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[–]FeSpark 282 ポイント283 ポイント  (38子コメント)

~shudders~ who brought forced funerals to the table? When did that become a part of the argument?!

[–]isperfectlycromulent 375 ポイント376 ポイント  (26子コメント)

People who think the best way to keep women from having abortions is through shame, and not comprehensive sex education.

[–]FeSpark 104 ポイント105 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Maybe one day they'll stop relying on shaming woman to get the response they want from us. I'm not a fan of abortion but forcing funerals steps into a different topic all together

[–]drfeelokay 155 ポイント156 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I think the issue is that funerals aren't required after the deaths of adults, so imposing them exclusively in the case of fetuses seems like a very transparent move.

[–]FeSpark 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I agree, that's the biggest reason it's so disturbing. Other than the other reasons it's so disturbing

[–]BoosterXRay [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What's also disturbing is legally mandating that someone has to pay for this "service".

[–]AnotherComrade 90 ポイント91 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Miscarriages, too. That's the fucked up thing, you can not like abortion but you can't tell a woman not to miscarry, it kind of just happens.

Not to mention it is a traumatic experience for some women. I can't imagine going through this after I miscarried. It terrifies me.

[–]halfdoublepurl 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It goes hand in hand with the miscarry investigation bill proposed in Indiana. They think that if women aren't allowed access to safe, legal abortions that they'll do it under the table and claim it's a miscarriage. So, in the eyes of the crazies, you have to treat miscarriages as abortions just in case. It's a despicable way of thinking, but par for the course.

As someone pregnant in Texas, I have panic attacks sometimes about something happening to my baby. But it's less about the fear of something actually happening to him and more about how the health system will treat me during and after his loss. He's theoretically viable these days, so the terror of presenting in extremely preterm labor and being told they can't do anything because that would be facilitating an illegal late term abortion has eased. But if his heart suddenly stopped, I don't think I could afford the associated hospital and now funeral bills combined.

[–]mydaddyisadrunkass [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Here in Texas a D&C is now referred to as an abortion. What used to be my miscarriage has been reclassified. That was an interesting conversation with a nurse.

[–]Baron164 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (4子コメント)

What's this "sex education" you speak of? Condoms and birth control are the work of the devil! Abstinence is god's way. /S

[–]HemoKhan 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Even abstinence isn't 100% effective if you're a Christian.

[–]CharlottesWeb83 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love when republicans say that it works and it worked with them. No, what worked was that you were the same unbeable a hole in high school and couldn't get a girl to sleep with you, no matter how hard you tried.

[–]bardorr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I live in a city in east Texas. Next to a park (on private land), there's a small 'cemetery.' The sign reads: "In memory of all the babies that have been aborted", and it's a bunch of fake crosses for pretend gravestones. It's weird.

[–]karnata 588 ポイント589 ポイント  (24子コメント)

One thing to note:

The rules also apply to miscarriages, though not to those that take place at home, according to the state health department. 

I had a miscarriage and a resulting D&C. The fetal tissue was sent for testing and then incineration. I am 100% okay with that. I would not have been okay all with the idea of a "burial" taking place. If I wanted to bury my child, I would have. Not left it to some stranger.

Edit: I know the burials will be clinical, but still.

[–]whatismedicine 228 ポイント229 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I am sorry for your loss. I am also sorry that lawmakers with a political agenda are using your loss as a pawn :(

[–]Tzipity 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's mindblowing that someone other than the woman whose body it came from would be making the decision. So bizarre. My mom had an ectopic pregnancy and a D&C to take care of it a year or two after I was born and my parents actually wanted a burial I guess (they were working with a social worker because they underwent fertility treatments for me, my brother, and this child and I think she may have suggested it to them or at least helped them find the place that would allow it). They had a hard time finding a cemetery that would even do that. I don't know what things are like now and ironically the cemetery the remains ended up at is catholic (ironic since obviously they were against the abortion and the IVF that lead to it! Family isn't catholic either) but doesn't seem like something many people would elect to do it (especially if the abortion wasn't for medical reasons, like miscarriage or ectopic pregnancy. Scary though how much harder all these twisted abortion laws must make it for so, so many women who need the procedure for those kinds of reasons. Ugh).

I'm sorry for your miscarriage too. I'm sure that was unimaginably rough on so many levels. No one should be dictating to women in these situations what should be done with the remains.

