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the phone call • tim vs sam (vid.me)

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[–]JWAxeManDekkarheads 4 Tim 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (64子コメント)

Sam: "Jews are greedy and (((globalists))) are out to hurt my audience! Let's create tension and anger toward Jews because it's funny!"

a few months later

"I don't understand, my show's cancelled? Must be the (((elite))) out to get me! But oh wait no, I'm definitely not pushing that narrative, and my audience definitely isn't full of bigoted extremists!"

The tragedy here is that Sam is actually pretty funny and I like his humor a lot. For the same reason I enjoy T&E and Eric Andre.

The difference is that the latter trio can be funny and offensive without creating anti-Semitic or misogynistic sentiment among millions of viewers, while the former thrives off of negative energy.

[–]PineappleManMDE 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (28子コメント)

I agree, and this is from someone who loves MDE as well

This phone call did nothing but paint Sam as pathetic, and it's sad..

[–]JWAxeManDekkarheads 4 Tim 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (27子コメント)

I can't tell if he's full of shit and knows he's trolling on behalf of white supremacists, or if he's so delusional that he actually doesn't see that they're a major part of his fan base.

[–]gustaveIebon 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (26子コメント)

Wanting a border and beneficial trade deals is white supremacy, yeah, ok, I understand why the show was cancelled now. the conversation is so fundamentally skewed that you need to censor your opposition.

[–]JWAxeManDekkarheads 4 Tim 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Wanting a border and beneficial trade deals is white supremacy

That's not what this is about. It's about the anti-Semitism and misogyny and you know it. But since you're pretending there's no anti-Semitism tied into his political and social commentary, let me help you find it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k06lLDDe-b4

Why does the above bother me? Not because it's a joke about Jews, but because the joke is that he doesn't feel that way at all. Look at the YouTube comments. He's giving the finger to Jews for no reason. Now, why is it problematic when Sam does this and not South Park? Because Sam is directly linked to legitimate white nationalist culture, whereas South Park uses Jew jokes for greater social commentary. Sam does it to help push his narrative that Jews are conspiring against whites. It's pretty clear in the comments. Here's a reddit comment from an actual MDE fan and anti-Semite, since you don't want to believe me:

All those different animals happily jamming together, promoting racemixing and multiculturalism, to the tune of joyful, hyper-simplistic childish music, representing the dilution of Art and culture at the hands of the Jews; and all the little kids with awkward smiles across their faces just purposelessly dancing about, not having a single clue what the fuck is even going on, representing the brainwashed goyims, in stark contrast to the grim [adult swim] directors in the background pulling the strings like the soulless Jews they are. Sam Hyde choking under the weight of his costume as he gasps for fresh air, but keeps on dancing nevertheless to not ruin the show, representing both: truth-seeking people choking on the lies they're being fed, hungry for happiness and truth, but finding none, yet still desperately dancing to the tune because that's all they know; and also people who know the truth, yet struggle on how to disclose it for fear of severe social repercussions, who in the meantime are having a hard time keep up appearances.

Let's find another one, because this is so much fun!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBXEvHv3Vjs

Wow, another video making fun of Jews for no reason other than...uh...for the hell of it! Which again, is fine, it's not like Jews are special snowflakes that nobody can make fun of. But wait, what's the top comment? Is that the MDE channel telling the comment section that it appreciates their comments? Have you read the comments?

When you're making Jew jokes to help promote the theory that Jews are conspiring to create a multi-cultural globalist agenda in the west and destroy white culture, it's no longer funny, you're just a crazy asshole

[–]timesnewboston 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (7子コメント)

The Jews Rock video is absolutely tame, jesus. It could've been a cut scene on family guy

[–]JWAxeManDekkarheads 4 Tim -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's the intent.

