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[–]negroyverdeAnarcho-Mad-Max 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why do MRA's have to be the main ones to be against circumcision? Circumcision sucks. Torture? Maybe not. But a vulgar denigration of an individual's body who is powerless to resist? Absolutely.

[–]MaievSekashiTrans 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because it kinda naturally falls under their mission statement. It's unsurprising they'd pick it up, it's just more of a shame other groups don't do so more.

[–]DJWalnutRevolutionary Alliance of Men that Women find Unattractive 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

because no one really focuses on men's issues except those jokers. most of it technically falls under the jurisitction of femenism, but they're too busy worrieing about other, but still important issues. /r/MensLib is doing a good job at being what we all wish /r/MensRights was like

[–]mangababe 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

So your telling me that MAYBE the idea that men are naturally more aggressive and need more sex might be sexual trauma? That rape culture could be largely impacted by this?

Actually, it makes sense. It makes a lot of sense. I may have to work on pulling a theory up for this.

Yo op- I dislike the mra/ red pill things other people see in your user history - but Idgaf if you want to have a decent conversation about how this could effectively destroy what we know about gender relations. For both sides...

[–]Valenmere 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It is a pretty awful practice that does harm. Any of you saying otherwise are scum who cant see fact

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    [–]Thinkmoreaboutit -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Cool. Don't force it on a child.

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      [–]Thinkmoreaboutit -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      If the child is healthy, it's a human rights violation to cut them.

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        [–]AsparagusFetish& feminist 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (57子コメント)

        MRAs can jump from a high place

        [–]mangababe -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        And this is why they hate us. This has nothing to do with his post history. Hell we tell me as we'll care about their issues when they can do it without woman bashing. I haven't seen any woman bashing yet.

        I'm a feminist but at least I can see the opportunity for an olive branch instead of setting that branch on fire.

        [–]emma-_______- oppressor of cis people 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        The entire Men's Rights Movement is explicitly anti-feminist. It's the reason they branched off from feminist men's groups in the first place. They're not the type of group you try to make peace with.

        [–]MaievSekashiTrans -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        That attitude is why you'll never make peace with them, ever, though. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy you'll never find common ground with them if you go into any discussion assuming you won't.

        [–]Ahhuatl 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I am not sure I follow - your logic is a bit like saying the only reason there is hostility between Fascists and the Left is because the Left doesn't try to play nice with them.

        [–]MaievSekashiTrans 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        It's not a logical statement, just me venting a bit. It just annoys me how close-minded and unwilling to listen a lot of anarchist society is. You can be nice and violent at the same time; Do things right in debate, and on the battle field, don't take a heaping dump on debating your ideological enemies in the idea it'll somehow make you better when it comes down to a fight.

        And recognise, for the most part, people aren't pure fonts of evil who subscribe to their respective groups because they just want to see everyone suffer. MRAs are not a homogenous group, and some people consider themselves that for reasons I'm sure many here wouldn't mind if they just used another label. I haven't seen anything really bad from this guy everyone is railing about, and he brings up a legitimate issue. Why can't we just leave it at that instead of turning to mindless "Fuck you MRA, fucking fash"? It's just feeding the ego that accomplishes nothing and gives ammo for people who hate anarchism.

        Basically, I just get pissed at the fact that many anarchists think that just because you're commited to militancy doesn't mean you can't also "Play nice" at the same time. Recognise people have reasons for their beliefs and convince them whenever the chance arises, and be violent when the need calls. Because I'm pretty sure you can't bash a fash through a computer screen, you might as well try convincing them when it's the only thing you can do.

        [/rant]

        [–]Ahhuatl 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I hear you to an extent but I would remind you that people are impacted in different ways by what you term an ideological enemy. For some these people represent existential threats to their personhood or way of life and consequentially a visceral reaction is warranted (even if it isn't ideal).

        I agree that the Right in general is not homogeneous and that a close-minded tone can't alienate people who could be swayed the other way. But at the end of the day if those who aren't evil are manipulated by those who are, there comes a point where reaching across the aisle becomes counterproductive.

        Just some food for thought, not disagreeing with you.

        [–]FreddyBananas 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (17子コメント)

        Fuck circumcision and fuck mras. Get the fuck out.

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          [–]Red-Menace-1917 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (12子コメント)

          I apologize for the hostile responses you are receiving, it's just that while we agree with you on your stance against genital mutilation of children, the "men's rights activists" aren't really anything they claim to be.

          Mainly their focus is to ensure their priveledge status in society as men. Here at /r/anarchism we see things a bit differently, mainly that the struggles that men do face are intertwined with the struggles that women and LGBT people face as well.

