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[–]wokeupabug 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (8子コメント)

"You guys can watch Cosmos... you can just do that, and by doing so you will just systematically grow your love for logic."

:D

[–][deleted] 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (7子コメント)

systematically

[–]kogasaplsA ∧ ¬A ⊢ 💣 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (6子コメント)

This is a cult based on the charisma of an uneducated delusional font of pseudo-scientism buzzwords.

Logic, objectivity, systematically, efficiency, reality.

[–][deleted] 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (5子コメント)

You'd think he'd want to avoid using euphoric so much. Edit: not that it's a buzzword, more because of its association with one of the most widely ridiculed atheist quotes on the internet.

[–]JohannesdeStrepitu 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Ridiculed? That guy's a professional quotemaker. What are you saying.

[–]ThatLefty 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

No, he specifically said he wasn't.

[–]MrBojangoUnchained 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He was just an atheist teenager who greatly values his intelligence and scientific fact.

[–]ThatLefty 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was just an atheist teenager who greatly values his intelligence and scientific fact.

/r/Whatcouldgowrong

[–]JohannesdeStrepitu 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He did say that, but his work bears the mark of professional craftsmanship. He can't hide that.

[–]kogasaplsA ∧ ¬A ⊢ 💣 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (14子コメント)

I was gonna make a long post about this one but haven't had the time. This guy believes he has found a 4 step method to change your "core value" from the human "default" of "comfort" to that of "logic." (Gratuitous quotes are necessary here.) In doing so, you become MUCH more (dozens of times or more) intelligent, efficient, motivated, and beneficial to society; Athene believes he himself is the most intelligent person alive "by far," even beating out the likes of Einstein.

His belief is that changing your "core value" to "logic," a process called "clicking," involves acknowledging the non-existence of morality and the unimportance of subjective things. Only by being "logical" can you come closer to the "objective reality," which is the natural order of things and the objectively best way for things to be.

Athene believes his ideas, which make up the religion he dubbed Athenism, will spread rapidly across the scientific community and then the world, becoming a global universal religion. Once you "click," you transcend subjectivity and overcome mental illness and delusions and realize how Athenism is the only truth. He believes Einstein "clicked," because Einstein believed in the work of Spinoza. He claims that he is "completing Spinoza's work," by including twenty-first century knowledge of neuroscience to create what he calls neuro-Spinozism. Spinoza clicked. He just didn't have the big picture.

That big picture involves the knowledge that the reward center of the brain is related to feelings of satisfaction. Neil "The Grass" Tyson said once that he is overwhelmed with awe at the thought of the beauty of the cosmos, and said he wished someone would attach electrodes to his head to show that that awe is the same feeling experienced by the religious in reverence of God. Replacing outdated ideals with logic involving a region of the brain? Exactly what Athene's talking about! NDT CLICKED! Athene DID the experiment NDT only dreamed of and he has the evidence, the final missing key! Surely now there is no debate that Athenism is the only truth; will you argue with Einstein, Spinoza, and Kneel Before Tyson?

Besides, there is a wealth of scientific information supporting the miraculous capabilities of this four step method of Athenism. He has SEVERAL anecdotal cases of people who underwent therapy for depression/bipolar for SEVERAL YEARS, who clicked and are now definitely cured. And it's peer reviewed! By athenists. The ones in the study. Documentary. YouTube video. Ooh boy. Will add more later, and specific quotes and clips. Lovely stuff

Edit 1: The best part, he rents an abandoned mental hospital and lives with his converts in it.

Edit 2: Check out their subreddit (but do NOT vote or comment; remember the Prime Directive): /r/makingsense

[–]bunker_man 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I mean, to be fair he is living the dream. Who doesn't want to make a theo-philosophical cult? Really there should be less self aggrandizing delusions and insane nonsense though. When I make process philosophy into a cult, there won't be open insanity. Just some of the language will make you think there is.

[–]kogasaplsA ∧ ¬A ⊢ 💣 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

This guy is having a mental breakdown or manic episode. The way he talks when he explains (in complete gibberish) how Einstein, Spinoza, and NDT all clicked and how his religion will soon become universal, he becomes giddy and forces out words faster than he can process them. Anyone with the awareness to realize what he's saying is nonsense can see he needs help. But no, he found a bunch of idiots on the internet to feed his delusions, label the non-believers trolls and fools, etc., so he'll never get help. I don't think he intended to start a cult. He just genuinely believes he's made the most important discovery in human history, and he has to spread it.

[–]bunker_man 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair, I can understand why certain people who really like atheism, but aren't overly bright might see it as convincing. The idea that there's a specific mental paradigm that will suddenly fix your irrationality is something a lot of that type of person probably intuitively subconsciously believe in.

