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I have just resigned in protest. (self.conspiracy)

9000sins が 投稿

I am no longer a moderator of /r/conspiracy. I have decided that this is what is best for me after seeing the state of this place and the total disregard of the rules by (some) of the mods. I am not going to call anyone out specifically, but way more than half of the mod team is in favor of allowing EVERYTHING to flow through this place and have absolutely zero content moderation. I am not a fan of removing content myself. I believe a lot of subs fall victim to overmoderation, and in a place like this you want as little of that as possible.But allowing everything to just flow through here is a recipie for disaster. Let the votes decide is the rallying cry for a lot of people here. I can get behind that 100%, but we need to stay focused and on target here. I am not attacking anyone here in this post so please don't remove this based on that basis. I just think the users of our sub deserve to know these things. I am no longer your "gatekeeper" as some would put it. I only wanted what was best for this sub and everyone involved. I will take this opportunity to say that I am going to be working on new projects that will probably require a lot more of my time than I can devote if I am busy with moderation duties here. I want to start a documentary film. I want to do things to be more active in the conspiracy investigations circle. I want to really make a name for myself and not just sit behind a computer screen typing my opinions to the world. I am going to be the change I want to see.

I hope that this place does well with the current mod team. One thing I can tell you for sure is that they won't censor your content at all. And they are usually pretty reasonable about comment removals as well. I wish you all the best. I love you guys.

<3

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[–]Sabremesh 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (26子コメント)

The regulars here will know that although /u/9000sins is a long-standing mod, he has been virtually absent for the last 3 years. Then, 3 days ago, and without any discussion with the active mods, he approached the site admins and asked to be given control of /r/conspiracy....citing the fact that our most senior mod /u/illuminatedwax has not been active for over a year.

https://np.reddit.com/r/redditrequest/comments/5gxsuc/hello_i_have_been_a_moderator_of_rconspiracy_for/

Although /u/9000sins explained to us later that he was doing this as a gift to the sub, it is fair to say that the other mods were not convinced by this explanation. The current mod team work by consensus and mutual trust, and Sins' rogue action was a breach of that trust.

A vote was underway to demote /u/9000sins in the mod order and suspend his privileges, but he saw how the vote was going and decided to resign instead.

[–]4esop 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

yup I'd say this is pretty interesting considering the recent post history

[–]voodoohoodoovoodoo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The fact that his first post after returning is about romerules?

[–]9000sins[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Lol I have always believed the Vatican does more than charity and praying. I have nothing against romerules except they are really quick to brand someone a jesuit cotrolled operative even if they did something as innocent as attending mass as a child.

[–]buttermouth 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Holy cow, this is insane. /u/9000sins explain yourself. Why did you suddenly become active again? Why didn't you talk to the mod team before creating the subreddit request? How can we be assured you are the same person you were three years ago when you were active? Why should we believe anything you say at this point?

[–]wrines 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the answers to these questions r obvious:

He likely is NOT the same person who created the account, and likely is part of the systematic takeover of all reddit subs with any psy op or political exploitative potential. Has already happened on several other subs and is an open secret already. My own feeling on the behind the scenes puppet masters are us alphabet agencies, fairly recently passed regulation explicitly allows exactly this behavior and activity. But we dont have to play their game, it has been exposed. For now strongly suggest move to voat and gab, longer term a new platform might be needed

[–]TheGhostOfDusty 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You can safely disregard anything that mod says about this, IMO. He is disrespectful of the sub's rules and mods in opposition to them if he feels like it.

[–]kybarnet 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've helped manage other 'controversial' subs, and this is essentially how 'shill' take-overs occur. Long story short, often 'shill takeover' is less 'paid shills' (though they are in the mix), but essentially a question of mod power vs reddit / social power. 9000sins is essentially saying reddit power has become derailed and mod power needs more authority.

So what happens in 'shill' take over (the long of it), is that 'bad information' starts to corrupt or degrade a sub. 9000sins is almost certainly referencing pizzagate, but let's discuss 'memes'. Memes start making front page, degrading sub, along with shit comments.

This forces mods to make a decision : 'allow it' or 'don't'. Though Conspiracy ruled allow it, many people choose the 'don't allow it', model. Now once you choose 'don't allow it', the question because who decides what is or isn't allowed? Then this becomes a game of votes, seniority, and fear mongering (this is a big thing with mods lol... or 'rulers' - the idea of 'peasant uprisings', and so on).

Does any mod feel more info should be allowed? They are part of the Peasant Rebellion! Ban / Strip them immediately! Are votes not going your way? Invite more mods to swing the vote, and echo chamber! Do I have top authority? Rule in a chaotic fashion, and 'revamp' the sub! and so on...

