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National Geographic's 'gender revolution' cover fails women (feministcurrent.com)

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[–]flapyourwings 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A "shifting landscape of gender" that somehow still centers male people...how truly revolutionary.

[–]generibus[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gender, under patriarchy, is not the “spectrum” so many well-meaning liberals claim, but is, as feminist activist Lierre Keith says, “a hierarchy.” Gender functions in our society to devalue those born female and systemically empower those born male. A true “gender revolution” would fight stereotypes that say girls are inherently drawn to wear pink dresses and grow their hair long, while boys have short hair and are “rough-and-tumble.” It would, in fact, challenge society’s idea of gender itself, acknowledging that some humans are born female and others are born male, but that this doesn’t mean one is passive and submissive while the other is aggressive and dominant.

Megan Murphy nails it as usual!

[–]glaneuse 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (34子コメント)

I dunno, this article is a bit TERFy.

[–]flapyourwings 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (28子コメント)

In what way do you find it "TERFy"?

[–]glaneuse 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Notably, "the supposedly “revolutionary” cover conveys the opposite message: that this male child must be a girl because he wears pink." The article continues to insist on using male pronouns and calling the child "a boy dressing like a girl". I'm as tired of gender essentialism as the next person, but misgendering a trans kid is just mean.

[–]flapyourwings 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (19子コメント)

What makes the child trans then? They have been transitioning since age 4. What does that even entail, and by what justification? According to the article, the parents are conservative assholes who didn't want to buy their male child stereotypically feminine toys. Liking princess dresses makes kids trans now?

[–]Seitse 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

After the child declared he [sic] “wanted his [sic] genitals gone,” Jackson did a Google search, which informed her that her child might be transgender.

Come on dude. It ain't that deep.

EDIT: Misgendered by accident.

[–]flapyourwings 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Not a dude, but hey, it's cool, I know misgendering is only violence when it happens to trans people. 👍

You'll have to excuse my suspension of disbelief when a parent claims their 4 year old "wants their genitals gone" when most 4 year olds think they pee out their buttholes. So mysterious how the story of the trans child and their heroic open minded family always invokes these same tropes the same way it always involves inflicting sexist bullshit on children like "you can't wear pink unless you're a girl".

[–]Seitse 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Oh jeez, I didn't at all mean to misgender you. I use dude neutrally often but I get you might not so I apologize.

Anyways, please explain what a pair of conservative assholes gain from ostracizing (?) themselves from their community by forcing their kid to be trans. Or is it so spooky to consider for a second that not all kids behave and think to your expectations?

[–]moonflower 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The problem is that it's impossible to know whether a child is born with an innate sense of what their reproductive system should be like, or whether they have used the logic of ''I like dressing in frilly dresses and painting my nails pink, and they keep telling me that only girls like those things, so I must be a girl - and they keep telling me that my genitals mean I have to be a boy, so I must have the wrong genitals'' ... it makes perfect sense, especially given that young children generally have no idea about different genitals until someone explains it to them.

[–]Seitse 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's fair, and I agree, from an outsider perspective, we can't know what's going on in that kid's head. But, at least from experience and having some suspicion that I might not be cis since I was a kid, I'd much rather she be wrong and realize when she's a little older and more aware of all this stuff that she is cis after all (and honestly dysphoria can kick in way before then anyway, I know it did for me) than have to go through the crippling dysphoria I did for 18 years until I finally accepted I was trans. Honestly though, and again from experience, kids should get more credit than they deserve on being aware of themselves and how they feel. Of course they don't know the exact terminology or the right words to use, but to imply they can't at all know anything about themselves is just silly.

I recognize that pink and dresses and dolls aren't inherently "female", don't get me wrong. Heck, I agree that liking these things aren't a concrete indication of not being cis. But instead of using that to say "well these dang kids can't know they're trans!!!", we could do much better continuing to spread the whole "these toys are for everyone and gender is dumb" discourse so that these kids can have one less possible false flag off the marker for whether they're cis or not. I don't know if I'm making sense with this last bit so by all means I can try to clarify.