[–]nadnerb811 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think the intent was simply to make people uncomfortable. Just insert one word into that song and it stirs shit. There is no reason to believe there is underlying antisemitism. The only reason that is believed is because people can't grasp that it wouldn't be done underhandedly. The entire joke is based around how even when surrounded by the context of positivity (Jews Rock!), people are going to immediately jump to the idea that something is wrong. Why is that?

It's not meant to spread hate, it is meant to make the audience reflect on why they feel uncomfortable. Logically, they shouldn't feel that way in the context, right?

[–]CrawdadMcCray -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

There is reason to believe it and it's because his whole shtick is about it. It's not one skit here or there, everything he's doing and pushing is based about racism and homophobia that's he's attempting to disguise as shock value purely for humor but in reality its not an act.

[–]ReginaldJTrottsfield 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

everything he's doing and pushing is based about racism and homophobia

This is so disingenuous, you have absolutely nothing to support what you're saying (besides your feelings). There were no racist or homophobic skits from the show, and it was pretty tame compared to other comedians who have dressed up like Nazis (Eric Andre show), doing blackface for an entire show (Sarah Silverman), mocking transgender people (Southpark), etc etc.

[–]fourfingerfilms 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's trying to push buttons in an outrage culture. And it worked. He just pushed too hard it seems.

[–]Iwanturpizzabb 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sam is Jewish himself. Not an argument

[–]Fellero 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol

No he is not. Practice your bullshit infront of the mirror next time.

[–]PlainStain 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

GREAT EXAMPLE.

Cherrypicked comment from A FAN THAT'S NOT SAM HYDE, to prove sam hyde is racist. Gr8 logic.

Also a skit where he mocks a jewish only newspaper, and does a song called Jew's Rock. (It's fine when southpark does it but when it's MDE it's NORMALIZING FASCISM and is the reason why TRUMP won)

Dude, such bullshit. You're like hardcore christians that want to ban TV shows because they ruin social moriality

[–]ReginaldJTrottsfield 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The only evidence that this show was "white supremacist" are comments from random people on social media who are supposedly "fans" with no affiliation to the show.

People have been told for months that Trump is literally Hitler, and certain viewpoints (like opposing open borders) can't even be discussed. So they aren't even able to have a conversation about it, can't formulate coherent thoughts, etc. When about half of the people in our society aren't even willing to have an honest political discussion, things are inevitably going to get uglier and uglier.

[–]TheSean85 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude, it's "problematic". You're a "crazy asshole" if don't see this!

You should only laugh at the things we say you can laugh at.

[–]ReginaldJTrottsfield 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here's a reddit comment from an actual MDE fan

It is incredible how weak this argument is. A video clip of the line "Jews rock" repeated over and over, and the words of some random jackass on Reddit who is supposedly a fan of MDE but not affiliated to them at all, is your only evidence that the show is "white supremacist."

I'm sure I can find some Eric Andre fan who says awful shit, and they had actual segments dressed up as Nazis. Is Hannibal a white supremacist too? Also, do you understand what a logical fallacy is?

If you're being honest with yourself, the *only * reason this backlash happened is because Sam's Twitter vocally supports Trump, border security, and other "incorrect" conservative opinions that have fuckall to do with white supremacy, Russia, or whatever other bogeyman is being pushed by the media narrative ".

[–]LimpingGoat 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Look at yourself you utter moron. The point of the video is that you literally cannot say anything about Jews. EVEN IRONICALLY POSITIVE stuff. Without some dimwit standing up against MUH ANTISEMITISM.

[–]JWAxeManDekkarheads 4 Tim [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Look at yourself. In attempting to make a point about there not being anti Semitism, you criticize Jews. We can't win with you nuts. His subreddit and the white supremacist comments are evidence enough.

[–]BLACKMARQUETTE [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Dude, you have to be fucking Jewish. I've never seen any other person who wasn't Jewish jump to conclusions of anti-semitism like you have. You're taking comments from unaffiliated people and a few sketches and acting like Sam Hyde stood up and publicly condemned Jews.

[–]LimpingGoat [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

You could legitimately be a character in a MDE skit about anti Semitic over sensitivity.

