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The Onion mocking and dismissing Pizzagate. The coordination to discredit this is getting suspicious and terrifying (theonion.com)

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[–]democracystrikesback 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

oh no not the onion too!

but then we know who bought that recently don't we

[–]spurty_loads [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

that is right, the Onion is now legacy media.

[–]LupinePeregrinans [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Is legacy media catching on? I think legacy sounds kinda positI've which is why I haven't used it myself

[–]SixVISix 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Majority control of The Onion was purchased in January of 2016 by Univision. Univision is owned by a conglomerate called Univision Communications. One of the companies holding a controlling stake in Univision Communications is Saban Capitol, a company owned by Haim Saban.

Mr. Saban,an Israeli citizen, is one of the largest overall donors to Hillary Clinton.

Ta da.

[–]DankPepe81 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The incompetence at debunking is breathtakingly bad, whether you believe in PG or not.

[–]Horus_Krishna_4 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

owned by Hillary pals, so more proof, if they deny it it must be true

[–]snowmandan 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Isnt the onion, by definition, the kind of fake news that "fake news" was originally supposed to describe ?

[–]f0rkyou 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

why yes, yes it is...

[–]snowmandan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

How long did it take to come full circle? 2 weeks? Less than that? Must have been record time. I'm not sure they're going to be able to bury this.

[–]f0rkyou 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

only time will tell

[–]I-o-n-i-x [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Came here to say this. Well, something like it.

The Onion is satire, thus the articles they publish are BS.

Isn't that like a double negative?

[–]TheNewDeporable 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit. For those who don't want to take the time to watch, this video basically says: "Is PG true? No! And these two user names are responsible for the lies. End of video." Don't they realize they are actually making believers out of these empty attempts?

[–]LKMKLK 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Owned by univison

[–]libbylibertarian 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Getting suspicious? I think we passed that point about a mile back.

[–]Tunderbar1 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a good way to identify who's vested in the establishment media.

The moment they actively try to dismiss it, they're busted.

[–]goddagedit 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

it is only getting suspicious to you now?

[–]Roylmc[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess more suspicious.

[–]schlarp 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It is possible to mock pizzagate without being a shill, you know.

The people don't know since they read a short summary with certain biases. Keep in mind though that you have slight biases, too, always.

Please don't be offended, I want to be honest here, you need to understand your enemies:

Some of the people here and PG in general are seen as overly motivated, very naive 16 year old boys who have nothing better to do than playing internet detective in a very laughable way. I'm not saying this is actually the case, but people that fit this description certainly exist here to some amount.

Anyway, I think that is how they see it and I cannot completely condemn them. We have no strong evidence and things sound a little bit too wild to be true.

So it is very probable that The Onion sees it like this too and has some fun with it. This does not mean they must be part of a coordinated discredit operation and does not mean to be terrified, which you are claiming here. Your post and its title is just adding fuel to the fire.

People who trust The Onion will see your thread as another piece of evidence that this is all total BS. Don't take yourself so serious, let them do their thing and you work on producing something substantial in the meantime. I would love it if, at some point in the future, you could show them that they were wrong.

[–]DeletesAccounts0ften [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

While I appreciate your view point, I think most people here are referring to the fact that The Onion was bought out in January by top Hillary financial supporter Haim Saban. Ever since the buy-out there have been pieces written with an obvious agenda in mind. Which goes against the fundamental purpose of The Onion. Unfortunately it is the end of an era for political satire as we see a lot of the big media critics bought up and controlled by benefactors.

[–]peanutwrath66 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The masks are coming off at an alarming rate :o)

[–]philosophocles 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Perhaps this is a mockery of the MSM?

[–]ButtRichard [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If The Onion is calling it fake news and they are Satire are they not actually giving some credence to the possibility?

[–]LupinePeregrinans [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If a fake news publication describes something as fake then does that mean it's true?

[–]Mr_Saturn1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

People tend to make fun of absurd and outrageous things. The lot here fits that mold perfectly. I'm sure you can expect plenty more.

[–]SquareShapeCloud 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you guys not realize how ridiculous the pizzagate theory sounds? It's really not surprising that people are just laughing it off

[–]obscure_survivor [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

In your own words can you tell me why you think it's so ridiculous? I'm just curious. Not trying to start anything. Would genuinely like to know your stance.

