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FYI: Open-Carry/Firearm Education Walk today (self.OSU)

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This came in our faculty/staff email newsletter this morning, thought that students should be aware too probably:

Open-Carry/Firearm Education Walk today Today (12/5), from approximately 11 a.m. to 4 p.m., a group that is unaffiliated with the university will conduct an open-carry/firearm education walk on our Columbus campus. The organizers proactively notified the university of their intent to conduct this educational walk involving the legal possession of weapons, which will occur on and around campus. As with any event crossing our campus, The Ohio State University Police Division will have a visible presence during the event to promote safety and to protect the rights of all members of the university community. As always, if you see anything suspicious or unsafe, please contact OSUPD at 614-292-2121 or call 9-1-1 in an emergency.

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[–]EnigmaTaco 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I need to make some popcorn before reading these comments.

[–]LumpyWumpus 17ポイント18ポイント  (7子コメント)

Good for them. I hope some folks approach them with open minds and are willing to learn from them.

[–]pussyshitKVKT 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm sure they would be happy to answer honest questions from honest folk

[–]ArksawBME 2018 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

are you....are you aware that what you posted is in-favor of people exercising their second amendment right?

[–]Zigran7Chemical Engineering 2018 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Read his username. I think he's aware.

[–]ArksawBME 2018 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I must be out of the loop...tl;dr?

[–]OtterScotter 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow...someone is that butthurt over KVKT. Lol

[–]LumpyWumpus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Needs more JPEG

[–]Ryche32 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

Don't let a tragedy go to waste, gotta exploit those fears.

[–]Zeomaster 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup, every group gets a piece of each terrible incident to exploit

[–]pussyshitKVKT -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"exploitation" - that is such a privileged blanket statement to make...

[–]Gregornation 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cue gun rights argument

[–]Modex142019 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fun fact: students can't do this because of code of conduct or risk getting expelled. That's why outside groups are the only ones that do this. The closest thing a student group has done is an empty holster protest and some colleges expel for that for some reason.

[–]ProfessorMcGonagallProfessional Co-op 2ポイント3ポイント  (19子コメント)

More guns is never the solution to violence, it only creates situations where people feel the need to use a weapon where previously other nonviolent solutions exist. Education is fine, but I think carrying a weapon fundamentally changes how you approach potentially dangerous situations.

[–]SoDel302 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm pretty certain that the solution to the violence on Monday was, in-fact, a gun.

Also, if carrying a weapon changes anything about how you approach a situation, you're a psychopath. De-escalation is always the goal. Firearms are a tool used when all other options have been exhausted.

[–]TheSupernaturalist 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

To play devil's advocate here, the gun was in the hands of a trained officer, and many more people may have died if the attacker had access to a gun. We can only speculate as to why he didn't use a gun, but I don't think the situation would have been any safer if more guns were involved.

[–]SoDel302 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure. But that wasn't at all what I was claiming. I was just responding to the thought that "more guns never make us safer" and disagreeing with that is not the same as saying that "more guns always make us safer."

[–]anon0108 1ポイント2ポイント  (13子コメント)

Does anyone know if CCW training addresses this?

[–]SoDel302 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you're asking about carrying changing your mindset the answer is, IME, yes. The main thing that was drilled in to students in the classes I've seen has been de-escalation and having to be way more conscious of not accidentally escalating situations and being even less assertive than you otherwise might be.

[–]LumpyWumpus 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

Yes. The training I had hammered us on the rules of when you can and cannot draw. There were 3 main rules.

  1. Make no assumptions. What this means is you have to know the whole situation before you are able to unholster and use your weapon. For example, if you heard shouting and a gunshot, but did not see who shot or any of the events that led to the shooting, you are not allowed to get involved. You must know everything about a situation before you can act.

  2. You have the duty to retreat. In a situation, you have the responsibility to deescalate, and if you cannot you are required to leave the area. For example, if you see some guys breaking into your car, you cannot approach them. Your responsibility is to retreat and call the police.

  3. There must be a clear and present threat to your life. If someone clocks you on the street, you cannot pull your weapon because this is not a clear threat on your life. If the attacker pulls a knife or any other weapon that could kill you, you are then free to draw and stop the threat. But not until then.

Breaking any one of these rules will land you in jail.

edit- formatting. made it a little easier to read

[–]anon0108 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

this is excellent

did they take you thru any role playing simulations of it - either under stress or without?

what about firing under stress?

[–]LumpyWumpus 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

We did practice firing at a target in different ways (two handed, one hand strong hand, weak hand, ect) but we did not do any simulations. Something like that would be very difficult to do with a decent sized class (mine had around 25 people). However additional training classes are offered and the instructors often recommend them.

[–]anon0108 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Did you take any of the additional training?

What do you do to maintain the training you've had?

[–]LumpyWumpus 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I did not take any of the additional training. I would like to, but money is a little tight currently, as it is for most college students.

As far as maintaining the training I have received, I think about the rules I must follow every time I put on my holster. It is very important because if I screw up and break one of those rules I will land in prison for a very long time. So I am constantly refreshing myself on them. And whenever I can, I go out and practice my shooting. I like to practice drawing and firing two rounds at a target 10-15 yards away. (In class we were taught to double tap, reassess, then double tap again if necessary. So that's why I fire two rounds at a time.) The typical engagement range for a carrier is 1-3 yards, so my hope is that if I quickly and consistently hit a target 15 yards away while relaxed I will be able to hit a target 3 yards away under stress.

[–]anon0108 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

sorry, i forgot what subreddit i'm on re: broke college student

what you're doing, at least according to my buddy to teaches CCW classes to the public, is light years ahead of what many people do

especially the drawing part

to simulate an adrenaline dump, add something that stresses the body right before the draw. just something to increase your heart rate - could be as simple as 10 pushups or running in place for 5 minutes (that's another buddy's idea, i trust his judgement because he's a former cop who helps train cops now)

[–]LumpyWumpus 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's a great idea. I'm gonna start trying that. Thanks!

[–]anon0108 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

my pleasure.

couple other things - as your fitness increases, you'll have to increase the intensity of what you're doing so you may end up wearing running shoes and doing sprints in the range parking lot

if you can find it (and afford it) look for simulated reality training where you have to make the shoot/don't shoot decision on the fly. basically they have life computer generated figures project on a screen and you have a split second to decide if the guy is pointing a shotgun at you or a broom handle.

it used to be for LEO only but the tech has gotten cheap enough to offer to the public

[–]Tiemce 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

if you see some guys breaking into your car, you cannot approach them. Your responsibility is to retreat and call the police.

How about a big old helping of 'no.'

In some cases paying fines/charges are cheaper than the damage a jerk like that could do to your car. I'd take my chances in this case, though in many others I'd have to agree with you.

[–]LumpyWumpus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well it isn't fines that you would be facing. It's jail time. If you break these rules you can no longer claim self defense. And yes, it would suck hard to sit back and watch some dudes destroy your car. But I would take repair costs over years in jail.

[–]Ysance 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

CCW training is not all the same, it depends on your instructor and state as to what curriculum it covers.

[–]pussyshitKVKT 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

it does.

[–]smartfbrankings -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It certainly keeps you from wanting to get into a dangerous situation.

[–]OprahEatsBabiesPsych -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure they are only parading around their own political opinions while waving guns. I don't see a single research paper in their hands :)

[–]ProfessorMcGonagallProfessional Co-op -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gun Fever Too: Still Hot

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