[–]JWAxeManDekkarheads 4 Tim [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

As I've said, I wouldn't care if his audience wasn't actually white supremacists, which they are. I actually really like his show, as I've also said a number of times. I don't mind that it's offensive. I mind that he's totally happy spewing this to his base of neo Nazis. Go read their comments.

[–]LimpingGoat [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

No matter how you word it, your argument is essentially advocating for thought policing. Their audience could be literal neo Nazi's (which it isn't, it's basically white young students) and that would not justify taking their show off the air. If the guy who thinks raping and murdering white people should be legalized watches SNL, should it be canceled?

[–]neonax [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Eric Andre did a joke called "Everybody Hates Kikes." There is no logical reason to dislike Sam for creating similar comedy. The show itself makes fun of white people more than anyone else if you actually watch it. Sam's main criticism is that people single him out for his politics without allowing him to voice his opinion, which comes off as pretty toxic to me. The intent is to poke people's buttons and you fall for the trap. What you don't acknowledge is that there are always going to be racists supporting racism, ignoring the context. You really don't think racists watch the Eric Andre race jokes and agree with those too in a literal way? You're out of your mind.

[–]JWAxeManDekkarheads 4 Tim [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Eric Andre is Jewish and his viewers aren't white supremacists. Go to the subreddit and read their comments.

[–]microCACTUS 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The underlying spite and contempt though is definitely part of the appeal.
I wouldn't watch MDE if it was tame, and I think the "danger" of having ONE SINGLE show like this on the air really is overblown.

[–]Moreyouknow 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (31子コメント)

Here is my issue if Sam said white people are greedy and shit. Let's create tension anger toward whites. Guess what? His show wouldn't have been canceled.

[–]cobaltorangeUSER WAS BANNED 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Because he is white. Same reason black people can get away with slave jokes.

[–]neonax [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

MDE makes fun of white people more than anyone else if you actually watched the show. Plus black people don't just make fun of themselves, they make fun of every race. Nobody bats an eye when Dave Chappelle puts on white face, in fact they celebrate it. I guess we should completely ignore this distinction though because it's not fun to think about, just ruin this guy's career despite having better numbers than season 1 of Eric Andre.

[–]Moreyouknow 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (10子コメント)

What was the point of your comment? That was exactly the point I am making. Double standards and hypocrisy.

[–]JWAxeManDekkarheads 4 Tim 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (9子コメント)

You don't get it. Louis CK makes fun of minorities all the time and nobody cares. South Park does too. There's no double standard. Sam and his audience actually promote white supremacy, that's the problem.

[–]gnarlysaurushas chubs for you 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Louis does one minority joke for every ten whites are evil jokes.

[–]JWAxeManDekkarheads 4 Tim 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Oh OK well since you've done the math. But isn't he proving your point that it's OK? The difference is there's no malice and he does it to make a greater point. South Park is another great example. They don't make fun of people for the sake of it, they do it to make a point. Sam creates actual hatred.

[–]gnarlysaurushas chubs for you 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (5子コメント)

"Sam creates actual hatred."

Statements like that are why I can't talk to you guys. How does he create hatred? It seems to me that he's just making a joke of everything and sometimes he hits the nail on the head like wig Officer Maggot. There is meaning to what Sam does.

[–]JWAxeManDekkarheads 4 Tim 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I already answered this when someone else with earmuffs and horse blinders on pretended Sam wasn't full of hate too: https://www.reddit.com/r/TimAndEric/comments/5h9osf/the_phone_call_tim_vs_sam/dazh5ls/?st=iwhyy79f&sh=4b755b78

If you can't see how this is hurtful to a lot of people, that's not my problem. But don't act surprised when people push back.

[–]Moreyouknow 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

So you are pro banning things that hurt people's poor little feelings you pussy?

[–]King_of_Israelestine [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

so then why do blacks get away with white jokes as well?