Hope you've been able to heal, emotionally and physically and thank you for sharing your story. I feel like people often forget how many women need abortions for medical purposes and I just imagine it makes it all the more harder to have some clueless group of male politicians dictating aspects of it all. Ugh. Glad you got to make the decision for yourself.

[–]AnotherComrade 125 ポイント126 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I went through this as well. In Texas. I'm getting the fuck out, this state has stolen so much from me and it's not about to take anything else.

[–]I_Fart_On_Escalators [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I also have miscarried. I can't imagine the government imposing even more grief on me than I was already experiencing. Just gross. And something like 1/3 women miscarry in their lifetime. What a way to treat women.

[–]not_doing_that 937 ポイント938 ポイント  (102子コメント)

Here's what these lawmakers don't get, you can abandon bodies. It happens all the damn time. And it's actually really easy to do. You can't force someone to do final arrangements. So if they start trying to charge these women for funerals and shit, they are going to get a lot of abandoned aborted fetuses on their hands. And you know who pays for the cremation/funeral for abandoned bodies? Taxes. The trustee, who gets allowance from the state to handle abandoned and poor people, who can't afford a proper burial/cremation. (I can't imagine the system is too different from my state, and this is how it is where I live.) It takes time to prove that a body is abandoned too.

Have fun with that Texas.

[–]sonia72quebec 485 ポイント486 ポイント  (15子コメント)

I'm sure those nice Religious people will pay for the burials. /s

[–]fencerman 333 ポイント334 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Maybe they could pay for the funerals with all those taxes that churches pay.

[–]Swabia 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Nope. They'll ferment their voting base by saying that the abortions cost them so many $$ per year. It's a way to stay in power over a non issue that the politicians turn into an issue so we're not paying attention to what they're doing.

It's just another slice of the onion.

Keep in mind, Texas. These republicans just set up a system that won't work to spend your money on something the people who would ostensibly benefit from do not want. They will make you pay for it. That's your representation. They have no intention of removing abortion. If they did they'd follow the science and make birth control easy and available.

[–]Elm-tree-time 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly, citizens who are uneducated and in economic ruin always vote Republican, so Republicans do everything they can to keep their constituents suffering.

[–]cutspaper 99 ポイント100 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Can I mail my Kotex to Texas?😀

[–]bunnysnitch 100 ポイント101 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Do all men need to have funerals for every time they jack off? Edit: Came off sassy, I was going with your joke, because I thought the same thing as you when I heard this. Also I live in Texas :o halp.

[–]cutspaper 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hahaha! I love your comment! Sassy is good. We need the sass to fight off the stupidity in all our respective states!

[–]lollies 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe not "can", but "should".

Someone I know who is morbidly obese has been trying for years to have children but her weight affects her ability to maintain a succcessful pregnancy. Who knows how many conceptions failed because she was overweight? Same for the anorexic girl I worked with. Maybe they're technically commiting crimes now. Maybe all women should post their tampons and pads to the governor for testing, just to be sure they are having legal periods.

[–]Gunkspargle 107 ポイント108 ポイント  (14子コメント)

From my understanding, it's the clinics that have to pay for the burial. But I'm sure they'll pass that charge along to the woman somehow.

[–]LordFauntloroy 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well that or go out of business..

[–]apennines 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Either one would make the legislators very happy.

[–]Tzipity 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

And there's so few abortion providers already. Ugh. There is the post above about the woman who had to have one because of a miscarriage and my mother had to have one due to an ectopic pregnancy. It's so frustrating how these people see absolutely no nuance and are basically a bunch of old men telling women what to do with their bodies.

[–]socialcommentary2000 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Make no mistake: There are a disturbing amount of women on that side of the issue as well.

[–]Onespokeovertheline 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's their goal. To excessively burden the women so they can't go thru with the abortion, and failing that, to burden the clinics until they go bankrupt and are forced to close.

When the religious right-wing can't legislate away your rights and freedoms, they turn to eliminating the availability of the channels where you can exercise them. It's standard operating procedure.

[–]not_doing_that 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Doubtful. When someone is abandoned at the hospital, the hospital doesn't pay for their cremation. The trustee does. Should be the same process for clinics unless Texas is really off the ranch. Which is possible bc they passed this bs thing.

[–]FatCharlie236 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (5子コメント)

What estate will an aborted fetus have, that a trustee will be able to bill the cremation fees to it?

