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[–]Jasonoro 208ポイント209ポイント  (34子コメント)

It seems like we hugged it to death, just keeps loading the map forever.

PDOException: SQLSTATE[08004] [1040] Too many connections in lock_may_be_available() (line 167 of /mnt2/World-Policy-Forum/dist-production/includes/lock.inc).

[–]rocklou 104ポイント105ポイント  (24子コメント)

naah I hacked the site using some html's and javascripts.

[–]Random_Guy_5657 77ポイント78ポイント  (5子コメント)

4chan is that you?

[–]UltraRunningKid 64ポイント65ポイント  (6子コメント)

“I’ll create a GUI interface using VISUAL BASIC, see if I can track an IP address.”

[–]mattsidesinger 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did you also remember to reroute the encryptions?

[–]rocklou 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course, but not before downloading the mainframe. Always download the mainframe.

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    [–]riahc4 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Same.

    Waiting for /u/R3d_Anonymous TIFU...

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      [–]skaschmidt 520ポイント521ポイント  (922子コメント)

      Americans don't get sick days? I knew maternity leave was at the discretion of the employer, is it the same with sick leave?

      [–]R3d_Anonymous[S] 404ポイント405ポイント  (421子コメント)

      Yep, discretion of employer. More than a third of American workers have no paid sick days.

      [–]ozarkslam21 195ポイント196ポイント  (48子コメント)

      Yup. Previous job I had gave no paid time off until you'd been employed for a full year. Get appendicitis after one week on the job. missed a week of work with no pay, plus the medical bills. It is shockingly easy to get completely submerged by medical bills in the USA.

      [–]elkfeeder 259ポイント260ポイント  (13子コメント)

      Well you should have thought of that BEFORE you got sick, smart guy.

      [–]ozarkslam21 76ポイント77ポイント  (3子コメント)

      True. My appendix and I really should have been on the same page

      [–]Abimor-BehindYou 27ポイント28ポイント  (4子コメント)

      The real mistake was not being on top of where you were born. Do some people just spend 9 entire months floating in amniotic fluid? Lazy babies.

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        [–]jva51 34ポイント35ポイント  (1子コメント)

        On top of that, you were "lucky" because you could have possibly/probably lost your job, as job protection through FMLA doesn't pick up until you've been employed for a full year.

        [–]throwtheamiibosaway 40ポイント41ポイント  (26子コメント)

        So in the USA you get double fucked. No pay AND insane bills! #murca

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          [–]spyd3rweb 83ポイント84ポイント  (102子コメント)

          I don't even get UNPAID sick days. If we take a day off for sickness it counts as a write up if you get 6 of them in a rolling year you are fired, punching in 10 minutes late also counts as a write up. There are also no 'excused' absences, even if you are in the ER.

          [–]zealen 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Sounds smart, have to go to work or you are fired, gets everybody else at work sick.

          [–]OfOrcaWhales 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          But it's fine. Everybody else has to work sick too. No problem.

          [–]MiltownKBs 16ポイント17ポイント  (14子コメント)

          I worked at a place like this. 6 and you are gone. If you were 1 minute late clocking in, you got a .5 write-up. If you were 1 minute late to your work station, even if clocked in, you got a .5 write up. So you had to clock in 5 minutes early to actually be on time, then the time clock would round up to the nearest hour, so would not get paid. Could not leave your work station until 5pm, so you would end up clocking out 5 minutes late, and the time clock would round down for you. Essentially 10 minutes unpaid every day. Which works out to be about 40 hours at the end of the year.

          [–]SpaceMoose9k 15ポイント16ポイント  (6子コメント)

          Great for morale.

          [–]MiltownKBs 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

          Yes, and this company wondered why turnover was so high and training costs were through the roof. So instead of creating a better culture, they cut training programs and pushed the training on existing disgruntled employees and got rid of nearly all of the middle management and lowered the starting wage by $2 or more an hour. Then they wondered why quality issues were on the rise. Sitting in these meetings with the upper management was one of the most frustrating things I have ever done. Having to fire good employees because of silly infractions was one the saddest. I had to fire a single mom of three kids not because she was a bad worker, not because she was a behavior problem, but because she missed a few days due to normal illnesses of her children and was late a few times during a 12 month period. I cried when she left my office.

          [–]badmother 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

          ITT: Trying hard not to say it, but (in some significant ways) the USA is a shitty country.

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              [–]R3d_Anonymous[S] 118ポイント119ポイント  (69子コメント)

              Holy shit, that's like human rights abuse...

              [–]kwowo 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

              We have 3x4 paid sick days during a year in which we don't need to have a doctor's note. If you go to the doctor and get a note, you can get as many days as the doctor says you need. Over a certain length of sick days, the government takes over the payment fully.

              This is of course in addition to 5 weeks mandatory vacation.

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                [–]esbio 484ポイント485ポイント  (224子コメント)

                Land of freedom... to exploit.

                [–]BurnedOut_ITGuy 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

                Yes and no. Those companies that offer no sick time struggle to retain employees and deal with high turnover.

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                  [–]Sir_Aleister 8ポイント9ポイント  (24子コメント)

                  Are the standard health insurance (let's say the one that an employee in a medium to big company gets with his job) including paid leave ? 

