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[–]socokid [スコア非表示]  (37子コメント)

I'm pretty sure he's trolling this great nation.

"Watch. I can put an oil man in charge of the EPA, a Wall Street banker in charge of monetary policy, etc... and they'll do nothing!

It's hilarious!"

[–]Pavonia [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

That's not satire, it's nihilism

[–]Chase1029 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

He did it for the lulz man

[–]-Acerin [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

The type of people who voted for him, its for the lulz.

[–]GlitchHippy [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Right. Half the country. Lulz.... Someone disagrees with you... Must be for Lulz. Must be they support Russia too, right? Fake news said so.

[–]probo1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It feels like it is 100% divided by now. Everyone who likes Trump might as well filter r/politics and anyone who doesn't like him might as well filter T_D. No point in ever having a conversation again, since everyone is 100% rooted in their positions.

[–]Cleon_The_Athenian [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And for some reason people think youre just stupid for it...Its a legitimate belief.

[–]lofi76 [スコア非表示]  (24子コメント)

Trolling implies less damage than this will cause. He's a fascist greedwhore.

[–]OrionBell [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

He is very dangerous to the future of our country, and so are the men he is putting in his cabinet. He is loading up on billionaires from Goldman Sachs and Exxon, two of the most evil companies in America who have caused us suffering in the form of oil spills and economic destruction. These evil men are joined by some generals who will keep them in power. Trump's cabinet is shaping up to be a nightmare for America. This is not conservatism. This is early-stage fascism preparing to bloom in the spring.

[–]SirFoxx [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

He's a fucking patsy for the Russians and as far as I'm concerned from now on the GOP is a Russian backed party of Traitors. If you stand with them you are the enemy. GODDAMN, what would fucking Eisenhower think right now about the GOP? What would he do with them? Hell(even though I didn't like him as President) what would Reagan have thought and done to these vile scumbags?

[–]prisoner42 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yea have to agree I have hope that the electors will choose someone else instead of selling out the country to a traitor from possibly doing irreparable damage to the country.

[–]BonerHonkfart [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The electoral college is made up of party loyalists. That's literally how they're chosen. If you think more than one or two are going to break ranks at this point, you're living in a dream world.

[–]ShreddedChedder [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Just so you know Janet Yellen is the chair of the Fed and thus the person most in charge of monetary policy in the US and will be for the next couple of years. And her loose monetary policies have been pretty good for Wall Street by essentially inflating the stock market through record low interest rates

[–]gonzoparenting [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Wall Street isn't just a few muckity mucks wearing French cuffs and suspenders. It is also pension funds, insurance funds, retirement accounts, savings, business capital, and so on.

If the market tanks our economy tanks and if our economy tanks, the market tanks. Thats how it works.

[–]Odawn [スコア非表示]  (123子コメント)

Imagine that you travel in time back to January 30, 1933, in Germany. You speak German.

You are in a popular barber shop in Berlin. 6 other men and 3 women, friends or wives of the men, are in the barber shop with you. The radio is playing wonderful music by Wilhelm Bach. Everybody is enjoying the music.

A radio announcer interrupts the music program and says he has an important announcement for all Germans and Germany.

Several nice German people crowd around the radio with you to hear the important announcement.

Millions of Germans across Germany are crowding around their radios, too.

The radio announcer says, in German, "Ladies and Gentlemen, today the National Socialist German Worker's Party has just released a statement that it has appointed Adolf Hitler as the new Chancellor of Germany."

Everybody in the barber shop smiles. Everybody likes the news. They are all thinking the same thing, "Hitler. A great man. Our Chancellor. He will make Germany great again."

A man standing next to you, Heinz, asks you, "What kind of Chancellor do you think Hitler will be?

You look straight into Heinz's eyes and answer, "6 years from now he will start World War Two. The war will last 6 years. The war will kill more than 70 million people around the world. Beginning today, during the next 12 years, Hitler will order the execution of more than 11 million Jews and other minorities in Germany, Poland, and other countries that border Germany. Hitler's Nazi Party will murder most of those 11 million victims in concentration camps."

Heinz looks at you like you are crazy and says, "You are out of your mind. Hitler is a great man. We all love him. He will be a great Chancellor. He will make the Fatherland great again. Get out of here. We don't want to ever see or hear you again. Don't ever come back to this barber shop!"

