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Donald Trump's Child Rape Accuser Canceled Her Press Conference Due to Death Threats (esquire.com)

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[–][deleted] 2664 ポイント2665 ポイント  (350子コメント)

This press conference is a really big deal.

Why? The statute of limitations is up on a civil or criminal action BUT they are arguing that the statute of limitations doesn't apply because of an ongoing threat to the life of the plaintiff. For the court to consider the case they have to be able to present the belief that the plaintiff has lived in fear of retaliation from Trump or Epstein.

Having this press conference, receiving death threats, then cancelling this press conference due to those threats make that a much easier argument.

[–]Jmsaint 710 ポイント711 ポイント  (157子コメント)

Finally something that makes sense, I couldn't work out why this person would call a press conference, surely it would make more sense to go through the legal system, where some sort of anonymity could be granted.

[–]wwdbd 300 ポイント301 ポイント  (113子コメント)

I mean, she has gone through the legal system. The court already had a hearing to potentially throw out the case because of statute of limitations issues but decided to make an exception because the court agreed with the argument of threats against her life. That point doesn't really need to be argued anymore.

She has anonymity through the legal system. The lawyer who is representing her is famous and there were different reporters at the potential press conference so the accuser's identity could have been found out there. Honestly there are a lot of potential ways. One potential I would like to mention is that if there is any truth to her accusations, Trump will know who she is.

My general thought is if she was receiving death threats anyway, she might as well come forward, but that's honestly just a guess.

[–]intentsman 225 ポイント226 ポイント  (82子コメント)

If there's any truth to her accusations Trump will know who she is

Unless he raped numerous children at Jeff's.

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    [–]Textual_Aberration 128 ポイント129 ポイント  (16子コメント)

    I can't quite decide what to think about the tactic itself (isolated from the actual case of course). Part of me knows that poking the internet into hyper-activity is way too easy and could be manipulated likewise. Immediately following that thought, though, is the recognition that everyone else can also recognize basic internet hatred.

    That being the case, we're all able to subjectively assess what constitutes an extreme level of shaming, harassment, and death threats (extreme being the modifier that makes this especially relevant in the eyes of the court). It's the difference between a dozen down votes and an entire community doxxing and hounding an individual.

    I still think the timing and headline styling is going to contribute to heightened levels of all of that but I don't doubt that, even accounting for it, the resulting attention will be adequately judged within a complete context.

    I've heard both good and bad things about the validity of the story so I'll stick to sympathizing with the victim, avoiding the accused, and keeping my nose out of things until I know more.

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      [–]zinrokh991 152 ポイント153 ポイント  (75子コメント)

      For the court to consider the case they have to be able to present the belief that the plaintiff has lived in fear of retaliation from Trump or Epstein.

      does that mean threats from Trump or Epstein or threats in general?

      because these threats are not coming from Trump or Epstein themselves, nor is there any evidence that they are organizing these threats.

      they are random threats from internet knobs. i do not see how this could factor or be held against Trump or Epstein.

      [–]darwin2500 193 ポイント194 ポイント  (50子コメント)

      My understanding is that any credible threat to her safety if she reported the crime during the statute of limitations would extend the statute.

      Extending the statute is the not a penalty against the accused for threatening the victim, it's an acknowledgement that the victim was unable to come forward sooner for legitimate reasons.

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          [–]Barnowl79 101 ポイント102 ポイント  (20子コメント)

          Anyone who wants to read her sworn statement in her own words without having to download an app can read the two-page document here: Jane Doe Declaration as Filed

          To those who are saying that she's not under oath, please note that the last sentence before she signs her name says, "I declare, under penalty of perjury, that the foregoing is true and correct."

          [–]Old_Army90 4580 ポイント4581 ポイント  (411子コメント)

          "Why oh why won't rape victims come forward sooner?"

          "Kill that bitch"

          [–]Lorieoflauderdale 461 ポイント462 ポイント  (19子コメント)

          I like how Trump seems to expect the benefit of the doubt that he didn't give to the Central Park Five. Even now ignoring their exoneration through DNA evidence.

          [–]Shaq2thefuture 141 ポイント142 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          i had to learn about them in an ethics of law class. fuck anyone who condemned those boys. disgusting.

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              [–]75000_Tokkul 1206 ポイント1207 ポイント  (127子コメント)

              To sum up, press conference with woman accusing Trump of rape will be rescheduled, per @lisabloom, who cited threats to Jane Doe.

              Trump's lawyer when it comes to his ex-wife's rape claim if you want an example of what people covering Trump get told even in an official capacity.

              “I will make sure that you and I meet one day while we’re in the courthouse. And I will take you for every penny you still don’t have. And I will come after your Daily Beast and everybody else that you possibly know,” Cohen said. “So I’m warning you, tread very fucking lightly, because what I’m going to do to you is going to be fucking disgusting. You understand me?”

              “You write a story that has Mr. Trump’s name in it, with the word ‘rape,’ and I’m going to mess your life up… for as long as you’re on this frickin’ planet… you’re going to have judgments against you, so much money, you’ll never know how to get out from underneath it,” he added.

              [–]nliausacmmv 786 ポイント787 ポイント  (22子コメント)

              Maybe first amendment people can stop this guy.

              [–]BlackLeatherRain 297 ポイント298 ポイント  (5子コメント)

              19th amendment people are trying, as are 15th amendment people.

              [–]code_archeologist 167 ポイント168 ポイント  (12子コメント)

              First Amendment nothing, that statement is outright extortion.

              It is acceptable to say "I am going to sue" . It is unacceptable to say "I am going to sue you if..." at that point he has crossed the ethical boundary and should be punished by the bar association.

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                [–]WileECyrus 343 ポイント344 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                I know that this guy has already given plenty of evidence of being terrible, but this is like... cartoon-level awfulness. It reads like he wanted his own version of the Navy SEAL copypasta.

                [–]pb2crazy 571 ポイント572 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                what I’m going to do to you is going to be fucking disgusting. You understand me?

                [–]Lionel-Richie 237 ポイント238 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                And that's from someone who isn't threatening anonymously on twitter...

                [–]ItsJustAJokeLol 283 ポイント284 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                Sounds like what Trump tells his victims.

                [–]Salmon_Quinoi 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                That's not even counting the crazy fans who probably would hunt her down in person. She better get used to having bodyguards for the rest of her life.

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                  [–]dbrianmorgan 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  This kind of intimidation from an attorney actionable? It seems super fucking unethical.

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                    [–]IDUnavailable 1195 ポイント1196 ポイント  (298子コメント)

                    I'm pretty vehemently against Trump, but I'm withholding judgement until more evidence is available. I also have doubts about Hillary's campaign being directly behind this event, mostly because of Epstein and Bill's past relationship. It seems like they've been avoiding ever mentioning it.

                    However, I definitely believe their claims about death threats considering we've already seen them made a ton this election season, people know who is representing the woman, where the conference was going to be held, the girl's actual name and face are apparently available on the internet, and Trump's legal counsel has made threats in the past.

