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Bernardo Bertolucci Admits He Conspired with Marlon Brando to Shoot unconsensual 'Last Tango in Paris' Rape Scene (elle.com)

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[–]throwyatrashaway 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

Turn back now the comment section is an absolute shitshow. I can only hope this is sufficiently far up the thread that I save some of you a few minutes of frustration

[–]bertmanbertman 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Too fuckin late, but I appreciate the effort. Wasnt this post on the front page just a couple of days ago?

[–]willsherm28 64ポイント65ポイント  (12子コメント)

I find it repulsive and sickening that director and actor took advantage of a young girl this way. I wasn't really a fan of Bertolucci but this kinda changed my perception towards Brando.

[–]Bernies_Lakehouse 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wasn't brando always known for being a pig?

[–]zipzipzap 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's a bit of a difference between being a pig and sexually assaulting someone.

[–]ShiroQ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

so did he actually rape her or was it pretend but without her knowing

[–]Calvin_Uncle -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

My opinion as well. Changes everything.

[–]Suffer_No_Fools 173ポイント174ポイント  (43子コメント)

That these two men purposefully humiliated a young woman for the sake of a movie is sickening. There's no excuse for this, or minimizing what they did. They victimized her. It wasn't literally a rape, but that's what they wanted her to feel like she was going through during that scene. Bertolucci and Brando are scum.

[–]FirePowerCR 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

So I'm confused and would like an explanation. The scene was supposed to be a rape and she didn't know? Did he actually rape her? Did they say "Hey it's going to be a sex scene" and then act it out as a rape? I think I need to see this scene to understand how this makes sense. It seems like what the deal is, is they acted out a rape scene and she didn't know it was going to happen.

I probably need to see the scene to understand.

[–]dogofthemilitary 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Brando and Bertolucci came up with the scene, meaning it obviously wasn't in the script. This means she wasn't required to shoot the scene if she didn't want to, but she didn't know that. According to her, she was told what the scene was going to be just before they shot it, and she didn't want to do it and protested but gave in because she thought she didn't have a choice. Brando did not actually rape her; it was all simulated and she herself said that. Basically, I think the outrage should be focused on the fact that she was essentially forced into a scene she didn't want to do that really affected her emotionally, arguably even traumatizing her, but everyone is acting like she was raped or had no knowledge of what was gonna happen, neither of which are true.

[–]in_plain_view[🍰] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I cant think of a scene that requires more prep with the actor than a rape scene. These scenes are usually choreographed right down to any grunting. This is not the time for an improv session which is what those two douches set her up for. If I remember correctly, she had no idea he would flip her over and commence with that butter scene. So the look of horror on her face when Brando shoves his hand down the back of her pants is real. Whats sadder is that she was shamed by theatre goers for participating in such a dirty film. She spent the rest of her career living down the stigma of that scene. Its nauseating.

[–]Elguappo 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

"...obviously wasn't in the script."

You are basing that assumption on what?

""“I specified, but perhaps I was not clear, that I decided with Marlon Brando not to inform Maria that we would have used butter,” he noted. “We wanted her spontaneous reaction to that improper use [of the butter]. That is where the misunderstanding lies. “Somebody thought, and thinks, that Maria had not been informed about the violence on her. That is false!” Bertolucci added that “Maria knew everything because she had read the script, where it was all described. The only novelty was the idea of the butter. “And that, as I learned many years later, offended Maria. Not the violence that she is subjected to in the scene, which was written in the screenplay,” Bertolucci added.""

[–]dogofthemilitary 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can I please have your source on that? I'm really curious about where you read that because I've only read articles that say it wasn't in the script and that she said, as a result, she wouldn't have done the scene had she known she didn't have to do scenes that weren't in the script. I don't know if I'm right, but to be fair, I wasn't assuming anything; I was going off of every other article I'd read.

[–]J3nn7f3r 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

http://variety.com/2016/film/global/bernardo-bertolucci-responds-to-last-tango-in-paris-backlash-1201933605/

[–]Elguappo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They won't listen. Their outrage feels are already going. There is no turning back now. The poor girl got butter on her leg and Marlon Brando is a rapist.

[–]ViskerRatio 77ポイント78ポイント  (53子コメント)

This issue seems like it's being taken very much out of context.