[–]kogasaplsA ∧ ¬A ⊢ 💣 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It should be obvious to anyone that Athene hasn't presented a valid argument and is making claims he can't possibly support or even understand. His knowledge of Spinoza literally extends to the content of a YouTube video about Spinoza which he watched on stream after someone told him to look up Spinoza. But it was obvious then that he was completing Spinoza's work, realizing his dream. His knowledge of neuroscience doesn't even scratch the first week of Psych 101, he knows about "the reward center of the brain" and thinks you can "rewire it," with thoroughly non-scientific justification for how you would do so. There's just nothing there, so it's incredible that people take this so seriously. If it were a self-help movement without the cultish behavior I would understand, but calling your movement a religion and inviting the devout to live with you in an old mental hospital is next level shit.

[–]paradigmarson 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see a lot of buzzwords and much of the language doesn't sound too precise. I also see potential signs of psychosis. It reminds me a bit of how I acted as an autistic teenager: benevolently narcissistic, attempting to start movements.

That said, I think he may be onto something, even if it isn't strictly new. What he described sounds very much like what I went through as a teenager: value logic and truth above all else, negate all other values, make pursuit of truth the only basis for thought. Didn't go well for me, admittedly. I think a lot of people go through a similar crisis when they're young. Perhaps writing a theory of how to do it properly is helpful -- or dangerous. To me he seems to have some good intuitive insights based upon little knowledge or academic skills. He should balance that powerful intuition with better definitions, citations, testable hypotheses, etc -- the stuff that scientists and philosophers deal with.

I'm not sure exactly how 'the god helmet' works. Sounds dangerous.

[–]throwawaypopartagain 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Halt!

Your plan was to make process theology into a cult. Process philosophy was my idea!

This will not stand! The Choosers will not have our intellectual copyright so mishandled.

You are challenged sir!

[–]bunker_man 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I told you there would be some of both but I'd call it theology to make it sound crazier. This is exactly what I'm saying now.

[–]Apotheist2317Hegelian Robo-evangelist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uh, I'm already on that.

[–]Illogical_BloxLet’s review this curious non-interchange. 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The best part, he rents an abandoned mental hospital and lives with his converts in it.

I guess that the saying about criminals returning to the scene of the crime can be expanded, then.

[–]TheKasp 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sorry, on mobile and can't check the vid out but Athene? The guy from WoW Athene? The one who was basically a troll persona when I saw his first video is effin classic?

[–]kogasaplsA ∧ ¬A ⊢ 💣 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The same.

[–]tuta5 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's been doing this kind of thing for a while. It's already been five years since he published his "theory of everything".

[–]Joff_Mengum 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey, change the link from www.np. to just np. or just www.

Doing both gets privacy errors for some browsers.

[–]kogasaplsA ∧ ¬A ⊢ 💣 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Changed, thanks

[–]chronopede 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This video will change your life—for real. Like... I know it might take a bit more—time.. or little, we're also working on the documentary. It's not just completely change your life—it's also gonna cause a..chain-reaction. It's basically gonna change the world, and uhh...

Holy shit, it opens like a Rick and Morty sketch

[–]wokeupabug 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And then we're gonna go do even more logic, people. And you're gonna change your lives with it, people. Because the world is full of idiots that don't understand what's important. And they'll tear us apart, people.

But if you stick with me, I'm going to accomplish great things, people. And you're gonna be part of 'em! And together we're gonna run around, people... we're gonna do all kinds of logical things, people! Just you and me, people! The outside world is our enemy, people! We're the only... friends we've got, people! It's just Athene and his people! Athene and his people and their logic, people!

Athene and his people forever... and forever... a hundred years! Athene and logic, some... things... Me and Athene and logic, and running around... Athene and logic time! All day long, forever, and... a hundred days! Athene and logic forever a hundred times! Over and over Athene and logic, adventures... dot com. W w w dot Athene and logic dot com... w w w Athene and his people adventures... all a hundred years! Every minute, Athene and logic dot com! W w w a hundred times! Athene and logic dot com!

[–]antin0m 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I teach formal logic and holy cow I never knew it's why we have gravity!

[–]kogasaplsA ∧ ¬A ⊢ 💣 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It is my biggest question what exactly this man believes logic is. I don't think he knows there's such a thing as formal logic.

[–]medusavsexosopher extraordinaire 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Formal logic is just a fancy-pants childish way of translating what he said, i.e. pure objective logic.

[–]lestrigone 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Historical nemesis of Rationalia. Two intellectual super-powers that will fight to the death (or irrationality cuz it's the same) for hegemony on small bourgeoisie culture.

[–]vanKraaussenDestructive Empiricist[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The YT channel features more of the same.

