I'm just going to wholesale quote /u/hansjens47,

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[–]hansjens47 2 points an hour ago

We thank the community for their assistance in putting these together!

This is not what you outlined you'd use the subreddit for.

It's disingenuous to shirk the expectations you set for yourselves as admins, especially after the response you've had from the other half of the dialogue.

You have your document for sharing. But the admins aren't going to allow mods to initiate discussions. The admins aren't going to run discussions on the topics mods initially said they wanted to talk about. The admins aren't going to use this as an arena to develop better community management that lets reddit's subreddits develop to more of their potential.

Broken promises paved with good intentions with a lack of follow-through. Frankly, that's what we have all come to expect of you as admins over many years, and over these last months.

Lofty promises, complete failure in delivering. What will it take for you to actually do something? Blackouts? Mods turning off bots to force your hand? Why antagonize the people that run your site for free?

Here's what you admins said you'd use /r/CommunityDialogue for at the outset:

For clarity I thought it would be helpful today to give a brief overview of how this subreddit will work in practice. We started with two discussions that we’re using a baseline to find where some of your bigger pain points are in order to start more in depth discussions on those issues. [...]

further:

After a couple weeks of those types of discussions we’ll start having discussions more in depth about specific issues. In those discussions we plan to work with you all to come to agreements that will help you mod more effectively, and help us be more effective in supporting you. Most likely, this will have a regular format: a particular issue, previously identified in one of the larger threads, will be laid out, and some potential language around it will be proposed. We can work on the language to try to come to agreement on some language that works for most people. At the end of this dialogue, we’ll take those agreements, create one or two overarching documents about them, and then share them with the wider community outside of this subreddit.

finally:

On a regular basis /u/kethryvis will post summaries and a bit of analysis of each thread, these will give us all insight into how we’re progressing as well as helping us reach our overarching goal of an agreement between us all.

Summary #1: What can we do to help you maintain your communities? doesn't appear to feature at all in this document.

Summary #2: What questions should we be asking mods that we haven’t so far? What about users? What questions should we (or you) be asking users? doesn't appear to feature at all in this document.

The main points from Summary #3: What does an healthy community look like? are barely and only tangentially incorporated in this document.

Frankly, you could have pre-written this document without this entire initiative.

If I encountered behavior like this professionally, someone would be out of a job. That's the stark reality.

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