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Cabbies proving AGAIN why Uber wins (self.toronto)

TitanM77 が 投稿

Just left the ACC (early, thankfully) from a packed Raptors games in a pretty solid snowstorm, to a slew of cabbies, at least 5 of which locked their doors and wouldn't let me in unless I was going "their way" or tried to charge a "flat fee" double the cost of a normal ride of like 8km.

THIS is why Uber is winning. Not because of them breaking whatever rules, but because you are generally jerks when people need you. Service.

Props to the one guy who finally took us, and got us home in the same amount of time it normally takes, and got a nice tip as a result.

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[–]RandomDude9993 117 ポイント118 ポイント  (30子コメント)

People need to report the plates/names of the cabs doing this, take a pic! If the cabbie goes after you it should be easy to find a cop in the area

[–]JerseyMike3 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (25子コメント)

This. This 100%. Break out your phone and take a picture of the cab number on the door. And the license plate. Then tweet it out to their company/police/media.

[–]TitanM77[S] 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Oh the irony. I went to a cop who was standing right therr, in uniform,and told him. He said he was only 'private security's for the night for the Green P across Bay St. So that didn't help. That's when the date found the responsible cabby and we left, fuming.

[–]Born_Ruff 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (10子コメント)

It's a bylaw issue, not something that a police officer would normally deal with.

You need to call city bylaw enforcement.

[–]cttttt 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is probably why Uber is gaining ground. When there's competition, you can't afford to be fucking about like this. Faced with bad service, folks won't complain...they'll simple try alternatives. I don't think most of the licensed cabbies realize this pretty straightforward concept.

[–]da-seinQueen Street West 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This compleltey--screw complaining. I'm not going to fight to get the service I want from cabs when it's already available for less money and more conveniently from Uber. I'll just take a Uber and not waste my time.

[–]jabbles_ 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Police can and do deal with bylaw issues

[–]Born_Ruff 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They definitely can. It's like how cops can issue parking tickets, but it's not actually their responsibility and the normally don't deal with that.

[–]MorseFraiche 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a fair bit of extra work to go through to Do The Right Thing, especially when all a person really wants to do is jump in a car and go home.

I haven't found bylaw enforcement very easy or quick to deal with in the past, not attentive to the issue (noise complaints from a resto patio). It's not going to be a very rewarding experience for anyone who wants to complain about a cab.

[–]brock4747 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Had this same issue at Downsview park, Police officer walked us down the center of the road, opened a cabbie's door and said drive them where they want to go. Cabbie was not happy.

[–]Born_Ruff 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cops definitely can intervene if they want.

[–]jefe46 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol silly Torontonian assuming police exist to serve.

[–]DroopyTrashThe Financial District -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is their number 1-800-by-law?

[–]Thunder_bird [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Is their number 1-800-by-law?

1-800-bye-law

FIFY

[–]avillanuv 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Technically not a problem for a cop, but for a by law officer. You can easily take a picture of the cab and file a report.

[–]jabbles_ 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

An officer in the province of Ontario CAN issue Bylaw infractions.

[–]mrfrobinson 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cops enforce by-law infractions all the time. They can get involved.

[–]ngtstkrYonge and Eglinton 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm confused. You took a cab? I thought you said that uber wins?

[–]uymai 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the cop comment part was related to if the cabbie comes after you for taking a picture of their plate

[–]onetwentybpm 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah even a regular on duty cop won't deal with it. Not a criminal matter.

They do enforce certain bylaws, but not licensing stuff.

[–]jabbles_ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

An officer in the province of Ontario CAN issue Bylaw infractions.

[–]onetwentybpm 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As I said. But they won't deal with certain ones. Like restaurant health code violations for example.

[–]lookacookie 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

A cop could deal with it but sounds like he was doing a paid duty for traffic management at the parking lot and didn't want to leave his post to deal with this

[–]jefe46 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ring paid double time and half, you mean, right?