[–]not_doing_that 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (3子コメント)

They don't. The trustee pays for it. Same with homeless people and other abandoned bodies. The state will pay for it.

[–]UghYetAnotherAccount 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Every time you say "the trustee pays it" I picture Kramer saying "they just write it off, Jerry!"

[–]mokutou 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Frankly I can see them amending medical consent papers to "force" women to pay for it as part of the deal.

[–]puss_parkerswidow 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which leads to collections agents calling you about your unpaid fetal tissue burial...gah!

[–]gingahh_snapp 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think I might love you. Thank you for perfectly explaining in one paragraph how stupid this is.

[–]mercutio1 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes and no. The healthcare facility at which I work has dealt with "abandoned" bodies and there is a cost incurred by the entity left holding the body. If it becomes a common issue, that will be reflected in the cost of services, creating an additional barrier on the front end of things, as it were.

[–]JohnGillnitz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You would think the Texas Funeral industry associations would love this. Nope. Funeral Directors all over the state are ringing alarm bells. Currently, many facilities will do a miscarriage cremation or burial pro bono for those that want it. Make it a law to have one, and their costs go up exponentially. Especially since a good majority of people this happens to can't afford it. They end up paying for this fundamentalist horse shit.
It is unconstitutional anyway. The whole scam is to provide wing nut welfare to anti-abortion attorneys on the tax payer dime.

[–]clickclick-boom 164 ポイント165 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Can the embryos be used for stem cell research? I think that would be a better use of resources than this mean-spirited clusterfuck of a law.

[–]Baron164 100 ポイント101 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Wait, you want people to do something scientific for the betterment of all mankind? That's heresy, you must be the devil!*

*Typical conservative response

[–]refrain2016 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Funny thing, lots of embryos are destroyed annually in the process of IVF treatment. Never heard a pro life peep about it.

[–]ChippyCuppy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's because IVF is for people with money, people like politicians and their church friends. People with money can also still get abortions because they can afford it. And they do, Christian or no.

[–]BioformJane [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A couple of assholes in Louisiana are suing on behalf of embryos trying to force the mom to implant them so they can be born. http://www.today.com/health/sofia-vergara-sued-her-own-frozen-embryos-t105728

[–]ElolvastamEzt 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's one of the problems with this legislation. It not only adds layers of expense and emotional distress, but also the requirement of cremation or burial undermines the ability to use the fetal tissue for medical research.

This one law attacks abortion rights as well as scientific research.

[–]anillop 274 ポイント275 ポイント  (40子コメント)

Come on Satanists you know you want to sue over this.

[–]smilbandit 229 ポイント230 ポイント  (38子コメント)

[–]anillop 273 ポイント274 ポイント  (36子コメント)

You know things are a little fucked up when Devil worshipers are your best bet for resisting invasive government.

[–]arrsquared 297 ポイント298 ポイント  (23子コメント)

Just in case you are really not aware, the Satanic Temple don't literally worship satan, they're secular humanist/rationalists, who most certainly called themselves that because it would be the most impactful with religious folk when they (satanists) are making protests for equal treatment.

[–]xchaibard 242 ポイント243 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Plus, it REALLY pisses the religous nutters off when Satanists demand equal treatment to Christians and such on government property and buildings.

Is a small town government going to put up a cross somewhere, or a bible verse or statue?? Cool, Satanists demand a pentagram as well, or a satanic bible verse, or statue of Baphomet under equal protection. Normally, what happens is the entire plan is abandoned, which is their actual goal.

Stuff like this makes me love these guys

This one's also hilarious

[–]quatraine 87 ポイント88 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh I was in a debate with a guy one time who was bent out of shape about a fine Christian woman being discriminated against. So I flipped the story around to where a devout Muslim was demanding the same 'religious exemptions' and asked him how he felt about that.

Radio silence.

[–]polynomialpusher 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It really points out their hypocrisy nicely.

[–]Queef Championplaymethesongoftime 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Obligatory hilarious Satanist guy

It's an act, but it's golden as fuck.

[–]xchaibard 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Holy shit, I hadn't seen that.

I was on the floor for the first part, he dropped the 'notice me sempai' and I died. Call the morgue.. I'm ded.

This guy is amazing.

[–]Queef Championplaymethesongoftime 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

He's got a few others - one from comic con, another from an Arby's news bit, a masquerade ball. But for some reason this is the one that sticks out to me. Love it.

