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TIL The Luddites didn't actually oppose technological innovation, but destroyed machinery in protest of those exploiting their labour (smithsonianmag.com)

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[–]selver- 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yep, the Luddites were badass. Funny how the definition has changed.

[–]Eadwulf_Falaran 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's almost like historical propaganda recontextualised a pre-Marxist example of a revolt against the privatisation of the means of production to "dumb people who don't understand science n' stuff"...

[–]Sp00kTheBourgeoisnon-sectarian and sympathetic to the cause 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (5子コメント)

State_and_revolution_chapter_1_paragraph_1.txt

What is now happening to Marx's theory has, in the course of history, happened repeatedly to the theories of revolutionary thinkers and leaders of oppressed classes fighting for emancipation. During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it.

Edit: didn't realize this was /r/@. Hopefully you guys are ok with lenin spittin str8 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[–]-AllIsVanity- 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

More Lenin:

Socialism is nothing but state capitalist monopoly made to benefit the whole people.

[–]Sp00kTheBourgeoisnon-sectarian and sympathetic to the cause 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh I'm aware of your disdain for Lenin. I think it's quite short-sighted and ignorant. I think bringing up irrelevant ideological differences when uncalled for is dangerously sectarian. Why did you feel the need to voice your hatred for him after a perfectly innocuous comment?

Edit: When I typed my comment, they still had "We celebrate Lenin's death-day around here" at the end of the comment.

[–]Katzenscheisse 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is nothing wrong with "sectarianism". Anyone who still holds any sympathy towards the USSR or any of its puppet states hasnt received the news. Democratic Centralism is a failure and allways will be a failure.

Most of the time when Leninist claim to be "critical" of the past attempts of their ideology its allways just circumstances, revisionism, moral failures ect. never a hard look at the ideology itself.

Not to mention the shape that "anti-imperialism" takes in practice. Its a dead end it sucks up activism into useless and often counterproductive struggles.

[–]FiscalCliffHuxtable 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The kulaks still deserved it.

[–]giveviolenceachancetired of constantly changing my flair tbh 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

sectarian

>implying Leninists are socialists

[–]seldom-seen 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. I still claim the label of Luddite in its traditional sense.

Down with all kings, except King Ludd!

[–]originalpoopinbutt 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A disaster in some ways, a miracle in others. Most babies (in every country) live to see their fifth birthday nowadays. We cured polio and smallpox and measles. Everyone can read.

Does it make up for the horrors of the slums, and global warming, and sweatshops? Idk.

[–]Nipplestockings 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good video on the luddites:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNOxCh07hWw

[–]akejavel| syndicalist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can do nothing but heartily recommend the wonderful research blog Luddite Bicentennary for digging up some quite wonderful material and knowledge on the luddite rebellion http://ludditebicentenary.blogspot.se/

[–]pathofraven 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why not both? There were plenty of Luddites that rightfully critiqued the changes that were occurring in their lives, and Romanticism was likely at its height in England in the early 19th century. William Blake and his criticisms of the machines created by Newton's "single-vision" were quite influential at the time. Industrialism was developing hand-in-hand with a freshly-realized capitalism, there wouldn't have been a time where such criticisms wouldn't have seemed so obvious.

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[–]Tezcatzontecatl~ I maul cops and mall cops[S] 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ancaps react without reading the article, shocking

Edit: The top comment literally says "those speaking against capitalism on the internet are hypocrites. We would not have the internet without the invention of the telephone, the typewriter, the television, and the microprocessor, which are all products of the capitalist free market."

I cant even with these people

[–]halfback910 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm still waiting for it to arrive by carrier pigeon. I'm not going to read it on this foul, technomantic word processing machine.

[–]grapesandmilk 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're not even staying on topic during a conversation.

[–]interestingtofu 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

slandered as nutjobs by the powers that be.