[–]lookacookie 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't you ever get tired of having the same singular thought?

[–]DMat 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do they actually respond improve? If they did, Uber would not exist, non?

[–]julia_sugarbaker_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't bother. Just vote with your dollars and get an uber.

[–]Itsnotwhoitseems 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I did and wrote to beck with no response

[–]jabbles_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Try tweeting @GailBeckSouter

[–]PMmeYourNoodz 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

writing to beck isn't going to do much. report it to totaxis@toronto.ca

[–]bryguytwoply [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Legit this is not a problem with cabs as a whole. These are specific individuals, and a power structure to punish them is in place, just like it is with Uber. Perhaps cab companies should have an app to make reviewing their drivers easier, but its really not that hard.

[–]bogdans_eyebrowJunction Triangle 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had a shit experience tonight too OP. I had a free taxi chit so I figured I'd hail a cab. Probably the first time in like 2 years I've taken one and I don't miss it one bit lol. Denied 3 times by the driver as soon as I mention my destination. They won't even open their doors unless I told them where I was going and when I do they instantly peeled off. Finally said fuck it, a free ride isn't worth dealing with beck so I just ubered anyways.

[–]HarshFarts 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (14子コメント)

I never understand why this is a problem. Why mention your destination before getting in the cab? If the cabbie locks the doors until you tell them your destination, lie and get in. Once you're in you can "change your mind" about your destination.

Sure it's a disk thing to do, but given the circumstances, I think it's perfectly justified.

[–]schweinerhund 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm always scared of doing this...what if they like refuse to take you there and dump you out? idk

[–]lilfunky1 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

How would they dump you out? Get out of the drivers seat, walk around the cab, open your door and physically drag you out of the vehicle kicking and screaming?

[–]schweinerhund 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I honestly have no idea. Cabbies are such assholes I'm scared of pissing them off. It's an honest question, what happens when you change your mind about where you are going? They would obviously be pissed.

[–]BTCFinancial 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

this is is what ive been doing for years, before uberstarrted. Cabbies being selective of their destination has been an ongoing problem for years. I have No problem fibbing my destination in the slightest.

[–]PvlKnnEast Danforth 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

What's their typical reaction?

[–]bupvoteDovercourt Park 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

A few wrong turns and a broken debit machine

[–]PvlKnnEast Danforth 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is one legally obligated to pay the increases in fare as a result of their mistake in making wrong turns?

[–]Gregory-Pecking 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably not, but why bother risking it when you can Uber?

[–]NotSoSecretFootballr 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Easier to just uber it, safer too

[–]bogdans_eyebrowJunction Triangle 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Whats a good destination to lie about?

[–]Airilin 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just say brampton or somewhere far away from the core

[–]JohannesStrachanHumewood-Cedarvale 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Brampton is good really late at night because there is a strong chance that's where the cab driver lives. Earlier, I'd go with somewhere like Yonge/Sheppard or DVP/Eglinton so that they'd assume they'll be able to get a quick, big fare going north and then another big one coming back downtown.

[–]HarshFarts 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not about specific destinations, it's about distance and about the likelihood that they will be able to pick up a fare on the way back.

If, as OP was doing, you're leaving the ACC and only going a short distance, you could lie and say that you're going to Yonge and Eglinton. It's a good distance, and there will be plenty of fares there.

Once you're in the cab you can let the cabbie know that you've changed your mind and you want to be dropped off just a couple of blocks away.

[–]zipzo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I was going to point that out. I don't understand why people don't get in the cab they are planning to take. The only good reason not to do that is to haggle a set rate and go to the next one if you don't like what he's telling you.

[–]Mandaface 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same thing happened to my hubby and I last night. We just got out of the train station and wanted a cab to a bar a few blocks away. We had to ask 3 or 4 different cabs before one said yes.