[–]Bobby_Marks2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Jesus Christ that guy is priceless. He needs to do video game voice overs.

[–]loumatic 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude the mark dice YouTube video linked on that page is hysterical. I had never heard if that idiot but I about fell out of my wheelchair laughing at that video

[–]CharlottesWeb83 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can they open up schools that people can use their vochures for?

[–]2074red2074 112 ポイント113 ポイント  (9子コメント)

They are just as serious about their religion as pastafarians. Except instead of parody, they go for direct opposition. That's why they picked Satan. It literally means "the opposer".

[–]Viridian9861 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (7子コメント)

As a certified pastafarian minister, I am offended.

[–]Xtrasloppy 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm sorry, pastafarian? People worship pasta? Are they currently accepting members? Take my money.

[–]SpaceJamSucked 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

Have you been touched by His noodly appendage?

[–]Xtrasloppy 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have not, but when he does, I will not press charges.

[–]Bandro 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When you're a deity, they let you do it, you can do whatever you want. Grab 'em by the noodle.

[–]badass over hereCirota 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Meanwhile, Texas is also cutting funding for disabled kids.

Could they make it more obvious that they are pro-birth, not pro-life?

[–]lillbich 254 ポイント255 ポイント  (50子コメント)

Should I bury my cum too?

[–]holyshmoke 144 ポイント145 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Even better - should I bury my menstrual pads and tampons every month? There could be an embryo or a miscarried fetus in there!

[–]microcosmologies 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (3子コメント)

A funeral for every lost child.

[–]Yodiddlyyo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't really have time for a hundred million funerals a day :-/

[–]Halp. Am stuck on reddit.yourshittyaesthetic 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (8子コメント)

No, that's what boxes are for.

[–]lookin4som3thing 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That box needs to be cremated.

[–]Halp. Am stuck on reddit.yourshittyaesthetic 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Imagine the smell. Burning semen in a box.

[–]BorneOfStorms 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The guy tried. Said it smelled like hell.

[–]=^..^=Apple_Crisp 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No no no, we have upgraded to a cum room now.

[–]the_visalian 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's more of a Wall of Shame, really.

[–]West13579 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (3子コメント)

My ex boyfriend and I used to have mini funerals for used condoms "RIP little babies!" "Wave goodbye to your kids!"

[–]Siburria 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every sperm is sacred

[–]kazog 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (10子コメント)

One genocide a day will keep the stress away.
But seriously: are pro-lifers opposed to male masturbation too? Because lets be real: we are slaughtering them by the millions.

[–]DietPepsiEvenBetter 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course pro-lifers aren't opposed to male masturbation. There's no way to make women feel terrible about male masturbation, so why waste their time?

[–]OUT_OUT_0UT 174 ポイント175 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Wow this is super invasive and disrespectful to the mother's religious beliefs. What a terrible imposition. This must be unconstitutional!!!

[–]Sabuleon 85 ポイント86 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah but they're trying to drive the point through that it's about the fetus's rights or respect, not the mother's.

I have no clue why they think the fetus would "want" what they're proposing, though, as though religious ceremony of any particular sort should be the norm...

[–]wxsted 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (5子コメント)

What rigts does a fetus have beside no one? I thought you weren't legally a human until x hours had passed from your birth.

[–]Sabuleon 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with that, but what these legislators are trying to do (IMO) is turn the fetus into a person before its birth. Doesn't matter that anyone thinks different, they think their opinion of it should prevail.

[–]flee_market 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's interesting that you think the United States Constitution means anything to Texas lawmakers.

[–]EMFuzz 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm curious how long it will take to rule as unconstitutional. I'm not sure what the process is for this, but I assume it won't be around for too long...

[–]Baron164 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your assuming a sane Supreme Court without a right-wing conservative judge majority due to Trump.

[–]mistake_not_ 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Assuming the Supreme Court agrees to hear the case, even an insane right-wing court couldn't let this law stand without completely upending current jurisprudence regarding the abortion right.

As of Whole Woman's Health v. Hellerstedt this year, any law limiting the abortion right cannot impose an undue burden on women without a proportionate health benefit. Cremation has nothing to do with either the woman's health or the health of the fetal remains.

I can't imagine even the most conservative justices throwing out the existing framework for determining the constitutionality of abortion regulation. That's not only a risky move, it would be the exact behavior that most of the conservative bloc railed against in their dissents to Obergefell.