                  I know that in Breaking bad the guy keeps his teacher job despite his cancer but is it as bad in real life ? Or can people seriously sick get 3/6 month off (Even if they still have to give a call a week and say hello once in a while) to cure themselves ? 

                  What about people potentially contagious ? Or people working with dangerous machines That you shouldn't work with while feeling sick...

                  [–]good_advice_srsly 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  You get sick days at the discretion of the employer. If you work for a big national corporation on salary, you might be offered unpaid leave if you are really sick.

                  My dad had cancer and needed surgical tumor removal. He got to take his remaining sick days, his vacation days, and then he was thankfully approved to go on a long term leave. This meant that he got no pay, but got to keep his health insurance had a job to come back to when he was healthy.

                  I had a similar situation that required me to go on a 2.5 month medical leave. I immediately lost my pay and my health insurance only lasted the remainder of the month that I filed the leave on, but I had a job to come back to. My dad helped me cover an individual health insurance plan to cover the remainder of my medical leave.

                  When I was younger, my mom got sick and my dad lost his job around the same time. That ate my parents' entire savings that they spent years building, piled on a motherload of debt. They've been chasing minimum payments ever since.

                  This is as good as it gets in the US. I was damn lucky. Getting sick is the best way to destroy your family and livelihood in America. And we're talking about people with full time salary jobs at major corporations in my examples.. these options aren't even available to hourly or contract workers, which are the most common employment types.

                  I look into my future and I just don't see anything there. I don't know how I'll ever be able to afford a family, a mortgage, when the system just feels poised and ready to rip it all out from under you.

                  [–]PM_YourTitsAndAss 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Most medical insurance doesn't include anything for wage loss. There are some supplemental policies for short term disability.

                  [–]damnisuckatreddit 21ポイント22ポイント  (18子コメント)

                  When I worked at a lead mine it was common, if not outright expected, to work while sick with flu. I was also once required to continue working with a finger fracture because there was no one else on site able to do my job. Didn't get any time off for that one either. Just a splint.

                  In more normal jobs, you'll maybe get lightly told off for coming in sick, but you'll be reprimanded much harder for taking two days off in a row. Usually it becomes a cue for them to find a way to fire you.

                  [–]tarzanboyo 32ポイント33ポイント  (15子コメント)

                  I was a but depressed recently, got a docs note and had 2 months off full pay..fuck being told to come in. My boss was fine with it and said to let him know when I felt like coming back... ah good old UK.

                  [–]damnisuckatreddit 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Haha goddamn, you'd be laughed out of the building if you came in with a sick note for depression in the US. Pretty sure everyone I've ever known has been diagnosed with depression at some point or other... in fact I'd probably be more weirded out if I found out a coworker wasn't depressed.

                  [–]Gummi-Tank 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  That's what I thought......I wonder how common it is for a non American employee to go into their job with a gun and want to harm other bosses/employees. I've personally known about at least 3 active employee shooters happened in the places I've lived(Alabama and Florida) there's probably more but just forgotten about.

                  [–]EWSTW 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Funny story! Kinda.

                  My company has been having a real hard time lately. Quarterly layoffs, quarterly furloughs, no raises this year to keep up with cost of living increases, all bonus programs have been cut. Everything is hitting the shitter.

                  After we got a email last week saying there would be one more round of layoffs before the end of the year. I've noticed a bunch of "What to do in case of an active shooter" posters around work. We are being advised to take this class so we can be prepared for the event that someone may come into work and shoot the place up.

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                    [–]Mrqueue 2ポイント3ポイント  (10子コメント)

                    well by law in UK you are only required to be paid £80 every 4 days you are off with the first 5 days being not covered. We just have better employers over here

                    [–]ponyboycurtis007 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Working in a lead mine sounds very unhealthy. Is there any danger from the materials you are handling?

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                      [–]Meaowright 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      No, depends on the state. Oregon, employers are legally required to have paid sick leave for a certain amount of days based on how many are employed.

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                        [–]Jepacor 493ポイント494ポイント  (335子コメント)

                        Americans pretty much have nothing when it comes to social rights. It's a leftover from the Cold War era where everything roughly close to socialism is instantly hated. I'm even wondering if they get paid leave too.

                        EDIT : Gosh, yes I know, you have benefits. Let me clarify, and you can correct me if I'm wrong :

                        Americains have no guaranted benefits, or at least very few compared to European countries. Most are at the discretion of the employer, and even then, my understanding is that they usually are subpar compared to the guaranted benefits in European countries.

                        [–]AtomicFlx 243ポイント244ポイント  (230子コメント)

                        Paid leave? As in vacation time? HA!! No chance in hell.

                        [–]petrifiedcoffee 203ポイント204ポイント  (200子コメント)

                        That is up to the discretion of the employer as well

                        [–]Cptknuuuuut 198ポイント199ポイント  (199子コメント)

                        Holy shit. I knew your social system is fucked up, but I had no idea it's that fucked up...

                        Holidays as well? Like, Christmas, Thanksgiving etc?

                        [–]dylan_the_wizard 121ポイント122ポイント  (40子コメント)

                        I worked in retail for 3 years. Missed 3 thanksgivings due to black friday sales starting the day of thanksgiving. 100% store attendance required, anyone that didn't show up was fired.