On the way back we took Uber. The guy was even nice enough to stop at a street meat stand while we got some sausages. He was so nice, didn't seem to mind at all.

[–]ilovedillpicklesThe Entertainment District 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

PRO-TIP : Tell them you're going to like Markham or some shit. Somewhere that's a massive fare. If they offer you a flat rate, accept whatever it is, even if it's $500 for a 3km ride. It doesn't matter.

Then, once you're INSIDE the taxi, change your mind and/or route. Tell them where you want to go. If they refuse, tell them you're calling the licencing office RIGHT NOW as you're in the cab. If they change route from what you say, again, licencing office. If they try and kick you out, again, licencing office.

When you get to where you want to go, ask them what the fare is. If the meter is off, your ride is free. NO MATTER WHAT. Even if you agreed to a flat fare, YOU ARE NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED TO PAY ANYTHING. Even in a flat rate situation, THEY MUST RUN THE METER. You pay the lesser, the meter or the agreed flat fare.

If they fuck any of this up, you call the cab company, you call the licencing office, and anyone you feel you wish WHILE IN THE CAB. If you get where you need to go and they haven't turned on the meter, just get out and you have yourself a free ride.

If the driver gets out and grabs you, call the police and file charges for assault.

DONE.

Never put up with the cabbie bullshit. The rules are VERY clear on the back of every seat in a cab.

[–]BestTorsoForward 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't go looking for trouble or playing silly games when I'm on a night out.

It does suck for taxis to drive short distance, but also the optics are worse when they deny fares given the current environment. They should just make it a zone fare. If you are travelling within downtown $15 flat fare (example) or something like that. It's not perfect, but it would make a win-win for consumers and taxis.

The difference would be that unlike Uber ridiculous surge pricing amounts, this would be more reasonable.

Edit: With 4 people taking a taxi it becomes more reasonable too (compared to TTC)

[–]ilovedillpicklesThe Entertainment District 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nor do I.

But, when taxi drivers want to fuck around and a whole line of them deny me because I'm not a $75 fare, I'm going to fight back and I'm going to do by using the laws that are in place to protect me as a consumer.

If the taxi drivers want to try and avert those laws, they're welcome to, but it doesn't mean I have to put up with it.

[–]simonpheenicks 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Why didnt you use Uber in the first place?

[–]TitanM77[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Was about to but after a game it's chaos and the date just wanted to go...

[–]simonpheenicks 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (18子コメント)

So, the cabs were actually the more convenient choice.

[–]TitanM77[S] 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Yeah and 1 out of 6 or 7 of them actually did their job and obeyed the law and license that they have. "convenient".

So yeah it was worth it to that point to deal with their crap. But that is literally the only time I would try and hail one, mostly because telling an Uber where to get you around the ACC in a huge crowd is difficult. If the one guy hadn't done his job, when he did, Uber was up next.

Good game cabbies.

[–]simonpheenicks 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (13子コメント)

mostly because telling an Uber where to get you around the ACC in a huge crowd is difficult.

Are Uber drivers not ready for events like Raptors games at the ACC? I feel like that gives cabbies an edge - they are prepared.

Good game cabbies.

You still took a cab home, man. They got your money because you didnt think an Uber was convenient enough.

Misleading title. You're stating a case where Uber is actually losing.

[–]Born_Ruff 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (5子コメント)

This is really just a benefit of their legislated monopoly. The city sets aside space on the roads where taxis can wait for rides, i.e. taxi stands.

The city doesn't give Uber taxi stands, and they are legally prohibited from picking up street hails, which necessitates the awkward task of trying to order and then find your Uber in a crowd.

[–]StaplesAura 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

In some cities, like Las Vegas, there's an uber pick-up zone at the convention center with numbered spots and your driver simply texts you what spot they're in. Makes the experience so much easier and practical. Just a matter of Uber paying for that land/space from these large venues.