          Many of the self described men's rights activists don't take this position, and believe that they are oppressed and no one else is. This is how many justify their criticisms of feminism and LGBT liberation.

          However in doing so, the struggles that men face are direct results of patriarchy that force men into boxes of defined masculinity, removing their humanity. Arbitrary things are defined as masculine and feminine, and if a man wishes to do something deemed as feminine that is the wrong choice and they may face ostracization from their peers, family, etc. (Example: straight cisgendered man wants to learn how to ballet dance, or wants to cook, or learn to sew, etc. You do these things in certain cultures, you are now feminine and have failed as a man).

          It should be no surprise that most of the insults aimed at us as men are to equate us with homosexuals or women, such insults like pussy, faggot, queer, sissy, cunt, little bitch, pansy, you do X like a girl, queen, what are you a girl/faggot/woman, men don't cry, etc. We are insulted because we oppose arbitrary patriarchal rules that set to divide us as humans.

          Since our society devalues women and the LGBT members of our world, doing anything that even hints of something that typically these people do means that we are now inferior. The only way to liberate ourselves from this constrained box artificially created is to also seek the liberation of women and LGBT.

          So long so as we allow their maltreatment and disrespect in our society so long so we will be imprisoned by these actions as well. Basically no one can call us faggot if we think LGBT people are normal and not some disgrace and no one can call us a little bitch if we respect the dignity and autonomy of women. By working with them to end their oppression on their terms, we can remove the power that these words and societal expectations hold over us as men.

          That is why many users here are very critical to the MRA's, because they are only perpetuating the cycle of oppression in which they claim hate by ignoring the plights of other groups that they are intrinsically tied to. By ignoring these other plights, they are in effect giving power to those who chastise us for doing something outside of a rigid arbitrary box defined not by nature but by men.

          I hope this is a better explanation, perhaps you won't agree with me on anything, but at least you can understand where we are coming from and why we don't want MRA stuff here.

          [–]Remmus_Card 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Well said. Thank you for posting that.

          [–]Thinkmoreaboutit -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (10子コメント)

          I understand. I have very anarchistic views on things.

          I just post in those subs because that's where it gets the most attention, and even in those subs I get berated because genital mutilation is so normalized.

          Even here, in a radical space, mens pains and issues of being mutilated are brushed off.

          [–]decarabiaXVIIcrush all oppressors! 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          The issue is you keep prioritizing the feeling/health/privilege of males and that's your only focus.If you would stop and look around,realize that men are not the only people being shit on and other people have it far worse and use your position to not just soapbox injustices that only affect your "demographic" but everyone as a whole then maybe you wouldn't get shit on so much.

          [–]Thinkmoreaboutit -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Bodily autonomy is the focus.

          This does affect everyone. From medical fraud, to anatomical misinformation, to harvesting foreskin for medical and cosmetic products, to sexuality between sexes.

          It's a huge violation.

          [–]decarabiaXVIIcrush all oppressors! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Do you have more sources other than an article that is just an opinion piece with a few quotes and sources from sites like this from a doctor or psychologist who has extensively studied this and isnt biased politically/socially,you know for science.

          [–]Ahhuatl 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

          Even here, in a radical space, mens pains and issues of being mutilated are brushed off.

          You are going to have a hard time convincing people you aren't a MRA with that attitude. No one has brushed off the issue you are discussing, they are brushing off you. By misrepresenting the reaction you are receiving in favor of a "you don't care about men's issues" stance you both repeating the common refrain of the MRA and trying to convince your audience that they believe something they don't.

          [–]Thinkmoreaboutit -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Yes, they have, read the thread.

          It's literally in this thread and there are multiple posts pointing it out.

          [–]Ahhuatl 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          No. The only ones who dismissed the issue were obvious trolls and highly downvoted.

          [–]twitchedawake, I can't even describe it. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          From what I've read, most of us agree with you.

          [–]Thinkmoreaboutit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Maybe those just stuck out to me, but they're here.

          [–]dorvalorama| fight me 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (8子コメント)

          Fuck off MRA.

          [–]Thinkmoreaboutit 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (7子コメント)

          This is information for combating the mutilation of chlidren.

          What's your problem?

          [–]CheerwellI want to give a shit again 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

          What's your problem?

          Everything about who you are and what you stand for. That's our fucking problem, dirtbag.

          This thread should be about celebrating the mutilation of MRAs like you.