[–]NopeItsDolan -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (16子コメント)

So what. White people are in charge, have been in charge and will be in charge for the foreseeable future. There isn't much of a threat to white dominance in the real world.

[–]Moreyouknow 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Obama is white?

[–]gustaveIebon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Who is the mayor of the capital of Britain by the way?

[–]NopeItsDolan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Oh shit, a Pakistani-British man who was born in London.

I take it all back, you guys are right... They're taking over!!!

[–]Moreyouknow 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Whites are becoming minority in usa too.

[–]NopeItsDolan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

When you're forced to grow a beard and go prey at a mosque every Friday, I'll buy you a Coke too.

[–]Moreyouknow [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

If a car is going to hit you in 40 years and someone can let you know right now versus you getting hit and killed by said car would you like to know about it?

[–]NopeItsDolan [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Man, I just don't get your mindset. Humanity could be working together to deal with climate change, income-equality, automation, the fact that our jobs can just be eliminated to save some people a bit of money.

But we're all down here on the bottom fighting about "the others."

[–]Moreyouknow [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Where did I ever bring up climate change? Are you mentally retarded? Income-equality is good but not by stealing more from one person to give to another. Go live in black neighborhood in Chicago and tell me race doesn't matter after you get shot.

[–]PopcornClassic [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

And do you view that as a bad thing? Why?

[–]Moreyouknow [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Who has been in charge over the last 100 years and done a great job?

[–]PopcornClassic [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

White people are not superior to other races.

[–]Moreyouknow [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Once again all you do is argue things I never said. Also, Sam new video proves Tim is a liar. Did you bother to do your research yet? Where Tim tried to claim he didn't have any pull or the fact he said attack the advertisers.

[–]gustaveIebon 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They are, british people are a minority in their own capital city. but maybe things like the pakistani-muslim sex gangs raping and pimping 1,400 white british girls in rotherham alone is just part and parcel of the great multicultural project?

[–]NopeItsDolan 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I did not know about that (not British). That's pretty sickening and I'm glad they were caught and put it jail.

But let me know when Muslims start to force their laws on you personally... I'll buy you a Coke.

[–]gustaveIebon 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

caught, put in jail and now they are given free housing, food and healthcare at the expense of the british tax payer. also, sharia courts already exist in the uk, in contravention of british law, but i'm sure the muslims will stop there and wouldn't try to instate sharia for all if they became the majority of the population.

[–]timesnewboston [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

creating anti-Semitic or misogynistic sentiment among millions of viewers

The problem is Sam personally. The show, which did get millions of viewers, was fine. Haven't really heard anyone object to the show by itself.

[–]thelobster64 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (29子コメント)

General debate tactic: stay away from ad hominem. Don't call anyone a cuck or say someone would do anything for 40 grand. It doesn't make you seem like the good guy.

[–]Moreyouknow 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (28子コメント)

leans into mic WRONG. Trump proves ad hominems work.

[–]thelobster64 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (26子コメント)

leans into mic WRONG. I said it doesn't make you seem like the good guy, which would still apply to Trump. People voted for him precisely because he wasn't a good guy. They voted for him to refute PC culture, which is entirely about being good people. They voted for him because he would kill terrorists families, break up families and send 11 million people back to their countries of origin, and not accept Syrian refugees. The guy made fun of a physically disabled reporter and said he grabs women by the pussy and "moves on them like a bitch." Nobody voted for him because he was a good guy. They voted for him because he wasn't.

[–]Moreyouknow 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Being seen as a good guy or nice guy is a weakness. You want to be seen as the right guy. Pc culture isn't about being a good person. Are you kidding me? It's about destroying individual expression and saying you have to act our way or we will fire you, humiliate you, and destroy your life. Illegals committed crimes by coming here illegally. So he wants to defend the borders and punish criminals. You do understand every country sends illegals back right? So you want open borders? Hillary made insulting comments and fun of rape victims, military men, women and black people. So making fun of reporter really means nothing in my book. I have never seen pc culture go after racist black people. Could you be more of a brainwashed tool?