                    I guess I'm going to file this under "shitfest" and do nothing with the information for now.

                    (I posted this in the other thread that was deleted.)

                    [–]Fizzay 365 ポイント366 ポイント  (63子コメント)

                    I'm pretty vehemently against Trump, but I'm withholding judgement until more evidence is available.

                    I think the point is less about people saying he's guilty and more people attacking a potential child-rape victim. Trump is innocent until proven guilty, but that doesn't mean you should fling shit at someone who may have been abused as a child.

                    [–]SpazticLawnGnome 90 ポイント91 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                    Trump is innocent until proven guilty

                    If only this logic were to be used for HRC's case.

                    I have to say though, I find the average person not being enraged over the treatment of a potential rape victim more upsetting than Trump's supporters.

                    [–]suto 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                    Eh. I'm an HRC supporter and I definitely think she's being treated unreasonably harshly by the public, but "innocent until proven guilty" as it's applied in criminal court is a very high standard because a criminal court has the unique ability to deprive people of Constitutional rights.

                    Even civil courts don't hold the same standard because they don't have the same power.

                    And as voter/consumers, we have very little power over Trump. Even if every person in the country voted against him and never bought anything from him, he'd still live the rest of his life not only enjoying his full rights as a citizen but also in comfort, if not great luxury. There's just not much we can do.

                    Not only that, we don't have the same time, resources, and access that criminal (or even civil) courts do.

                    Moreover, because of the high standards criminal courts are held to and the variables brought in by legal representation, investigative work, and whoever happens to be on the jury, criminal conviction needn't be a determiner of our beliefs. A criminal jury can be 90% certain that the person committed the crime but find the uncertainty too great to be "beyond a reasonable doubt." That doesn't mean you shouldn't allow that 90% certainty to affect your personal judgment of the person.

                    Also, OJ totally killed his ex-wife.

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                        [–]SedQuisCustodiet 473 ポイント474 ポイント  (207子コメント)

                        I'm impressed how many people are completely OK with a woman receiving death threats for bringing a rape case.

                        I think it's time I take my daughter out of this barbarian country.

                        [–]xmastap 124 ポイント125 ポイント  (68子コメント)

                        I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people are disgusted by the death threats. There are fucked up people in the world, and they're on both sides of this election. Most people don't support them.

                        [–]kmonsen 82 ポイント83 ポイント  (44子コメント)

                        I am sad to say you are wrong there. Someone who has admitted sexual assault multiple times is very close to being voted president after this has been highlighted. People really don't give a shit.

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                          [–]MrPibbWasBetter 145 ポイント146 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                          This.

                          Regardless of whether or not you believe her, sending fucking death threats to anyone is inhuman.

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                              [–]ComradeTaco 5357 ポイント5358 ポイント x2 (1897子コメント)

                              Anyone doubting the possibility of a significant number death threats, look at the comments hidden at the bottom of the page.

                              The amount of hatred for this woman is palpable.

                              Edit: 4 Choice Quotes from Below

                              "There's a simple solution to these issues. When a woman makes a rape accusation, she gets sent to a locked, state-run facility until the proceedings are finished. If she recants, she goes to jail for the maximum sentence the man could have gotten if he'd been found guilty. Same if he's found not guilty. This would sure reduce the rate of false accusations."

                              "What was she expecting?"

                              '"'Its true because people on the internet are rude, just check these comments'. I swear to god, liberal is a mental illness. Can't wait to gas you all after 8th. To the chamber you go little liberals 😃"

                              "Literally every single person who have ever even looked at the internet has gotten a death threat at one point."

                              [–]lianodel 478 ポイント479 ポイント  (96子コメント)

                              "When a woman makes a rape accusation, she gets sent to a locked, state-run facility until the proceedings are finished...

                              That same commenter even said that the accuser should get the maximum sentence for the alleged crime if she either recants, or the accused is found not guilty.

                              Let me try to work out the several ways in which this is entirely insane.

                              1. If you come forward as the victim of rape, you are presumed guilty and sent to prison, pending a trial proving your innocence in accusing someone of rape. If and only if that happens are you released. That's not how it works.

                              2. Being locked up to the trial means the cost of seeking justice is putting your life on hold indefinitely. What if you can't afford that? What if people depend on you? "Sorry Timmy, your mom was raped and was sent to prison because she told a cop about it."

                              3. It creates a reason not to recant a false accusation. Why not gamble on the courts? Even in the case of a false accusation, that's an extra burden and cost to the courts.

                              4. It assumes that "not guilty" is the same as "innocent." No, it's not. Again, people are presumed innocent, and only convicted if proven beyond reasonable doubt. If the trial is inconclusive, i.e. the jury concludes that there isn't enough proof one way or the other, the accused rapist goes free and the accuser goes to prison for a long, long time. If the evidence is inconclusive, or your legal representation is simply outclassed, you are hopeless.

                              Taken all together, it creates ludicrously high barriers for rape victims to find justice.

                              Look, I don't think that false rape accusations are some kind of myth. They happen, they ruin lives, and they should be treated as crimes in and of themselves. That said, surprise surprise, rape is also a real thing! It happens, and that's not okay! We can't pervert the justice system particularly against rape victims to catch people who make false accusations. This kind of thing would literally enable rape.

                              [–]Nyrb 113 ポイント114 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                              Why do you think he suggested it?

                              [–]lookslikeyoureSOL 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              Because he wants free reign to rape people?

                              Sorry, that's what it sounded like you were implying.

                              [–]devotedpupa 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              I mean, not gonna lot, a lot of Red Pill types are like that. The mods of that sub have admitted to pretty much rape, one of their favorite writers want to make rape legal in private property, shit like that.

                              [–]Nyrb 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Well I was more implying he had a hatred and disrespect of women, general misogyny.

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                                  [–]sunbearimon 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (39子コメント)

                                  The people suggesting this seem to think that the only way of proving he did it is if there was video evidence supporting it, but don't think Trump admitting to other sex crimes on tape because of reasons. Anyone that denies rape culture should take a look at this election.

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                                    [–]mikeash 1131 ポイント1132 ポイント  (398子コメント)

                                    When accusations of assault started coming out, the constant question was: if this really happened, why didn't these women come forward before?

                                    Well, here's your answer. Life isn't all peaches and cream after you accuse a powerful person of a crime.

                                    [–]pb2crazy 257 ポイント258 ポイント  (53子コメント)

                                    It doesn't even have to be a powerful person in crime. The establishment doesn't take sex crimes (especially ones against female children) seriously. One time, I was looking through the phone of my ex and he had naked pictures of a girl I knew at the time. The girl was 14 or 15 in them and he knew her because of me (he was 28). I was never that close to her but I felt really guilty and distraught. I don't think anyone can realize what it feels like to find CP of someone you know, someone so young and stuff, on the phone of someone close to you.