[–]NotSoSecretFootballr 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do that here and you'll probably have cab drivers waiting for cars to park in those spots to slash their tires.

[–]OPPOSITEGCOSTANZA 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

...and you don't see Uber drivers blocking roads & throwing a hissyfit because of this "unfair advantage", do you?

[–]PvlKnnEast Danforth 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Calling it a monopoly is incorrect because multiple companies operate taxis.

[–]Born_Ruff 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are correct. I'm not sure what to call this type of market except really really distorted.

[–]TitanM77[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Eh, maybe. To be honest I was thinking maybe should call an Uber but hey look at all these taxis, with their lights on. Then this BS. Next time though, no chance. Would rather wait or go meet an Uber half a block away than deal with rude ignorant jerks.

I have done this dance before and have no problem with cabbies who actually do their job, like the nice guy who actually did.

[–]simonpheenicks 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, maybe the road conditions brought out the worst in those guys? I dunno. I cant understand why these guys turn down fares.

Hopefully Uber drivers would get a little more ready for things like Raps games, I think the city however would have to get them designated pickup spots because it definitely does get jammed down there. Im pretty sure cabbies are allowed to park and wait for fares so Uber drivers should be allowed too.

[–]TitanM77[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Totally agree. A fare is a fare, and I wasn't going far. The guy who took me was probably back getting another fare while the rest of these jokers were waiting for their ideal ride.

Since ride sharing is licensed now,agree that they should be able to use taxi stands.

[–]vinng86 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did they ask you where you're going? 9 times out of 10, the reason they refuse you is because you're not going far. They don't make much from a short trip, and by the time they get back they

a) lose their sweet position or b) get back too late and all the juicy fares (i.e. long trips) are gone.

As others have said, you can call city bylaw enforcement on them and see how quickly their tune changes. The city made laws against refusing fares for exactly this reason.

[–]megasmash 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did they ask you where you're going? 9 times out of 10, the reason they refuse you is because you're not going far. They don't make much from a short trip

I've been refused a ride by a cab in the past because I was going out of the downtown core. I can only assume that they would not be able to pick up a fare where I was asking to be driven to (Mississauga)

[–]leaveiggyalone -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Stop.

[–]Spacct 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol, an uber user complaining about someone not following the law

[–]DMat 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cabs go to the chaos, because Uber ate the rest of their lunch in the city.

[–]megasmash 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is one of the race occurrences when cabs are the more convenient choice.

[–]p3dsimmer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Get out of here with your hypocrisy

[–]britboy1998Corktown 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had this happen to me on the way to the airport the other day. I got to Kipling and he was the only cab I could find. There were 4 others going to the airport as well and rather than leave them behind we pooled the ride when we got to the Terminal he said it was $ 24.00 ..... PER PERSON ! I was like WTF. I left him with $ 24.00 in total and left the cab with him yelling at me as I left ( with the door open ) FUCK CABS in this city.

[–]IsUpNorth 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (8子コメント)

All of these anti cab posts will come back to bite people in the ass in 10 years. I get Uber now. Win over the market place, and then invest in self driving cars, and then just keep all the profits for themselves. This will put not only cabs but uber drivers out of work too.

But for the topic at hand, I agree. Most taxi drivers are pieces of shit. I'm lucky enough though to have found 4 good ones, and I Just call them directly.

[–]PMmeYourNoodz 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Win over the market place, and then invest in self driving cars, and then just keep all the profits for themselves. This will put not only cabs but uber drivers out of work too.

what part of this is supposed to be bad?

[–]DeleteFromUsers 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The important difference is that cabs are a heavily regulated industry which is difficult to get into. Uber, on the other hand could be supplanted by another ride sharing company without too great a barrier to entry. They've laid the legal groundwork for the second generation.

And yes in ten years, the way we use cars could be very different than now.

[–]UncleBenjen 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What, and you don't think the cab companies will do the same? That's a good one! Evidence shows they will take longer than Uber to convert to automatic drivers, but it WILL happen. Same for truck drivers, and hell, same for forklift drivers.