I'm not saying 9000sins was shilling or anything like that, but that his actions could have lead a path toward what users call Shillary but really is more a kin to 'a series of bad decisions', which is partly caused through paid bots or shills, but is primarily caused via the hierarchical mod structure, reddit's support of bot / gov disruption, and current mindset of 'war of mod vs users, users vs shills, mods vs shills', instead of say... a better model or platform.

I support a very, very low removal policy, and I would have likely agreed with the Conspiracy mod team at large. The reason being NOT because I don't feel 'branding' or whatever is important, but because I don't believe (especially in a sub like this), I could trust myself, or anyone else, to know remove content in a proper manner. There is simply too much to look through, and the ultimate criteria for removal would come down to 'I am familiar with this, or I am not familiar with this', and having mods remove everything they are unfamiliar with ends up being a LOT of shit, and discourages aggressive info hunting.

I've seen a few subs get totally destroyed (participation wise) through even low amounts of user post removal + high bans. However, some mods would argue that low participation is a good thing, so long as the quality of the sub is preserved, but personally I'd say there is too much opportunity for personal bias when one (or very few) decide what is this 'quality' you are 'preserving', and for whom?

I guess the reverse metaphor is the neighborhood bar overrun with outsiders. Do you ban them and say 'jock / hippie speech' is no longer permitted, or do you adjust in some other way? Many do the former, which creates us vs them discussions ad nauseum.

[–]9000sins[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have to put it out there once again. I believe pizzagate is legit. But it's also a radioactive mountain of garbage. Anyone willing to hold it or dig through it in a public setting is bound to get sick. I guess that is the best metaphor I could cobble together for this comment, but pretty accurate. Why not store the radioactive material in a separate facility and inspect it there? This was my argument.

[–]kybarnet 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As it applies, Wikileaks sub went through the same thing - without getting into too many details, we essentially decided to Denounce Pizzagate. I likely would have agreed with something 'akin' to your thought process. However, reddit straight banned /r/pizzagate, so it's hard to give them a community since reddit won't allow it. I'll just say I understand the predicament. Like ~70% of the front page of Conspiracy is Pizzagate, but this wasn't an issue while /r/pizzagate was active.

The most socially accepted policy I've used for this process was locking 'repeat' threads (say the 3rd thread discussed Pizzagate) while sticking a comment linking to the current 'hot' pizzagate thread, as well as Voat for further discussion (which isn't even in your sidebar).

In either case, it's a tough decision to arrive at via mod mail, emotions, yadda yadda.

[–]DawnPendraig 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow that should have been mentioned in his resignation post. I don't know what to think except to see he hasn't addressed these accusations. The silence is deafening as the saying goes. Thanks for sharing your perspective

[–]wrines 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Translation: "reddit is a festering pile of governmental takeover shit behind the scenes, and they have now begun the move to this sub."

I suggest, with a heavy heart, that all hands abandon ship and move to voat and/or gab. Reddit is toast for those who wish truth and free speech

[–]podesta_the_molesta [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Holy crap, it's like a conspiracy within the conspiracy sub. This is way too meta for me

[–]Dhylan 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am sure I speak for a lot of us in saying that I very much appreciate the fact that you have given us a valuable insight into what is really taking place here. Thank you.

[–]PStuLovesCrackk 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (34子コメント)

Guys, he's right. Most of us who have been here long enough have seen what's left of r/conspiracy slowly heading south. There has been a influx of complete and utter shit posts sometimes which makes this place looks so disorganized and retarded. I'm am 100000% for complete transparency but there has to be some kind of moderation of shitposts. One of the biggest shill tactics is to shitpost just they like T_D and what ends up happening is all the real quality post don't get the attention they deserve. I think it would be a good idea for mods to do a stickied posts for open discussion of the future moderation of r/conspiracy

[–]9000sins[S] 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (14子コメント)

+1000000000000

[–]sipofsoma 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Would you be interested in starting a new conspiracy-related subreddit? I'm not sure what your position is on the whole pizzagate thing, but I've been mostly disgusted by the "conspiracy" and the types of people promoting it as basically confirmed fact from the beginning. Anyone who doesn't see the overwhelming amount of confirmation bias involved with that conspiracy just hasn't been around long enough, imo.

I started seeing the downward spiral of this community leading up the election when it was getting flooded with the most absurd bullshit from SpiritCooking to "HRC is a cannibal!" to "Podesta brothers kidnapped McCann", etc. I can't even tell anymore how many people here are just trolls and how many actually believe the tabloid-quality nonsense that makes it to the top of this subreddit.

I've been trying to gather more like-minded people within the conspiracy community to break off from this subreddit and form a new community. Let's get away from the Alex Jones-types and Trump supporters. And also get away from the religious nutjobs that see "satanists" everywhere they look.