Schneider knew there was a rape scene in the movie and she knew she was shooting it that day. She didn't know about the butter - which was apparently decided that morning - but it seems like people are confusing the fictional 'rape' for an actual 'rape'. Which doesn't appear to be the case at all.

Schneider was definitely unhappy with the film because she was a young girl at the time and felt pressured by Bertolucci into making a highly sexualized film that made her uncomfortable. However, she did consent to being film in this manner.

I can certainly sympathize with her being upset about how she was treated as an actress - I've never thought that a directing technique based on tormenting the actor itself makes any sense. If the actor isn't any good, then get a better actor. If the actor is good, your job as director is to give them the backdrop for their performance rather than try to manipulate them into the performance. If you're simply pointing a camera at a human being who is terrified, you're not shooting a movie - you're doing Fear Factor. The actor should know the character more intimately than the director does and the director shouldn't be hiring the actor unless they have faith in the actor's ability to render it.

[–]atyourrisk 109ポイント110ポイント  (44子コメント)

I definitely don't think the issue is being taken out of context. It wasn't a literal forced rape, but it was certainly an unconsensual scene involving a 19 year old girl and a man decades her senior. I genuinely don't understand how so many people here are just brushing it off.

[–]Moody_MadEye 42ポイント43ポイント  (10子コメント)

I don't know whether it's because the men involved are such highly regarded artists that people don't want to admit that they might be bad people, it's a bit like when you see people back up Polanski. I think it's absurd that people are so easily brushing this off it's disgusting what Brando and that director did and there's no excuse. That being said we can still watch their films and separate the art from the artist.

[–]NotTheBomber 24ポイント25ポイント  (7子コメント)

I don't know whether it's because the men involved are such highly regarded artists that people don't want to admit that they might be bad people

Probably.

I never thought I would see Reddit come to the defense of an upper middle class conservative who assaulted his colleague over a plate of cold food, yet that's what happened with Jeremy Clarkson

[–]MobiusSonOfTrobius 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

Clarkson is such a shit. He's one of those old guys who will bitch at length about political correctness and how sensitive people are nowadays but god-forbid he gets a cold steak, it's punching time. Pot calling the kettle black for sure.

[–]noble-random 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That cold steak was so politically correct that it triggered him.

[–]TheRealNeenja 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

Jeremy Clarkson turned himself in to the BBC for his actions.

Never once did he try to downplay what he had done or act like he was being unfairly persecuted. Richard Hammond and James May acted in the same manner.

There is a world of difference between being a general idiot and owning up to it while accepting the consequences and straight-up sexually assaulting a girl while either denying it or pretending it's art.

Clarkson has done some dumb stuff, but grouping him with the likes of Polanski or Brando/Berlucci is a massive downplay of the scope of their crime.

[–]Sirlambsalot 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Grouping Brando/Berlucci with the likes of Polanski is a massive downplay.

[–]TheRealNeenja 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Polanski is the worse of the two by far. Sexual assault as a crime is far beyond a single drunken punch by a moron.

I was not the one to compare them, that was the comment earlier in this chain.

[–]ILoveLamp9 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have no dog in this fight but I think the argument was about redditors defending a person even though the general consensus regarding the circumstances of the event would say it was malicious and wrong. And how there is bias on all sides.

It wasn't really about the character of Jeremy Clarkson or even about the character of Brando or Bertolucci. More about the disposition of people and how we can all by hypocritical when it comes to people we respect/admire and how that affects our judgment.

[–]TheRealNeenja 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, I'm not trying to defend Clarkson. As far as I'm concerned, the BBC did something ethically correct for once in firing him.

I agree that people frequently find ways to conveniently dismiss the actions of people they admire, particularly if they have attached some part of their own personal identity to that individual (politicians, movie stars, and athletes are some of the most obvious).

I think I just found it annoying when there are much better examples of reddit kneejerk reacting to protect/villify undeserving individuals. Although I'm a bit baffled because I don't remember actually seeing anyone defend Clarkson's actions en masse - but it's not like I followed the actual threads here closely.

[–]TheRealNeenja 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Edit - trying to use Reddit on phone and responded to the wrong comment.

But yes, it's stupid and annoying when people think that celebrities deserve some kind of special treatment for crimes committed.

[–]ShiroQ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

people dont want to admit they are bad people lol everyone knows that Brando was a massive dick

[–]mrjackspade 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I definitely don't think the issue is being taken out of context.