                                    I called the police that night because I was so distraught. Two officers showed up and escorted my ex out of the building and then talked to me. I told them everything I knew and I asked them to pursue it. Nothing happened. To this day, nothing happened. I even forwarded the request to my ex's jurisdiction myself, nothing happened. The police just told me "that's sketchy, he sounds like a bad guy, we'll look into it" but since he had already broken the phone, no one wanted to bother dealing with it. They didn't think it was serious enough, maybe it wasn't. Eventually I dropped it.

                                    You know what did happen before I did? My ex tried ruining my life. He sent my parents nasty letters, threatened to put my nudes up all over the internet, threatened to send them my university, threatened to sue me for defamation. I literally refuse to pursue any justice because it isn't happening and I'm not willing to throw my life away over a few nude photos (although I'm not disclosing everything here, it was more than a few nude photos.) I'm just not willing to do it. Too scary. And my ex was a NEET, an unemployed NEET, with zero real world connections. Now imagine if my ex was Trump and I was accusing him of something much more difficult to prove, like rape.

                                    [–]technofox01 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    Just an FYI. Call the Feds, most sexting crosses state lines making it an instant fed case. Also, there is a child sex crimes organization whose name escapes me at the moment that you could have contacted as well.

                                    As for the revenge porn threats, assuming you sent him nudes, you are better off assuming he already shared them already with whatever creeps he hangs out with. Luckily there are laws that if he is found sharing them, he can be sued or tossed in jail over them, especially if they impact you in a negative manner.

                                    Also, what is a NEET?

                                    [–]sink257 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    Not in Employment, Education, or Training.

                                    [–]technofox01 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Thanks for clarifying that acronym. First time I have ever seen it in my life.

                                    [–]monkwren 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    Wait, he had literal child pornography on his phone and nothing happened? :AJOSHFOISUV"OSJKDNV{OSIUEGHSDJNVS:KJDI:AJSBC:KAJSDBV:KAIJSDBVA:KJSDBCV:KAJSDBV

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                                      [–]GarrusAtreides 491 ポイント492 ポイント  (194子コメント)

                                      When accusations of assault started coming out, the constant question was: if this really happened, why didn't these women come forward before?

                                      When someone starts asking that question, I feel like the best answer would be to poke the guy asking it on the chest and say "You. It's because of assholes like you that they don't come forward as often or as early as they should".

                                      [–]regoapps 274 ポイント275 ポイント  (124子コメント)

                                      I've had at least 5 Asian female friends of mine (including my ex) tell me about their rape ordeal. None of them told the police. All were virgins at the time. Here's what happened and why they didn't report it:

                                      1) Vaginally and anally raped by ex-military cousin in 20s when she was 14 and drugged by him. She found out when she woke up to see him on top of her and raping her. But she was too drugged and blacked out again. She felt pain in both holes the next day, so she knew that she didn't just dream it. She didn't report it because she didn't want to ruin family relations because they were a close family. Crazy thing is that she still sees him during family gatherings and none of her family members know.

                                      2) Violently raped by friend in 20s when she was 13. She chose street justice instead: Told her older friends about what happened, and they sent the rapist to the hospital with many broken bones.

                                      3) Violently raped by her step-dad when she was 15. She was too scared to tell anyone because she was afraid of what he'd do to her or her mom. But she told her mom and they never saw him again.

                                      4) Violently raped by her college friend. She eventually fought him off. She didn't think anyone would believe her because he never managed to enter her. But she told everyone she knew at the college to warn them about him.

                                      5) Violently raped by her boss when she was 16. She was a troubled kid and ran away from home. She ended up working at this bar because that was the only work she could find. The bar owner offered to let her live at the upstairs apartment of the bar. A few weeks into it, he unlocks her bedroom door in the middle of the night and rapes her. She didn't report it because she had no where to go. She didn't want to be homeless.

                                      When I asked them why they don't report it now, now that they're in a better situation, almost all of them said that they just want to move on with their lives and not get reminded of what happened.

                                      Edit: Not going to start a witch hunt, but if you live in San Francisco and know an ex-military (maybe back in military now) Asian guy in his 30's with last name Wong, and first initial J. Please PM his name, and I'll let you know if it's the same guy. I would hate for there to be another rape victim to this guy. He has access to date rape drugs and other drugs. So I can imagine that there might be/will be other victims. This was the one who drugged and raped his 14-year-old cousin.

                                      [–]winter0215 216 ポイント217 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      I'd say I know about six women who have been sexually assaulted in the last four years. Not a single one pressed charges. To have stood by someone I care about deeply, at 4am while through dried tears and a state of shock while police officers cram into a small room and push her for details, beginning a six hour ordeal of questioning and invasive medical procedures, at the end of which after being up for over 24 hours and not having had a proper meal in ages they are then warned that they will be cross examined and if they lose the case could then be counter sued...

                                      And then there were the parents who didn't know how to react, and ended up tripping over their words and blaming her for what happened.

                                      And then was her next boyfriend, who said that nobody wanted to listen to her sob story and that she needed to move on.

                                      She goes on reddit and reads a top story about a survivor getting death threats and the comments have people attacking rape accusers.

                                      Yeah. I fucking wonder why my friend never pressed charges and pushed ahead with that. Real brain teaser.

                                      [–]trennerdios 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      And then you get to read the comments of people playing mental gymnastics to pretend rape culture isn't a real thing, grilling people about what makes it real, even though they probably wouldn't change their minds if the evidence bit them on the dick.

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                                        [–]samajar 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                        NEET

                                        I had a teacher who was a sorority leader(what are they called? idk the term) We were discussing that statistic about like 1 in 4 or 5 whatever women being raped/assaulted. She told me 100% of the people in her house had been, but most don't report because of different reasons. I don't know ANYONE who doesn't have a close friend they know who was raped and didn't do anything about it. And we aren't that close with all of the people in our lives.

                                        It's not only a disgrace in our country, but the entire fucking human race.

                                        edit:my shit grammar

                                        [–]YNot1989 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Crazy thing is that she still sees him during family gatherings and none of her family members know.

                                        Anyone else feel a white hot rage and the desire to break this fucker's goddamn legs and castrate him with a rusty spoon.?

                                        [–]regoapps 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        This victim was the one who was my girlfriend for 2.5 years. Imagine how I felt after she told me. I had nightmares after it. The messed up thing is that the rapist doesn't even know that she knows. And from the fact that he has access to date rape drugs makes me think that this was not the first time he did this to someone.

                                        [–]Malacos0303 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                        Normally I would call BS on stories like this with no proof, but then I realized I know two women who've been assaulted. It's upsetting to think I may not have realized how common it is.

                                        [–]regoapps 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                        1 in 6 American women has been or will be a victim of rape or attempted rape in their lifetime. 16% of women are victims of completed rape, and 3% are victims of attempted rape. So in a group of just 30 women, five were likely a victim.

                                        Keep in mind that these 5 victims only told me their stories because I was really close with them and they trusted me to not tell their friends/family about it. There will be plenty of rape victims who you're friends with who didn't tell you their stories.