[–]ready-ignite 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The technology sub experience is a relevant case study to weigh outcome of potential strategies.

When news of domestic spying broke the sub was heavily manipulated both from within the mod team and comments to disrupt conversation (nod of appreciation to creq for helping restore some room for conversation out of that mess). It looked like an earlier model of the type of activity we're seeing through CTR or other groups aimed at disruption. After the initial disruption there was a longer term campaign to divide the community and split it out into multiple other subs. To some degree argument can be made that this approach was successful in splitting and dividing eyes away from a concentrated forum information could be shared quickly, and SOPA-like organized response could be coordinated.

Don't have many solutions for the problem but it's worth discussion and some thought at what splitting out of a community might accomplish.

[–]sipofsoma [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I completely agree that it's a problem worth discussion, and there are pros and cons that come with splintering a community after it reaches a certain size. Having been around Reddit for ~9 years, and Digg for a few years before that (and IRC prior to that), it seems almost every semi-popular community/subreddit eventually reaches a critical mass where content quality begins to degrade.

In the case of r/conspiracy, however, I think it's due to a combination of factors recently that has led to this point. Certainly the recent elections is a big part of it, with many people looking for a refuge of more open-discussion to counter the censorship and echo-chamber of places like r/politics. But just like OP mentioned in this post, I think the extreme non-censorship route this sub has taken is a major factor. As a result, this sub has become a refuge for any member of any other community who felt they were being unfairly censored for their possibly "fringe" beliefs. Those types of people all gather here and celebrate the fact that they can basically post whatever the hell they want (though there are some rules still being enforced). This also opens up the opportunity for trolls to take advantage of the same non-censorship for their own lulz.

TL;DR: This is just what happens when a community of THIS size tries to operate purely on upvotes/downvotes alone as a measure of content quality. As the quality begins to dip, the former active members/contributors just decide to move elsewhere rather than wasting time downvoting 90% of the submissions to keep the content in check. And we're left with the wasteland of bullshit that we see today. I understand the argument for non-censorship, but it's just VERY difficult to make it work in a community this size if you want to keep content quality up. The only other option is to splinter the community when it reaches this level.

[–]godlameroso 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Robert Anton Wilson type conspiracy? Where we focus on the banksters and bilderbergers? How about the trans dimensional reptilians that infiltrate our minds and plague them with illusions? I think satanic child trafficking fits in there somewhere. And some Antarctica hollow Earth stuff? How about some Hexagonal poles of Saturn, or some sacred geometry stuff? Like what's up with that rhombic dodecahedron tho?

Or of course we can't deny the Government black ops stuff, like the using of cyclotrons to irradiate cancerous tissue to be able to induce it in humans. And the mind control stuff like that Darren Brown makes his show about.

And on and on and on.

[–]sipofsoma 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Robert Anton Wilson is my favorite writer, and the person who originally got me into the world of conspiracy theory after reading Illuminatus! and his Cosmic Trigger series. I appreciate his approach to the subject because it's very open-minded and he's able to humor the more ridiculous stuff without ever taking himself too seriously. He just has an incredible wealth of knowledge on very diverse subjects and a brilliant ability to interweave everything and make the connections. Another thing I loved about RAW was his approach towards things like the occult, where he actually does his best to educate both himself and his audience towards what that world is truly all about. So many others in the conspiracy community approach a topic like the occult purely by distancing themselves away from it and just assuming it's something sinister rather than diving into it themselves to try and get a better first-hand understanding. RAW got me interested in Aleister Crowley to the point where I actually read several of Crowley's books and became much more understanding of his philosophy rather than just seeing him as the caricature of "wickedest man in the world".

Personally, I just prefer a community of people who have better judgment regarding what constitutes "solid evidence". People who don't allow themselves to become dogmatic in their beliefs on ANY topic that we simply can't know the truth about. People who actually stop to consider the REAL-LIFE consequences of accusing potentially innocent people of being child sex traffickers when there's absolutely no real evidence to support it.

It just feels like this place has been overrun by either children or trolls who don't understand or don't care about the facts or the reality of the consequences of their words/actions. It's very reckless and immature, and it's definitely gotten out of hand recently in my opinion.

[–]godlameroso 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm no anime freak but I remember this one episode of ghost in the shell SAC where the chick is investigating the laughing man, and she's in a virtual forum. I always wanted this place to have that sort of vibe, where different informed people bounce around different points of view in hope that they can start to tie all the information together. I suppose that's more of a think tank than anything.

[–]chickyrogue 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i think this is exactly what pizzagate is turnin into at voat

[–]9000sins[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah I would love that. I have already started one for planning my documentary.