Is it still possible to nominate something for The UltimatePhilosopher Memorial Grammy if they have already started a cult based on their ideas?

[–]thedeliriousdonutkantian meme scholar 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's interesting that you're the one posting this because when I saw the documentary, I was going to message you saying the narrator sounds like you! You read my mind and stumbled upon this video. :)

[–]vanKraaussenDestructive Empiricist[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh god I hope I don't have an equally godawful accent and intonation

[–]thedeliriousdonutkantian meme scholar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

aw lets not make fun of voices :( not everyone has a beautiful voice like you

I think your accents are definitely different, but they're both quite deep and the little inflection at the end of each sentence is the same.

[–]Boracho1121 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is like legit cult shit. This isn't even bad philosophy, it's beyond that point. He's gonna be de-fooing motherfuckers any day now

[–]GregorSamsaraI suggest you study formal logic 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh good, has he posted this one to /r/philosophy and lied about having a specific mod's permission to do so yet?

[–]digiexafanPhilosophy of mind has found that memes are the DNA of the soul. 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Athene's madness is getting legitimately worrying.

[–]jLoop 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wasn't he, like, an ironically self-aggrandizing World of Warcraft streamer or something? What happened?

[–]dinofunkPost-femino-marxist Mom Fucker 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What people assumed was irony was in fact sincerity

[–]bunker_man 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

sandra svensson1 month ago Wtf happend to this channel lol

kek

[–]ThatLefty 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember watching a vid of him leveling a character in WoW really fast years ago. I thought this was a gaming channel.

[–]NecroleptiqueIt's basically combinatorics 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am pleasantly surprised by the reception of this video.

[–]kurtgustavwilckensBeyond Alright and Whatever 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What pisses me off the most is that there doesn't seem to be one mention (in the Youtube vids, in the subreddit, in the recommended content, anywhere) about reading books. Not one single fucking book.

[–]MacDemariusThere's a new Nietzsch-boy in town 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Foreign guy finds four crazy tricks to start a logical human revolution! (Psychologists, logicians, epistemologists, physicists and pretty much everyone else hates him!) click here to find out how!!!!

[–]Honno[🍰] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Athene's a nice guy for sure, but lmao

[–]Shitgenstein 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Nice guy? Dude had a bitch-fit when a commenter called bullshit on one of his videos.

Strikes me as super insecure and somewhat confused.

[–]Honno[🍰] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Oh man, what happened haha?

I mostly remember Athene for his massive charity fundraising, which was really quite commendable of him.

[–]Shitgenstein 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Him, or someone else, posted a video called "Does Life Have A Purpose?"

It was part pseudo-science, part pseudo-philosophy but all bad.

A /r/philosophy reg, I forget who, called it out and dude makes a new thread to respond to the criticism, calls the mods Nazis for deleting the thread, whines about it on Twitch, decides to make a video calling all philosophy bullshit (you know, a calm and measured response) and spams it to /r/philosophy. Lots of it was deleted or I'm too lazy now from turkey to track it all down.

https://www.reddit.com/r/badphilosophy/comments/547cw6/is_this_nazi_germany/

Hosting a charity doesn't make one not an asshole. In fact, it's a popular way for assholes to quickly win praise without actually doing anything themselves.

Dude thinks everything he says is pure Neuroscience® and Logic®.

[–]cropped-n-skewed 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

he's the Best Paladin In the World™ though

[–]SpookyMood 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Cmon dude, stupidity isnt equal to being an asshole, you guys mix those two things too often here. Not everyone deals well with criticism either.

I dont see any reasons whatsoever to think this guy is a bad dude and it might be the case that he has a legit mental breakdown. In fact I am almost sure of it.

[–]Shitgenstein 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Cmon dude, stupidity isnt equal to being an asshole, you guys mix those two things too often here. Not everyone deals well with criticism either.

Am I equating those? Fairly certain I think he's just an asshole.

I dont see any reasons whatsoever to think this guy is a bad dude and it might be the case that he has a legit mental breakdown. In fact I am almost sure of it.

I'm not.

I don't know much about the guy but from this encounter, I don't think he's actively a "bad dude" in the sense of actively deceiving people but nor do I think he's mentally unwell.

Just seems like a functioning narcissist like most twitch/youtubers who reach some level of viewership.

[–]SpookyMood 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man

https://www.reddit.com/r/badphilosophy/comments/5evy2a/more_athene_logicman2016_the_final_sacrifice/

The guy created a cult and is inviting people to his house.

I am going to go with mental breakdown.

Or very elaborated troll.

[–]CH0AM_N0MSKYNot as smart as Ham Sarris 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I always thought he was a piece of shit.