You walk out of the barber shop and return to your life in the year 2016. The date is November 25, seventeen days after the 2016 Presidential Election. You sit down in your comfortable chair in your home and think about what the great American writer Mark Twain once said:

"History does not repeat itself. It rhymes."

[–]YoungSmug [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

"Don't you see, we just need to give Hitler a chance"

- Heinz, 1933

[–]OldCheeseMeister [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

If you don't question your government every single day you are a failure to our founding fathers.

[–]frontierparty [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

The problem is that people have actually taken that do the point where everything government is bad and so it must be dismantled even if it hurts the people. It's still better for everyone.

[–]proanimus [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

I guess it's easier to call the entire system broken from top to bottom, than it is to think critically about what the actual problems are.

[–]OldCheeseMeister [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

This is it man! American culture has turned into this. The fridge is broken, don't fix it buy a new one. So we just bought a new fridge to do the same things... but it has WiFi.

[–]bpusef [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Except this analogy implies the new administration is more advanced than the former.

[–]BeowulfChauffeur [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Yeah, it's more like we replaced the fridge with an icebox.

[–]Yosarian2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not even that practical. We replaced our fridge with an angry polar bear. People "just wanted a change".

[–]philly_fan_in_chi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Nah just a box, we don't know if it has ice or will ever have ice.

[–]OldCheeseMeister [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

WiFi is just the feature they bought into to justify the purchase.

[–]abchiptop [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Don't buy a new one, get the old one that you replaced this one with. It might get the job done this time!

[–]TheDaggestOfNabbits [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If you don't question the founding fathers, you're a failure to skepticism.

[–]kajkajete [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hitler wasn't appointed as Chancellor by the NSDAP but rather by then President Hindenburg.

[–]Eurus22 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Wouldn't be an r/politics thread without a bit of fear mongering

[–]SnoopDrug [スコア非表示]  (36子コメント)

Guys, I know this will be unpopular here, but...

DAE think Trump is literally Hitler?

[–]Ouroboros000 [スコア非表示]  (28子コメント)

DAE think Trump is literally Hitler?

"History does not repeat itself. It rhymes."

[–]Northcarlston [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

I think they mean figuratively

[–]Ouroboros000 [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

The word 'literally' means like the opposite of 'figuratively'.

[–]eraser8 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It actually means both.

From Merriam-Webster:

1: in a literal sense or manner : actually <took the remark literally> <was literally insane>

2: in effect : virtually <will literally turn the world upside down to combat cruelty or injustice — Norman Cousins>

[–]Ouroboros000 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think its clear what the original statement means

[–]Northcarlston [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

calling trump literally Hitler would mean that his dna would actually be Hitler. Hitler the man is dead.

Figuratively means he's symbolic of Hitler. Which he is

[–]Ouroboros000 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

calling trump literally Hitler would mean that his dna would actually be Hitler

What nonsense

[–]Northcarlston [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Literally means exactly.

Kinda like when people say they literally shit their brains out. They mean it figuratively. *except for trump. I think he may have literally shit his brains out years ago

[–]Ouroboros000 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Literally means exactly.

So if someone says "I am literally heartbroken" it means that their heart is physically impaired.

Yeah....no. Just stop with these semantical games.

[–]SnoopDrug [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

Not exactly a rhyme, you know what Hitler was calling for before he even got elected, right? There was a reason Juan Negrín switched the focus to the Republican war effort. People were just a bit hesistant to think WW2 was coming because WW1 was the war to end all wars. Even when Poland was invaded many people didn't realise that the war had started.

There are no signs like this with Trump. He's more protectionist from a millitary perspective. He wasn't for the no fly zone over Syria.

[–]Ouroboros000 [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

You are trying to deny GENERAL similarities with a bunch of specifics, which in effect means you are attempting to deflect the statement.

[–]CaptainDAAVE [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

The difference between 30's Germany and 2016 is Nuclear weapons. Trump doesn't want to die, nor does he want to bring about the annihilation of Western society, which has been so kind to him.

He didn't fight in World War I or see the things Adolf did. He isn't a bitter angry man on path for world domination, to force the world to live the way he thinks best.

