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[–]Docbear64 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think I was 14 when my uncle explained this to my mom and my Aunt - to - be( his eventual wife). It was so outrageously appalling to me that he would say such a thing despite the fact I had seen him with Dimes and attractive women all throughout my teens and childhood. Sure enough now I couldn't disagree if I wanted to .

The point whether you say women are children or women are like dogs is that women need to be lead , they openly express all the time how they want a guy who can make plans for a good date , They ask what to wear , what they should do , etc. Embrace the desire they have to follow and lead them , you may just find you enjoy it after a while.

[–]theONE843663 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

"... you may just find you enjoy it after a while." <--- Just goes to show how much damage has been done already. Since when did men stop enjoying keeping their bitchez in check? Both dogs and women I'm talking about here...

[–]Docbear64 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

When men started being taught that telling a woman what to do is abusive even if women universally declare indirectly that they love being told what to do .

[–]theONE843663 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Society is fucked up I'm telling you man.

[–]scrodzilla 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn right. My girl claims to be a "strong independent woman" but loves it when I tell her exactly what to do in and out of the bedroom.

[–]Endorsed ContributorHeathcliff-- 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (8子コメント)

This is actually something you will eventually realise about ALL people, they can be trained like animals, and controlled that way. It may seem jaded or abusive, but you'll come to this conclusion after countless experiences of having your respect and patience thrown back in your face.

I've been teaching children for a while now, I'd say i'm pretty good at it. At first, I sucked, and only because I couldn't control a class and let them walk all over me. I tried to be rational with kids, treat them like little adults, give them some respect, try to make them understand why I was making them do the work and why it would benefit them.

It never works, I had messy, erratic lessons where the kids misbehaved and learnt nothing. So i decided to try a different strategy, I remembered the strict teachers when I was a kid and how everyonr was scared of them, how they had no patience for bullshit and would always follow through on their threats.

I started treating the kids like dogs. Like dumb animals. I would be strict, steadfast and unmoving, and scarily hostile with them when angered. If they strayed or broke a rule, I would punish at 100% without any leeway, I allowed for no exceptions. If they pushed my boundaries, I would make examples of kids to scare others into obediance. If I made a threat ("the next person who talks gets sent out") and someone called my bluff (even if it was one of the good kids asking for an eraser or whaever) I would always follow through with it. Even if I was deemed "unfair" by the kids, they eventually learned I could be an "unfair" motherfucker and wouldn't tolerate their whining (even if I knew I was being over the top strict).

The result is a class that is silent and ready before I even enter the room. A class that is scared of me and my temper and are perfectly trained to work well... Long term; great, great results, massive improvements. Compliments are so rare that kids shine when they get them, they carry much more weight.

So once I saw you could train little kids like dogs, I imported this mindset to the teenage kids I tutored too. Strict with homework, strict with lessons, stopped trying to be their friend. Once again, massive improvements with respect and results. Wow, it's like I found a magic formula.

Get put into group work for school projects, get grouped with some girls and stoners, whatever. AMOG the group and become "the leader", start treating "subordinates" like the children I teach, being undufuly strict and professional with them, shooting down anybody that was late with work, become "the asshole".

Group worked like a well oiled machine, girls loved the structure and guidance, lazy guys and barely english speaking asians picked their shit up when treated like dogs and bossed around. These were my peers, yet "training" them like animals resulted in oddly enough, massive respect, strong friendships and trust and reliability. We got a great great grade at the end too, and they all attributed it "to how well we worked together" (how well I had you under control you mean). This is how I'd imagine being a boss is like for the good bosses, and how I'd treat the role if I ever become one.

The trick to being this kind of leader is having your shit together, strong frame, and delivering on your end. My parts of the porject where always the first done, if i'd been late or sloppy with it I could never demand as much respect as being the guy who was carrying most of the weight and telling everyone else to get their shit together.

You have to lead by example. They need to see in your actions that you mean business, not just your words.

And of course eventually I ported this attitude to women. Just like my students, my little sister, my "subordinates" I began treating my plates with the same ruthless enthusiasm and unwavering superiority. It takes a while for them to adapt and theres always a few days of "struggle" where they either leave cos they can't handle the dominace or they completely and gladly accept it and become the submissive bouncy sex kitten we idealise hem to be. Strong frame, holding your ground and being steadfast in your rules, never showing weakness, leading by example, swift punishment and rare rewards. Exactly the same way you train a dog, a child, a subordinate and a woman. It's what it mans to be a masculine leader.

My girlfriend and I have already decided that if we are together long enough to have kids, I will be the strict, mean, "unfair", punishment dealing, no bullsht taking masculine father, and she will be the mother that cherises and loves and comforts. I will train my kids like dogs, with discipline. Feminists will call this "abusive", but it's the only way to raise a child to be strong and capable, it's how it's been done for milennia and why a nuclear family is so important for the wellbeing of a child. The father/mother discipline/love dynamic is the working formula.