                        🇺🇸

                        [–]ladadadas 79ポイント80ポイント  (17子コメント)

                        Reading stories like that it seems remarkable that there aren't more workplace shootings in the US.

                        Americans must be zen as fuck.

                        [–]fullofwind 139ポイント140ポイント  (8子コメント)

                        Americans must be zen as fuck.

                        Or anxious as fuck. There is a reason we take the most painkillers, anti-depressants, and opiates of any country.

                        [–]TEMPORAL_TACO_TAMER 51ポイント52ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Nope. Work or starve. Easy choice sadly.

                        [–]widenthegapamerica 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Were just highly medicated

                        [–]FunThingsInTheBum 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        We're not, it's just there's nothing you can do really

                        [–]theevilmidnightbombr 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I assume it's all the cheap booze (hello from Canada!). And now pot is legalish to make thing all better.

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                            [–]svenhoek86 178ポイント179ポイント  (50子コメント)

                            Employers discretion. The best is working a job with no holiday pay and the owner takes a week off for holidays.

                            OK cool, guess I'm just broke.

                            [–]petrifiedcoffee 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            There are federal holidays, but it depends on employers. Technically, "No federal law currently requires private employers to provide holidays to their employees on federally recognized holidays or on any other days."

                            http://www.wagehourinsights.com/2014/09/are-employers-required-to-provide-holidays-or-holiday-premium-pay-wage-hour-faq/

                            [–]Cheesemacher 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            I have tomorrow off for a national holiday by default. I feel spoiled.

                            [–]PMme_slave_leia_pics 31ポイント32ポイント  (20子コメント)

                            Nope. No holidays. In fact in a lot of cases people are scheduled on holidays without any say. You can either work it or lose your job.

                            [–]desilent 19ポイント20ポイント  (15子コメント)

                            That means that people who really get ill sometimes keep on working their jobs because they are afraid to lose everything, meanwhile they risk their own health without treating it right until you are forced to actually take off-time because well, you lay in the hospital or w/e. This also backfires on the employer, not just the employee, but I guess they can be replaced. Nontheless, shitty system, I love the idea of freedom in America, I love the language and a lot of other things aswell, but this alone makes me feel glad to live in a country with an amazing social system. BTw, I am from Germany.

                            [–]AlmightyCuddleBuns 19ポイント20ポイント  (8子コメント)

                            If you like their language and your social system, then come to Canada! You'll have to compromise on some of the freedom (hate speech isn't protected here) and the language (we add "u"s all over the place) but we're way less anxious here because we know if we get sick we can go see a doctor without becoming broke and we know if we get pregnant we can take time off without becoming jobless and broke. We're not quite as good as Germany (to my knowledge) but we're a nice middle ground. (This has been a message from the tourism board of America's Hat)

                            [–]PMme_slave_leia_pics 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Show me how to get a job there and I'm in. No joke.

                            [–]-oopsie-poopsie- 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            We don't add the u's we just don't remove them!

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                              [–]PMme_slave_leia_pics 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              It's worse than that. I'm a 20 year professional chef. People in the restaurant industry have some of the worst "benefits" in America. Many, many times I have seen cooks, bussers, waitstaff and managers work while very ill out of fear of losing their jobs if they didn't. While they serve food all day. Get pregnant? Fuck you, work. Get sick? Fuck you, work. Have a loved one sick or die? Fuck you, work.

                              I'm lucky enough to have much better than average benefits after 10 year in a union house, I worked for two years before I got one day of vacation. After 10 years I get three weeks a year. My sister in Canada? She got 5 weeks the day she started her job and is an American citizen.

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                                  [–]GaiaFisher 20ポイント21ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                  Definitely not holidays. Source, worked Thanksgiving, am working Christmas and New Years, get scheduled because I'm "the college student without kids to see".

                                  [–]robotzor 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                  Never let them know you're single. Anywhere you go. Learn that lesson now and hold it close.

                                  [–]rarebit13 15ポイント16ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                  At least you get double time for working on public holidays, and time and a half for weekends, right?

                                  [–]noxumida 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Hahahahaha. This thread is hilarious.

                                  :'(

                                  [–]BrandizzleToday 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  No. My wife works every holiday in customer service... no OT or anything. She has 36 hours of vacation to use or lose this month... but it's all blacked out. There's only a few times a year she can use it really, so she generally ends up losing it.

                                  [–]InceptDate20160725 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  There's only a few times a year she can use it really, so she generally ends up losing it.

                                  Does she get pay in lieu of the lost time off? Because if the business can't accommodate vacation time, she has to be compensated for it -- at least in Canada.

                                  [–]logicoptional 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Not required in the US and not required in my state (NY).

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                                    [–]GaiaFisher 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                    I'm not sure I even get time and a half for the holidays. I can definitely confirm I make the exact same minimum wage on weekends that I do regularly (I'm just working an easy job while I do classes, hence the minimum wage).

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                                        [–]TheRealTedHornsby 7ポイント8ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                        Thanksgiving and Christmas are usually given as days off. This doesn't mean you will necessarily get paid for those days, however. So for a lot of people just end up with a short check that week.

                                        It is not mandated that workers be given these days off either. It is really more of a cultural thing.