                                        [–]0SnowFly0 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                        I remember when I was 17, I was at a bonfire with 7 or so other 16/17 year old girls. Somehow we got to the subject, and something like 6 of us had some experience with sexual assault. Most had had guys or girls pressure/manipulate them into going farther than they wanted, and one girl had been raped and another managed to fight off a rape. I don't think any of us ever reported it to the police.

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                                            [–][deleted] 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            I know the popular thought is that stuffing things down is bad. But honestly, there's some things that you just want to forget happened. Don't talk about it, don't mention it, just pretend it didn't happen, because otherwise it will take over your life.

                                            Also a lot of people don't want to be seen as a victim. If people know bad things have happened to you they will see you in a different light.

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                                                  [–]Milleuros 1524 ポイント1525 ポイント  (983子コメント)

                                                  Not only here. There are so many buried comments it looks like a graveyard.

                                                  Seriously though, I cannot imagine what is being discussed right now on T_D. Victim shaming is real.

                                                  [–]ItsJustAJokeLol 582 ポイント583 ポイント  (204子コメント)

                                                  I mean I've received a half dozen PM'd death threats from Trump supporters over snarky internet comments. I can only imagine the overwhelming pressure and violent rhetoric this woman must be receiving.

                                                  [–]imnotoriginal12345 396 ポイント397 ポイント  (128子コメント)

                                                  I got a few rape threats! Yay!!!

                                                  Edit: They also ferreted out where I live, so I had to change a many years old account for my safety.

                                                  [–]llama_garden 89 ポイント90 ポイント  (103子コメント)

                                                  Who are you and why are people sending you rape threats?

                                                  [–]imnotoriginal12345 521 ポイント522 ポイント  (96子コメント)

                                                  I'm an anonymous woman on the internet who speaks her opinion.

                                                  [–]Mrdeath0 78 ポイント79 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Oh no no no, we can't have that

                                                  [–]mom0nga 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                  And to those on the extreme right, there's nothing more frightening.

                                                  Keep fighting the good fight.

                                                  [–]livingunique 109 ポイント110 ポイント  (52子コメント)

                                                  As an anonymous man on the internet who also speaks his opinion, I too have gotten threats. It's pathetic, honestly.

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                                                        [–]Realtrain 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                                        I've never gotten a death threat from a Trump supporter. I suddenly feel inadequate...

                                                        [–]Helreaver 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                        I feel like Mr. Garrison in that episode where he was upset that his dad didn't molest him because he thought he wasn't attractive enough. Like yeah, obviously it's a bad thing to get death/rape threats... but other people are getting them... Haven't I insulted them enough or in the right way?

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                                                          [–]HeyZuesHChrist 98 ポイント99 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                          I wouldn't be too scared, in like 3-4 years when those idiots can get a driver's license they will have forgotten about you.

                                                          [–]ItsJustAJokeLol 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                          Oh I'm not scared. This account has no identifiable information about me any way. But this woman has good reason to be.

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                                                              [–]GaboKopiBrown 117 ポイント118 ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                                              They're likely cheering about how they've silenced a victim because they "know for a fact" (see: feel) that she is a liar.

                                                              [–]imnotoriginal12345 916 ポイント917 ポイント  (694子コメント)

                                                              At the very least, this shows that rape culture is real.

                                                              Inb4 rape culture isn't real.

                                                              [–]JarJarBrinksSecurity 1011 ポイント1012 ポイント  (624子コメント)

                                                              I am honestly ashamed that I used to be one of those people who claimed rape culture wasn't real. I've been pretty liberal my entire life, but that was one thing I wouldn't budge on. This entire year has made me take a good look at myself and my terrible views.

                                                              Edit: Thanks for the positive responses guys! It's nice to know I wasn't alone.

                                                              [–]lalilulelo09 834 ポイント835 ポイント  (347子コメント)

                                                              I was honestly one of those people who thought we lived in a post-racial society and people weren't really sexist any more. Then I went on reddit.

                                                              [–]Taniwha_NZ 143 ポイント144 ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                              Having been on the internet for 25 years, 4chan for much of that, and Reddit for a decade, I have to admit I thought the nasty, redpill, troll culture was a very limited thing that just seemed prevalent in my life because of the places I tended to visit online.

                                                              Then Trump ran for president.

                                                              I'm horrified by what society has revealed about itself. I don't think there's any kind of easy fix, but I am comforted by the idea that the increasing noise generated by this group is likely due to the increased pressure they are under.

                                                              Things will get better, but I think they will seem to get a lot worse first.

                                                              [–]SmilingDutchman 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Not only in your country: in mine as well. People are vehemently defending a tradition called Black Pete (the helper off Saint Nicholas). It's meant to be for the children but has brought to light the true racial hatred that apparently a lot of my countrymen feel. Even the suggestion of changing the appearance will get you called traitor and people of colour who object are subjected to the most vile racial slurs I've seen in years. It is as if people like Trump make them feel vindicated and able to 'say what they think'. Please vote and tell your friends to vote. It's going to be a close shave. Not just for the USA but for the rest of the world too.

                                                              [–]blew-wale 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              I agree with your statements but I've had too many instances where people claim their bigotry is only a joke that it's really had a toll on me.

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                                                                [–]drkgodess 599 ポイント600 ポイント  (293子コメント)

                                                                Same here - even as a woman I was not aware of how certain men think about women until I came to Reddit.

                                                                I thought sexism was not a big issue except in a few places, but wow I was so wrong.

                                                                [–]FuriousTarts 605 ポイント606 ポイント  (171子コメント)

                                                                Y'all must have grown up in liberal enclaves. I grew up in a small town in NC. I knew people were racist af and the first time I heard "rape culture" I thought: "yeah, that's a good word for it"

                                                                [–]ElmoTheNefarious 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                Growing up in a wealthy liberal suburb of Boston I honestly never encountered overt racism, sexism, or homophobia. Not that there weren't racists, sexists or homophobes, but bluntly expressing those views just wasn't done. Needless to say my experiences since moving out and joining reddit have been...eye opening.

                                                                [–]Quexana 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                Small towns in NC are among the raciest places in the country.
                                                                Most libs have no clue how deep hate is ingrained.

                                                                [–]Electric_Evil 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                I live in a small, conservative, town in MD and I agree completely. When i was younger, there was a case where a 12 year old girl was hanging out a party with a bunch of older men. By the end of the night she had gotten drunk and sex with 10 of them. Horrible right? Like, not even a about it, right? Wrong! Every where i went, when they were discussing the case, people would say something to the effect of, "terrible but really she put herself in that situation so she deserves some of the blame." 10 grown adults got a 12 year old drunk and gang rapped her, and it's HER FAULT?!

                                                                [–]sanitysepilogue 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                I'm from San Jose, CA. I grew up in a heavily diverse area and was taught that women were people growing up. Joined the military and traveled around the country; that sentiment is definitely not shared by everyone

                                                                [–]sadcatpanda 139 ポイント140 ポイント  (136子コメント)

                                                                i'm surprised that you were able to accept the reality. so many people say that the term "rape culture" is the most stupid thing they've ever heard of.