He is a television entertainer, a good ole boy who had a silver spoon in his mouth from infancy. He never thought he'd win, and now that he has, it looks like Pence and the religious fundamentalists are in charge. While scary, I doubt they want to kill humanity either.

There was also no internet nor CNN in the 30's. If Trump wants to conquer the world, he will face more than half the country's wrath, which is something we've already seen he doesn't like.

It's going to suck, but he won't be Hitler. He will be like Reagan, or Nixon, or any of the other 'let's cut rich people's taxes" Republicans. And we will probably hit another recession because of it, but we will bounce back.

Now climate change ... that's a whole other story.

[–]Ouroboros000 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The difference between 30's Germany and 2016 is Nuclear weapons.

Blah, blah, blah from the beginning of mankind till now, human nature is what it is.

[–]CaptainDAAVE [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

If what you say is true, and it may be, then we are rightly fucked.

But if we didn't nuke ourselves in the 60's in a much tenser situation, I really doubt it's going to happen now. Like. Really really doubt it.

[–]furrowedbrow [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

In the 60's, the threat of nukes was fresh and new. It was palpable. Today? Stale, taken for granted. We are so entertained today, we can barely recognize an actual, real threat coming over the horizon. Our pattern recognition has dulled. Desensitized. That includes our leaders and their advisors. I've got a sick feeling that we may currently be right and truly fucked.

[–]tack50Foreign [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I think the closest comparison will be George W. Bush.

[–]CaptainDAAVE [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

at least Bush had the dignity of telling his constituents not to lash out at the Muslim community in the aftermath of 9/11. He was actually very respectful of true religious freedom, and I respect him for that.

I also respect him for distancing himself from Rove and Co. in his 2nd term and becoming a man more like his father than like Cheney.

Don't get me wrong, his administration was a disaster, but he didn't target entire races/religions for the purposes of garnering votes.

[–]sugarfreeeyecandy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

nor does he want to bring about the annihilation of Western society, which has been so kind to him.

Trump would simply switch to World Emperor. He holds no allegiance to the US, despite his claims in the 60 Minutes interview. His allegiance is to Trump the man, Trump the brand, Trump the Clan.

[–]ZhouDa [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The internet is part of the reason Trump is president in the first place, it is a useful propaganda tool just like radio was in Hitler's day. I don't think Trump is Hitler and I don't think he'll try to start WW3, although it is possible he'll start a war when he realizes it can get him reelected. In either case though, he's still a fascist and not someone I intend to underestimate.

After all, I remember joining the military just when it was determined that Bush won the presidency and rationalizing that I was OK because Bush campaigned on being military isolationist.

[–]CaptainDAAVE [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm definitely not saying he won't start an unnecessary ground war against a non nuclear power, but there's about a 1 in 1 billion chance he'll blitzkrieg Canada and Mexico on a path to world domination. And also, who is going to fight in that war?

If I'm going to fight and die in a war, it's going to be against a psychopath who wants to send us into a nuclear winter, not against our international friends. And you better believe, with 2 million more people voting against him, there are others who won't stand for that bull shit.

The most concerning thing is if Putin convinces him to ally with him in Syria and we send troops there. That is actually the most realistic shitty thing that could happen here.

[–]Duke_LFG [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Are you serious? Lol.

"He's trying to tell the truth! Stop this man!"

[–]Trump_kills_your_ass [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Holy shit, what a cringefest.

Have you ever thought about authoring a vampire romance?

[–]Cleon_The_Athenian [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Its gotten to the point where I cag tell the difference between reality and satire with these people.

[–]ChaosBeast [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A vampire romance in which the dude likes to pee on his lovers, and the chick really likes to be pooped on. They meet at Taco Bell.

[–]FocusChogath [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Odawn closes his MacBook Pro and saunters to the window. Wistfully he stares to his parents lawn and to the culdesac beyond. A soft rain splashes against the damp window sill. "I tried. I tried to warn them." He mutters choking back painful emotion. A single tear falls and catches the brim of his fedora. It glistens for a moment before absorbing into dark felt obscurity.

[–]Jarmatus [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Hang on. How the fuck does the tear fall onto his fedora? Is he wearing like an overlarge fedora with a punctured top and the brim sitting around nose level?

