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So yeah, r/socialism is censoring discussion (self.Anarchism)

excitedllamaRevolutionary Anarchist Movement of Arkansas が 投稿

I'll preface this by stating that I'm not a free-speech liberal nor do I support ableism. I was very supportive when the mods announced a stronger approach towards it, but they seem to have gone a little too far by removing posts that generate internal discussion. Not even debate, but a sharing of views and ideas.

This post was removed almost immediately even though nothing about it was derogatory and the person who posted it was very polite and careful. Here's the same post just to prove it was, in fact, removed. There was also this thread from earlier today, which was the thread in question.

In an attempt to avoid a rant I will simply say I am very upset with the mods of r/socialism and, while the initiative to crack down on ableism was welcome and commendable, their actions thereof are not conducive to a socialist environment.

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[–]slotwuato 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

while the initiative to crack down on ableism was welcome and commendable, their actions thereof are not conducive to a socialist environment.

It would be commendable if they weren't using it as an excuse to crack down on people for minor disagreements with mods and if it they consulted with the users about the exact policy instead of acting like a bunch of dictators.

[–]WickedDeparted 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, going back to some earlier threads, I've found lots of deleted comments (using ceddit) from people who were just disagreeing with mods. Things were running fine as they were. Comments in poor taste were downvoted/deleted anyway. Why fuck it up?

[–]Quebe[Zizekian] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think it began with the establishment of the Discord server where the mods felt a lot more liberal about banning members or screening users who were politically divergent in various ways.

Its purging plain and simple, its an Ideological feedback loop in which it promotes its own continuation and escalation.

[–]WickedDeparted 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Discord server was very unwelcoming for the few times I joined it.

[–]Quebe[Zizekian] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Between my underwhelming experience in a Trotskyist CWI party and that Sub I've come to really understand the weight of Anarchism as an alternative

[–]noisewitch2 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

the most interesting thing about all this, to me, is that the people who are most likely not to be able to consistently follow an extensive list of language rules are people with learning disabilities, cognitive disorders, and poor educations.

Edit: By "interesting", I mean, "fucking enraging".

[–]tolbiac110/ Infoanarchist-Syndicalist-Communist 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is so very true. On a sidenote, I can only speak for myself here, but I've been to hell and back with having asperger's syndrome in public school and in trying to make friends and coping with depression, and I haven't felt any harm directed at me on that sub until the mods began their crusade. Shooting down language even vaguely in the proximity of referring to any disability. I know they meant well, but I think they did a really poor job in executing their idea. Its more intimidating to everyone than anything else.

This is why its important to hear from the community.

[–]illuminated_sputnik¡Alerta! 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (6子コメント)

You know, this has some interesting parallels to the political development of a certain 20th century state...

[–]excitedllamaRevolutionary Anarchist Movement of Arkansas[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's like they aren't even trying. Every few months the mods go on a power trip and people get really fussy. They'll add another token anarchist to the mod team, issue an empty apology, and do it all over again in july. It's pretty frustrating, but what's worse is that sub is getting really popular at a time when socialism really needs to be popular and what they're doing is sending the absolute wrong message to newcomers.

[–]IAmRootLibertarian Socialist 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

My only hope is that this will cause people to see the faults of Marxist-Leninism now rather than later. Their actions on internet forums is one thing. What they'll do IRL if given power is a hell of a lot worse.

There is nothing socialist about what they're doing, and I also worry that they're going to damage the reputation of socialism even further. Rather than trying to educate the people on why ableism is bad, they are treating everyone not in agreement as incapable of learning and therefore perpetually lesser than them. Workers having power in name only and being told that they need to be ruled by their betters for their own good is not socialism and is a view that treats the working class as subhuman pets rather than actually caring about them as people.

[–]excitedllamaRevolutionary Anarchist Movement of Arkansas[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Workers having power in name only and being told that they need to be ruled by their betters for their own good is not socialism

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the basic definition of fascism?

[–]IAmRootLibertarian Socialist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's broader than just fascism. That idea also applies to things like feudalism and monarchism.

The idea of controlling actions rather than educating people so that they won't want to perform harmful acts is also broadly right wing. The left wing holds that such things are mostly learned behaviors while the right sees wrongdoers as more intrinsically bad.

[–]0TOYOT0 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fascists do often claim to turn some power over to the workers, but that's not really a sufficent definition of fascism.

[–]illuminated_sputnik¡Alerta! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're right. We've lost too many potential socialists to Marxist-Leninist propaganda in places like r/soc.

[–]-AllIsVanity- 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (6子コメント)

The worst part is that the top mod is a libertarian like us. /u/CometParty, do something.

[–]Quebe[Zizekian] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He seems to have stopped posting in /r/soc months ago

[–]IndDrank/libsoc whatever 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wasn't there drama with him a while back? I wouldn't bet on anything positive coming out of that.

[–]-AllIsVanity- 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

He's an anarchist, it's his duty to stop power-tripping red fascists.

[–]IndDrank/libsoc whatever 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I guess, but just because he calls himself an anarchist doesn't mean he's actually going to do anything. From what I've heard he's been pretty absent.

[–]-AllIsVanity- -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/CometParty, if you're too busy, make me second-to-top mod. I have free time and thick skin, and I'm undoxxable.

[–]Ragark-Deleonist -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He stayed around while nearly the entire subreddit was calling for his demodding. That's far more "red fascist" than enforcing new policy.

[–]psychothumbs 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I was banned a few days ago, with the stated reason being that I had posted in a different sub that I support legalizing sex work. Tried to message the mods about it and was berated and then muted. This whole situation has nothing to do with ableism and everything to do with the mods going on a power trip.

[–]excitedllamaRevolutionary Anarchist Movement of Arkansas[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's kinda shit. We should be in solidarity with the sex workers. While legalizing would be pretty reformist approach it's still a lot better than how most states treat it. Do you have the post or screenshots?

[–]psychothumbs 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Here, just uploaded: http://imgur.com/a/d2ye0

[–]IndDrank/libsoc whatever 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

that's fucked...

[–]essjaydubyoo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So not wanting to lock up sex workers is brocialism now? I mean obviously the sex industry is gross and exploits vulnerable people, but subjecting those people to police violence and imprisonment doesn't help.

[–]tolbiac110/ Infoanarchist-Syndicalist-Communist 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

/r/socialism was once a very open forum that balanced itself out in terms of rules and discussion. I don't know where things went wrong, but I think the (imo unnecessary) crack-down on ableism really poked the fire. The mods have pretty much become bosses there right now. I'm just glad this sub is holding its own.

/r/socialanarchism has the following on modship:

Ideally we'd need no moderators, but our sub exists inside reddit's forced hierarchies. To work around this, we invite every proven contributor to be a mod. That way we can collectively police ourselves & not depend on a handful of enforcers. A 'proven contributor' is anyone with a post history that shows an understanding and support of the social anarchist struggle and is not prone to any bigotry.

I'm not sure how practical this would be, but in an ideal socialist sub they would have something to this effect in place.

[–]-AllIsVanity- 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's Leninism for ya.

[–]EZPEEZEE 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

At a time when the left should unite. The /r/socialism mods choose to have a meltdown and encourage infighting and suppression.

Cowards.