/r/9000sins

I started that sub years ago as a junk sub. Maybe we can start putting some content there.

[–]Arcadian_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Subbed.

I'm not an investigator. I don't do any work uncovering stuff other people put weeks into. But I do care about the truth, and I will be watching, sharing whatever I can.

[–]iwaagh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If you create a sub like this, I'll sign up for sure.

There must be a place where "conspiracy theories" can be discussed, and that is between total skepticism and total bias.

(interesting trend correlation that give you a clue of how people talk a lot but reseach little... or what truly interest them: http://imgur.com/a/WSnvx)

[–]Swiperfoxx -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Watch it get infiltrated as well. These same people are everywhere nowadays. They jump from pol, to T_D, 8pol, here, stormfront, GLP, ATS, Voat, etc etc etc.

[–]jpmullet -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

gtfo then

[–]9000sins[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see that Srd has found this post. /s

[–]Hooman_Super -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

+1

[–]THE_LORD_HERESY 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

An open discussion would be a good thing.

[–]chickyrogue 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

THE LORD HERESEY

Happy Sunday Lord [where have i heard THAT before ;0]

[–]THE_LORD_HERESY 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What's good with you CR?

You probably heard that at one of those fancy clubs you have to visit every Sunday. You know, the ones where they have baskets of money floating around?

[–]chickyrogue [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

i have never been invited into any of THOSE clubs but i am glad to see you ... this has been a crazy sunday the mod at CST is insane and we have lost 9000sins with the kool eye of horus

feels like every sub is turning to shit ... are you having this same feeling TLH?

[–]freedomofaction [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

THEN YOU PERSONALLY SHOULD SUBMIT BETTER POSTS. I'm not afraid of the free flow of information. Can we be the sub that removes NOTHING? I'd much rather do that.

[–]meta4one [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What a bullshit, no legs argument.

[–]FeminismIsAids -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is the actual biggest shill tactic to be honest. I have never seen this problem, I've only seen people cry about it when in reality it wasn't an actual issue.

[–]soullessgeth -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

no go take your ctr shilling elsewhere, you guys lost...

[–]Flytape -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

We have several mechanisms in place for moderating shit posts.

The important thing is that those mechanism don't judge the content itself. A 9-11 meme is just as unacceptable as a flat earth meme, as a lizard people meme.

[–]KinglyWeevil 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Not all shit posts are memes, unfortunately

[–]Flytape 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

That was just the example I used. We have a list of rules on the sidebar.

[–]TheGhostOfDusty 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Which are disregarded and undermined regularly. The mod team is a "feelings" based operation at this point. You guys literally tell users in modmail "we do not remove things that a user submits in good faith", like you are a coven of psychic wizards. It's led to the sub looking like a SCREAMING TABLOID, TO THE TOP!!!1! WHAAARRRGARBLE!

[–]iwaagh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It does look like a very bad tabloid. You need to look at the "controversial" tab for now on. That's where the interesting stuff is, or some at least.

[–]Flytape -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think the election is why the sub looks bad right now. Nothing more and nothing less. It will pass.

[–]TheGhostOfDusty 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

nothing more

I disagree. Naive ideologues bullying rational mods in modmail for enforcing the rules is a serious problem. Promoting salacious 4chan originated witch-hunts in the side-bar doesn't help the sub either.

[–]iwaagh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's because "some guys" messed up their own subs and don't like the pro-pedo ads they get on voat. So here we go!

[–]TheGhostOfDusty 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No you don't.

[–]RedditIsPropaganda28 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

voat.co

[–]chickyrogue 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

its a good hang and many less troll cept for one saturday bout two weeks ago

[–]Lost_boy_Takanawa 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (4子コメント)

This sub is unlike any other sub. Zero moderation works best for /r/conspiracy because of the very nature of our cause. Any and all analysis of any subject is to be allowed. Who is anyone as a moderator to decide what the community should or should not discuss? Why would any true conspiracy theorist want any material pruned at all? Isn't that why the vote system was designed in the first place? Let us all decide on what's relevant, together. Everyone has something to contribute when on the earnest journey of finding truth.

Furthermore, this vein of ongoing chatter about how this sub has lost its way, or "heading south", IMHO, is just another shill argument. If you want to see better posts, then make it your business to create better posts. Instead of spending time complaining, start posting more of what you want to see and allow the community to self-adjust.

A small group of individuals do not get to decide for me what is or what isn't a shit post. I will think for myself and use the vote system.

Promote what you love instead of bashing what you hate. For all of us baby.

[–]chukklhed 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I report "flat earth" "and "Lizard people" posts as content that does discredit to the conspiracy community.

[–]Beneficial1 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How often do those get to the top?