[–]Vasquerade [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Didn't you know that Obama, feminists, and SJWs ruined gravity?? Trump is going to make gravity great again!

[–]rblue [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The point is to diminish what was said, but it's also goddamn funny. One upvote, plus a downvote makes it a wash but I laughed. 😀

[–]AssBlastersInc [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Jesus fucking Christ. Trump is not Hitler you goddamn hyperbolic babies.

[–]nonamecantthinkofone [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well, Hitler wasn't Hitler when he first took the Chancellorship. In order for that to happen, first came the Reichstag Fire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

...then came the Enabling Act, which was an "emergency" law allowing the executive branch to pass laws without having to go through parliament: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

I hate to say it, but it's not hard to imagine a scenario where there's a terrorist attack and something similar happens in the US.

[–]_The_Pi_ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

A German would have said the same thing in 1933.

[–]PurpleGato42 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"Who's Trump?"

  • An English speaking German in 1933

[–]flaskman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

perhaps but the striking similarities cannot be denied if you are being intellectually honest

[–]Frestyla [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Lol, not only is the headline so sensationalized, the comments are even worse.

[–]Chiffley [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This sub is literally a parody at this point LOL

[–]metrogdor22 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thank you for my daily reminder that Trump is literally Hitler 2.0

[–]wurtis16 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thank God we didn't elect Hillary and have to relive this tragedy. Her policies and rhetoric were very similar to the National Socialist Party with the exception of requiring a personal level of disgust for your country and heritage.

She truly would have destroyed our nation and put us in WW3 with Russia. Electing a bigot is never a good idea. That's why I'm pleased Trump was elected as he's putting together a diverse cabinet of men women of all races and backgrounds. He's already meeting across the aisle with democrat leaders, which he certainly did not have to do. I'm very hopeful for the next 8 years.

[–]trousertitan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Where do you live that you would be an outcast for bashing trump? People get fired over being a trump supporter.

[–]wolfmeister3001 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Back in 2008 amidst the worst economic collapse in American history the Obama administration asked for $300 billion of tax cut to stimulate the economy.

The Republicans didn't want to include the working class to share in the stimulus, but Obama made it a non-negotiable condition of the stimulus.

When the stimulus package came to a vote in congress it passed with zero Republican support.

Tell me again how the Republicans will help working class Americans? When they've shown time and time again they only work for the wealthy elite class of America?

And now the working class elected a billionaire in the White House. I guess they just decided to cut the middleman out of the process

The working class bit the hand that fed it. Now reap what you sow

[–]dtiftw [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Back in 2008 amidst the worst economic collapse in American history the Obama administration asked for $300 billion of tax cut to stimulate the economy.

Quite the feat since the Obama administration didn't start until 2009.

The Republicans didn't want to include the working class to share in the stimulus, but Obama made it a non-negotiable condition of the stimulus.

What exactly are you referring to?

When the stimulus package came to a vote in congress it passed with zero Republican support.

Which stimulus package are you referring to? What exact bill?

[–]moltenmoose [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I was reading how just recently, Democrats were fighting to extend health benefits for retried coal miners. Wanna know who opposed the extension? Republicans. The white working class voted against their best interests, and yes, they will now reap what they have sown.

[–]sivribiber[S] [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Clinton, not Trump, was the conservative candidate in 2016, while Trump was the far-right reactionary. And if the cabinet that president-elect Trump has put together so far is any indication, the policies of the Trump administration will be just as extreme and reactionary as many of us feared. Likewise, if his recent behavior is any guide, he will be just as unpredictable and demagogic in office as he was on the campaign trail.

[–]lofi76 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I've said the same thing for years. It's semantics but also important. Democrats are conservative with the environment, the economy, jobs...the GOP is extremist, cynical, disingenuous and obstructionist. Not just since Obama. Remember Dubbya and his "Clean Air Act" or whatever the Orwellian name was for the law he passed allowing more pollution??

[–]slcotttt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think Trump is actually only interested in money. His campaign in my view was just basically him continuously asking his supporters their worst desires. They repeatedly told him how tribal and awful they are. So now I think Trump, if he had any conscience, now feels somewhat justified in unleashing his gang of capitalist predators on them. And now they'll get privatization of medicare, social security and education, slackening of environmental and safety standards, a replacement of the courts with arbitration, and a removal of basic research and privatization of existing government R&D. His cabinet of activist investors is gonna squeeze every cent out of their latest investment.