I would disagree. Saying that people are taking something out of context, does NOT mean that it isn't bad. Its is entirely possible to claim that people are misreading the situation without brushing it off.

A lot of people are literally claiming that she was forceably raped on the set (check twitter) of a movie, and it was filmed.

What actually happened, was that she had a disagreement with the director, he told her she had to do it anyway, and she complied.

It was definitely wrong, and definitely sexual assault. The actress was not actually being raped on film though.

[–]umfgb 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who is brushing it off? I see the opposte on this thread

[–]GrandRickapestHotel 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I definitely don't think the issue is being taken out of context. It wasn't a literal forced rape, but it was certainly an unconsensual scene involving a 19 year old girl and a man decades her senior. I genuinely don't understand how so many people here are just brushing it off.

How's that not rape? Isn't rape just sex without consent? If there was consent it wasn't rape and if there wasn't it is

[–]RationaIAnimaI 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If there was consent it wasn't rape and if there wasn't it is

Okay, so it wasn't rape then.

[–]bonrmagic -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because people don't take women's experiences of non-consensual sex acts seriously. This is a prime case of reddit victim blaming.

[–]FirePowerCR 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't see why it would have been any better if they were closer in age. Non consensual is non consensual no?

[–]MisanthropeX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Perhaps it's because I haven't seen the movie but "unconsensual scene" can mean two things; the actress didn't agree to be in the scene or the scene dealt with unconsensual sex?

From what I gather, the actress knew ahead of time and agreed that the scene would contain (presumably simulated) rape. What she didn't like was that butter was incorporated into the rape? Was she penetrated with the butter, or was it simulated?

[–]Elguappo 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Because she was an adult, had read the script and knew the scene was in the script. Literally the only thing that was a unknown to her was that there was butter involved. Nobody got penetrated, nobody was raped or sexually assaulted.

[–]in_plain_view[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Have you actually watched that movie? If you think not being informed that her famously mercurial co-star was going to roughly flip her over, pull her pants down and simulate anal sex does not constitute sexual assault, you have a serious problem.

[–]Elguappo -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes, I have seen it. This was all in the script that she read, and then consented to the role. But because their was butter, now it's a fucking tragedy? You people are fucking unbelievable.

[–]in_plain_view[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

All intimate scenes but especially rape scenes are intricately choreographed and for good reason. Actors are not sex workers, we dont issue blanket consents. You consent to specified acts and those acts only. In her case, its clear the scene was not choreographed and even worse, that the mega star lead and his director conspired to do things on her body that she did not consent to. They dont know her past or what psychological preparation it took to get into that scene and yet they took away her power in that scene because they thought it would be fun to get a shot of actual fear. She spent the rest of her career saying that it traumatised her to have him go off script like that. Heres hoping nobody ever gives you that kind of power over another human beings body, its clear you would abuse it.

[–]Elguappo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Actors are not sex workers, we don't issue blanket consents"

Are you saying that sex workers use blanket consents? That if a man pays for a sex worker he has blanket consent to do whatever he likes with her? Butter or no? That is reprehensible of you! You are horrible person that believes all sex workers should be raped.

Rape apologist! Rape enabler! You contribute to rape culture!

[–]glebidiah -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

People are brushing it off because, as much as I hate the term, rape culture is alive and well in North America. If you're wondering what rape culture is, it's this entire thread.

[–]Spikekuji 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Rape not rap.

[–]ApocolypseCow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man says "Hey I love sexually assaulting woman, it's like the best thing in the world. Do you have any tic tacs? I might try to sexually assault this woman we are about to meet" Woman come out and let people know he sexually assaulted them. The US says "Fuck you liars" and then elects him as POTUS without a second thought. I can't imagine how many woman were just crushed by this election. The US pretty much just told woman to shut up if they get sexually assaulted.

[–]rrepulsar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How in the fuck is this thread rape culture?

[–]ViskerRatio -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shooting a movie scene is not like walking around in day-to-day life. Schneider knew - and consented - to being partially naked and fondled by Brando as part of the scene. Beyond that, the boundaries are very fuzzy.

Now, you can certainly assert that the way filmmakers exploit young women decades their younger is very sketchy. But, at the end of the day, those young women are adults and we can't simply tell them that they can't do those sort of scenes.

[–]KidGold -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Probably just in reaction to others overreacting.

Yea it was a shitty thing to do. She's fine though. And I doubt they care as much about what people think of what they did as much as they do the final product.