                                                                [–]celtic_thistle 160 ポイント161 ポイント  (105子コメント)

                                                                I've gotten nasty PMs in the past when I brought up/explained rape culture on a main subreddit.

                                                                [–]brainiac2025 161 ポイント162 ポイント  (94子コメント)

                                                                I think it's because people take offense to being told they're a part of that aforementioned culture. I realize society as a whole sexualizes women on a large level, but most people like to think they're above that. I know that when I was called a potential rapist by a woman simply for being a male, I got pretty pissed off. It just depends on the context you use it in.

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                                                                      [–]Growlathen 142 ポイント143 ポイント  (28子コメント)

                                                                      Reddit is such a mixed bag. It's amazingly great in some ways, and I've had many great interactions that keep me coming back, but holy crap there are some awful people out there too.

                                                                      [–]deadlysyntax 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                      Reddit is merely a window into a swathe of the human race.

                                                                      [–]-magic-man 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                      Well, society encourages people to act in a non-reprehensible way or be shunned. The anonymity of Reddit allows people to act like shits without any real negative consequences. (A downvote is not sufficient negative reinforcement)

                                                                      [–]deadlysyntax 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                      Yeah the filters do come off with anonymity which gives us more insight to the thoughts of others that we might not otherwise know exist. Perhaps the digital world is a more realistic representation of society than we'd otherwise get to see in "real life".

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                                                                            [–]xlxcx 194 ポイント195 ポイント  (87子コメント)

                                                                            Same. Twitter did this to me too recently. Someone told me to avoid being raped I should learn to keep my legs closed. That made me realize my America is just a dream.

                                                                            [–]pejasto 145 ポイント146 ポイント  (61子コメント)

                                                                            It's an experiment. And it's working so far. Those voices are emboldened because they're dying.

                                                                            I'd rather "PC culture" absurdity than terrifying death threats and I suspect most reasonable people are there too.

                                                                            [–]Empyrealist 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                            The American Dream is real. You just have to be asleep to see it.

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                                                                                  [–]imnotoriginal12345 196 ポイント197 ポイント  (119子コメント)

                                                                                  Thank you for changing your views. I harbor no ill will towards those who did not believe in it and it takes courage to change. One of the "good" things about having a female president is it will show how accepted misogyny is, like how Obama showed how acceptable racism is.

                                                                                  [–]onlyforthisair 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (113子コメント)

                                                                                  Can you explain it to me? I guess I must not really know what "rape culture" is defined as, since it seems to me that the vast majority of Americans think that rape is intrinsically bad. Or maybe it has something to do with how different people define "rape" differently? I don't know.

                                                                                  Not trying to attack or anything, I just haven't thought about it much.

                                                                                  EDIT: Wow, this got a lot of responses. I can't quite get to them right now, but I'm definitely glad that people are willing to have a discussion and help me understand.

                                                                                  [–]BJPenwhistle 99 ポイント100 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                                  Of course most people think it's bad. That isn't really up for debate. Rape culture isn't about that. It's subtler. It's the fact that we laud male rape victims for "getting some." It's the fact that we even ask a woman what she was wearing, as if that somehow makes it her fault. It's victim blaming, it's minimizing and gas lighting. It's the fact that don't even acknowledge that female on male rape is a thing that can happen. It's about how we perpetuate the notion that it's not rape unless there is a violent struggle. It's about how we slutshame victims.

                                                                                  Rape culture is ultimately about how we fail as a society to address rape appropriately.

                                                                                  [–]daumesnil1639 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                  I keep coming back to this quote from this post:

                                                                                  Rape culture is telling girls and women to be careful about what you wear, how you wear it, how you carry yourself, where you walk, when you walk there, with whom you walk, whom you trust, what you do, where you do it, with whom you do it, what you drink, how much you drink, whether you make eye contact, if you're alone, if you're with a stranger, if you're in a group, if you're in a group of strangers, if it's dark, if the area is unfamiliar, if you're carrying something, how you carry it, what kind of shoes you're wearing in case you have to run, what kind of purse you carry, what jewelry you wear, what time it is, what street it is, what environment it is, how many people you sleep with, what kind of people you sleep with, who your friends are, to whom you give your number, who's around when the delivery guy comes, to get an apartment where you can see who's at the door before they can see you, to check before you open the door to the delivery guy, to own a dog or a dog-sound-making machine, to get a roommate, to take self-defense, to always be alert always pay attention always watch your back always be aware of your surroundings and never let your guard down for a moment lest you be sexually assaulted and if you are and didn't follow all the rules it's your fault.

                                                                                  [–]livingunique 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                  Like saying that a woman who is raped was asking for it by being dressed sexy. Whenever I hear someone say that I say, "If you were raped and you were "dressed sexy" would it be your fault?" It's a great way of separating the wheat from the chaff.

                                                                                  [–]imnotoriginal12345 94 ポイント95 ポイント  (86子コメント)

                                                                                  Rape culture is a setting in which rape is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality.

                                                                                  Check out this wiki link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture

                                                                                  [–]The_Bruccolac 127 ポイント128 ポイント  (30子コメント)

                                                                                  "Behaviors commonly associated with rape culture include victim blaming, sexual objectification, trivializing rape, denial of widespread rape, refusing to acknowledge the harm caused by some forms of sexual violence, or some combination of these."

                                                                                  Yep, I pretty much changed my mind after the Brock Turner thing and more recently that asshole that raped his kid and got a 30 day sentence. That's some rape culture shit right there.

                                                                                  [–]cinepro 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                                                                  denial of widespread rape

                                                                                  So if someone doesn't believe in "widespread rape", they are in fact helping to create the very rape culture they don't believe in?

                                                                                  [–]iggzy 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Exactly. It's like how denying the Holocaust furthers Anti-Semmetism. It says that they are playing the victim or lying more often than not and as such aore detestable group for that

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                                                                                      [–][deleted] 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                                      I think the issue is that there are definitely scales and degrees here. I used to think it was a persuasive argument when people said the following:

                                                                                      We don't have a rape culture. ISIS is a rape culture. The Middle East has a rape culture. Cultures where women are literally property according to the legal system, where honor killings exist when a woman is raped, where children in the single digits are sold into marriage, those are rape cultures.

                                                                                      But that's not America. America doesn't have those same levels of problems therefore America isn't a rape culture.

                                                                                      And I feel like there is a point there, that there are degrees. ISIS definitely has way more of a rape culture. But that doesn't mean we don't have one at all.

                                                                                      Threatening someone's life for trying to speak about being raped, and saying they should be locked up before any court hearings even happen, is a rape culture. It's not the same as ISIS, but it is still a rape culture.