[–]williamsaysthat 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is asinine as hell. Fun fact a couple of years ago the U.S. air force dumped dead and wounded soldiers body parts in the dump. Where was Texas then? But freaking skin tissue for people who never existed need burials? Complete nonsense.

[–]DBerwick 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is what we call 'Pure Ideology'

[–]son_nequitur 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not really. I would call it "Pandering to hysterical people who are desperate to avoid thinking about real problems". There's no real ideology behind it. Abortion? Gay marriage? Muslims? Shutting down state programs? Corporate tax breaks? Military interventionism? There is no ideology behind all of that. It's just corporate welfare plus whatever they need to do to stir up their base.

[–]no_your_other_honour 160 ポイント161 ポイント  (25子コメント)

The state's Republican governor, Greg Abbott, approved the legislation. He said fetal tissue remains should not be "treated like medical waste and disposed of in landfills."

What if I want that done to my own body when I die? Is that not my right?

When I die they can first plunder all my organs for those that need them, then they can use what is left for medical research, feed whatever is left to the homeless and if there is still something left, throw it in a dumpster.

Not everyone to begin with comes from a culture where burials and cremations are the norm? Why is mummification not an option?

[–]nervelli 128 ポイント129 ポイント  (17子コメント)

I don't think medical waste is just thrown in a landfill anyway. According to wikipedia it is normally incinerated, because it can be hazardous. Ya know, kinda the whole reason it is classified as 'medical waste' and not just 'waste.' Because just dumping it in a landfill isn't the standard practice.

[–]Sir__Hippo 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (2子コメント)

So there is a possibility the majority of fetal tissue is already cremated! The law works, God truly is almighty

[–]OtherKindofMermaid 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I don't think medical waste is just thrown in a landfill anyway. According to wikipedia it is normally incinerated, because it can be hazardous.

So would that fulfill the cremation requirement?

[–]Oni_Eyes 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (10子コメント)

It's not 'spiritual' enough. They need to have a priest on hand to bless the furnace.

[–]OtherKindofMermaid 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (8子コメント)

That would cost extra. Crematoriums normally just have some dude sliding the box in and hitting a button.

[–]Xtrasloppy 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Can we have the priest/rabbi/shaman hit the button? Two birds, one stone.

[–]OtherKindofMermaid 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Be easier to just have all the crematorium workers get ordained online.

[–]You are now doing kegelsEblumen 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you're on to something.

[–]whatismedicine 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol it absolutely cannot be. You have to put it in special containers and biohazard companies destroy it. This is just your standard anti-choice BS.

[–]Newbdesigner 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I demand a Tibetan sky burial. Feed me to the birds.

[–]quatraine 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (4子コメント)

And here I am....in Texas...my 3 yo son has been on an Early Head Start waiting list since May. 😒

Fuck post birth fetuses I guess.

[–]beehphy 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Soulless. They only care about the concept of a person, not the actual person. I think Reggie Watts said it best:

"I like women I like women I like the concept of a woman I like to take that concept and reduce it to an object I like to take those objects and put 'em in my videos Have them shake they jiggly bits so they looks like hoes"

[–]the_Underweartaker [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As soon as they're born it becomes their own fault that they don't have a good job and a 401K. /s

[–]SuperSaiyanSkeletor 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why can't they just do fucking research on the stem cells. :( breaks my heart to know all those experiments that could be don't won't be

[–]sarahsaturn 85 ポイント86 ポイント  (16子コメント)

There's no way there aren't a bunch of Republican legislators meeting somewhere to discuss the roundabout ways they can make abortion illegal again - ways to make it more expensive, make it take more time to get an abortion, etc., because why would they think to do this sort of thing otherwise?

[–]freakincampers 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I mean, if they want to eliminate body autonomy, I'm sure forced organ donation would be a quick way to reinstate body autonomy.

[–]InnerObesity 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Just to be clear, you mean forced organ donation before a person dies, correct? Because that's what bodily autonomy refers to. Even if you can survive without one of your Kidneys but Bob over there can't, no one can force you to give up one of your Kidneys. From a legal standpoint I believe that's why abortion is legal. When a fetus is considered "alive" is irrelevant because at no point can someone be told what they can and can't do with their organs.