It's one of those situations where we should all just say "wow that was real shitty" and move on.

[–]xarinrex 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Um... She died in 2011.

[–]KidGold 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ohh. Well she's definitely ok then.

[–]denizenKRIM 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

About the butter. Is the abhorrent part that she was actually being lubed up by it, or just the idea of it? I've seen the scene before, but I don't recall anything x-rated as far as display. Did Brando actually fondle her down there?

[–]ApocolypseCow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

She said "No I don't want to do this now" and they said "Nah you don't have a choice we are doing this"

[–]mrjackspade 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I watched it. He takes a bit of butter on his hand and reaches down the back of her pants. Its pretty obvious he rubs it off on her thigh. He then takes his hand out of the back of her pants, and dry humps her. You're supposed to imagine his dick is out but its pretty obvious his pants are on.

[–]Sirlambsalot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not that I know of, it looked like he wiped in it on the inside of her thigh.

[–]Vioralarama 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ok, props to you for actually reading up on it like I did. The rape scene was clearly written in from the beginning. She didn't know about the butter.

But minus props to you for not considering it sexual assault. It was still sexual assault.

(Jezebel's piece yesterday really angered me for misrepresenting what happened and not getting to the nuance of the situation, because that's the most important thing that people don't understand.)

[–]VY_Cannabis_Majoris 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not it wasn't. It wasn't on the script, which is what actors are contracted for.

[–]OhioMambo 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wait a minute, can you give me a source on her knowing the scene was in the movie? Can't find anything confirming that.

[–]cfmat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It appears it wasn't scripted, they told her about it right before shooting the scene, for what that is worth.

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/last-tango-in-paris-butter-rape-scene-maria-schneider-marlon-brando-bertolucci-a7457251.html

Schneider, who died in 2011 after a long battle with cancer, told the Daily Mail in 2007 that the scene “wasn’t in the original script”; Brando had come up with the idea and she was only told right before they had to film that part. “I was so angry,” she said.

“Marlon said to me: ‘Maria, don’t worry, it’s just a movie,’ but during the scene, even though what Marlon was doing wasn’t real, I was crying real tears,” she said. “I felt humiliated and to be honest, I felt a little raped, both by Marlon and by Bertolucci. After the scene, Marlon didn’t console me or apologize. Thankfully, there was just one take.”

She added: “I should have called my agent or had my lawyer come to the set because you can’t force someone to do something that isn’t in the script, but at the time, I didn’t know that.”

[–]sg36sagargupta26 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck him

[–]bucs_and_squats 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

CONTENT NOTICE: This article contains disturbing stories of rape and assault.

No shit. It says "rape" in the title

[–]Elguappo 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

You guys realize that the ONLY thing she didnt know about was the fact that butter was going to be used in the scene. Everything else she knew about. But look at you outrage artists. Jumping to conclusions as usual

[–]engineeringqmark[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

why do you feel like you have to defend the actor and director? Did you even bother to read how the actress herself felt about the scene afterwards?

[–]Elguappo 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why would you agree to be in a movie with a rape scene if you were uncomfortable and would feel violated by it.

It's less about defending them than it is about calling bullshit outrage based on someones 45 year memory of how a scene they did in a movie made them uncomfortable.

[–]engineeringqmark[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Did you read any part of the Article?

[–]Elguappo 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes I did. However, She read the screenplay. She knew the scene was in there. She decided to do the movie. The only thing she did not know what that there is butter involved. She can say she feels raped all she wants but the fact is, she wasn't.

[–]bertmanbertman 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for being the most sensible commenter here.

[–]DrPoopNstuff -2ポイント-1ポイント  (30子コメント)

There was no actual rape. It was all simulated. They didn't tell her what was going to happen in the scene, but there was no buttered Brando penis actually going into her asshole.

[–]illit3 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

i feel like i'm missing a key detail or something. why did she care so much about butter being used as a prop? it's a simulated rape scene. butter lube seems a good many steps below rape on the scale of things to be concerned about.

[–]lordsiva1 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

They were filming a non consent scene in the film with the consent of the actress. On the day they added butter as lube as a device in the film and thats what the actress didnt want to consent to but they all went ahead anyway.