[–]illmatic34 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Clinton a conservative? This was the most progressive platform ran for a presidential election in a LONG time. Especially after adopting some of Bernie's platform

[–]toadofsteel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And she was going to go right back to blue dog centrist at best had she been elected. Still a better alternative than Trump, and I did, in fact, hold my nose and vote for her. But still, you can't paint her as some kind of savior just because she started doublespeaking some of Bernie's platform to placate his voters.

[–]kajkajete [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

In what world is the first candidate in 40 years that wants to repeal the Hyde amendment a conservative?!?

[–]Caveat-Emperor [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The one who doesn't even know what it is or care?

Il Douche is the embodiment of all the conservative moral stances of the last 50 years. You guys made him.

[–]FunkyTown313 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Yeah, but what we really need is a snappy name for it. Like "pro-life" for anti-abortionists or "evangelicals" for anti-LGBT.

[–]qulqu [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Trump is basically killing the last vestiges of respect I had for the GOP.

I used to at least accept that they had a more easily implemented economic vision.

Reddit might hate to hear it, but capitalism with minimum restrictions does raise standards of living for the majority of people over time. Some people get fucked in the short term, but it is easier to make a capitalist state that works decently than it is one with lots of central planning (does result in lots of people getting fucked though, but they are a minority).

Now Trump wants to centrally plan the economy with ad hoc tax deals for business that are oversold, crappy infrastructure deals that can subject communities to sudden shifts in tolls, and a huge wall just to keep his base happy.

All of the government spending and taxes, none of the trying to help the unfortunate. Worst of both worlds.

[–]chowderbags [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Reddit might hate to hear it, but capitalism with minimum restrictions does raise standards of living for the majority of people over time. Some people get fucked in the short term, but it is easier to make a capitalist state that works decently than it is one with lots of central planning (does result in lots of people getting fucked though, but they are a minority).

The Democrats aren't actually anti-capitalism, they just notice when capitalism fucks up horribly and say "ok, let's not do that". Regulations aren't all bad, nor are they all good, they're something you have to take on an individual basis and evaluate the overall effects, and reevaluate periodically to see if new information or changes in the world result in a different evaluation. Some of the environmental regulations we have today probably would've been a bad idea 150 years ago, and 150 years from now they might be obsolete for other reasons.

[–]Pavonia [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What's your definition of "minimal?" Capitalism has always had government intervention, planning, and restrictions. America used tariffs and slavery to get wealthy. Europe used imperialism. Japan had heavy state involvement in the Zaibatsu. Today China has capitalism and recently had some of the most impressive growth in history, but it's state directed. The so-called laissez-faire golden age of the 19th century or Pre-New Deal world is a myth.

[–]I_Hate_Disco [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

but capitalism with minimum restrictions does raise standards of living for the majority of people over time

Capitalists did not raise the standard of living. It was the unions.

If the capitalists had their way, things would have remianed the same as it did during the Gilded Age of Capitalism, the late 19th century. They would just continue to hoard all the profits.

Workers had to fight for our benefits, they were never freely given by the capitalists.

[–]FunkyTown313 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I mostly agree with you, but easy does not always equal best.

[–][deleted] [スコア非表示]  (98子コメント)

The campaign was Neonazi, but it wasn't really traditional GOP. Sadly for the GOP, they've embraced him fully since he won (cowards).

But when you run a party that based on anti-immigrant policy, that calls for religious tests to enter the country, special surveillance of minorities, religious registries, repeatedly cites racists and racist propaganda, and does things like arguing a federal judge is unfair because of his ethic heritage--well then, you're neonazi. Not hyperbole here. This is neonaziism and we'd easily understand it as such if it were in another country.

[–]friendlyscv [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

stop having conversations with me in the title first

[–]freebluespike [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No stop trying to avoid the responsibility, they are the conservative Party and we should call them what they are. I am sicken and tired trying to give them a safe space and called alt right instead of kkk. Evangelical instead of racists, etc.

[–]AsterJ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Over labeling is how the Democrats lost. If they do it again they will lose again. That is not a message that works outside of California.