[–]podesta_the_molesta [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Why? Those are conspiracies as well and should be allowed posted here. They might be bat shit crazy but what good conspiracy isn't?

If it's stupid, it'll be down voted. Simple as that

[–]freedomofaction [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This guy is right. If our current mod team is on the side off removing less then I'm happy. Remove nothing.

[–]Dhylan 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/conspiracy is one of the few reasons that reddit is not dead to me. It's one of the very few, if not the only, subreddit where real discussion is allowed to take place. I cannot say enough good things about this subreddit. It is a light shining in the darkness. It is hope amongst despair.

[–]AccurateLinguist 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am going to be the change I want to see.

respect.

[–]no1113 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Sheeit. They sure have censored me - more than once.

Granted I might be an asshole...but yeah. The whole "let the voting decide" has absolutely not been applied to some of my comments.

Just saying.

[–]chickyrogue [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

i have it on great authority you are NOT an asshole!

[–]no1113 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

:) There are some who would disagree with you, but I'm glad some realize that I'm certainly not only just that! :)

[–]chickyrogue [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

did you catch that sacred geometry OMG!

hey since almost all of reddit is going to hell in a hang glider we gotta stick together [birds of a feather]!

[–]no1113 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I need to visit VOAT more often. Saw some of the sacred geometry. Yes. Heavy stuff!

[–]chickyrogue [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

i just had no idea it all tied back musicially to solid geometry

totally freaked me out yesterday ... this part of life is so quantum amazing and then the shitshow sucks me back in ;0

[–]THE_LORD_HERESY 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (6子コメント)

This place has gone to shit and I can't even speak on it without violating several rules because my words will be taken out of context.

I will say this, partisan bullshit contributed to what we're witnessing here now.

[–]FeminismIsAids 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

What? Isn't that the opposite of why /u/9000sins is stepping down?

[–]THE_LORD_HERESY 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nope.

[–]FeminismIsAids 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes.

[–]9000sins[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No actually another reason I stated in the original post was arbitrary enforcement of the rules. This means I don't want to have people banned for talking about the integrity or state of the sub as a whole. Quite the opposite. The rule about personal attacks on the users, mods or the sub should be enforced very, very selectively and not until all other options have been tried and failed. It's only there so that if there really is a problem that we have to deal with, that the person can't say we are breaking the rules.

[–]THE_LORD_HERESY 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He just answered it with a no. So there you have it.

[–]9000sins[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

+1

[–]godlameroso 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

he ded.

[–]1-800-GOFUCKYOURSELF 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Zero mod was fine until we got overtaken by "new users". There is on average 1000+ users here now, and it's been that way ever since the beginning of the presidential rat race.

I don't know what kind of influence these "new users" are implementing here, but I do know that ever since they arrived, this sub has changed for the worst.

[–]KleptocraticAutist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Browse /r/conspiracy/new for a few days. It's wild down there.

[–]IM_NOT_CIA_PROMISE 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (9子コメント)

but we need to stay focused and on target here.

And who gets to say what the target is? You? What is the target, since you brought it up?

[–]Flytape 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There lays the problem. We can't have mods advocating for the removal of a specific subject "because the sub will get in trouble". We are already doing what is required of us with the pizza gate hysteria. We have a sticky post asking that doxxing information be reported to us if found, and that it isn't posted in the first place.

What else can we do? Do we give into the pressure that pizza gate shouldn't be seriously discussed? Do we tow the line of the MSM and label it debunked, not worthy of further consideration?

I say no, I say fuck that.

[–]9000sins[S] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (7子コメント)

The truth.

[–]TheLatchKey 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

www.truthcontest.com

[–]9000sins[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't know what this is but I am fascinated. Thank you for sharing.

[–]Swiperfoxx -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

From the site itself:

Death is the great equalizer: If you are born with advantages, you can have more good times than bad times in your life, but when you die, you are reborn with disadvantages, and have more bad times than good times and vice versa.

Uh huh, the poor man's consolation prize.

Yeah, when someone tries to sell me on their matter-of-fact version of an after life, I have to call bs.

[–]9000sins[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I haven't had a chance to read any of it yet so I haven't made any conclusions.

[–]DaTroof [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You rang?

[–]chickyrogue [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

truth = i love your eye of horus!

[–]AssuredlyAThrowAway 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm going to miss you sir; and, although I think we may disagree a bit with regards how to approach the necessary removal of spam/off-topic content (I'd rather let downvotes handle it), I think we can both agree that the free exchange of ideas is what makes this subreddit one of the last vestiges of a much older reddit; as we find a current reddit that, outside of this subreddit, nearly fundamentally opposed to the core values that defined this platform upon its inception; free speech, organic curation of content, and a fervent desire to question authority at all times.