Driving is not a valuable skill in the 21st century. I don't mean to shit on anyone who drives for a living, I really don't, but the fact is that not all of our kids will learn to drive, and even fewer of theirs will. I would advise against looking for work that revolves around driving. Of course, not all of us have the luxury of choice, so if driving is the only work you can get, it would be wise to invest in learning a new skill in your free time.

Automation is an inevitability, and it's not restricted to driving. There isn't a single job that can't be automated eventually. If you're thinking "oh well a robot could never replace me" well than you're wrong. It might not happen in the next 10 years, it might not happen in 20, but it will happen.

[–]vinng86 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I saw this in another thread but truckers being replaced by automated drivers is going to fuck over a LOT of small towns that depend on the flow of people (truckers) to survive. This is going to be a huge but unintentional consequence of fully automating driving, especially in the States.

[–]zippercotThe Beaches 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In 10 years we will start to see Elon Musk's vision of autonomous cars from a personal vehicle pool. Taxis are dead, we are just seeing their post-mortem twitches.

[–]PrayForMojo_ 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All drivers should be out of work. Humans aren't responsible or skilled enough to drive cars.

[–]DuncanIdunno 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

We'll be well on our way to driverless cars by then. There will be no ass biting.

[–]ur_a_idietThe Bridle Path [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Whoa there. I'm never gonna stop ass biting.

[–]redbluemangle 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

There is a problem with the notion that Uber is just a competitive player in a free market. Because If Uber succeeds, then there will be no competition. They are vying for a monopoly.

[–]JohannesStrachanHumewood-Cedarvale 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Isn't every supplier in a free market vying for a monopoly? Beck doesn't want a monopoly because they know that the politicians they've bought will continue letting them charge monopolistic prices in a highly regulated market place.

Theoretically, I'd love to see Lyft set up shop in Toronto and give Uber some price competition. But, given today's practical options, I'll take Uber over Beck without a second thought.

[–]redbluemangle 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Full disclosure, I'm an Uber Partner, and I am laughing. I make a decent living at it. Compared to Uber, the conventional livery businesses are sweatshops on wheels.

[–]bhbull 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yup, just like each and every one of the cab companies.

[–]redbluemangle [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No. Uber is the only company actually vying for it. All the regional taxi cabs are dogging it and just relying on the wealthy baby boomers being set in their ways.

See the goods at hand, and see the capital behind the goods. Uber is not just a head and shoulders above Taxis, they are dominating. The Taxi business has its pants down.

[–]kpec 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uber has gotten so expensive. I spent about $100 on ubers yesterday when a couple months ago it would have cost me less than $60... Took a cab yesterday as well and it was the worst smelling 20 minutes of my life.

[–]PMmeYourNoodz 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

when this happens, take a photo of the number on the side of the cab and send it to totaxis@toronto.ca They will follow up with you and take action.

[–]TheRealMeatloaf 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (37子コメント)

So the cabs were more available / convenient. In a snow storm, after a major event.

You're upset that many of them wanted to charge a higher rate for service in such a situation.

What does Uber call that?

Oh yeah; surge pricing.

Do I need to post links to posts about Uber charging as much as 5X their normal rate during these types of situations or are you ok to search them yourself?

[–]beef-supremeLeslieville 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Except that Toronto taxicabs have a regulated rate they have to charge. They're not allowed to charge surge pricing for street pickups as per their taxi cab license. Instead they lock the doors, roll down the windows and only take whatever they consider to be good fares.

[–]DMat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Except that Toronto taxicabs have a regulated rate they have to charge.

And it's regulated at a high price so that all fares should be profitable. Instead drivers are essentially share-croppers, and whatever the regulated fares were, cherry-picking makes the difference between feeding one's family and being above-board.