                                        [–]LeftRat 34ポイント35ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                        If, by "cultural thing" you mean "deeply problematic capitalist culture that tells people they have to accept being exploited thing".

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                                          [–]Cptknuuuuut 16ポイント17ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                          Not sure if real or joke. But I guess that's telling enough?

                                          [–]NateNMaxsRobot 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                          Exactly. Some companies will grant you PTO (paid time off), which you can use for sick days or vacation days, but that means you're not eligible for paid sick days until you've accrued enough PTO days. When you start a new job, you obviously have zero PTO days. You have to earn the PTO time/days, so no getting sick for at least the first year...

                                          [–]cholita7 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          This is the way my job is. Also, PTO must be requested at least three days in advance. How the fuck am I supposed to know when I am going to get sick? Total bullshit.

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                                              [–]jplayer01 37ポイント38ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              And they're so happy to defend this too.

                                              [–]AceOfReQuiem 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Thats the sad part. More actual living for us I suppose.

                                              [–]machine_made 17ポイント18ポイント  (65子コメント)

                                              We don't get paid leave in the way that some European countries do, where you get vacation pay on top of what would be be the regular pay for that time.

                                              Instead, if we're lucky, we get vacation time, which we can use in lieu of working, so if I take a vacation day (or a few vacation days), I get paid my regular wage for the days which I am on vacation.

                                              That in itself is a big part of the American "stay-cation" which is where we take vacation days, but don't actually go anywhere. It's just a week at home, sleeping in and eating fast food, lol.

                                              [–]Cptknuuuuut 27ポイント28ポイント  (40子コメント)

                                              Not sure if I unterstand your differentiation correctly.

                                              In Europe you have a certain salary per month and a certain amount of vacation time (usually 25-30 days, aka 5-6 weeks on a 5 day work week). So, it's paid vacation in the sense that you receive your monthly wage regardless of whether you actually worked that month or were on vacation.

                                              While there are things like "holiday allowance" (You sometimes receive extra money on certain dates. Most common would be Christmas, sometimes a second time in the summer, but that's rather rare), that's usually up to the employer. To my knowledge, there's no European country with mandatory vacation money.

                                              [–]per_plex 14ポイント15ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                              Cant speak for other countries, but at least Norway has mandatory vacation money defined in their working enviroment act. Typically, a worker will recieve a sum of 12,5% of last years pay for vacation money.

                                              [–]bespoketech 8ポイント9ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                              Sweden too! I think you get paid 112%-or-so of your normal "day salary" for every Holiday-day taken.

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                                                  [–]greennick 40ポイント41ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                  Almost everyone in the world gets vacation time. Most more than Americans do.

                                                  [–]machine_made 45ポイント46ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                  Yeah, the lack of vacation time, and the pressure not to take it if you have it is really crazy here.

                                                  [–]greennick 35ポイント36ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                  Yeah, the pressure to not take time off is just weird. Employees who take time off are more productive and more likely to stay. In many cases employers are going to have to pay out the leave anyway when you leave (though not always in the US).

                                                  I can't believe you guys haven't campaigned for more supportive federal labour laws.

                                                  [–]LeftRat 49ポイント50ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                  Well, that's what happens when you spend decades villifying any governmental oversight and pro-worker laws as "communist". I've had people that were exploited like slaves, barely scraping by with zero rights viciously defend their system. It's frightening to see capitalist propaganda so ingrained in workers that they argue against their own well-being.

                                                  [–]reeder1987 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  Were forced to take our vacation days 2x a year. Shit out of luck if your part time.(95% of our staff). I have almost 1000 sick hours and I have taken 8 in the last 10 years.

                                                  [–]tarzanboyo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Haha in the UK and everyone I know will almost always have used a week's worth of sickdays a year minimum regardless of job, you should be legally allowed to be sick without getting fired

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                                                    [–]ca7593 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    If you're getting pressured to not take your vacation days it may be time to find a new place to work.

                                                    Every place I've ever worked have been adamant about me taking all my days.

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                                                      [–]Jepacor 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      Well that works like that in European countries too, you get vacation time where you get your regular wage not working, except it's guaranted and not "if we're lucky". In France it's 5 weeks per year.

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                                                        [–]jakt_ 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                        We americans get sick leave. It's just not guaranteed to be paid. I have paid sick leave at my job. I have paid 5 weeks vacation, 5 days personal holidays, and 5 sick days although you can go over on the latter.

                                                        [–]Waffleici 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        I've never worked anywhere that doesn't have paid sick leave. Just because the government doesn't mandate it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Something Reddit can't seem to comprehend.

                                                        [–]pegcity 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        I am sure all the African and former soviet bloc countries in green here abide by their labour laws, fucking sudan is a failed state and it is on here

                                                        [–]IncognitoIsBetter 36ポイント37ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                        Contrary to what many americans believe... Most third world countries have better labor laws than the US. They usually just mix their economy's capacity to sustain higher wages with actual workers rights, which... As you can see... Are two completely different things.

                                                        [–]SubotaiKhan 44ポイント45ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                                        Can confirm. I am from South America. My American friend was surprised that we got a 13th, trade unions, right to paid strike, resignation and fire payment, retirement, maternity and sick paid. Also free healthcare and education.

                                                        And no, we have a shitty economy for having shitty politicians, not because having labour rights.