I respect your decision to leave the team, but it saddens me as I very much felt we all could have come to terms with a style of moderation that was able to respond to spam while protecting the free exchange of ideas sans compromise.

I will miss your insights and oversight sir; it was a pleasure having been able to moderate with you for so many years.

Also, if you need any help with your documentary (funding, research, whatever) just say the word, I'll always be right here if you need me.

[–]PsychedelicPhlegm 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'd rather let downvotes handle it

Votes are being manipulated by brigades. Anything worth seeing is downvoted, and CNN articles are upvoted to the front page. It's quite obvious what's happening. Votes don't mean shit on this sub anymore.

[–]wrines 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nor on reddit as a whole

[–]Afronautsays 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely, If you don't search by controversial then you likely won't see anything substantial.

That in it's self should raise alarms.

[–]9000sins[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thank you so much! I am really seriously planning this. I don't even really have a script yet, just ideas. But I think it will be big.

[–]THE_LORD_HERESY 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you need any sound design, foley and music let me know.

[–]9000sins[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please send me an email.

9000sins@gmail.com

Anyone interested in getting something together should also send me a message in my email. We can work out more secure communications later if you are worried about security. I do need a lot of help if I am going to do this right.

[–]ridestraight 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're needed in the trenches!

There are some mods that fail to inform the subscribers in here that this sub lives or dies by a few simple guidelines and commonly acceptable community ethos!

You and I might be miles apart in every aspect of life but we're here in r/conspiracy to thrash out theories, agree to disagree, to expose, educate and imagine a better future for all!

[–]solidstatemasterrace 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

if you're on the 'Red List' then I'm afraid resigning won't help.

[–]9000sins[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes that isn't why I quit.

[–]LupinePeregrinans 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks for the transparency, I hope that everything goes well with the documentary !

[–]Muh_Condishuns 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is sin 9001.

[–]wrines 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here we go. And so it begins. I expect many more resignations, and then new mods being appointed. Soon, same as /r/dncleaks, /r/wikileas, and /r/whereisassange, it will become obvious that this sub too has been taken over. Im not saying it has been yet, im saying this sub is the next target and the writing has been on the wall for a while. Suggest everyone go to voat and gab. Reddit is dead, it is fully government controlled behind the scenes.

[–]The_Majestic_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Since the election season this sub has turned into a shit show. Its just /r/politics 2.0 favouring the right instead of the left.

[–]ItsAJackOff [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's by design. Ever noticed how the most ridiculous shit is 9 times of out 10 what gets promoted from here to the front page?

Legitimate discussions fizzle out, while sensational halftruths and altogether falsehoods are artificially boosted to cast r/conspiracy in a negative light.

I have no opinion of you as a mod, but from what I've read it'd be nice if you could disclose the full truth in your OP or you will be right in line with halftruth bullshit.

[–]RefusesToNoteSarcasm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thank you for doing us right over the years. You have made a difference to me and many others.

[–]Brendancs0 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shit I'm loosing the only sub I love !

[–]SmokeyBare 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Won't this make it easier for them?

[–]9000sins[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, yes. I really wish this would have gone the other way. I really want to this place stay around forever, and I hope that this current style of moderation helps that ultimately. As I was told by someone earlier, "I was making a lot of waves around here" lately and that I "needed to leave and not look back". So I was thinking maybe I should take that advice even though I didn't really care for who it was coming from or the sentiment behind it. Ultimately in the end mod consensus is really what is good for the sub, so I bowed to the pressure. I really hope this actually helps because my opinions on the direction things should go is a bit different than the majority and I am actually impeding progress by standing in the way. I wish them all the best. And if they are reading this, Sorry if I was nasty in the mod mail. I was just a bit fed up with the tone of the conversation.

[–]23eulogy23 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Mods at r/conspiracy have to constantly walk that thin line of removing shit posts and censorship repressing information. Who are they to say what conspiracies are true or disinformation/distraction. People here in r/conspiracy are constantly bitching about overmoderation and censorship of the donald. I guess mods here believe they should allow everyone to speak and we will weed through ourselves with downvotes

[–]9000sins[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I am generally in favor of this style of moderation. In this particular case it's not that I don't believe it. I believe 1000000% that pizzagate is fucking real. I want those involved to face serious consequences. This video was not about truth. This should have been downvoted to obilvion, but somehow it found itself at the top of our sub, making us all look crazy. People should investigate this, but not the way those people did. It was reckless, irresponsible and borderline illegal and we all got duped into promoting it to the top of the sub. I just felt that it would be better if people posted things like that elsewhere and then link it rather than posting it here directly. That was enough for some to think that I was somehow censoring that information. No I just asked that people post it elsewhere for the integrity of our sub. After /r/PizzaGate was banned we all saw what can happen. To avoid something like that here, we need to redirect that subject to a place where there is a degree of seperation from us or a similar fate may befall us.