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                                                                                            [–]HighPriestofShiloh 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                                                                            I think the 'rape culture' deniers simply don't understand what is meant by the term. You can be against rape but still contribute to a rape culture. The University I went to had policies that contributed to a rape culture. Over the last couple of months they have finally decided to look at this issue as they were getting a lot of criticism related to it. Last week they finally implemented a policy that reduces the rape culture dramatically. Was the University ever in favor of rape? No. Were they indifferent to rape? No. They were adamantly opposed to it. There however were some unrelated rules that unintentionally gave cover to rapists and pushed rape victims into silence.

                                                                                            Rape culture can be explicit but way more often it is unintentionally systemic.

                                                                                            [–]sycher 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                                            What is rape culture?

                                                                                            [–]JarJarBrinksSecurity 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                                            It's basically when society blames the victims and tries to normalize the behavior of the men who commit sexual assault or rape.

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                                                                                                    [–]golikehellmachine 178 ポイント179 ポイント  (35子コメント)

                                                                                                    I think it's entirely possible that this woman has a significant number of death threats, some of which are serious enough to be concerned about, even if her story is 100% bullshit designed as an elaborate hoax to fuck with Donald Trump and try to take his money (which I don't believe).

                                                                                                    [–]0mni42 108 ポイント109 ポイント  (32子コメント)

                                                                                                    That's a really good point. Cancelling the press conference due to death threats is equally valid an explanation whether the accuser is lying or not.

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                                                                                                      [–]Redoctobersurprise 314 ポイント315 ポイント  (114子コメント)

                                                                                                      They've made targeted efforts to dominate all discussion here.

                                                                                                      Look at the Obama leaks thread, nothing but T_D members saying "most transparent administration"

                                                                                                      [–][deleted] 576 ポイント577 ポイント  (76子コメント)

                                                                                                      They really hate this comment, been slamming me all day, so I'll just keep posting it.

                                                                                                      • Miss Teen USA contestants claimed he walked in on them, blatantly walking around naked children. Speaking about the contest on Howard Stern, Trump stated "You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody okay?’” he continued. “And you see these incredible looking women, and so, I sort of get away with things like that.”
                                                                                                      • When speaking about a 14 year old girl he noticed, Trump said "Wow, in a couple of years I'll be dating her!"
                                                                                                      • On a similar but entirely separate occasion, speaking about a 10 year old girl, Trump said "I am going to be dating her in 10 years. Can you believe it?"
                                                                                                      • He is on tape saying “I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. I just kiss. I don’t even wait. When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”
                                                                                                      • At least 13 women, including his first wife, have accused Donald Trump of forcibly kissing, inappropriately touching or looking at them, or worse.
                                                                                                      • On Dec. 16, Trump will begin pretrial for the rape of a 13 year old girl.
                                                                                                      • A signed affidavit recently reported having seen him getting oral sex from a 12 and 13 year old girl at the same time.
                                                                                                      • When speaking about fellow billionaire Jeffrey Epstein, a registered sex offender accused of raping multiple minors, whose private jet had been nicknamed the Lolita Express by the FBI, Trump stated "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it."

                                                                                                      [–]BenevolentCheese 110 ポイント111 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                                                      Miss Teen USA contestants claimed he walked in on them, blatently walking around naked children.

                                                                                                      It should be noted that Trump himself said he did this as well, in a Howard Stern interview.

                                                                                                      [–][deleted] 91 ポイント92 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                                                      Yeah, that is the craziest thing about this whole election... Trump himself keeps saying that he does this kind of thing!!! And yet still, centipedes don't believe it!

                                                                                                      And yet all we hear is "blah blah Shillary lies!"...

                                                                                                      Umm... EITHER your candidate is on tape lying about rape and sexual assault and walking in on people against their will OR he actually did those things!!! Neither option is remotely acceptable!

                                                                                                      [–]jmurphy42 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      I really think a sizable percentage of them do believe it. They either just don't care, or are so rabidly anti-democrat or anti-Hillary that they desperately want him to win anyway.

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                                                                                                          [–]tootie 215 ポイント216 ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                                                                                          He is on record praising Jeffery Epstein for his love of young women. The alleged rape was at an Epstein party. Epstein was convicted of soliciting underage prostitutes.

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                                                                                                          Regarding Epstein and his Lolita Express “Our judgment in this case, based on the evidence known at the time, was that it was better to have a billionaire serve time in jail, register as a sex offender, and pay his victims restitution than risk a trial with a reduced likelihood of success,” U.S. Attorney Alex Acosta explained in a 2011 letter.

                                                                                                          "And so, despite a decade of alleged serial sexual abuse and rape of an unknowable number of girls, some as many as 100 times according to court filings, the notoriously secretive financier was offered a deal. For the alleged systematic victimization of young girls—most of whom were plucked by Epstein’s assistants from Palm Beach’s poorer neighborhoods and groomed to adore or acquiesce to him—he was slapped with a 2008 conviction on a single charge of soliciting a minor; and sentenced to an 18-month stay in a Palm Beach county jail—of which he served only 13 months and was allowed to leave six days out of every week for “work release."

                                                                                                          [–]socokid 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                                          "I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,'' Trump booms from a speakerphone. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, *and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

                                                                                                          Donald, speaking of his good friend of 15 years in a New York magazine article. This was before Trump was forced to distance himself from Jeff after the law caught up with him and his buddy's pedophilia became a media story.

                                                                                                          Good ol' Jeff...

                                                                                                          [–]Brock_Lobstweiler 135 ポイント136 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                                          That right there? That's rape culture.

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                                                                                                            [–]Circumin 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                            There have been other documented, non-Epstien related instances of Trump being allegedly involved in underage "model" parties. It would suck if they were true, also it would suck if it was made up to slander him, but there are plenty of instances of similar behavior of Trump on tape to lend these accusations some legitimacy.

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                                                                                                                [–]drkgodess 147 ポイント148 ポイント  (33子コメント)

                                                                                                                They've been in overdrive across all of Reddit lately.

                                                                                                                [–]InsertCoinForCredit 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                                Russian bankers can buy a lot of trolls.

                                                                                                                [–]FizzleMateriel 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                I have a feeling a lot of these people are just redpillers who feel emboldened by Trump.

                                                                                                                [–]IsThisMeta 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                My god I just how much of a hard on Trump must give those fuck sticks. Can we please just be done with this scary, surreal election already?

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                                                                                                                    [–]Redoctobersurprise 97 ポイント98 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                                                                    Democrats are responsible for all evils didn't you see? Firebombing RNC offices and burning churches, forcing racists to kill cops

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                                                                                                                        [–]WhyLisaWhy 132 ポイント133 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                                                                        It's kinda funny looking at this thread and then the other one. They don't usually pop into /r/politics unless it is something about Clinton's emails but oh man, they're in full force today and bitching about how we're all shills trying to smear their daddy.

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                                                                                                                          [–]dayrise 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                                          Sort by controversial - after reading some of the comments it's not hard to believe people might be sending her death threats to be honest.