[–]Freeman1984 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Real Fake News.

[–]samsongoliath16 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

dont get scared keep spreading it

[–]JoJoRumbles -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (22子コメント)

It's being mocked by everyone because it's ridiculous, there's no evidence to support it, and the people who believe this nonsense are super gullible.

[–]mz23 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Have you looked at the evidence all of us are misinterpreting?

I'm sure everybody pals around with convicted pedos. Collects pedo artwork. I'm sure there is no connection to any pedo activities though. All circumstantial evidence, but that should be enough to investigate.

[–]JoJoRumbles 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Have you looked at the evidence all of us are misinterpreting?

No, in fact I haven't seen any evidence at all for this pizza gate nonsense.

I'm sure everybody pals around with convicted pedos.

And I'm sure bigfoots wife is cheating on Bigfoot with the leprechauns. Unverifiable claims are unverifiable.

I'm sure there is no connection to any pedo activities though.

The complete lack of evidence points to this conclusion.

All circumstantial evidence,

Of which there is none.

but that should be enough to investigate.

A quantity of zero evidence is not "enough to investigate". Why do you think there is no evidence for this nonsense? That's not rhetorical, I genuinely want to hear an answer.

[–]libbylibertarian 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (15子コメント)

No, in fact I haven't seen any evidence at all for this pizza gate nonsense.

Well, at least you can admit you are closed minded.

[–]JoJoRumbles -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Well, at least you can admit you are closed minded.

I admitted no such thing. There's a difference between open minded and gullible.

Open minded is willingness to examine the evidence before accepting or rejecting a claim.

Closed minded is unwillingness to examine the evidence and just rejecting the claim through personal bias.

Gullibility is just accepting a claim regardless of a lack of evidence.

See the difference? I'm willing to examine the evidence, but none has been presented. That makes me open minded.

You swallowed the claim hook, line, and sinker with absolutely no evidence to support it. That makes you gullible.

If that's a problem for you, then let's examine the evidence together, assuming of course you can find any.

[–]libbylibertarian 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I admitted no such thing.

Oh really? So when you stated the following:

No, in fact I haven't seen any evidence at all for this pizza gate nonsense.

How did you determine it was nonsense if you haven't so much as looked at any of it? That was you admitting you are closed minded because only a closed minded person would dismiss something with this much traction without bothering to even investigate it themselves.

Open minded is willingness to examine the evidence before accepting or rejecting a claim.

Thank you for making my point. You refuse to examine the evidence, but you've rejected the claims nonetheless....are you completely oblivious to this?

You swallowed the claim hook, line, and sinker with absolutely no evidence to support it. That makes you gullible.

I've done no such thing. My position is there may very well be something to this. I have not come out definitively one way or another. You however, without looking at a shred of information, have come out definitively. That makes you closed minded at best.

Enjoy your weekend!

[–]JoJoRumbles 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Oh really?

Ya really.

So when you stated the following:

How did you determine it was nonsense if you haven't so much as looked at any of it?

Because of the ever evolving details, the source of where it came from, and it's perpetuation despite a complete lack of evidence.

Things that are asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. See how that works?

Thank you for making my point. You refuse to examine the evidence,

I didn't refuse to examine the evidence, there is no evidence to examine. See the difference?

but you've rejected the claims nonetheless....

That's right. Anything that can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.

are you completely oblivious to this?

I'm quite aware of what's going on because, unlike you, I actually understand what the burden of proof is and how it is completely justified to dismiss claims that have failed to meet their burden.

I've done no such thing. My position is there may very well be something to this.

Is your position based on evidence, yes or no?

You however, without looking at a shred of information, have come out definitively.

There is no evidence to examine. Any claim that has no evidence to support it should be dismissed.

That makes you closed minded at best.

I already explained to you what closed minded means, and you still got it wrong? How did that happen?

[–]libbylibertarian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Because of the ever evolving details, the source of where it came from, and it's perpetuation despite a complete lack of evidence.

You just stated you haven't looked at any of the information. None of it. Now you are changing your tune. You seem very shallow and dishonest, not to mention cringeworthy with your crappy snark. I think my case has been made. Now I leave you to your thoughts.

[–]JoJoRumbles [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You just stated you haven't looked at any of the information. None of it.