[–]ApocolypseCow 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

She said "No I didn't know it was going to be like this, I don't want to do it" and they said "Nah you are doing it"

[–]bertmanbertman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You've posted this same comment multiple times here. The only non-consensual part of that scene is Brando using butter. The way you're saying it makes it seem like the whole rape scene was thought of the day of, and Maria had no idea. It was known that there was going to be a rape scene, just that Maria didn't consent to the use of butter (which was rubbed on her inner thigh).

I understand it is still controversial. But dont go around spouting misleading shit.

[–]illit3 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

that would be the definition of unconsensual. i guess the problem is the click bait title. if it were something more like "Bernardo Bertolucci Admits He, along with Marlon Brando, manipulated actress to Shoot unscripted 'Last Tango in Paris' rape Scene" it wouldn't be so confusing. when you use words like "conspired", "unconsensual", and "rape" it makes it seem like like something it isn't. it doesn't help when the actress has a quote saying she felt "a little raped" after the scene. i'm not sure if she means that figuratively or literally; the former is certainly the lesser of two evils.

[–]ApocolypseCow 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The point was to make her feel like she was going to get raped without actually doing it. Like holding an unloaded gun to someones head and making them feel like you will kill them for a great scene.

[–]illit3 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The point was to make her feel like she was going to get raped without actually doing it.

are you sure that's right? i don't remember reading anything that suggested she thought she was about to be raped.

[–]RubberDong 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

its not rape if its buttered.

[–]Jeb__Kerman 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm still confused. It says she knew there was going to be a rape scene. So the only non consensual part was using butter as a prop?

I don't think anyone commenting here knows what's going on. This is just a clickbait headline.

[–]ApocolypseCow -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

She says "No I wasn't told it would be this way" they say "No we are doing it" It's not rape but it's like holding an unloaded gun to someones head and they think its loaded.

[–]xerofailgames 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

snuff quality

[–]Bustghoster 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wasn't this posted like two days ago?

[–]dobydobd 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait, is the big issue here about butter? I'm I missing something?

[–]zeth07 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of all the things to pick from to repost, you pick this? Come on now.

[–]luepe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait, wait.

From what I'm in all interviews, she knew there were gonna be a rape scene, the rape was simulated and the only thing they didn't tell her about beforehand was about smearing butter on her thigh. And she accepted that (the butter thing) right before filming.

That's it? A rape controversy over butter on her thigh?

[–]ballid 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

so thats why it was so hot

[–]gnrl3 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

There's a big difference between unconsensual rape and an 'unconsensual' movie scene. Standard click bait.

[–]OhioMambo -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

No, it's fucking not. Assaulting a girl to get a genuine reaction of being raped out of her is rape. Easy as that. Yeah, she wasn't penetrated but she felt the sensations you go through when being raped and that's enough.

[–]Robbzzz 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

the phrase you're looking for is Sexual Assault, not Rape.

[–]gnrl3 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then she wasn't raped, Tinkerbell. Duh.

[–]JC-Ice -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

We need more info on exactly how she thought the scene was supposed to proceed, and how Brando's actions went beyond that.

[–]soundwave145 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

for a split second I think you meant Benedict cumber batch.

[–]larzolof 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

i dont get the butter part.. am im dumb or is the article kinda bad at explaining the scene? dont really wanna look it up because i prefer not to watch rape scenes ya know.

[–]flaming_applesauce 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, I'm not really following either. Short of them shoving a stick of butter in her, I'm not sure what they actually did without her permission, but they're saying it was used as lube in the scene and that there was no penetration so...I'm lost.

[–]mrjackspade -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I watched it.

He takes a bit of butter on his hand and reaches down the back of her pants. Its pretty obvious he rubs it off on her thigh.

He then takes his hand out of the back of her pants, and dry humps her. You're supposed to imagine his dick is out but its pretty obvious his pants are on.

[–]Sirlambsalot -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its this weeks clickbait story. It's not the most graphic scene but Brando's pulls her pants down and smears some butter on the inside of her leg, she didn't know about the butter as Bertolucci and Brando used it make her feel uncomfortable for a more natural reaction. Brando regretted it and they remained good friends.

It's all in the 2007 Daily Mail‎ interview with Maria Schneider, the only thing that's happened since is Bertolucci saying that he regretted how it was done.

[–]_OxxO_ -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think they should strip Brando of his awards and brand him a post mortem sex offender, same with director ... Rape is rape, if you think differently it might be a good chance you're a rapist.