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So I was just banned (self.Conservative)

nowthatsrich が 投稿

I responded to a post about trickle down economics on /r/LateStageCapitalism. The only thing I posted was "Name one time socialism has ever worked. I'll wait." And I was banned for that comment. The moderators left a comment that said "no capitalists." This really pissed me off because someone responded to my post saying capitalism has never worked and wanted me to name a time it has in the short or long term. Now this guy will think he has won the argument simply because I can no longer comment on the sub. Seems a bit excessive for my comment.

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[–]War-Damn-America [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You should pm him your rebuttal and explain that you were banned so that is why you are messaging him personally.

[–]chabanaisSic semper tyrannis [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

All bans are at mod discretion for violating specific rules or the general anti-capitalist nature of the sub. Nobody, not even the mods, has an inviolable right to be here. We're not going to try to make people who don't belong feel welcome.

Seems pretty clear.

[–]HomesteadGeek [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Reddit is really nothing more than a collection of echo-chambers (subs). It's bad enough that they will downvote your comments into oblivion just for disagreeing with them but banning any dissent is really childish. Stating it's the rule for the sub makes no difference to me, it's just formalizing their snowflakeness.

[–]schlondark [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The vote system literally turns every discussion into a popularity contest, what did you expect?

[–]chabanaisSic semper tyrannis [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Stating it's the rule for the sub makes no difference to me, it's just formalizing their snowflakeness.

It would be like trying to discuss American history with the European history group it's not what they're about they have every right to do that.

[–]HomesteadGeek [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Sure they do, and I have the right to disagree with their snowflake rules. It's one thing to stop completely different topics from being posted in a sub, but banning people who are not obscene or insulting, but simply disagree with the majority is childish at best.

[–]chabanaisSic semper tyrannis [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

It is not a "snowflake rule." People who go to a sub to pick a fight are generally not wanted. I see zero issue with that.

The same thing would happen here, probably.

[–]HomesteadGeek [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Not really, it doesn't. People disagree with conservatives here all the time. They do occasionally get downvoted but, not by me. I will debate them but not downvote or tattle on them. Snowflake rules seem to be more common in snowflake dominated subs.

[–]chabanaisSic semper tyrannis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

People who come here spoiling for a fight are banned. That appears to be no different than this situation.

[–]robotoverlordzReagan Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You can't really win arguments on the internet. At best, you might persuade a bystander to re-examine his position.

[–]TheDubDubs [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This is just me, but I stay away from communities with this kind of mentality. It's largely a waste of my time to even engage them.

On another note, your opponent made a burden of proof fallacy. He's claiming Socialism works and you challenged him to find an example. He then tried to say that you, not he, has the burden of proof. He didn't deal with your argument, but instead tried to make you defend your supposed position. He needs to deal with your argument first then try to get you to name a capitalist system that worked. He knows he can't do that.

[–]chabanaisSic semper tyrannis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah going there you are only spoiling for a fight no wonder you were banned. You can disagree with them but that is their community.

[–]IIRC [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Apparently the Libtard Marxists are denigrating supply-side economics.

I wouldn't waste another second worrying about them.

Let them wallow in their own ignorant world-view.

[–]PhilosoGuidoConstitutionalist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Their ideas are morally reprehensible and intellectually bankrupt. Of course they can't tolerate debate. Socialism is an evil ideology that celebrates envy and institutionalizes theft. The whole system is history's biggest bait and switch con. It promises the masses a utopia in exchange for them granting the ruling powers complete unfettered authority, and inevitably only delivers universal poverty and oppression.

[–]philthyhack [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just to touch on the socialism note. I do encounter this discussion a bit with GOP hardliners I'm friends with who think anyone who entertains social options is deadbeat government leach or wants to enable them. From a person who leans more socially left it isn't that most of us are looking for complete socialism overhaul. For a lot of us, there are a couple issues or services we see in the coming decades that need to be addressed. While the implementation was a mess, I will chalk the ACA up as a step forward in progress. It may get repealed and replaced but at least the conversation has started and we've begun seeing what models do and do not work. Hopefully in the next 10-20 years we'll have a well compromised system.

Simply put, Healthcare being bound to employment is not going to be the long term option in the face of automation. Sure, folks with good STEM jobs will be able enroll and that approach will continue but as more lower skilled jobs get replaced, those people will need something. Whether it is a) an affordable government insurance option or b) regulation on Hospital/Medical Services/Pharma to stop conjuring up astronomical bills c) Additional fraud oversight to keep costs down. Again, I'm still searching for a model for this that gives me a better sense of the right direction but burying our head in the sand isn't one of them.

On the other side of that, if college continues to be a work force barrier, there should be a much more attainable option for the populace in order to keep up with the growing complexity of working in the technological age. I'm not saying a purely free option is the right route but some kind of easing or tuition caps needs to happen so a) folks from lesser circumstances have options b) a middle class isn't grid locked with student loan debt and stifling the economy (i.e. right now). Solving this has more employable people in the work force that aren't going to require a government option but there will still be a gap.

In any event, probably not the thread to focus on this but I wanted to add some context to the dichotomy of someone with certain socialized leanings versus folks who want everyone to line up for government issued rations/programs. We as a country have the best and brightest calling us home and if anyone can find a balance, it's us.... I hope.

[–]DEFCON_TWOCivic-Nationalist [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You went to an openly anti-capitalist sub and criticized an anti-capitalist ideology.

[–]nowthatsrich[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I had never been to that sub and for some reason it popped up on my front page. Little did I know.