                                                                                                                          [–]burlyqlady 503 ポイント504 ポイント  (101子コメント)

                                                                                                                          She could believe her life would be in danger. In the video she even said she's terrified of Trump and would have a panic attack if he was in the next room. She alleges he threatened her life and her family if she ever told. She said she's afraid of losing her relationship with her father when it comes out, that he'd "come unglued".

                                                                                                                          And look at the psycho letter from his lawyer. And the fact that the last victim that came forward said she's leaving the country because she's being harassed. Trump supporters are crazy and probably think she's trying to smear his good (loooool) name and want revenge. Look at the disgusting comments here.

                                                                                                                          Shit, I've been threatened for much less. Just being a woman on a dating site gets you death threats.

                                                                                                                          [–]KevinBurke_Person 159 ポイント160 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                                          Didn't Lou Dobbs tweet the address of one of Trump's assault accusers too?

                                                                                                                          [–]Absenceofavoid 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                                          Holy shit, really?

                                                                                                                          [–]_laz_ 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                          He sure did.

                                                                                                                          [–]Absenceofavoid 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                          Man, his apology is fucking lame considering the magnitude of his error. A news anchor should be sacked for doxxing, it's so ridiculous it beggars the imagination.

                                                                                                                          [–]sunbearimon 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                          I think we really need a new law for shit like this. You could easily get someone killed.

                                                                                                                          [–]_laz_ 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                          Yep. And he still has a show.

                                                                                                                          [–]terriblehuman 302 ポイント303 ポイント  (88子コメント)

                                                                                                                          Given that in the past 24 hours, Trump supporters have burned a black church and murdered 2 cops, I don't blame her for being afraid.

                                                                                                                          [–]ItsJustAJokeLol 354 ポイント355 ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                                                                                                          And another minor incident, someone in Texas put a Trump sign over a Polling Place sign, illegally. When a poll worker went to remove it, they were cut by razor blades attached to the sign.

                                                                                                                          [–][deleted] 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                                          Oh yes but that article about Hillary supporters refusing to respect Trump supporters is an example of how unreasonable and polarised they are.

                                                                                                                          I'm so tired of this damn "both sides are the same" South Park mentality. Give me a break.

                                                                                                                          [–]drkgodess 126 ポイント127 ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                                                                          Wow, that is some serial-killer-level crazy. Who does that? Has that ever happened before?

                                                                                                                          [–]aaaaaaaarrrrrgh 129 ポイント130 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                                                                          Well known tactic in Germany. Right-wing extremists/neo-nazis put up their stickers/posters, left-wing people remove them, so the right-wing people add razor blades (glued between poster and wall). Try to scratch it off, and you ... well, I don't think I have to explain. Ugh. shudder.

                                                                                                                          [–]bexyrex 79 ポイント80 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                                                          THAT'S INSANE and yet I know ppl who are like "oh but i feel wary about voting for Hillary because abortion" I'M SORRY IS ABORTION SERIOUSLY AMERICAS MOST PRESSING ISSUE SO MUCH THAT YOU WOULD ELECT A WHITE SUPREMACIST ENDORSED ANTI HUMAN RIGHTS TRIGGER HAPPY NONCHARITABLE OFFENSIVE TO W WOMEN MEGALOMANIAC GET ELECTED.

                                                                                                                          No. You need to involve the government in people's fucking health decisions and strip away agency from millions of women because of your fucking Christianity.

                                                                                                                          It was appalling. I literally cannot believe the gall of some folk. Whether or not someone has an abortion is neither the gov nor your fucking business. It's not a hill to crucify the rest of the fucking nation on.

                                                                                                                          [–]celtic_thistle 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                                                          Yes, anti-abortion types can be that crazy and myopic. It seriously blows my mind.

                                                                                                                          [–]bexyrex 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                          But like these are HIGHLY EDUCATED PPL. Like these are some ivy educated fucking science and politics majors and they're actually this myopic I'm astounded. Like it's so left field I'm just like WAT???

                                                                                                                          [–]beermile 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                          Emotion does crazy things to people, especially when they believe innocent little babies are being murdered.

                                                                                                                          [–]beermile 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                          Undoubtedly. The worst of those types bomb clinics. They kill people to prove that (arguably) killing is wrong.

                                                                                                                          [–]sunbearimon 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                          The especially infuriating thing is Trump isn't even anti-abortion. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if stories surfaced of him pressuring women to get them.

                                                                                                                          [–]celtic_thistle 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                          Oh man, I know. People are seriously dreaming if they think he hasn't paid for at least a half dozen.

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                                                                                                                              [–]freelovelana 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                              Holy fuck...

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                                                                                                                                [–]CircumcisedSpine 88 ポイント89 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                                                                And while the motivation or identity hasn't been determined, a 6'-ish white male beat and killed a Saudi Arabian student at University of Wisconsin - Stout. Left pulped outside a local pizza place.

                                                                                                                                http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2016/10/31/uw-stout-student-dies-after-assault/93091678/

                                                                                                                                [–]dcorey688 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                ya I go to school here, shits kinda nuts. 2nd kid to die in the last 6 months at bar close. pretty damn small town too. so far doesn't really seem like there's enough to say if it was purely racial or not but knowing the way this town can get at bar close, it wouldn't surprise me

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                                                                                                                                      [–]sjgzg 552 ポイント553 ポイント  (429子コメント)

                                                                                                                                      I have a feeling this isn't over

                                                                                                                                      [–]Whipplashes 510 ポイント511 ポイント  (181子コメント)

                                                                                                                                      Her lawyer is one of the best in the country. It's not over by a long shot.

                                                                                                                                      [–]ItsJustAJokeLol 284 ポイント285 ポイント  (104子コメント)

                                                                                                                                      Trump's supporters will continue to threaten and harass her no matter what. I hope she is able to tell her story.

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                                                                                                                                        [–]Dmitri_Karamzov 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (32子コメント)

                                                                                                                                        It might be bait for Trump so that he gets emboldened and tweets 'See? They're liars, all of them.' and then have the press conference and fuck him for discovery.

                                                                                                                                        [–]golikehellmachine 126 ポイント127 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                                                        It might be bait for Trump so that he gets emboldened and tweets 'See? They're liars, all of them.' and then have the press conference and fuck him for discovery.

                                                                                                                                        Eh, I doubt it. Even if the whole story is true, I find it far more likely that a woman who was traumatized, raped and assaulted repeatedly throughout her teenage years by powerful, wealthy men would get cold feet and panic than I find it likely that this whole thing is a long-game to try to provoke Trump.

                                                                                                                                        [–]Lionel-Richie 95 ポイント96 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                                        Can you imagine? Public speaking is what, the #1 fear? And that's not speaking as a person is going to tell the ENTIRE WORLD LIVE that you were raped by a presidential nominee that has a cult-like following of often angry or violent people that have been threatening his other accusers.

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                                                                                                                                          [–]sjgzg 176 ポイント177 ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                                                                                                                          The fact that trump has been quiet about this so far is pretty uncharacteristic.