[–]amuricanbrit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well isn't that quite the reactionary headline.

[–]Wrym [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Oh for fuck's sake. Reactionary is conservative. Words have meanings. How about we stop pretending conservatism isn't a malignant ideology?

[–]Dockirby [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, this is an opinion I have held for years, the modern Republican party is simply not a conservative party. Its hard to label them though, the best way I can think to describe them on the national level is a radical pro plutocracy party.

[–]gheag2015 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

You know this sub has gone to shit when there's a salon article at the top everyday lol

[–]hblask [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Name calling, conspiracies, the race card, the Russians. Anything to not look at their own horrible, corrupt candidate and out-dated 20th century policies.

Don't worry, Democrats, I'm sure it'll work better in the next election. Just stick to the same path.

[–]DeusExLamina [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I dunno... Salon's clickbait 'reporting' is pretty dangerous, destructive, and reactionary.

[–]convery [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Hard-hitting investigative journalism on the frontpage of /r/politics as per usual..

[–]Ouroboros000 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Its interesting how educators/the media have made it so the word for the far left: 'radical' - is part of normal conversation, but so many are not aware of the corresponding term for the far right, "reactionary"

But yeah, Trump is shaping up to be the very definition of a 'reactionary'.

[–]PainusMania2018 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Conservatives in the US ARE dangerous reactionaries; semantically and politically there isn't a difference.

[–]inquirer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I thought politics was banning fake news stories from Salon and Slate

[–]Caveat-Emperor [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The Conservatives in this country made Il Douche. He is all theirs. He is the embodiment of their moral and economic stance for the past 50 years.

The Conservatives need to accept their role in his creation, admit they are directly responsible and then MAYBE we can accept they are a different dogma than Il Douche.

[–]wattmang [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The party of Donald trump is conservative.

[–]throwawayyoucanhate [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, well... we'll see if the conservatives resist him. If not, then they are his party.

[–]btinc [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Personally, I don't think that Trump is the next Hitler. He doesn't have the focus. He's the opening act. Pence is much more likely.

[–]opacities [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's a proto-fascist, theocratic party working for neo-feudalists. They literally act as enemies of this country and try to bring us down as hard as possible from within.

[–]baby_bomb_squad [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And stop using the American flag as your symbol because quite honestly it's embarassing for the rest of Americans who still have a decent level of integrity left

[–]lairdhenn [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

There are more articles from Salon on this subreddit than actual news sources. Why are you guys trying so hard to look so embarrassing?

[–]deeprogrammed [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Just like the media, I don't think they realize how dumb they look to reasonable people

[–]tinklepee [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I mean it's both destructive and conservative depending on your beliefs.

[–]dcthinking [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Friday, on Morning Joe, the breaking news banner read: "Trump's EPA Pick Conservative on Climate Change"

[–]miryslough [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes, please. I know there are some "conservatives" supporting Trump, but they are wrong or stupid/ignorant.

Please don't associate people who actually believe in conservative principles with these Trump people. They have abandoned an ideology and their own convictions.

[–]Wombizzle [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, fuck Republicans amirite guise??

[–]pemachodron4prez [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This cabinet is so crazy. Next up, Chris Christie heads Dept of fitness and nutrition.

[–]dannytheguitarist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, because the conservative party, through inaction, submission or just plain indifference, allowed the Republican party to become dangerous, destructive reactionaries.

Trump isn't the cause. He's the symptom. The only reason Trump is blamed is because he's the tumor, not the headache.

[–]ShadowEntity [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

On the other hand, stop with this stupid war of words. The "don't call them alt-right" week of the media was already terribly boring.

It has no essence and obscures the real bullshit that's going on. And that's a thing we can actually change: Don't post such articles

[–]sabre_toothed_llama [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I will never understand why Salon.com is an acceptable source for articles on a neutral-ground political discussion subreddit.

[–]PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Jesus Christ this sub is posting Salon articles now.

[–]FirstRyder [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I've always liked "regressive". I mean, when they try to make "progressive" a dirty word, it just seems like the obvious response. Also helpfully descriptive of their tax policies.

[–]edanbradberry [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So we're just gonna section off the 46% of the people who voted for trimp as dangerous and destructive reactionaries? Nice! let us continue this game of us vs them and demonize people with different views.