[–]GrecoES335 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (10子コメント)

"Could you be more of a brainwashed tool?". Irony.

[–]Moreyouknow 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Who is brainwashing me? Certainly not 99 percent of television which is owned by registered democrats. What about hollywood? No wait 95 percent of them are open liberals too. Damn! My views are counter-culture. Yours aren't.

[–]GrecoES335 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (7子コメント)

You speak in STRICTLY regurgitated alt-right groupspeak and it is painfully devoid of nuance or evidence of critical thinking.

[–]Moreyouknow 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

No I don't and if you ever heard over to /r/politics then you see its one big liberal circlejerk over salon articles. So once again you have no arguments. I am critically thinking. You on the other hand can't even give me and points on why I am wrong.

[–]GrecoES335 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

A quick overview of your post history reveals a different story. You are what is known as a "true believer". You really think 3 million illegals voted? Get fucking real. When you parrot statements from DT that have been roundly debunked as if they are fact, you aren't thinking critically. From your history it also appears that you are in fact a white nationalist.

[–]Moreyouknow 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Being a white nationalist isn't argument against me even if I was one. I'm not one, but I do think we have issues we need to discuss like how to increase white birth rates, racism against whites not reported by media etc. If you don't agree with that then you are retard. Also reccount already threw our certain hilliary votes. So you got no problem with what goes over on shitredditsays for example? Reddit ceo editting a trump poster and posing as him? Are you going to keep avoiding my questions like pussy you are?

[–]datsdatwhoman 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is what the inside of the alt right man's brain looks like. He thinks the 56 year old immigrant who washes dishes at chili's to feed his family is a criminal. Racism and being offensive is so tied into his personality that he feels any attack on them is an attack on his individuality. What up with dat

[–]Moreyouknow 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never said that. You are a fucking retard who can't argue for shit and have to put words in my mouth. I do agree that you should be able to be as racist and offensive as you want. So you are against freedom of speech right? Seems like it.

[–]thelobster64 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (11子コメント)

That first part you said was my point. Trump isnt seen as a good guy, and he didnt want to. He wanted to be a guy who can get stuff done regardless of how nice it is. So we agree on that point. I don't like Hillary and I didn't vote for her. I know about Hillary wrongfully defending her husband, but when did she make fun of military men, women, and black people? I am not the PC police here. I am all for freedom of expression and all that, but we don't have to keep relitigating things we as a society have come to a conclusion on. Nobody is taking away your freedom of expression. For example you can be as racist as you would like and still have a job, but if that job may involve black customers who may not shop there anymore if they know you employ a racist who thinks they should move back to Africa. Its a business decision to be inclusive. You make more money if you can sell things to black people. And I don't follow PC stuff. I think a lot of it is way out of proportion. I was kind of simplifying PC into being a good person, but isn't that the main argument against it? That it allows facts to go unused in debates out of respect for a group that doesn't deserve it? "PC people are too nice and don't realize how the real world works? PC people can't distinguish facts like black people have higher crime rates, the jews control the money supply, etc?" And with racist black people, I don't like that either, and I don't think PC culture goes after that because their may be some bigger fish to fry and you probably just don't hear those stories in the media. Most people who care about racism don't like it in the black community either. Its just the media doesnt do a lot of those stories, not PC culture as a whole. I don't fully agree with this sentiment, but it explains why the media won't show it. Its also a question about power dynamics. To simplify, white people in aggregate have a lot of power and black people have very little. Racism in the white community can be seen as the big guy picking on the little guy, where as racism in the black community can be seen as misplaced anger and the wrong way to defend yourself against an oppressor. The media hates talking about race and hates talking about power dynamics, so its not about them being PC, its just that they are so terrible at it that they don't even bother showing it, and the end result is that they appear PC, but its merely by accident.