[–]23eulogy23 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is no way they wold get away with banning r/conspiracy. The users of reddit would not allow it. You seen what happened when they tried to ban subs lIke r/fatpeoplehate. There was a huge uproar and the ceo had to step down. I am extremely surprised something didn't go down after r/pizzagate was taken down. I think it's because it was a fairly new sub and topic. R/conspiracy has been around for a long time. And for alot of people it's the one of the only subs they visit. Taking out r/conspiracy would be the end of reddit as we know it. Personally I think reddit has proven more than once that is suppresses free speech and we should boycott it. Nevertheless people still congregate here and it is still a great place to get breaking information

[–]9000sins[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope you are right.

[–]Ninjakick666 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

If they are not going to censor our content at all then we are doomed to fail... as soon as the doxxing takes root we'll be gone. I hope you were just exaggerating when you said there would be no censoring... cause that is a death sentence... gives the admins the perfect excuse to drop an axe.

Have there been any warning from admin to the mod team in regards to this? PG got plenty of advanced warning... have we been given notice?

[–]9000sins[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not explicitly, but we did occasionally get admins telling us that they removed content for reasons that could be considered doxxing.

[–]Ninjakick666 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As long as the mod team continues to enforce the redditwide rules I'll be satisfied... thats all I ask really. Though the removal of memes and blocking of duplicate links is very helpful from a "quality of life" standpoint.

[–]TheGhostOfDusty 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Respect.

[–]brownman83 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This sub became r/politics.

[–]Orangutan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Cool man! I hope the mod team doesn't let stuff through that will potentially get this sub banned.. Hopefully that's not part of the plan.

Thanks for your dedication and service. Place has been good so far.

All the best and best of luck. Hope to see your documentary soon at some point. Peace.

** could be smart to have term limits or ways to get rid of mods anyway after some point of time. And transparency of the deletions and mod logs hopefully remain and are accurate.

[–]9000sins[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thank you. Coming from you that means a lot.

[–]Flytape -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Term limits would basically guarantee that this sub would fall.

You might have a few successfully transitions of power, but since Reddit would never step in to force anyone to honor a mod agreement, and since Reddit only honors the "top mod makes all choices with ultimate authority"... It would predictably be a matter of time until someone decided to not honor their "term limit" and hijacked the sub for whatever purposes they chose.

[–]_SWIM_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Erm, bye then?

I don't care for your opinion and as long as people aren't getting doxxed, I don't see the problem.

[–]9000sins[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your opinion has been duly noted.

[–]ArchonFall4All 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for your hard work that often goes unnoticed, and best of luck on your documentary. I look forward to watching it some day

[–]Swiperfoxx -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

One more step towards this sub becoming T_D 2.0

It's true, the mods are on it. I was banned without warning for putting down a pizzahead and stating this sub is a T_D franchise now (no offensive language either).

[–]TheMadBonger [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm fairly new to this sub, but I see what your talking about. All of a sudden the quality of posts just dropped like a ton of bricks in the ocean. And only garbage threads are making it to the top. I also notice weird things with the upvote counter on threads where they jump up votes then get knocked down by either 2, 5, or 10 votes the next second.

Just weird how this was actually a good source for investigation purposes and now you have to check at least 5 pages back to make sure you didn't actually miss a good post. And then that good post dies because it's constantly pushed to the bottom to never be seen.

So in conclusion I see it all man, who would of thought it would get this far SO QUICK! Goodbye either way I hardly knew ye. But major props for wanting to get out there and ACTUALLY do something about it :).

[–]notsomuchreally [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

All of the conspiracy forums I frequent have gone to shit in the most spectacular ways. They have been infiltrated by people who are shit posting to make the rest of the forums look crazy. It's working. Most replies are brief obnoxious ones and there is no longer any meaningful discourse. I'm over it. I don't care anymore. I'm no investigator but I do enjoy reading material on intriguing subjects. I shall reserve my precious time for books now. Nobody has had any clear conclusions or solutions to any conspiracies anyway. Good luck all.....

[–]probiner [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

the floodgates in r/conspiracy were opened on campaign time because people felt there was no freedom of expression in some of the main political subs. That said, we passed that, the "underdogs" won, for now, so it's time to go back to focus on conspiracies. I'm the one of those that admired I was coming to r/conspiracy for news, because I felt it was sacred ground for some info to flow.

Maybe there should be a r/conspiracynews for all the "BREAKING" and all the other shitposting, which it might be interesting and valid, it definitely clogs this sub and diminishes its capacity to discuss and document about conspiracies with time and reading. Not surfing on "news".