                                                        [–]IncognitoIsBetter 37ポイント38ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                        For our american friends that may not know, the 13th is a christmas bonus that amounts to an additional full month salary.

                                                        In South America salary is paid and negotiated in months (instead of hours), and by law companies are required to pay an additional 13th month salary during Christmas.

                                                        So yeah... That's a thing.

                                                        [–]tack50 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Yeah, we have the same thing here in Spain (actually 2 of them, one in Christmas and another in June), and we also negotiate our salaries in months (or sometimes years) instead of hours.

                                                        Your business might decide to give you 12 payments instead of 14 though, but they have to pay you the same (so you end up earning a bit more every month instead of less with big prices every 6 months). That's why our minimum wage is usually described as 650€/month, but it's really more like 710€/month

                                                        [–]Doristocrat 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        So then don't you just get paid less the rest of the year? It's like the legally mandated you giving your company an interest free loan every year.

                                                        [–]Sir_Aleister 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        In South America salary is paid and negotiated in months (instead of hours), and by law companies are required to pay an additional 13th month salary during Christmas

                                                        I have a 13th and a 14th month. and I feel pretty fucked-up : Instead of getting 1/12 of my yearly salary every month I get 1/14 of my salary every month + 2 bonus in June/December… If I have to plan big expense I have to keep that into account but when searching an apartment to rent or a mortgage to buy one the bank will see the monthly salary which is less that what I really get because of this stupid 13th and 14th month…

                                                        [–]photenth 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        13th and 14th is awesome, it's pretty much my taxes so I can just pay it in directly.

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                                                              [–]AngriestSCV 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              This is the kind of thing that the states decide. Tennessee has no sick day laws. California does.

                                                              I'd be interested in seeing a version of this just for the states.

                                                              [–]yep45 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              The federal government doesn't mandate everything with regards to employee benefits

                                                              [–]Uz3rnam3 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                              I live in America and I get two weeks of paid sick leave, free health care, and a month of vacation. (Paid for by the company, not the government.) It just depends on where you work.

                                                              [–]Nortoninstitute 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              Yes, the difference is in most other countries there is federally mandated, guaranteed sick leave for everyone. So even if you do not have that great of a job, or would otherwise not be able to afford to take time off work in the instance of illness, you are fine.

                                                              Like, the U.S. is down at the bottom here with Angola, Somalia, Laos, etc in terms of no federal legislation. It's ridiculous that Americans defend that.

                                                              [–]thegil13 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              In the US, I get about 3-4 weeks of vacation throughout the year and as many sick days as I want (but my company would probably get peeved if I took more than like 5 a year). And I have a co-worker that has been out for a few months battling cancer who is still being paid.

                                                              It all depends on the company.

                                                              [–]Choochoomoo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Yes, we get sick days. There's a huge difference between "not mandated by the government" and "doesn't exist."

                                                              [–]Blackchain77 17ポイント18ポイント  (68子コメント)

                                                              It's likely under the purview of the employer and states' rights. There isn't a federal law for paid sick leave according to this diagram, but every state likely has a law for some minimum paid sick leave time, however short it is. These diagrams never truly show what's happening in the US because they focus on federal laws instead of local, and local law picks up where the federal government leaves off because of the limited scope of federal government actions as dictated by the Bill of Rights. Does this mean every state has paid sick leave? No, but I guarantee you a bunch do.

                                                              [–]westromebestrome 27ポイント28ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                              I studied in California at a Community College for one semester 5 years ago and one of the things that really stuck with me was when my math professor was teaching the day after his surgery. He was obviously in pain as he grimaced every time he had to move so I asked him why he was there.

                                                              He told me they only had 2 sick days a year and if he was sick for more than 2 days it would be taken from his vacation (2 weeks).

                                                              One of the things that made me realize that I would never want to live in the US as middle class.

                                                              [–]leftinthedark 63ポイント64ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                              FWIW, New York, the bastion of liberalism doesn't. I moved to the US from the socialist empire of igloos and learned that the hard way. Was headhunted for a new job that I didn't really want (was a longer commute.) Anyway, I asked for a whopper of a salary and they said yes. So I took the job. then we found out we were pregnant, so the news was great. I was at work, then wife at her work (for the state.)

                                                              Kid comes along and I say, I need a week off to be with the kid. They were like, you didn't negotiate time off. I was like, wait, what? You're saying I get ZERO vacation? Then I'm calling in sick. They are like, you didn't negotiate sick days.

                                                              So I took unpaid leave. And since this is the country of the free market, I began my new job search while the new baby slept. Started a new job 2 month later.

                                                              And yes, the company could have treated me better – and because of the free market, perhaps learned the right way to treat someone. But wrapped up in this whole free market are people and families. And I had the privilege to find something new, so I'm lucky. Most people aren't. They are fucked by a system that treats people like numbers. I seriously think it is why people in America are so fucking angry all the time at other people. The system is truly awful.

                                                              [–]koolaidface 24ポイント25ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                              It's hilarious that we are so angry, yet we vote for politicians that want to make it harder, because we fall for their 'fear of other' campaign narratives.

                                                              We are getting what we deserve.

                                                              [–]LeftRat 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                              Keep in mind that there are alternatives. Laws and economic systems can be torn down and re-built.