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            [–]decarabiaXVIIcrush all oppressors! 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            your post activity says otherwise bruh

            [–]Thinkmoreaboutit -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Like you've actually read the comments and not just the subs it's in.

            Not very smart of you to claim that without reading the contents.

            [–]decarabiaXVIIcrush all oppressors! 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            How is it not mra when all youve been highlighting and advocating has to do with baby male penis's? Where are your articles and groups that address' practices of vaginal mutilation? Im not seeing an single one. If your efforts are stopping the mutilation of children,whats with the exclusive focus on male gender?

            [–]Thinkmoreaboutit -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'm American. It's illegal to cut females in America.

            In every single culture that practices FGM, MGM is practiced. There is not a single culture that only practices FGM to my knowledge.

            Because the hypocrisy, that can be seen in this thread. People obviously know FGM is bad, but condone MGM or don't see it as an issue.

            [–]cies010 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (37子コメント)

            Thanks for the info. I think this is a really big issue in many societies around the globe, easily overlooked because people may be to much into their traditions.

            [–]Thinkmoreaboutit 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (36子コメント)

            Aside from America, and Israel, hardly anyone mutilates babies.

            Most of the world is intact.

            [–]arushanator 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (31子コメント)

            mmm false. most muslim men are circumcised, as are many, many, many different groups across Africa. Yes, it is genital mutilation. Does it impact a person's ability to have a functional and meaningful sex life and life in general? No, not really, especially in societies where everyone has it and it's not a big deal. I don't support it, but it's low on my list of fucked up things in the world

            [–]Thinkmoreaboutit 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Not false.

            I said BABIES. They're not done as BABIES.

            Yes, circumcision is VERY damaging. It is a HUGE problem.

            Please learn anatomy and stop dismissing the victims.

            http://circumcisionharm.org/gallery1.htm

            [–]Nipplestockings[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (7子コメント)

            If it doesn't impact people in our societies why, as it says in the article, does it increase rates of sexual dysfunction by 450%? And why do you think viagra is so popular in the US? I would encourage you to read the facts listed at the end of the article for a fuller understanding of the traumatic impact that circumcision has on men and the role it plays in creating and maintaining patriarchy.

            [–]ieatpussy69minimalist communist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            And why do you think viagra is so popular in the US?

            You're just assuming that's related to circumcision because you feel like it's true. Every time I read something cringe worthily stupid on this sub it's 90% coming from you nipplestockings, you're a dumb motherfucker.

            [–]Thinkmoreaboutit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            It makes sense that damaging the genital organ would lead to early onset ED.

            [–]ieatpussy69minimalist communist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            In science we call that a hypothesis

            [–]Thinkmoreaboutit 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            It completely changes the way that sex is supposed to function.

            It's birth trauma that radiates outwards.

            Circumcised penises facilitate rape.

            [–]arushanator 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            viagra is probably popular in the US because people, especially men, are sexually repressed and out of touch with their emotions and needs as sexual beings, and do things like reify The Penis as the ultimate Satisfier and Conqueror of Sex, which is exactly what anti-circumcision folks are doing in this thread.

            to be clear I am pro-choice, pro-wait till you're older and decide, don't force it on babies. But circumcision is not bad in itself necessarily if you have a healthy attitude toward sex.

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              [–]hellotowel 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I think thinkmoeaboutit is right here. We can all agree gentile mutilation is wrong. That's all he's saying. When he starts saying things that we oppose, then tell him why he's wrong.

              [–]giveviolenceachancetired of constantly changing my flair tbh 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Does it impact a person's ability to have a functional and meaningful sex life and life in general? No, not really, especially in societies where everyone has it and it's not a big deal.

              this is blatantly false

              [–]arushanator 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              you really think you know what constitutes meaningful sex for something like 1/2 the world's male population? What is blatantly false is the idea that there is some ideal of what meaningful sex is that is the same for everyone, and that if you lose a small part of your penis you are precluded from experiencing meaning and pleasure in sex.

              I am on board, let people decide for themselves when they are old enough, if they wanna get circumcised. But don't suggest that there is some natural or normative penis that is a prerequisite for real sex.

              [–]Thinkmoreaboutit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              It's not small.

              http://imgur.com/r/wtf/lKxVfxj

              You need a lesson on anatomy on how the penis has evolved for sex.

              What is the Structure & Function of The Foreskin? (Circumcision) - 19:20

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                [–]giveviolenceachancetired of constantly changing my flair tbh 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                no one gives a fuck what you think about how it looks it's still mutilation

                [–]twitchedawake, I can't even describe it. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                I didnt say it wasnt.

                And I care about how my dick looks.