[–]Moreyouknow 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I disagree completely about big guy concept because blackonwhite crime is much higher than whiteonblack crime. Hilldog called blacks super predators. Women who accused bill clinton of sexually harassing them as gross bimbos. She said worst victims of wars is the women back at home and not the men dying who fought them. You are a total idiot and I hope you are 12. You can't be totally racist if you said nigger you would be fired. You can't insult persons religion, race, or national origin. Social justice warriors are taking away freedom of expression. They openly send death threats to people who disagree with them. They have gotten people fired from their jobs etc. If pc culture cared about frying big fish then why focus on 1 percent blacks get killed by cops versus 90 percent black on black crime?

[–]band_account 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (9子コメント)

They openly send death threats to people who disagree with them.

Like the alt-right has been doing to Tim for something they have no evidence of? Like the alt-right has been doing to the owner of a pizza shop over an outlandish conspiracy theory that is so obviously and completely untrue? Listen to yourself talk; you are completely detached from reality.

I hope you are 12

I will put so much money down that you haven't reach the age of 21 yet.

If pc culture cared about frying big fish then why focus on 1 percent blacks get killed by cops versus 90 percent black on black crime?

They DO care about that! You haven't even spent A second looking into this, but assume it isn't true. Why? Because you think you're so aware of the world and so intelligent that if it were true, you would have to know about it because you're so smart and rounded, right? EDUCATE YOURSELF. What you are doing right now is literally the exact same as protesting and calling out the Susan G Komen Foundation because they don't talk about lung cancer! Why don't they talk about lung cancer! That's killing more people than breast cancer, isn't it?! Hypocrites!

Social justice warriors are taking away freedom of expression.

This isn't a problem in real life. You spend so much of your time on the internet and intentionally seeking out things that confirm your worldview that you are literally delusional and completely out of touch with the real world. It isn't an issue. There are extremists on all ends of the spectrum, but by no means are "SJWs" taking away anything. Do you not realize fucking Trump just won the presidency? Why do you need so bad to feel like a victim? Why do you react so much with emotion instead of acting rationally and educating yourself? Why is being approached with a thought that contradicts or challenges your current worldview so frightening to you that all you can do is scream and shout buzzwords and act like your life is so difficult?

You aren't intelligent. You aren't rational. And you aren't edgy. You have been manipulated by terrible people via the internet and you have allowed yourself to sink further and further into that to the point that you aren't even living in reality. You are a tool.

The best part about people like you is you think your so emotionally strong; you think you're "tough," a real "man" that can handle himself and hold controversial and offensive opinions because you're so "smart" and "tough," yet people like you never dare speaking your mind in public, to your family, or friends that you are unsure if they agree with you, and if somebody were to get mad at your or offended, you'd convince yourself that they are weak and trying to "censor" you, because you are always the victim. Your entire ideology and persona is built upon insecurity. That's all you are is just insecure. When women, or people of color, or LGBTQ, or anybody that isn't you speaks up about their problems and wants more, your insecurity kicks in and immediately causes you to want to shut them down, but you NEED to feel like you're better than them, because you don't have anything.

[–]Fellero 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They do.

People don't get that fallacies are actually a great debate tactic because people fall for them over and over again.

[–]macc_spice 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Lol sam is pathetic.

[–]JuiceOne 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Sam needs to grow a pair and stop deflecting his responsibility in the threats Tim gets, but he won't because he knows the minute he does those threats are going to start coming at him. It's what happens when you play to and capitulate to those elements.

[–]Moreyouknow 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Guilt by association fallacy is all tim did. Sam is only responsible for himself and never sent people to harass Tim.

[–]satorisoul 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Sam did everything in his power to get his show cancelled. It all falls on him.

[–]Moreyouknow 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sam wanted to put up a show that was politically incorrect and challenged liberals on their viewpoints. Liberals are close minded and canceled his show for it.

[–]Fellero 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sam is only responsible for himself and never sent people to harass Tim.

Liberals weren't the ones doxxing producers and harassing their families.