I CAN'T LOOK AT EVIDENCE THAT DOESN'T EXIST!

You seem to be confusing "unable" with "unwilling". I'm totally willing to examine the evidence, but there is none to examine.

Now you are changing your tune.

Citation required.

You seem very shallow and dishonest

Apparently asking for evidence is shallow and dishonest now.

I think my case has been made.

It sure has. You have no evidence for your claims, you get offended when someone calls our claims out for lack of evidence, you frequently get words and terms confused, and you are gullible. Yep, you sure made your case all right.

See how easy it was for me to slap down a conspiracy theory? Piece of cake.

[–]Serberus190 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1466894 http://pastebin.com/yvxa9Lrs The investigation has a wiki of leads, and the complete scoop of the investigation. What you are asking for it seems like is solid fact. The only facts we for sure have are the connections and the interesting business movements of said people. The ridiculous collections of art Tony Podesta and James Alefantis have are disgusting, the Instagram feed is disgusting, and their reactions to these accusations are emotionless denials and public statements read from scripts. There is FBI documents of pedophile symbology matching the logos of businesses down this strip in DC, all of whom have some connection to the Clintons or the Clinton Foundation. There was no photos or videos from the supposed attack on comet ping pong other than the picture of the police cuffing the perpetrator. He was an actor registered in IMBD, and his father was a high rank in the NYPD. Instead of expecting us to comb through the hard work researching this for you to come and debunk believers means you sir are an asshole. Do your proper research officially debunking all leads from the official research forum for this civilian investigation. If we can find connections using google, and the tech-savy guys confirming networking and coding jib jab for us proving this shit is all happening, we don't have time. We must spread the word, and increase research as well debunking. Not slamming with no evidence yourself. There was Wikileak proof of collution, and all the major networks supposedly in this collusion report Pizzagate is fake. It sounds suspicious, which calls for investigation. Since the FBI isn't helping, it is up to the people who want the truth to find it. Even if this whole thing is wrong, at least we are trying to prove it.

I say 'we' in the sense of those interested as well as actively researching. I take no ownership over the discoveries, just support.

[–]pokejerk 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They were stating they haven't seen evidence that supports your claim. You can point at a blue pen, call it "evidence" of pizzagate, and show it to him, but his statement that he has not seen evidence of pizzagate would still be true.

If you can't understand simple statements like his, it's no wonder you draw ridiculous conclusions from completely normal conversations.

[–]greyhoundLocker [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They're right, though. There is no evidence. There are about 100 ridiculous and sketchy assumptions, but they can't even be called "circumstantial" evidence, as people are so fond of doing around here.

  • You don't get to make up your own list of codewords, and then build everything else in your conspiracy theory around this bullshit Rosetta Stone. For sake of pizzagate discussion, let's just call this unsourced list of phony codewords "the Retarda Stone".

  • You can't take over 50,000 emails, filter them down to about 150 that have words that appear in the Retarda Stone, and then further filter down to about 6 or 7 that aren't blatantly obvious, and then call it a "evidence". You guys are talking about almost a decade worth of e-mails filtered down to about 6 or 7 that only sound weird when you apply the Retarda Stone, and out those.. only pizza-related map can't be easily explained away.

  • All of the Instagram photos are a gigantic pile of nothing. The #hotard, the $1200 baby, the "bondage girl", the murder cooler... all of them fucking ridiculous. Only in pizzagate does 2 (two!) strips of fucking masking tape over a toddler's wrists become "bondage". Even that little girl could easily bust out by raising her forearms. Not to mention that they sloppy manner in which the tape is applied almost certainly shows that another child did it as a joke. Holy FUCKING SHIT, you people are so goddamn gullible.

  • The "Satanic" connection is equally stupid. There is no epidemic of Satanic child rape in the US. There IS, however, an epidemic of parents, uncles, neighbors, etc using their close proximity to children to groom and abuse them. It's going on right now, probably right next door to you.... but you fucking cunts are all teary over the 1 mythical child getting raped by the Satanic elite, and ignoring the 99 real children who are probably getting abused within a 5 mile radius of you.

  • As I've posted before, even the Dahmer sculpture is a huge red herring. There's no fucking way the artist was inspired by Jeffrey Dahmer.