[–]DrMikeTysonNiagara 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well than they should take that up with the city council.

[–]amnesiajune 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Except that Toronto taxicabs have a regulated rate they have to charge.

Not any more. The changes in the regulations that were made to reduce the disparity between taxis and Uber means that cabs can charge more or less than the city's set fare.

[–]beef-supremeLeslieville 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cabs can only charge a different rate for rides booked via their apps, not on street hails. That was one of their "wins" in the uber licensing.

[–]PurplebuzzParkdale 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes, but cabbies can surge price when they take booking through the app right? That was one of the concessions? So they are sitting on the street "Only taking bookings on the app while talking to passers by". They are doing what they are now allowed to do do because to Uber created surge pricing in the taxi market. This was the writing on the wall. Get used to it. Plus we now have uber. Why do we care what taxi drivers do at all? Take uber if you don't like it. We are fine with uber surge pricing. We are fine paying what the market will pay right? This should not surprise anyone. It is what we screamed we wanted from uber and to let them in. Uber and cabs should both be able to surge or they shouldn't. OP should have called an uber. Seems at the end of they day that was not an option and a taxi got him or her home. Taxis will get more concessions to offer flexible pricing under more circumstances just like uber because the market is now open to uber. It will only get "better" for all the people who wanted the uber model but wanted taxis to be heavily regulated in a restrictive way uber would not be.

[–]sP4RKIE 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha cabbies have been refusing fares for decades, long before Uber existed.

[–]austen_317 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They definitely aren't sitting there taking bookings through the app, they still take them by hailing they just do it illegally. It's been the same for ages

[–]Born_Ruff 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I personally like Uber's way of doing it a lot better. I don't want to walk from cab to cab in the middle of a blizzard haggling with drivers. I don't want the price set by whatever this random driver thinks he can get out of me.

I like that with Uber, I can sit inside, be given a clear price, and then decide if I want it or not.

[–]lucastimmons 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Don't let the facts get in the way of your agenda.

The cabbies are just doing it to be greedy and uber does it to get more drivers out on the streets.

If cabbies raising the prices meant more cabbies, it would make sense. But it's just more money, in their pocket, while breaking the code.

[–]TheRealMeatloaf 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (12子コメント)

The cabbies are just doing it to be greedy and uber does it to get more drivers out on the streets.

So, Uber don't take a larger cut of the "surge pricing" fare? It all goes to the drivers?

[–]lucastimmons 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (11子コメント)

No idea, but the higher rate is an incentive to get more drivers on the street. Uber might take a larger cut, but it does increase the supply.

When cabbies do it there's no increase in supply, just gouging.

[–]TheRealMeatloaf 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Just so I'm clear, Uber drivers deserve to be incentivized with higher pay in higher demand conditions (major events, severe weather situations) but when cabbies do it it's a case of "gouging", is that it?

So the Uber driver who was on the road anyways, does he benefit from the higher pay, or does surge pricing only come into effect for drivers who weren't on the road, but choose to sign on when demand increases?

I'm just trying to figure out exactly where the line between "fair business practises" and "gouging" lies.

[–]lucastimmons 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

No, you're clearly misrepresenting what I said. And it seems like you're doing it on purpose.

The line exists in the intent. When cabbies break the law to charge you more money, that's gouging. It's more money without changing conditions. They aren't doing it to deal with demand, they are doing it to take more of your money.

When uber raises prices they do it to get more cars on the street. They meet the increase in demand by attempting to add more supply. When there are enough cars on the road, the price goes back down. It's calculated and not arbitrary.

Hopefully that's clear enough for you to stop being deliberately obtuse on this subject.

[–]TheRealMeatloaf 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Deliberately obtuse? No, just trying to point out the double standard around here where cabs and Uber are concerned.

[–]lucastimmons 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yes you are being deliberately obtuse. It's not a double standard because the motives behind the increase in costs are not the same.