(I just wanted to clarify because some people hear "forced organ donation" and just assume its mandatory to be a donor when you die, and would be okay with that)

[–]son_nequitur 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's exactly the plan. Except they really don't give a shit about abortion. They care about three things: 1) winning elections, 2) stopping the democrats from doing things, 3) corporate subsidies and tax cuts. In order to do #2 and #3, they need to do #1. In order to win elections, they need something to say they are going to do. Since their real goal is to fuck with democrats and give subsidies to corporations, which are not generally popular, they need an impossible promise to make to voters. Something the democrats will never allow, so that when they fail they can go back to their voters and say "see, we tried!"

Abortion is perfect for this. It's something people will always want to do, and democrats will fight tooth and nail to protect the right to do it. Republicans just have to sign unconstitutional bills, liberals take them to the supreme court to get them shut down, and then Republican congress people can go back to their constituents and say "See! We tried!" They get re-elected, and can do another round of preventing democrats from doing anything.

Then, when some of their corporate donors come looking for a handout, they can force corporate tax breaks and subsidies on the democrats, who are so desperate to get anything passed that they allow it.

[–]NewRepublicanz 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (7子コメント)

What the fuck?

I'm pro life and the religious right are turning the pro life movement into a shitshow. Instead of doing shit like this let's focus on actual ways to prevent abortion, like better and cheaper means of contraceptives. Teach kids about sex and quit making it "bad". If the sperm doesn't hit an egg then no abortion is needed.

Like I'm sure not many women are going out there and tallying how many abortions they've had to go through. It's an exhausting process mentally and I doubt women are just sighing up for it. So now making them bury the baby they most likely never expected to have? Horrible.

[–]CharlottesWeb83 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If only the entire prolife movement were like you. Instead of anti abortion be pro- sex ed, pro - helping woman and babies AFTER birth, result would be less need for abortion. Instead they want abstinence only, no healthcare, and you're own your own after birth.

[–]gingerly_said [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

They don't want to focus on how to prevent unwanted pregnancy because they think people shouldn't be having sex before they're married. It's all religiously based mumbo jumbo that even they don't adhere to. They just want to cry 'small government' except when it comes to a ladies hooha, in which case, let's get all up in there and legislate the shit out of it.

Also, we don't want no welfare babies seems to be their battle cry. It's pro-birth, not pro-life. You can't be pro-life if you stop caring about people out of the womb.

[–]whitedevilwhitedevil 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just bury the fetal tissue in Greg Abbott's front yard.

[–]Baron164 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't bury it in his yard, mail the fetal tissue to him so HE can dispose of it according to HIS religious beliefs.

[–]ssjumper 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sharia much?

[–]gingerly_said [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, it's ok, because Christianity is the right religion. Don't worry about us infringing on your rights, we're helping you. /s

[–]FernCerrid 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is one of the most at shit crazy things I've read so far today...and the most cruel act to impose on a woman, obviously a form of punishment

[–]Shermcity92 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Go to the lawmakers houses and bury the dead bodies there.

[–]gengarshadowfairy 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (3子コメント)

This law better be beat. I mean can you imagine an impregnated rape victim having to dispose of a fucking fetus... I dont even care if it was just an accidental pregnancy, this is 2016! Does religion really have this much power over politics still?

[–]puss_parkerswidow 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's also such a ridiculous pretense too, like they pretend they care about babies while they gut all social programs, punish low income women, and ride their moral high horse...who do they think they're fooling?

[–]Drachefly 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (4子コメント)

What if someone wants the fetal tissue cryonically preserved so the baby could be healed and raised in the future?

[–]cold_leftover_rice 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Frozen cyborg zombie babies from the future? No thanks.

[–]Drachefly 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, in the future, from the past (now). But not from the future, anyway.

[–]Xtrasloppy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

...I just keep picturing that doll headed spider ...thing. ..from Toy Story. But I'd rather raise it than Sid...

[–]Can-Haz-Seekret-Targ 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How is this not government overreach that conservatives constantly gripe about?

[–]philosiraptor 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hi Texas, welcome to Indiana

[–]ObsidianEther 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All the problems in the world and people are concerned that fetal and embryonic tissue receive funeral arrangements. Am I correct in assuming that this includes when abortions and miscarriages happen so early they are just a mass of cells with little to no resemblance to a human being?

[–]FightingFairy 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So instead of using viable stem cells that could save and better a multitude of other lives we're gonna MAKE you spend the money to cremate or bury this fetus.