Sorry to heat it came to this for you 9000sins. Good luck with your projects!

[–]Skibiribiripoporopo -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for this post and good luck!

[–]chicoshead 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for this post & thank you for your time & efforts

[–]seval87 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Keep us updated!

[–]Vanguarde2017 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good, censorship is as. Bye bye.

[–]chickyrogue 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

TY for your time and efforts to reign us in

[–]9000sins[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

:)

[–]chickyrogue [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

i have such eye of horus envy i hafta be honest.... go try to mod at CST their mod there is on a complete power trip and cancelled my thread and downvoted everyone of my comments .... that to me is ridiculous outta control mod behavior ... was just wondering your opinion felt like power trippin and censorship .... reddit is becomin quite the shitshow

dont resign you are still needed!

[–]soullessgeth 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

you won't be missed, reddit doesn't need more censorship

[–]SomeSortaGod -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This makes me sad. Without Mods like you this place is hopeless.

With ZERO moderation you get these conspiracy theorists who eat up fake news and buy into all sorts of bullshit. This fucking kills the sub because it makes everyone look bad.

[–]9000sins[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes I agree. Thank you for your support.

[–]imlarrybird -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

US lawmakers and intelligence agencies, plus foreign governments, are saying that there's credible evidence that Russia worked to influence the US presidential election. And /r/conspiracy is more concerned with this pizzagate horseshit than an actual credible conspiracy. This subreddit is a pile of hot garbage right now. Can't blame you.

[–]Seeds_of_2nd_Sight 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've seen more credible pg evidence than I have of Russian hack evidence. Of course the US lwmakers, intelligence agencies, etc. are saying they have that evidence... The propaganda machine has to keep churning out that stuff to bury the 'fake news'.

[–]imlarrybird -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

credible

pizzagate evidence

Pick one please.

[–]Seeds_of_2nd_Sight [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Right. I totally forgot that any of the info re: p-gate was brought out by Russian hacks that the US Lawmakers and Intelligence Agencies have all their evidence of.

Funny how you believe that they have that without seeing it. Why aren't you demanding to see any of that before you buy in?

[–]We-think-we-are-free -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

God speed. Thanks for putting work into this place.

[–]LightBringerFlex -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Meh, I don't see anything odd with conspiracy. Maybe I'm missing the junk posts... shrug

[–]RickJamesB____ -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good for you. I am a documentary filmmaker and maybe I can help you with one or two things. Remember, if you want any help. Good luck, my friend.

[–]Sword_monk -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry that you have to go! I'd be your replacement, if that's possible! Cheers!

[–]pholmq -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thank you! It's been a great ride. r-conspiracy and the early incarnation of Reddit have opened my eyes. But of course it's naive to think a place like this would be left alone. Tptb are scrambling to try to contain the massive enlightenment going on in the open Internet. But for me the bell cannot be unrung and I have a different view on many things and will try hard to avoid being fooled again by the Nutwork. Again - Thank you!

[–]9000sins[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I am glad to have been a part of this. If i helped to change even one life this would have been worth it. Instead I got to be a part of something that potentially changed thousands of lives, and just that in and of itself makes my heart swell with pride. I am so proud of who we are and what we have accomplished and learned together. Thank you for your kind words. They really hit home. Anyone who stands for truth stands on my side. I will always remember the times I've had here. Thank you all for all your love and support.

[–]pholmq 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nice to get a reply for a change that does not question my mental capability because I claim thorough research has led me to the conclusion that for example the Lunar landings was a hoax :-)

This place is overrun I'm afraid and all good things comes to an end. But new sites and people pick up the torch. In my home town for example there is now a monthly gathering for people to discuss things like this! Going there on Tuesday :)

Have you read this? So well put IMO http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1685

Edit: It's the last comment in that thread I like.

Take care and never stop searching! /Patrik

[–]MentalKick -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Its sad to see a Mod cry! Makes you wonder!

[–]gavy101 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

/u/9000sins Fuck Off.

[–]meta4one [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Censorship is not the answer and i do not believe you had good intentions, infact quiet the opposite. Dont let the door hit you on the way out.

[–]trinsic-paridiom [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No I dont agree, there needs to be certain restrictions on content that is cluttering up the timeline. Double posts need to be handled, and posts that are not sourced will should be removed. Im sick of all the pizza gate clutter that detracts from more important information.

[–]9000sins[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Once again, no censoring here. Just asking for a bit of separation between us and pizzagate. If you carefully read all of my comments you will understand what I mean. You can post as much stuff as you want. Ask the mods how many posts I have actually removed in the last 2-3 years. You want to know the answer. Zero.