One is doing it to increase the availability of drivers, the other is doing it to screw the public over.

[–]vinng86 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It was mentioned elsewhere in this thread, but Uber always takes their % cut when the price surges, thus Uber also makes more money. If it was purely to incentivize drivers, then the drivers should keep all of the extra money from the surge pricing.

[–]TheRealMeatloaf [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Ding ding ding.

[–]lucastimmons [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Does it really matter if it's purely to incentivize drivers? It still incentivizes them. It still gets more drivers on the road. As opposed to cabbies who try to charge you more just to fuck you over because it's raining.

[–]TheRealMeatloaf [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

But does it not incentivise cabbies to stay on the road when they'd otherwise see no economic benefit to doing so?

Remember that when you apply a different set of standards to one organization than another, that displays bias.

Either surge pricing should be allowed in the passenger transport business or it shouldn't.

[–]lucastimmons [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

No it doesn't because they're already on the road. They're parked at the ACC. It's not an incentive to keep drivers on the road, it's an incentive to get new drivers on the road.

I'm not sure why that is so difficult for you to understand.

And as for your bias comment, I'm just advocating cabbies follow the regulations they agreed to when they became cabbies. Demanding higher rates and refusing to take trips because of length is both morally and legally wrong for cabs.

Ride-sharing is regulated differently by the city.

[–]whatistheQuestion 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unless you're a radio host of newstalk 1010, good luck getting any response from the cab company.

[–]jayloem 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well one km of uber would've cost you about 60 bucks during that time... Not saying that the cabbie should've tried to charge more, but it was probably still cheaper.

[–]BTCFinancial 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

next time tell the cabbie its a much farther destination then it really is, and once he starts moving, just say, "actually, change of plans" and proceed to give him new directions...

[–]coolinop 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm curious, do UBER drivers have to accept a ride when they are 'working'? I.e. are they given a choice?

[–]JohannesStrachanHumewood-Cedarvale 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They can turn down a ride, but they don't know the destination until after they accept. In theory, their decision is based only on your passenger rating out of 5.

[–]coolinop 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So essentially we are upset about being able to identify who will accept your ride and at what price.

(Regular) Cabbies have figured out they can discriminate by location, and introduce an arbitrary rate when demand is extraordinarily high. UBER just sets the expectations up front with surge pricing, with distance travelled being equal.

[–]JohannesStrachanHumewood-Cedarvale 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, but also we're upset that the cabbies want to use regulation as a shield 95% of the time and then not follow through on the quid pro quo the other 5%

[–]freshtablecream 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess you missed all the surge rates yesterday....

[–]boxjohn 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

MANY of the Uber drivers are former cabbies. The problem is, most of the good cabbies have already left for Uber or just plain left car services in general. If you're still a cabby in Toronto at this point, you're either incredibly stubborn or can't hack it (no pun intended) anywhere else.

[–]Khan-Drogo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry about your experience -- I know some drivers can be complete douchebags.

I talked to some of my family members (who drive for Beck) about it and they said that we can complain to Beck. The customer service department takes this very seriously. If you take their name/cab number/license plate, you can let Beck know.

Sucks that a lot of bad people ruin it for the ones that are honest and working hard to make a living.

[–]delaware 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

On the other hand, I've been turned down for rides by Uber before. One day I was running late for a job interview that was going out of the way and got rejected by three Ubers in a row.

Uber's business model is unsustainable and they are losing tons of money right now: https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2016/12/01/2180647/the-taxi-unicorns-new-clothes/

As shown in Exhibit 2, for the year ending September 2015, Uber had GAAP losses of $2 billion on revenue of $1.4 billion, a negative 143% profit margin. Thus Uber’s current operations depend on $2 billion in subsidies, funded out of the $13 billion in cash its investors have provided.

Uber passengers were paying only 41% of the actual cost of their trips; Uber was using these massive subsidies to undercut the fares and provide more capacity than the competitors who had to cover 100% of their costs out of passenger fares.