[–]satorisoul 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is a lot anti political correctness on adult swim, sometimes you just need to make use of common human decency with interactions.

[–]CrawdadMcCray 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sam needs to put one foot in or pull the other out. He's pushing an agenda with his actions that supports racism and homophobia but he's too cowardly to be completely open about it so he chalks it all up to shock value for the sake of lulz. He's a coward and the views he inforces are those of bigotry.

[–]fourfingerfilms 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's fucking comedy dude. It doesn't push any agenda. It's just shit that makes them and like-minded people chuckle. A good portion of his fanbase is liberal and could give a fuck about his political views.

[–]CrawdadMcCray 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Then Sam should publicly tell people that they shouldn't be doing it considering their doing it in his name. If he knows about the problem and does nothing to try to stop it then he's part of the problem.

[–]2jeffrey7boy kathy 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I actually believed Sam Hyde was one of those armed lunatics that shot up a church or something

[–]gustaveIebon 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

the same people who report sam hyde as the shooter for every mass shooting are the same people who "harassed" tim

[–]Fellero 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's a living meme.

Too bad that being blamed for all school shootings and terrorist attacks doesn't pay the bills.

[–]jamcrackersWho ba stank?[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

yeah i think this movie is about sam hyde in some ways, it's pretty funny if you watch it with that in mind

[–]Abe-Orshun 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't like it when dad yells

[–]theramennoodleViss President 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That video does not make Sam look good. He argues like a kid in high school would and doesn't respond with sapient points, he just keeps repeating conspiracy theories Tim denies and that he has no evidence of beyond hearsay. Tim is far more experienced and mature than he is. Regardless if Tim is right or wrong (and I think Tim is right) you can't go into an argument like Sam did with him and expect to win, that's just stupidity. All Sam needed to do was to denounce the negative things some fans have done in his name and keep his mouth shut on social media. But he refuses at every turn and just doubles down. You can't stir the pot like that when dealing with networks. Honestly I don't think Tim ever gave a shit about it but network heads at Adult Swim do. It's a business and when things like what their fans were doing happen the network doesn't want anything to do with it as it would potentially damage the bottom line. Tim is right, he should just go out and do it on his own. If they really do have as many fans as they say earning money should be no problem. But Sam needs to realize that Television isn't YouTube. There are people, sponsors, oversight, regulatory agencies, and money involved. They are a for profit company after all. There are consequences in that context for the things you say and do and how they impact those other people. Clearly Sam refuses to listen to others and understand this. His own lack of maturity, business sense, and stubbornness are what caused his show to get cancelled. Not Tim, not Gelman, not some sort of grand liberal conspiracy. I feel bad for the other people in MDE that did things right and have to deal with the consequences of this.

[–]Psychedelican 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"all Sam had to do was take it up the ass like a pussy, lick the bootheals of the network overlords, and he might have gotten his show back!!!"

You're expecting someone who pushes the envelope to be a spineless coward, and that's not gonna happen.

[–]ReginaldJTrottsfield 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It was cool how Tim said "everyone has cancelled shows" as sort of a conciliatory gesture, as if MDE wasn't cancelled for political reasons and had better ratings than Eric Andre's first season. It must take many years to master that level of passive-aggressiveness.

Also interesting that Tim supposedly stays up late at night reading what random jackasses say about him on Twitter and Reddit. Definitely wasn't just using that as a way to concern-troll [as] into dropping such an "extreme" show with such a "dangerous" fanbase.

[–]RemnantLegacy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So he has time to read troll comments but doesn't have time to watch the 11 minute show that his buddy Brett Gelman is campaigning against with his support.

[–]gpaularoo 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

tim is recking this dude, sam keeps going on and on with no leg to stand on

[–]conanthecnidarian 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Beautiful

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[–]Fart_McFart_FartI do this every night with your son. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wonder if Tim used his Cinco C-Fone for this call.

[–]plibts 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

great