    [–]Topyka2| Burn Disneyland Down 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    A threat to LGBTQ people, dipshit. Do you even realize what thread you're posting in, what the article OP posted reported?

    And no. An anarchist society does not get to just execute people because they're a fascist. It's a good thing then that individuals are not societies, and that execution is different than insurrection.

    It's almost like, almost, that you're basing your entire ethical system on statist logics of power and ignoring the actual reality of how power operates. That you can't tell the difference between somebody shooting another person illegally, throwing their life away in exchange for another's, and an overarching system paying people to strap a prisoner down to a chair and murder them with no repercussions is more than enough to show that your opinion is fucked to hell.

    [–]ragnar68 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Except he's flamboyantly gay. Which pretty much destroys your whole "argument". That fact is he is promoting it by making it acceptable under right wing which is incredible. 20 years ago having an openly gay man doing a rightwing speech would be so unheard of.

    Him having a negative opinion about men who dress like women does not warrant him being curb stump or being killed. Anyone who thinks that needs to get professional help.

    I am also against the existence of the state. The difference between you and me is that I believe people should have the right to hold and voice dissenting ideologies and the right to free association and the right to own their own property.

    If you're against the killing and hurting of people than perhaps you should try convincing your so called fellow "anarchist" not to be so god dame pro violence. The fact that that people here are so pro violence and love violence doesn't make you all that different than a statist.

    [–]SecretlyAMosinNagant 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not an anarchist, but ya, the guy should be shot.

    [–]AyPurl -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So much cringe...

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