[–]SomeNetworkGuy 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just a word of advice, and it probably goes without saying, but don't forget to be loving and fun with your children too. Not only will it be rewarding for you personally, but you'll have a stronger relationship with your kids as well.

[–]TelemachusRising 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But that's not best practices!!! Says the Study from Hamsterton Institute designed to confirm that being a big pussy is the best way to get kids to learn.

[–]Aaronindhouse 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This just in: Hamersterton Institute confirmed to also find safe spaces ideal settings for an academic setting. Safe spaces increase study effectiveness by a whopping 200% according to their recent studies.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSirGaetanDugas 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Great post and a solid reminder to todays chubby manlets:

A Man shows true love very differently than women and children do. He gives them what they need to thrive, not what he feels good to him in the moment.

Stern discipline isnt fun to dole out. It requires patience, foresight, and true affection.

[–]RedEyesBlueShades 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stern discipline isnt fun to dole out. It requires patience, foresight, and true affection.

Highlight mine. And this is something very few truly appreciate and understand. Well said.

[–]harkrank 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Discipline and tough love is great in the workplace or with women, but it doesn't translate into raising kids that easily. First of, your techniques are used when you want people to do something. With a kid you don't really want him to do something, you want him to learn and become a person, and that will not happen if he's getting hounded. Kids are smart and they will see through the role playing you and your wife will try to do, as they mature they will think you are ridiculous.

Secondly, if you train your kids like dogs your kids will learn to be treated like dogs, to be subservient to other people they meet in life. Beta.

[–]orange_juice007 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great read. As someone who's aiming to become a teacher, I thank you for this advice. A small tip though: I don't know the rules in your country, but in mine, a teacher is not allowed to send students out of the classroom. If one of your student's parents are assholes, they can get you fired for doing that.

[–]RedPistola 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a great post. Please consider writing up some lessons on how to implement this conditioning with the various people in our lives

[–]CioranVlad 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Women act like cats, hard to get, they want to be like cats, doing their own way. Men act like dogs. Every gender, want the oposite. Mens turn into cats. And women actually love it, they are trying to get your atention, and from time to time tou give a little something and they go craxy. On the other hand women want to be dogs, just deprive them of affection, and when you meet then they will be running to you. I curently have a cat, and a kinda LTR with a chick who has 4 cats. I learned a lot about women just by looking and observing my cat. For example, if i don't show her attention at all she will come to me, bite me, anything just to pet her. As soon as i pet her she start purring. Same goes with women. If my gf annoys me i ignore her, and she will come begging to me. But i have to hold me.frame and not fall back into being a BB. C Gentlemen, don't give then almost nothing. Even the smallest things. They will be thrilling for the smallest things.

[–]TrumpWillWinAmerica 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

girl with 4 cats...?

a man with a cat...?

[–]CioranVlad 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, i live on the country side and i have a mice problem. And i let my cat live inside.

[–]DigitallyDisrupt 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Pavlov, Pavlov's dogs, pavlovian

[–]supernormalnorm[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

NAH it's all about the life of Pablo. The life of Pablo man.

[–]DigitallyDisrupt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wifing up a Kardashian appears to be bad for your health.

[–]Aaronindhouse 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

honestly, Even the truest alpha would probably have problems holding frame while keeping a LTR with a kardshian. Not worth it imho.

[–]ChiangRai 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I am a little annoyed on that you'd say that about dogs. Rude.

[–]casemodsalt 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Seriously. My dog is much more interesting and loyal than any vag I've ever met. Women are dime a dozen but dogs are dogs man. Can't replace them. Like gold almost.

[–]good_guy_submitter 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gotta say, after having kids I just don't feel the same way about dogs. Love my son's and daughters much more.

[–]supernormalnorm[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Okay you have a point. Let's just say, all women and dogs are the same EXCEPT dogs have a sense of loyalty.

Fck, dogs>women. AWALT AWALT

[–]p3n1x 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dogs are loyal because most are weak on their own. Hence the necessity for a pack and the weakness to do anything to be accepted.

Beta's tend to run in packs....

Just throwing out a different perspective.

[–]throw17453 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember making a similar point in the first post I made here, here's the extract:

 

A couple of times with the guy I’m currently seeing I’ve acted in a way, or said something, that could be taken as disrespectful or a “breaking” of the dynamic. The motivators for me doing so were, a situation i was in the right over, and two, an insecurity over whether i could trust him. His response both times was actually quite brilliant.

Silence

From a frame perspective this was the best response. The outcome both times, was essentially the same. I later apologise to him for my tone, try to very briefly explain the thought process or emotional factors that had led me to act that way, and politely and enthusiastically talk normally. He either accepts or ignores my apology, and then talks as if nothing had happened, or in the case where I was in the right, he briefly apologised and explained too.