                                                                                                                                          [–]Dmitri_Karamzov 94 ポイント95 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                                                                                          Yeah, that alone + Lisa Bloom give this story serious traction. I'm betting on something big to come out on friday.

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                                                                                                                                                [–]MrPibbWasBetter 205 ポイント206 ポイント  (30子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                I feel bad for her, but the fact remains that no one in the press is going to carry this if the accuser is still anonymous.

                                                                                                                                                [–]creedofwheat 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                Wasn't she the same accuser that filed earlier this year (in a different state) whose case got thrown out? IIRC the phone numbers and addresses she gave the court were made up.

                                                                                                                                                I could be very wrong, but if not then that could be a major reason why the media isn't picking up on it.

                                                                                                                                                [–]MrPibbWasBetter 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                U.S. District Court Judge Dolly Gee dismissed the case in May, ruling that Johnson's complaint didn't raise valid claims under federal law. Gee, an appointee of President Barack Obama, noted that the suit cited a criminal statute that doesn't give rise to civil damages and that the civil statute Johnson cited only applies to actions based on "race-based or class-based animus."

                                                                                                                                                It was dismissed because she didn't have any legal representation and apparently fucked up the filing.

                                                                                                                                                Now, she has legal representation. Quite respectable legal representation, who found an applicable statute to which civil damages can be sought. Also, from the time of the original filing to this new one, they have found two more witnesses that supposedly corroborate some part of her story. That's why it's been filed 3 times now.

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                                                                                                                                                    [–]snarkyturtle 421 ポイント422 ポイント  (60子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                    Trumpsters: Hillary KILLED people who crossed her. SHE CAN'T BE PRESIDENT

                                                                                                                                                    Trumpsters: I will KILL you if you cross Trump. HE WILL BE PRESIDENT.

                                                                                                                                                    [–]Doot_your_Doots 130 ポイント131 ポイント  (48子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                    Comey claims to be getting large amounts of death threats as well now that he has reopened the investigation. It goes both ways.

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                                                                                                                                                      [–]kryptic_131 300 ポイント301 ポイント  (101子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                      Everyone is pretty quick to grab their pitchforks here. Yes, it's a serious accusation, but we live in a country where you're innocent until proven guilty. If Jane Doe here has a solid case and she and her lawyers are able to prove Mr. Trump guilty, then he's deserving of being called all these horrible names and facing the full extent of the law, but until that happens, he's innocent. Some people might say that's "rape culture" or something, but In reality it's the way our justice system works.

                                                                                                                                                      Others are saying the media isn't covering this because they're pro trump or something but that's just silly. The likely reason they won't cover it yet is because it is nothing but baseless accusations at this point. They don't want to discredit themselves by covering what could potentially be a false charge. Once the ball gets rolling on this case, then I think we'll see more of it on the news.

                                                                                                                                                      [–]bammbamkam 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                      sexual predator trump is a RAPIST, SHOCKER!

                                                                                                                                                      [–]njmaverick 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                      Welcome to Trump America

                                                                                                                                                      [–]YNot1989 141 ポイント142 ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                      This is a shitty situation no matter how you slice it. On the one hand, I can absolutely believe that someone in her position would get cold feet, and I know the alt-right scum that support Trump, hell even his own lawyer, have no problem saying absolutely inhuman things to those that threaten their demagogue. On the other hand, I can also see this as a ploy to reverse Clinton's slump in the polls and give a killing blow to Trump. But then again, I don't think Lisa Bloom would risk her career on a false rape accusation, nor do I think Jane Doe would risk jail-time for false testimony from herself and the people who've given sworn affidavits saying they witnessed the events as described by her. And I hate the fact that the mere existence of false rape accusations has only made it harder for true survivors of rape to be taken seriously when they come forward.

                                                                                                                                                      [–]Breepop 81 ポイント82 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                      Jesus, I must have read and scrolled through comments for 10 minutes before getting to one that was reasonable and not completely dismissing the other "side."

                                                                                                                                                      There is credence to this being a "stunt" and this being legitimate. Why does everyone have to act like the one that favors their candidate is the only possibility? Everything is so polarized these days and I'm like two weeks from fucking losing it.

                                                                                                                                                      [–]ParadisePug 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                      And I hate the fact that the mere existence of false rape accusations has only made it harder for true survivors of rape to be taken seriously when they come forward.

                                                                                                                                                      This has been my big concern about all of the allegations against Trump, especially this one being the higher profile one a week before the elections, and everyone propping it up in the name of political gain.

                                                                                                                                                      I feel that the damage has already been done, but if this goes nowhere it's a pretty big blow to the credibility of rape allegations against anyone running for office. And the people pushing this story as a conviction against Trump will only have themselves to blame. So many have no idea what they're doing giving legs to something that has none and never seems to have had any.

                                                                                                                                                      Not saying she's lying, just that we need to have some common sense here. There's literally no information for us to digest and people are already saying it's true. Like any crime, you need evidence, but people are willing to throw that out in favor of an anti-Trump headline. If this doesn't end in an actual conviction of Trump people who peddled the story and shared it and lifted it up will be setting actual rape victims back.

                                                                                                                                                      So, I'd ask that people, even if you despise Trump with any fiber of your being, if you care about rape victims at all, understand that there are consequences to running with this story with so little evidence. Understand that the gain you see (it hurts Trump) is not worth the damage you will cause if this is false.

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                                                                                                                                                        [–]TheRoyalMarlboro 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                        sort by "controversial" if you want to lose a little faith in the good of people.

                                                                                                                                                        [–]kieran6383 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                        Lawyers website hacked https://twitter.com/lisabloom/status/793969928516694016

                                                                                                                                                        [–]GeckoRocket 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                        This irks me to no end. With this BS going on, interference and cyber warfare both foreign and domestic, it's a fucked up situation. And I feel our government is ill-eqipped to deal with the intracacies of cyber-related warfare on all levels. They have some nailed down, but it's a constantly evolving field. anon references hacking a lawyer's site for political reasons, death threats for the client, 4chan references from the FBI... what. the. fuck.

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                                                                                                                                                          [–]ademnus 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                          I will never forget how Trump and his surrogates found a way to blame Hillary for Bill's accusations -she treated those accusers just so terrible, she attacked them and sued them and called them names!!

                                                                                                                                                          Trump has called all 14 of his accusers liars hired by Hillary's campaign, called them disgusting human beings, and said he'd sue them all. Now this.

                                                                                                                                                          [–]Negative_Clank 164 ポイント165 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                          Hmm, I wonder why so many sexual assault victims don't come forward? This is that reason, writ large. That's why he can grab all the pussy he wants with impunity. Don't do it with witnesses, deny deny deny, and have deep fucking pockets. "I just start kissing them..." Indeed.

                                                                                                                                                          [–]PurplePupilEater 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                          57% upvoted lol /r/donald is really trying to bury this. It's not like it's something that can be debated either, it's just someone cancelling their press conference.

                                                                                                                                                          [–]x14Dollarsx 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                          Damn the bottom of this thread looks just like the cesspool that is r/the_donald

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