It has become patently obvious that nobody here is remotely interested in being swayed away from their opinions. The narrative is, "The DC elite are fucking kids via a network of pizza shops, and goddamnit, we're going to prove it whether it's true or not!"

[–]GUNT_PUNCHER 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Open minded is willingness to examine the evidence before accepting or rejecting a claim. Closed minded is unwillingness to examine the evidence and just rejecting the claim through personal bias. Gullibility is just accepting a claim regardless of a lack of evidence.

You're not using the /r/conspiracy meanings of these words

Open minded is believing everything you see on the internet (especially youtube videos with graphics, and rambling sentences), no matter how little evidence there is. After enough people believe it, it is a true conspiracy with "hard" facts

Closed minded is your unwillingness to accept said theory as 100% fact

Gullibility indicates that you fall for the narrative of the MSM whose sole mission is to discredit all true conspiracy theories

[–]Freeman1984 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

So Podesta seems like a stand up guy to you? You would invite him to your home and let him around your kids?

At worst our circumstantial evidence shows that he is extremely creepy and a good candidate to be involved in some major shady things, given his connections.

What is the incentive in going around opposing PizzaGate investigation?

[–]JoJoRumbles [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

So Podesta seems like a stand up guy to you?

I wouldn't know. I don't know him personally.

You would invite him to your home and let him around your kids?

I wouldn't know. I don't know him personally nor have kids.

At worst our circumstantial evidence shows

That circumstantial evidence sure must be compelling... so compelling that you forgot to cite it.

What is the incentive in going around opposing PizzaGate investigation?

Waste of resources, zero evidence, and the source is a known crackpot who makes stuff up.

[–]Freeman1984 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Go look for it yourself, I'm not your personal assistant. You don't look for it and complain you can't find anything, not only that, then you proceed to complain that people are looking into it.

The only resource being "wasted" is time from people doing it voluntarily.

Pizzagate may sound ridiculous(just as Spirit Cooking sounds ridiculous), but moving being the name its far from it, a pedo ring being run in hight political circles of Washington DC by people that have complete disregard for properlly covering their track since they know they are too powerful to get caught. The pizza part is just one front of many, a recurring thing for any criminal organization.

[–]JoJoRumbles [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Go look for it yourself, I'm not your personal assistant.

I already have and found no evidence to support it. Where is the evidence?

You don't look for it and complain you can't find anything, not only that, then you proceed to complain that people are looking into it.

I already have looked and found no evidence to support it. Where is the evidence?

The only resource being "wasted" is time from people doing it voluntarily.

Walking into a pizza shop with a rifle and firing off a round or two is not an investigation.

Pizzagate may sound ridiculous

Because there's no evidence to support it.

a pedo ring being run in hight political circles of Washington DC by people that have complete disregard for properlly covering their track since they know they are too powerful to get caught.

Where is the evidence for this claim?

The pizza part is just one front of many, a recurring thing for any criminal organization.

I don't care what setting it supposedly took place in, I only care about demonstrable verifiable evidence. Do you have any?

Or are you just gullible and will believe anything fed to you?

[–]Freeman1984 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Spirit Cooking + Pizza Code (and weird emails)+ Disturbing taste in art + recurring connections to convicted pedophiles + maintaining relations to said pedophiles even after they are caught = Suspicious as fuck.

From that premise alone I don't mind people looking things up.

[–]mz23 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have you looked at the evidence all of us are misinterpreting?

[–]King-Hell 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely.

[–]ParanoidFactoid 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't buy into pizzagate either. But you have to admit, there was nothing remotely funny about that video. This is the fucking Onion. It used to be funny. Now, not so much.

[–]godiebiel 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I entertain PG much like much of David Eicke's theories. In other words, I enjoy the fuck out of them as long as it's fiction.

[–]Horus_Krishna_4 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

you enjoy fictional pedo stories then? sick.

[–]godiebiel 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

... that sounded kinda off !! And not what I meant.

What I meant more specifically was Icke's "Reptilian conspiracy", which "pedo" part was because children's fear is consumed by Reptilians for its narcotic-quality. I considered this "science fiction" until the Westminster scandal came rocking down.

[–]pizzaNpingpong -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, I enjoyed The Missing which is about a paedophile who abducted 3 children.

So yeah? It's not real so who gives a shit? (just like pizzagate)