But he did so on his own terms, at a time that suits him, when we are back within a dynamic of his choosing and when I was behaving well.

You could also see this from a pavlovian perspective, I’m feeling anxious or confused or some other whimsical emotion often disparaged here, and act out. He removes his presence, and only returns it when I am behaving as he would like. I am then conditioned to not do so again, or be less likely to.

I also ultimately feel more drawn to him and respectful, because our interactions are on his terms, and that kind of independence and control in a guy is very attractive.

 

That post is old, I was transexual at the time, dating men, and am now living as a guy, but your post reminded me of my own observation.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMattyAnon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

(2-negative) treat her harshly and she'll find this as an excuse that "it was you who started it," believe me brothers.

Yes, because negative attention is still attention. You still care. So she manouvres herself out of responsibility. The more you try to make her responsible, the lower your status, the higher her status, and the more she feels that as a superior creature everything must be your fault.

That said next time she treats you like shit, ghost

This is literally the only thing that women respond to. Completely withdrawing both your attention and your presence. Without this option (eg married or cohabiting) your lovelife will be miserable.

[–]CAinCa 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

OP mentions Pavlov but what you should really look at is behaviorism and applied behavior analysis. JB Watson, and BF Skinner truly figured out how to get people to do what you want (Watson left academia to work in advertising- he basically invented the idea of a 'coffee break'). Look at casinos and how they manipulate schedules of reinforcement and learn the perils of providing non-contingent reinforcement with females. Keep them always working for your attention and the resources you're willing to share.

[–]throw17453 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pavlov isn't actually too relevant here, as the examples in the OP are Operant conditioning.

Where the reward//punishment comes after the behaviour you are seeking to influence.

Classical conditioning is where you have a random stimuli that over time comes to be associated with an involuntary response - Bell ring before food -> dogs salivate -> over time dogs salivate just at sound of bell ringing.

[–]RedPistola 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

More specifically, you weren't very detailed on how you carried it over to plates.

[–]SublimeProg 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's because he doesn't have any plates yet, but he has made a tinder account.

[–]aazav -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Pavlovian*.

If you're going to use a term as a reference, learn how to spell it before trying to use it.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You're not grading term papers in your women's studies class. Stow the mockery.

If you correct a man, do it for his benefit. Not yours.

[–]throw17453 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You've just done exactly what you are criticising.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/supernormalnorm made some effort to contribute something valuable to the community.

/u/aazav tried to start a pissing contest.

You tell me which one earned his mockery.

[–]MEpicLevelCheater -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

ECs get special benefits, like exemptions from hypocrisy. They do this for your own good.

[–]throw17453 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol understood.

They do this for your own good

Could be the opening line of an Orwell novel...

[–]supernormalnorm[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There goes Mr. Pablo Grammar Nazi

[–]The_BitterTruth 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Title is kind of misleading - otherwise decent post.

[–]ReddittFeist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually, one of the most important sayings of all is: "Women are like cats, men are like dogs."

It's great and all to use the metaphor of dog training for building a better girlfriend, but seriously, they really are like cats, with all that that means. AWALT.

Now this doesn't mean one shouldn't train one's GF/wife.

And the single most reliable guide to maintaining relationships I got from some dead bedroom site was: "Reward the good and never reward the bad."

Pavlovian conditioning/operant response training is important, but results require a lot more outcome independance than most guys understand when transitioning from beta to alpha.

But seriously, think about how you raise a devoted cat as opposed to an obedient dog.

[–]Andgelyo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

did you mean pavlovian? lmao surprised nobody caught that

[–]p3n1x 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was his soft attempt at a Kanye joke.

[–]Sweedie -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hi, Sheldon.

"Anyway, lots of similarities between women and dogs. Desired copulation position is another one, among many more." - From what I understand doggy style sex is more popular with men than women. Does this mean men are also dogs?

"...and they never complain." - Yes, because dogs can't speak and haven't developed complex thought processes.

[–]readgrid -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thats why I cant get rid of one poor woman. I ignore her too much.

[–]lqtys -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But ghosting wouldn't be interpreted by her as (2-negative) attention? It's like a punishment you are doing for her, her hamster will interpret it as you are angry at her and thus are ghosting her, and it will reinforce the bad attitude because she knows now that she can hurt you that way.

[–]yanoblamo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would consider it being more indifferent than negative. If she implies that your ghosting is a negative thing, then that is her hamster talking. But she will not have closure, and women hate not having closure. Women aren't that stupid and most will have an idea as to why you've ghosted, but you not lashing out and directly saying or doing something negative, which would remove all doubt, is holding frame. If she values you high enough, she will apologize after she has recognized her emotional outburst or behaviour wasn't warranted, assuming what she has done hasn't warranted a permanent nexting.