[–]Odawn [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The next time Trump has another one of his regurgitated gobbledegook psychobabble rallies, if he gives his worshippers a big league believe me promise that they will go to heaven if they tattoo the word "Trump" on the skin of their babies and little children, how many babies and little children will grow up with Trump tattoos on their skin?

[–]Pavonia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm more worried about them tattooing numbers on other peoples' arms

[–]factsRcool [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

Their hated of minorities and the poor is kinda conservative, but otherwise it's neoliberal kleptocrats all the way down

[–]AtomicKoala [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

"Neoliberals" wouldn't be ignoring economics as the GOP does.

[–]PainusMania2018 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Why not? They have been doing it all over Europe.

[–]AtomicKoala [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Eh, not in the magic asterisk sense. I'm European, I'm well aware of the problem we have: austerity in individual states can work (eg Sweden and Finland in the 90s) so long as it is localised. When all of Europe engages in austerity, that leads to unused capacity and reduced growth.

The problem is that most of us elect deficit hawks. But they are actual deficit hawks. They aren't cutting taxes.

[–]kornian [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

neoliberal kleptocrats

So, they're democrats who hate minorities and the poor?

[–]hecate37 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

it's economics. there are fundamentally two types of economic systems, neoliberal and democratic socialist. neoliberal is what we've had since reagan, democratic socialism is what we used to have (remember how everyone confused Bernie for a socialist? it's about economics, they were "confused"). the stock market crash? neoliberalism.

The fundamental difference between NeoLiberalism and Democratic Socialism is the role of the state, relative to the markets and players in it. In the former, the state serves the market (thus subjecting every aspect of citizen-subjects’ lives to its influence)- in the latter, the state checks its excesses and failures, thus buffering citizens’ lives from corporate power. In Democratic Socialism, we’re still capitalists and have private property and all that, but the role of the state is to regulate the markets, in the public interest. It involves things like correcting market failures like monopolies and trusts, putting boundaries around public goods like the environment to discourage market failures like externalities. In NeoLiberalism, we’re still capitalists and have private property and all that, but the role of the state is in service of the markets, in the interest of market players. Of the two, the latter cannot be reconciled with the values of liberal democracy. The former creates a separation between powerful corporate interests and political power with which to retrench their influence, while the latter erases that separation, thus consolidating the interests of the state and those of corporate titans.

[–]kornian [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

there are fundamentally two types of economic systems, neoliberal and democratic socialist.

Bernie is democrat socialist, most of the democratic party certainly isn't.

[–]liberationation [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What a shameful reduction that ignores reality. There is far more than just "neoliberal" and "demsoc." And your revisionist history shows ignorance and bias.

You really think Keynes was a democratic socialist? That man became the most popular figure with government economists during the depression. No one in the government in the US or in Western Europe was actually socialist in the way you present (not even in Scandinavia).

[–]deMondo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's what conservatives have now proven themselves to be. By their fruits ye shall know them. These are the people that are drawn to the conservative thought and encouraged by conservative think tanks and academics.

[–]dangshnizzle [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I agree whole heartedly but be honest with yourself about what the Democrats have become:/

[–]woovesforlambs [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Pretty much everything Ryan and the GOP have proposed in the wake of Nov.8 has been boilerplate conservative stuff. Reduce and privatize everything, restrict abortions, America First the rest get the pieces. I reject the assertion that there is anything new going on here.

For the last 30 years the goal of the GOP has been to reduce the size of government to the point where it fails so they can use the failure as a justification for privatization. Minus the fashy elements of their rhetoric getting a fresh coat of paint there is nothing new here.

[–]bearadox [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And to be clear, the Republican Party is the party of Donald Trump. All those people who said that Donald Trump doesn't represent the Republican Party have either shut up, endorsed him, or will be silenced in the years to come.

Not that the Republicans were kind-hearted, free-market conservatives before this election.

[–]lowlifelikeu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Trump was elected by self proclaimed conservatives.

[–]Freedom_Eagle_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Memba when this sub wasn't full of bias? I memba..

[–]nsdwight [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Reactionary is the definition of conservative.