Their long term goal is to use investor cash to run enough competitors out of business that they achieve monopoly status. Then the rates are going to go up.

Not defending the shadiness of cabs but the conversation about Uber on here always seems so one dimensional.

[–]TitanM77[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Out of curiosity how did they turn you down? They should only know your profile score until they pick you up...

I agree that their business model is flawed,and over time unless their hubris changes or they lobby better politically they could be viewed as much more evil than cabs in the long run. In the short run they are showing that better service makes up for or masks a lot.

[–]amnesiajune -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

or tried to charge a "flat fee" double the cost of a normal ride of like 8km

Cab driver tries to charge you double? How dare they!

Uber tries to charge you triple? Free market, baby!

[–]TheRealMeatloaf -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol.. The downvotes of the circle-jerk have rained down upon you. I love it!

[–]ngtstkrYonge and Eglinton 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In this scenario you say that uber wins, but you still took a cab? Why didn't you just uber?? I'm confused.

[–]Auth3nticRoryMaple Leaf 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

hopefully the cabbies get is sorted. i don't want uber to win. I want a good balance between the two so there's healthy competition. the second it's 100% uber or 100% cabbies, we're all fucked.

[–]PurplebuzzParkdale -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Uber is winning because cabs are surge pricing in an informal way instead of the formal way uber does it? SUrge pricing is an uber invention that will naturally enter into the cab market and already is officially permitted in certain circumstances where as it is a free for all with uber. No one cares when uber does it so long as there is an agreement up front. Claiming it is ok for one group to do it and not another and claiming the one doing it is winning seems to me to be silly. People wanted a pay what the market will demand system. Getting pissy when the market demands more is the cost for that. Get used to it. Imagine what will happen to prices when the taxi market is really dead and don't expect there suddenly to be a bunch of new companies entering the market. Uber will eventually win and anyone wanting a ride will lose at that point. IF you think it is bad now, just wait. Why didn't you take an uber home again that night? Seems taxis still got your money and yet uber "won"?

[–]TheRealMeatloaf 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a big proponent that the cab companies should show us a world where we only have Lyft and Uber et al. Forget protesting, clogging up streets and all that. Just have a 24 hour period, mid-week, where every taxi cab stays parked at home.

Imagine how expensive Ubers will be when their surge pricing hits max and tilts, and how long people will have to wait. Imagine how clogged the TTC will be when suddenly everyone is packing onto the subways, busses and streetcars because they can't wait 3+ hours for a ride share car. (Incidentally, this would also be a great stress-test to show just how incapable the TTC is in general...)

I say they pick a day like say a Tuesday at 12:00 noon. Every cab will drop off whatever fare they have on board, turn off their lights and just ... go home. Don't come back on duty until 12:00 noon the next day.

Then we'd see how much this city needs full time, dedicated taxi cabs and realize that we actually should work out a fair system that allows every option to commuters to have a fair shot at earning a living and see how bad the utopian Uber vision really is when taken to the nth degree.

But then what do I know; I own a car. I'm just watching/commenting as an unbiased user from the sidelines.

[–]UseVoatEh -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How come none of this ever happens to me.

[–]entaro_tassadarRosedale -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So the cab asked you to pay surge pricing and you took Uber instead...

[–]TitanM77[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is AGAINST the law to charge extra as a cab. Also,please see the outright refusal problem as well, which had nothing to do with 'surge' pricing. There were two cabbies who wanted a flat fee, then 3 or 4 who outright refused.

So both are illegal but sure okay,using your logic only 50% of cabs asked blatantly broke the law and didn't even try to match the 'evil' Uber approach. I guess that's okay, 50% being total assholes.

[–]BestTorsoForward -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fucking hell. Thank you r/Toronto for the brilliant irony.

Paging u/ur-a-idiet to ask why we need another Uber thread?