                [–]giveviolenceachancetired of constantly changing my flair tbh 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Good for you, but please don't have a dismissive attitude towards the whole issue just because you don't personally care about it. MGM can be extremely traumatizing for not only cis MRAs but also DMAB non-binary people and trans women.

                [–]twitchedawake, I can't even describe it. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                It wasnt so much dismissive as me stating a preference for physical looks. I also like dyed hair but im not advocating anyone or anything be forced on people nor am I condoning the animal testing many dye manufacturers utilize. You lot are the ones insulting me for it.

                But fine. Though fuck mras.

                [–]Thinkmoreaboutit 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                That's fine. Sexual preferences shouldn't be carved into babies.

                Not sure what's attractive about a scarred, dried out, less functional penis though.

                [–]twitchedawake, I can't even describe it. 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                I agree, but youre makin' a lot of assumptions there and are coming off as a jerk.

                [–]Thinkmoreaboutit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                What assumptions?

                [–]twitchedawake, I can't even describe it. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Well here youre making assumptions about someone's genital appearance, youve accused me of promoting mutilation because of a comment and said preference for its appearance, and in other comments youve remarked about impotence and sexual dissatisfaction of circumcised men as if they were facts.

                Youve made good points and I agree with them, but youre being a real asshole about it.

                [–]mangababe 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                Jesus Christ it's not about looks.

                [–]twitchedawake, I can't even describe it. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                I didnt say it was.

                Also, you post a lot on /r/childfree.

                [–]Thinkmoreaboutit 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                I think it looks better without a turtleneck.

                [–]twitchedawake, I can't even describe it. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                I said a preference on a physical attribute. I didnt say appearance was the main goal of the action nor justifies it.

                I also said that my opinion on the practice was similar to the above commenter:

                • Yes, it is genital mutilation. Yes its bad and should end.

                • no, i dont think it has major impact on society compared to numerous other horrible practices and disfigurements.

                • I don't support it, but it's low on my list of fucked up things in the world.

                What i dont appreciate is you twisting my comments to suit your narrative.

                So go fuck yourself with your own uncircumcised cock, jerk.

                [–]Thinkmoreaboutit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Why are you dismissing a legitimate complaint of genital mutilation?

                This is exactly why people go to mens rights because they are shamed or disregarded.

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                [–]Thinkmoreaboutit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                America and Israel are really the only people that mutilate babies at birth massively.

                Compare the population size to the percents.

                http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats8.htm

                China alone has 1,378,561,591, with a less than 1% rate.

                [–]cies010 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I think even small numbers in a society are really worrying. Just for the numbers, here yo go:

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_circumcision

                [–]Thinkmoreaboutit 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Yes, what a society does it it's children, they do to other people :(

                [–]chargingrhino 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                I know a guy who had to be circumcised at 26. He says that the glans does build a slight callous and isn't quite as sensitive but otherwise he didn't notice much difference.

                [–]Red-Menace-1917 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                And that's fine as his choice as an adult. But to force this on children when there is no medical reason? I am not too sure if that is acceptable.

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                  [–]twitchedawake, I can't even describe it. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  I thought the arguement was about infant mutilation.

                  So now the thing is against circumcision period, regardless if a consenting adult chooses the procedure?

                  [–]giveviolenceachancetired of constantly changing my flair tbh 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  I'm gonna hide this thread because discussing MGM with dismissive, ignorant, and inconsiderate people is too triggering for me but before I do I just want to say that I'm glad to see other anarchists calling attention to it for what it is instead of just writing it off as "MRA bullshit" or whatever.

                  [–]Thinkmoreaboutit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Thank you. And I'm sorry. I fight this daily everywhere. It's terrible.

                  [–]giveviolenceachancetired of constantly changing my flair tbh 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  You know if Foregen has made any more progress? Last time I checked they were about to do an experiment with bull foreskins or something.

                  [–]laketown666 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  People need to stop using the term "mutilation" when talking about this. It makes you look fucking stupid. It's a procedure. Is surgery mutilation? Because I assure you when I was circumcised it was done in a sterile environment in a hospital. It's a stupid tradition and I won't be doing it if I have a son but just stop being so hyperbolic. Fucking alarmist MRAs.

                  [–]Thinkmoreaboutit 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Cutting a healthy infant is mutilation. Doesn't matter where it's done or what costumes the people are wearing.

                  [–]DuckHorseDuck 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  In some countries FGM is performed in a sterile environment in a hospital. In other countries MGM is performed in the same unsafe, unsanitary conditions as FGM.

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