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                                                                [–]user_of_the_week 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                TBH, I don't see a big difference between a job with paid vacation time and a respectively higher paying one with the possibility of unpaid leave. Somewhat the same for sick time, except for lengthy illnesses.

                                                                The real problem are low-paying jobs without any benefits.

                                                                [–]leftinthedark 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                I agree. In theory, the market fixes situations like mine. I get another job.

                                                                Society shouldn't be designed for me, though. It should be designed for people who need it. People who get paid minimum wage and can't just take a week off unpaid. In Canada, you earn paid days off. but if you're a paid by the house person, and you work on Fed holidays, you get double pay. My brother gets double time for working on holidays. He got a year Fraternity leave (60% of his normal wages.)

                                                                I don't know the better system. I wasn't really harmed the current one, and each time I vote for people who would might make the current system better, but so often the ones who will make it worse for the poor win.

                                                                Aside: this election, with the people in charge, will be a fucking boom for me. My kids college fund will kill it on the market. My own 401Ks and some additional investments in actual stocks will kill. Hell, like the Presiudent-elect, I own some Apple. Part of me thinks "Wheeeee" this is going to be awesome. I'm a white male in America making a decent wage. This guy and his cronies will make that even fucking better. And if he doesn't, I still have a Canadian passport. I'm as privileged as you can find (short of being an actual millionaire,) and I'm genuinely sad for this country.

                                                                I made a pledge to my kids. I will not say I told you so to the people I know who voted for Twitterman, even though it seemed clear he wasn't on their side. I promised to call and work to keep him at least a little on their side. I'm worried about you America. I really am.

                                                                [–]Rosalind_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                New York City has guaranteed paid sick leave now:

                                                                http://www1.nyc.gov/site/dca/about/paid-sick-leave-employees.page

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                                                                  [–]AtomicFlx 27ポイント28ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                  Four states have mandatory sick leave... Four.... and two of thoes are tiny shitty states. This map is accurate.

                                                                  [–]Tyrannosaurus-WRX 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  California, Massachusetts, Oregon, and Connecticut are the states with mandatory sick leave. Those 4 states account for 51 million people of the 318 million US population, so ~16%. That's not insignificant.

                                                                  [–]ProjectNew 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                  Assuming you mean CT and MA? How are those shitty states?

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                                                                    [–]DARIF 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                    Does this mean every state has paid sick leave? No, but I guarantee you a bunch do.

                                                                    This map measures by country not by state.

                                                                    [–]ZebZ 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    In what world is 5 out of 50 "a bunch"?

                                                                    [–]sickbeard2 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                    Yeah, that was the entire point of the post.

                                                                    These diagrams never truly show what's happening in the US because they focus on federal laws instead of local, and local law picks up where the federal government leaves off because of the limited scope of federal government actions as dictated by the Bill of Rights.

                                                                    E.G., If we get a graph of arson laws around the world, the US might appear lax. That doesn't mean it's legal to burn your neighbour's house down.

                                                                    [–]seeingbeing 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    This would also be true in any country with more than one level of government. The map is still correct.

                                                                    [–]rmslashusr 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Which would be nearly every country but different countries have a different balance of power between federal and local law. His point was that the US leans heavily towards local laws so these maps a more inaccurate when evaluating the US. The common one seen is expenditure on education by country and only including federal dollars when pretty much all Primary education is funded at the state level and below in the US.

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                                                                      [–]AbsolutShite 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                      5 according to this.

                                                                      Seems to be 1 new state a year enacting it since 2011, so most states should have it by 2036. Unless you colonise a few more places or find a need for East Virginia...

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                                                                        [–]0xAE 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                        It's no so clear cut as "Americans don't get sick days". There's no federal legislation but some individual states and municipalities do require it. I've never worked for a company that didn't provide it.

                                                                        [–]TDual 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Many many Americans do get sick leave. In america, the terms of employment are a negotiated contract between an employee and employer. There are many things that are required by law, but the amount of leave is one open to negotiation between two private parties.

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                                                                          [–]havishlodge 178ポイント179ポイント  (41子コメント)

                                                                          Some of the marked countries don't even have functioning governments let alone country-wide labour laws

                                                                          [–]birdie_sparrows 31ポイント32ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                          Yeah, driving down the highway in India you will sometimes see what might loosely be called a construction site where there are women hauling bricks in the hot sun. They make perhaps three dollars a day and there will often times be a toddler following mom around or playing in the dirt nearby.

                                                                          Somehow I feel like a construction job that lets your kid run around free while the work is being done isn't going to offer paid sick leave.

                                                                          [–]egeeirl 54ポイント55ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                          OP is having fun posting charts about America. Look at this recent posts - https://www.reddit.com/user/R3d_Anonymous/submitted/

                                                                          [–]wrugoin 48ポイント49ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                                                          Yeah I know. What a stupid fucking map designed to imply that America has no sick leave anywhere. It must be a labor utopia everywhere else! I wonder if Foxconn is hiring. I hear the benefits are amazing in China.

                                                                          [–]plazmablu 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                          Just saying, if you're comparing working conditions in your country to China then you need to improve your working conditions. "but the totalitarian government has worse conditions" is not a valid argument.

