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Difference between Carrick and Schneiderlin (self.reddevils)

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Can anyone please explain what the difference in playing styles are between Carrick and Schneiderlin? I have seen Carrick play but I haven't seen much of Schneiderlin.

Why can't Schneiderlin be eased into Carrick's role as a future replacement? Could this not be ideal?

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[–]saravicoleBlind 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

He doesn't have the critical thinking ability that Carrick possesses. His passing isn't as quick or clinical.

[–]TudoorsScholes -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Let me just say this. Carrick was not the same player he is today when he was 26.

Carrick was considered exceedingly poor prior to the retirement of Scholes. He couldn't pass like he does now. He was essentially a destroyer for Scholes.

Perhaps Schneiderlin just is not that good of a player.

[–]saravicoleBlind 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They are two very different players, what made scholes great isn't what makes carrick great. Carrick has always been the unsung hero of what was possibly our greatest and most successful period. He guards our back line, fills spaces, and cuts off passing lanes. He is also an astonishingly good passer and always has been, that's why Fergie paid so much for him despite what everyone was saying. He compliments a Scholes and Pogba type of player because of his positional discipline.

[–]TudoorsScholes -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

what made scholes great isn't what makes carrick great

I never said that. Not once did I compare Carrick to Scholes.

He is also an astonishingly good passer and always has been

He was not a very good passer until about 5 years ago.

He compliments a Scholes and Pogba type of player because of his positional discipline.

Positional discipline, sure. What is best about him now is not his defending, but his game dictation, something that he only gained with time.

[–]notorioustunechi 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah I remember he didn't set the world alight when he joined, we had Scholes tho who'd overshadow anybody in midfield. Can you remember when he used to get criticised for his body shape when he passes? "Passing Sideways" I think it was.

[–]TudoorsScholes -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. Now it comes down to whether or not Schneiderlin can do that in a midfield two or three. We don't have our Scholes replacement, so we definitely cannot afford that in a midfield two. A midfield three of him Pogba and a passing midfielder could work, but then we have to question, is that our plan for the future? If not then we need someone very similar to Carrick, and I don't know many players in the market below the age of 30 that can do that.

[–]earthtologan 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just my opinion, but one of Carrick's biggest strengths is his passing ability. He can push play forward with such ease. From what we've seen so far of Schneiderlin (albeit pretty little), he's quite poor at passing and I think it really sets him back from Carrick.

[–]notorioustunechi -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I agree along with his positioning when it comes to the defensive side.

[–]generalquarterDe Gea 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Carrick is an intelligent player and schneiderlin isn't. That's the critical difference.

[–]notorioustunechi 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Essentially Schneiderlin can replace Carrick as the position isn't defined by Carrick.

I'd say that they're pretty similar players apart from a few differences.

I've always thought of Schneiderlin as a more box to box type of player whereas Carrick isn't synonymous with doing that apart from when he turned into Messi against QPR a few years back.

Carrick relies more on positional sense to win balls back and when defending his positioning is usually great whereas Schneiderlin puts a lot of tackles in.

Carrick is a far superior passer he can hit a dime from 30 yards or start attacks with balls around the corner, Schneiderlin can pass but nowhere near Carricks level in my opinion, but he has it in his locker.

But again I don't think there's a massive amount of difference between them. Until you watch them and notice that what Carrick brings to the game is better than what Schneiderlin brings.

Note: I should also note, in terms of Schneiderlin what I'm remembering is from his time at Southampton as let's face it there's not much to go by as a United player. Playing for Southampton is a lot different to playing for United in terms of how the opposition set up and how much time you have on the ball.

[–]saravicoleBlind 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I like most of what you're saying, but if you don't think there is a massive difference between the two, then you're utterly lost.

[–]notorioustunechi 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I might not have described my point as much as I could.

I just mean if your look at their abilities and compared there won't be a lot of differences overall except in the passing department the thing that makes Carrick the better play? Sure in regards to what you're asking him to do. Schneiderlin was a really good player at Southampton but unfortunately hasn't done what he did there at us.

[–]sirwolfeyeCarrick -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You just can't replace Carrick. Most near replacement is Herrera.