[–]brainiac3397 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

No. A reactionary is basically a conservative who acts like a liberal for the right-wing. It's worse because unlike a liberal who may want to go forward with reforms, a reactionary wants to go backwards with reforms but by being on the right-wing they also don't give you a shit about whether you support it or not.

[–]claymedia [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Reactionaries are by definition on the opposite side of the spectrum from progressives.

Also, the word "liberal" is not being used correctly here. Liberalism is not the opposite of conservatism, in fact the Republicans have been big supporters of liberalism/neoliberalism but with a conservative social bent. In simple terms it is support of free market capitalism. So while Hillary Clinton can be called a liberal, Bernie and other people who are further to the left cannot. These people are leftists or progressives. Similarly, people to the right of neoliberalism can accurately be called reactionaries, rightists, and fascists.

[–]brainiac3397 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Liberalism literally means supporting liberty, meaning the basis of thought is reasoning around the concept of liberty and equality(though classical focuses more on the liberty aspect while the social variant focuses on equality). This is in contrast to conservatism, which functions on the basis of experience with tradition and authority.

Conservative and Liberal are political philosophies. Left-Right wing is political classification(liberals fit under the left, conservatives fit under the right). Then with economic principles, there is a slightly different spectrum due to how those are defined in relation to political classification and philosophy.

You can break it down to social and economic, but in the US, liberal(Democrat) economics generally means regulated capitalism while conservative(GOP) economics refers to free market capitalism. Specifically, the Democrats/liberals are social liberals regarding the economy while the GOP/conservatives are economic liberals on the economy. It's confusing, but a major reason has to do with the fact that the US is technically a spectrum of liberal on the mainstream level(because whether we talk about liberals or conservatives, free market capitalism is supported but with opinions split on how regulated it should be and how it should contribute).

On a philosophical level, liberal is the opposite of conservative. A liberal supports liberty and relies on reasoning to support their conclusions. A conservative supports tradition and relies on experience to their conclusion. They're both direct opposites that hold different approaches on what to base decisions on.

Neo-liberalism is nothing more than economic liberalism taken a step further with an intended goal of privatizing everything(rather than mere deregulation and barrier removal). In terms of the US, it's predominantly something followed by the GOP rather than the Democrats.

A reactionary is basically a "conservative progressive" in the sense they want to move in the opposite direction. Reactionaries are generally considered to be "extremely conservative" as they do not want to merely resist frequent reform/progressivism, but actually adopt a status quo ante because of the belief that the previous status quo was functional and effective.

The reason this isn't as well understood in the US and the mixing of "leftist" with "liberal" and vice-versa is because the US political center IS liberal as we have no historic conservative base. The only true conservative stance would basically be believing the US should go back to being a subject of the United Kingdom and I don't think I've heard of such a belief being popular after the Revolution.

Our conservatives are just less liberal than our liberals. It's literally a case of "left-liberal" vs "right-liberal". In the end, we're all liberal because the US is still relatively new as a country and because the US formed as a liberal country on the basis of liberty, freedom, and equality from the start. We were never a monarchy, so we never developed the kind of paternalism found in other parts of the world. It's also why we have such a hard time adopting "foreign" political ideologies that don't reside within our boundary of liberalism.

[–]claymedia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't have anything else to add except to thank you for a really well-written answer. You summarized the liberal ideology much better than I did.

[–]tinklepee [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Lol you say they want to go backwards and they call you regressive. Both overly simplistic points of view.

[–]brainiac3397 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

overly simplistic points of view.

It's easy to call things simplistic when folk can't handle the complex version of it...

[–]toodrunktofuck [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Stop calling the party of Pelosi and Clinton Democrats.

[–][deleted] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They're most certainly Democrats, just like Obama. They're centrists and can arguably be considered conservatives in most things too, but they're the heart of the Democratic party. In fact, there is a whole faction that is much further right and is anti-abortion. We saw them come to the forefront back when Obamacare looked like it might not pass as conservative Dems fought and stopped the public option.

As a progressive I don't like this, but that's the Democratic party. Oddly, progressives best candidate was HRC this cycle as she would have put in a liberal majority at the Sup Crt that might have reined in the corporate financing of elections that created this bullshit.

[–]nsdwight [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You mean progressive.

Democrat is a fluid label, progressive is a definable school of thought and rule.