                                                                          [–]Zakatikus 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          question for you - would you consider a lump pool of paid-time-off (PTO) as paid sick leave? Or just vacation? Something different? I feel like a lot of businesses are moving in that direction anyways, might change how its reported.

                                                                          [–]CapeNative 11ポイント12ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                          Not to mention that in many cases, such as this, labor laws vary from state to state. We recently passed mandatory sick leave here in MA.

                                                                          [–]R3d_Anonymous[S] 18ポイント19ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                          Only five states have the mandate...

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                                                                              [–]Lunchboxxx0 133ポイント134ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                              China doesn't have sick leave... I worked there for 3.5 years and always got my pay deducted if i was ill - I knew someone who had a heart attack missed work for 1 month and didn't get paid a penny - also note, if nobody is bringing you food during your hospital stay you're probably going to starve to death.

                                                                              My wife never got paid sick leave and my friends that still live out there don't get paid sick leave either (various locations throughout china, working for different sized companies).

                                                                              It might be something that they're required to do by law but the reality is that in China they really do not give a shit about the law.

                                                                              Oh i'll also add that working 10 hours a day, 6 days a week is pretty typical.. During the summer months I was working 8am - 10pm 6 days a week, so that was fun.

                                                                              [–]fuzzybunn 55ポイント56ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                              Well if anecdotes count for anything... I work for banking call centers and have to deal with a lot of call centre agents to test our products. They mostly get paid by the hour and understandably usually don't want to work late. But only in China have I had agents leave mid-conversation with me because the hour was up, or inform me that it was illegal for me to expect them to work more than 40 hours a week. Also people seemed to be on leave or off sick all the time, and I had to remember not to schedule anything just after lunch because that was nap time.

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                                                                                [–]ewrfsdfsdr 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                Meanwhile in Germany, if you take your (paid) free days and you get sick during that time, you can just take the free days again, because it's not counted as free days if you are sick.

                                                                                [–]UUUUUUUUU030 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Same in the Netherlands, but it is quite a lot of work because you have to contact your employer and show that you're sick, which is difficult if you are on vacation.

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                                                                                  [–]Zarlon 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                  Countries with no sick leave (according to the map):

                                                                                  Angola
                                                                                  Guinea-Bissau
                                                                                  India
                                                                                  Laos
                                                                                  Libera
                                                                                  Mozambique
                                                                                  Nepal
                                                                                  Sierra Leone
                                                                                  Somalia
                                                                                  South Korea
                                                                                  Sri Lanka
                                                                                  USA

                                                                                  [–]lind_p 41ポイント42ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                                  These things make me realize how great it is to live in a country where almost everything is free.. Healthcare, education, sick days, 6 weeks of paid vacation and so on.. Sure, our taxes is a bit higher compared to rest of the world, but I'm pretty sure it compensate for paying thousands of dollars every year.

                                                                                  Recently I saw a post on reddit with a medicine student who had $300K student loans. That is just unbelievable. I could educate myself to be a surgeon or something like that, and the government would PAY ME for educating myself.

                                                                                  It's a strange world we live in..

                                                                                  [–]Sir_Aleister 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  To play devil's advocate (I am European). For the same job in the U.S. I would easily double my (before-Tax) income (The company are paying taxes which don't go in the salary). I would have enough money to pay 3k a month in health insurance, save 1k a month for unpaid holidays, and put eventual children in a decent school. But that's because I have a so-called "good job". But I am glad to be in a country who help the poorest, where having a serious health issue will not bankrupt me and where even the poor can succeed through hard work (it is still way harder for them) at school without building huge debt just to get a degree...

                                                                                  [–]SullyKid 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                  But how much do doctors in your country make and how much would they pay in taxes? Honest question. Because that could make a world of difference between the US and other countries. I suspect that they're paid much lower than American doctors?

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                                                                                    [–]expat-denver 89ポイント90ポイント  (72子コメント)

                                                                                    Many Americans seem to talk about 'freedom' a lot. What exactly are these 'freedoms' that you believe people in other developed modern capitalist economies are missing out on? What freedom is someone working in Norway, Denmark, UK, Spain, Italy, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand etc missing out on, that if only they moved to America, they could enjoy?

                                                                                    I say this as a European who has lived in the US for 9 years, mainly because I'm quite fortunate in the amount of paid leave and income I get. I often find that the people more confident that the US has more freedom than other countries, to be the people who haven't actually been anywhere.

                                                                                    [–]tunisia3507 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                    British person living in the US - to make a sweeping generalisation, Americans are terrified of oppression by the government, and fight tooth and nail against it. However, this leaves them completely blind to oppression by non-government entities like corporations. Some actually believe that the free market (for both goods and labour) is a force powerful enough to ensure that companies have the best interest of their employees and customers at heart. They are, of course, wrong.

                                                                                    [–]R3d_Anonymous[S] 46ポイント47ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                                                                    Freedom for corporate fatcats to get even fatter, really.

                                                                                    The whole thing is a fraud really. The reality is that the United States is actually one of the least socio-economically mobile developed countries, which is what makes the concept of the "American Dream" such an irony.