[–]moonflower 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If every child who claims to be transgender went on to be transgender for the rest of their life, then the cause of transgenderism would be nothing more than a curiosity, but a significant proportion of children who claim to be transgender then go on to grow out of it when they gradually realise how they were mistaken ... so the problem is that a lot of children will go through irreversible alterations to their bodies with medications and surgeries during adolescence, and then regret it.

I have seen a lot of stories of transgender children, and never once seen a story of a little boy who says he is a girl who hates wearing dresses and hates having long hair and utterly rejects the gender role which is imposed on girls, like a lot of actual girls do. And this is making me suspicious of the theory that children are born with an inner sense of how their reproductive organs should be.

[–]flapyourwings 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe this is cynical of me, but I think some people would rather a straight trans kid than a cis gay one. Transgender visibility is the cool new way to virtue signal, you get tons of points for being stunning and brave, and you avoid having to awkwardly explain why your child is gender nonconforming and the inevitable fielding of insinuations that they might be a big sinning future homo.

[–]Seitse 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not sure what country you're from but it is absolutely way better to have a cis gay kid than a straight trans one where I'm from. Mind you, both are seen as degenerates, but to imply trans kids are suddenly more desirable to conservatives because society is being a little less of an asshole to them is ridiculous.

[–]glaneuse 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (10子コメント)

What makes you the gatekeeper, though? Why is it difficult to take trans kids at their word? Liking a princess dress doesn't make you trans; coming out as trans makes you trans. The kid came out as trans, so we update our pronoun use accordingly.

[–]flapyourwings 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not gate keeping anything. I'm commenting on a post on the internet. Do as you like, but what I choose to do is use sex-based pronouns.

[–]glaneuse 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It costs you nothing to use the pronouns someone asks for. It doesn't diminish your womanhood or our struggle to be inclusive and compassionate. From your perspective, what benefit is there to using sex-based pronouns? Is there a benefit to you? To them? To feminism? I just don't get how this lack of compassion is helping anybody.

[–]moonflower 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

You ask ''Why is it difficult to take trans kids at their word?'' ... the answer is because a significant proportion of children who claim to be transgender then go on to grow out of it when they gradually realise how they were mistaken

[–]glaneuse 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Kids are allowed to take time to figure out who they are.

[–]moonflower 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course they are - how does that negate what I said though? It's more like agreeing with what I said, that kids don't necessarily know what ''gender'' they are

[–]glaneuse 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In the meantime, it doesn't cost me anything to take them seriously, validate their feelings and build their trust in me and their confidence in themselves while they figure themselves out. Like, however unqualified they might be to put their finger on who they are, an outsider is doubly unqualified. Why waste energy being dismissive? How does it help them?

[–]triangleavenue 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You can totally take the time to figure out who you are as a person. But that doesn't change what you are.

[–]glaneuse 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, but also what's in your pants is none of my business?

[–]triangleavenue 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's because for the most part it's common knowledge like one's race (in most cases). I don't need to ask to know what's typically in someone's pants.

When a female becomes pregnant, is it suddenly everyone's business?

[–]Seitse 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

The fact that it puts transgender females in scare quotes is plenty telling.

EDIT: Also, the line where she says "a rainbow of genders but no women" like? Trans women ARE women ya doof.

[–]flapyourwings 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Trans women aren't female though. They're male. That's why they're trans.

[–]rachypeppers 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

THAT'S terfy. And quite incorrect.

[–]triangleavenue 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So biological sex is terfy?

Is it terfy that only one sex becomes pregnant? Is it terfy that reality isn't dictated by social constructs? That words themselves don't determine reality?

[–]flapyourwings 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought sex and gender weren't the same thing though. Or is that no longer politically convenient in pushing the current rhetoric? I can't keep up with these ever moving goalposts.

[–]magical_realist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This whole subreddit is pretty TERFy.

[–]thesun_alsorises -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

A lot TERFy if you ask me. I was so confused when I actually saw the cover, because there's women on it, then it dawned on me.

[–]triangleavenue 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

None of the women on the cover identify as women, and the two people who do are male.