Land of the free bitches.

[–]Eternasphere 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm pro life and this is stupid as fuck

[–]wingknot 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

These are the type of news that make feel embarrassed to say that I'm from Texas. Makes us look like we are all obsessed with abortion.

[–]Brrringsaythealiens 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sorry, I try to respect cultural differences but this is just dumb.

[–]Indoors_type 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Lol, nobody takes Texas seriously except Texans.

[–]VeganPropagandist 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (13子コメント)

We've got the best barbecue. And the worst legislature/electorate. :(

[–]anomalyk 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We have no BBQ and arguably worse legislators. --Ohio

[–]dont_know_what_i_am 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

We've got the best barbecue. And the worst legislature/electorate. :(

Not true, NC BBQ is better, and our asshole passed HB2. Top that Texas!

[–]corgiroll 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (16子コメント)

I wonder how they would enforce this? What would the doctors that perform the abortions do?

[–]PizzaRollsAndWeed 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I mean, what if the woman can't afford the burial services? Would she not be able to get the abortion part?

[–]lumpyspacesam 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Either the cost will fall on the woman, and many women of lower socioeconomic status will not be able to afford it. Or, the facility will foot the bill, which many won't be able to afford, and will stop performing them. Its all an effort to make abortion less acessible, but in reality it will only affect women who can't afford to pay for the burial or go get one in another state.

[–]wtf_shouldmynamebe 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

So is that really the point behind all these laws and rules? I've been giving anti-abortion people more credit than they deserve if that's the case. It's one thing to be morally adverse to abortions but it's entirely another matter to be only morally adverse to the poor people having access to abortions.

[–]puss_parkerswidow 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, being so disingenuous about their end goals, and disguising this as " women's health" and " public safety" is a liars game. If someone is against abortions due to religious reasons, yet ok lying about it, how are we supposed to respect that?

[–]ythms2 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Does it specify the type of burial? Like could someone with limited funds take it home in a shoebox and bury it out the back?

[–]fabledlamb 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Almost as if that was the whole point, huh?

[–]DearyDairy 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'd like to know if this extends to medical abortions. Are funeral directors going to be confused when women start bringing in bags of used pads? Are we supposed to sort through the mess and pick out the tissue we think is embryonic and separate it from the uterine tissue?

I know the article says it doesn't include miscarriage at home, but women undergoing a supervised miscarriage still use the same methods to manage the bleeding.

[–]wtf_shouldmynamebe 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It sounds like it encourages women who cannot afford the costs for burial to avoid medical assistance in hospital if they miscarry.

[–]DearyDairy 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly! It's also going to lead to increased grief and regret with women having less freedom to choose how they lay those tissues to rest. Personally I chose to treat my miscarriage like a normal period, that was incredibly therapeutic to me, I couldn't do that If I was forced by the government to burry or cremate the tissues. That's not how I personally saw my situation.

Likewise, will women who do want to burry their lost child have freedom to choose a ceremony of the right faith? A burial location that aligns with the mothers beliefs?

[–]calineko 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Am I the only one who is more concerned by this now:

<<"treated like medical waste and disposed of in landfills.">>

Forget fetal material. Medical waste is in general biohazard, it should not go in a landfill on the first place. That would sweep in the watertable .... scary.

[–]isperfectlycromulent 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Consider the source material. He probably doesn't know medical waste is already incinerated ... I mean cremated, and I bet he doesn't care either.

[–]MeanMelon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea I was confused as to why they were insisting on making this a thing. Wouldn't they incinerate all tissues anyway.

But well, of course, the point is to further shame women who decide to get an abortion, so...

[–]SarcasticShark1312 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Also following your logic. Masturbation must be a sin as us gents are kissing a hella of a lot of what you define as babies. As many as a million per tea sooon

[–]OtherKindofMermaid 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This comment was very confusing until I realized you meant for it to say "killing," not "kissing."

[–]RunawayHobbit 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just assumed he was referring to gay men ;)

[–]Countrygirl2015 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I used to date this guy, he wasn't religious to start with (partied hard, all that stuff) Later on he tells me that men masturbating is a sin, because they were wasting seed. Did I mention we were OTW to a BAR while having this conversation? And, he was expecting sex later...hypocrite denied! I told him that premarital sex was a sin, so I couldn't possibly subject him to such a thing. He left my house cussing.

[–]cosmothekleekai 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You likely dodged a bullet that would have destroyed the rest of your life. Better that came out early on than 15 years later.

[–]holyshmoke 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well technically I believe the pro-lifers think it's not a life till sperm meets egg, which still doesnt explain why they want to bury fetuses that have been aborted but not every woman's menstrual blood that may or may not contain embryos, or every zygote created through IVF that doesnt get utilized.

[–]whatismedicine 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lol the whole zygote through IVF thing is actually quite the hot topic about the super religious. I think. Catholics of America is actually officially opposed to IVF because of messing with God's plan and leaving these embryos in limbo when they are "lives". They definitely are super against the whole frozen embryo forever thing.

[–]rolabond 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

my main issue is that there are other options that are apparently being precluded, the tissues can't be used for medical research and maybe some women would want that.

Regardless what is the difference between cremation and the incineration of medical waste? Wouldn't hospitals be doing what they are already doing just with a different name?

[–]Baron164 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see a rise in at-home medically induced abortions over the next couple of years. Especially if woman can order the drugs they need from India or some other state.

[–]THE_DOWNVOTE 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wonder how far we're going to have to come before people start to fight back.

It is your right to do what you want with your body.

[–]jollyjack 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does this mean we have to bury or cremate our tampons or pads now? Just in case?

[–]cicelycicely 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Since an early term miscarriage often presents as a heavy period, everyone should send their used pads and tampons to Greg Abbott's office. I'm sure he will be happy to arrange the funeral.

[–]S_words_for_100 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I just cant think of a good reason why conservative politicians care even a little bit about anybody's fetuses. What is their angle? Do they Need babies to come to term for some reason i can't think of? It's really driving me crazy that i can't see it.

[–]Baron164 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As George Carlin once said "Once you leave the womb, conservatives don't care about you until you reach military age. Then you’re just what they’re looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers."

[–]Its_bigC 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They should go to stem cell research

[–]kazog 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

AKA: the guilt trip law.

[–]glitterglue_ 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

so glad i got the fuck out of that god forsaken state.

[–]burgerpantz 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh yes, stunt STEM cell research, not like any of us diabetics need a resolution for our autoimmune diseases over here.

[–]CharlottesWeb83 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Considering they want to take away healthcare from millions of people, I would guess they couldn't care less.

[–]burgerpantz 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

True, true... Unfortunately. What a horrible time to have pre-existing conditions in our country.

[–]AbsolXGuardian 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Argh. They're litteraly giving a women less rights over a parasite(it is a parasite. It's humanity has nothing to do with definition) than their own living child. If your child ends up on life support, not only can you pull the plug you can request for every single piece of usable tissue to be used for medical/research purposes and the rest be treated like medical waste. This can all be done with never consulting the child when they weren't in a coma.

[–]ColScimitar 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They should make a law requiring men to do the same evert time they ejaculate. .......

[–]StellarMetamorphosis 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What would China do? Imagine a Texas smack in the middle of China.

[–]thatserver 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a man living in Texas, this law is bullshit. These legislators don't speak for anyone but themselves.

[–]cosmothekleekai 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't get why every female that has the funds doesn't just leave the state. Instead they not only stay but vote FOR the politicians that do this. Infinitely higher quality of life in California but very expensive, Colorado is progressive, rad and much cheaper than CA. I guess from my perspective, if the govt started making all these laws that were directly against my being I'd pack my shit and fuck right off to pay taxes to a govt that wasn't full of dickheads.

[–]Zenith43 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Jobs, family, friends, mortgages, lots of different reasons.

And as somebody living in Texas, we need all the sane people we can get to stay here and help turn this thing around. Elections here look more encouraging every 4 years. Just give it a bit more time and the ignorance will be defeated.

[–]jslingrowd 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What a great way to export females out of state.

[–]Mephistopheles13 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

WTF is wrong we people. Stem cell technology is changing our world for the better!

I understand you want to be human, but your being extremely inhumane when taking control over someone else's body.

[–]Aaronmcom 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Be a real dick and when they ask you what the name is to bury it.... "Abortion Rules" put that on the gravestone

[–]MagnusTheGreat 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So how much land will end up being used for this?

Will there be headstones? Coffins? Ceremonies? Or will there just be a dirty hobo with a shovel digging shallow tiny holes and dumping fetuses in each like potatoes for next years harvest?