                                                                                    [–]ApostateAardwolf 51ポイント52ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    'Don't tax the 1% I might join em one day'

                                                                                    [–]OmarAssadi 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                    "American Dream"

                                                                                    "The American dream" has always been about coming to America from somewhere else to make more money, and as a result, have a better life. Nobody has ever implied that the inner-city Americans working at a gas station in the middle of East St. Louis are living "The American Dream".

                                                                                    The American dream still totally exists for highly skilled workers coming from Europe/elsewhere and totally exists for people of all skill levels coming from other regions of the world (E.g., Russia, China, etc).

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Take a look at the average salary for our doctors, programmers, engineers, etc; they totally demolish the average wage abroad (this does not mean America is great for the average person, but it is hard to say the dream is dead).

                                                                                     

                                                                                    The average software engineer in the US is making about $80,000, yet the average software engineer in the UK is only making $45,000. This isn't even accounting for purchasing power, which'll sway this even further in our favor.

                                                                                    Additionally, when you look at high-paying areas in the country, it shows an even bigger gap; software engineers in London on average make $50,000 and software engineers in San Francisco earn $110,000 on average.

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                                                                                      [–]ohmybobs 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      I would love to see this question on ask Reddit! Could you please? :)

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                                                                                        [–]BelliimiTravler 43ポイント44ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                                                        If you're in the US and it want sick leave, with health benefits, a decent pay rate and extra time with the family, consider nursing. I'm a male nurse and I love it.

                                                                                        [–]ZeoFateX 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                        I am also a nurse, and it very much varies from place to place. Most of the hospitals treat us well. As with most industries in the US benefits, PTO, and holiday pay are being cut almost yearly. I started with a pension, several holidays, and PTO days that could be accumulated and rolled over. Pension was gone within two years, two holiday days were cut, and if you don't use your PTO by the end of the year you lose it. Oh don't forget there are blackout days for PTO now too.

                                                                                        And I wouldn't call them paid sick days. If you are sick you start with your PTO then go into your Extended Illness Time. So if you get sick forget about that vacation you had planned. And you are basically an asshole if you call out. The companies (again, some) do a very good job of making you feel bad for being sick. We all sit there and grumble when the hospital makes us work short staffed because somebody called out and doesn't want to pay anybody overtime or incentive pay to come in. But it is what it is.

                                                                                        Otherwise it's an excellent career and RELATIVELY speaking the benefits are better.

                                                                                        My co pays are like $10, and admissions/treatments are 100% covered as long as it's "in network". At one of the best hospital systems in the US that's not too shabby. And it's cheap at about $20/mo (individual plan, family is 2-3x as much). And now they have a wellness benefit that you save $600/yr so long as you meet a very realistic goal.

                                                                                        The other place I work that was unionized had the benefits ripped away to basically the Obamacare bronze plan. It used to be 100% coverage. And it was like $60/mo 70/30 split. Everyone bailed.

                                                                                        I love my job and my co-workers and patients and that's what I do it for. If you're not there for those things it's easy to burn out.

                                                                                        TL;DR Yes the benefits are better relatively speaking. If you're not doing this job because bottom line you love taking care of people, pick a different career. You will get burned out.

                                                                                        [–]ball_gag3 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                        Or really any job beyond minimum wage. I haven't been without paid sick leave, vacation time, and other benefits since I was 21.

                                                                                        [–]ringzero- 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        My brother went from welder to nurse and he loved it. Got his CNA/LPN and was studying his RN before he passed away.

                                                                                        One of the things he said that always resonated with me: "Do I want to stand on a hot metal roof in July, welding, and only making minimum wage. Or do I work in an air conditioned office where the male/female ratio is actually in your favor, and being in high demand?"

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                                                                                          [–]throwitupwatchitfall 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                          As an employer, incorporate sick leave into the expected cost of someone when I hire them. Assuming other employers do the same (likely for any shrewd businessman), it follows that dishonest people get higher salaries, as they're more likely to "pull a sickie" (feign sickness, as we call it here in Australia).

                                                                                          Although doctor's certificates are technically required, they're easy to get as 123, and to rub salt into the wound, the cost of the appointment is covered by tax payers at a premium.

                                                                                          They often pull sickies at inconvenient times and at short notice, such as being hung over from the night before.

                                                                                          This incentivises me to pay staff on an hourly rate, as opposed to hiring them "full time" (which would obligate sick leaves) - a security that would have otherwise been preferred by me and many staff members.

                                                                                          We should consider the possible unintended consequences of policies which we use government to force upon individuals.

                                                                                          What would at least be better is for employees to get paid out for sick leave which they do not use. That way they're less likely to feign sickness short notice and leave the business understaffed on crucial days.

                                                                                          [–]hiro11 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          I get 30 days of paid time off a year, all the Federal holidays off and short term disability insurance for free. I'm fairly senior, but the same is true for everyone that works for my company. This is the benefit of working in a cubical farm for a Fortune 500 company. I understand that this might not be true for some people but lack of government mandates doesn't tell the full story.

                                                                                          [–]kona_boy 190ポイント191ポイント  (126子コメント)

                                                                                          ITT: Americans defending how shit the labour conditions are.

                                                                                          Please, tell me more about how the rest of the world sucks.

                                                                                          OH, SORRY I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF MY $20/HR MINIMUM WAGE AND FREE HEALTH CARE

                                                                                          [–]cailous008 45ポイント46ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                          For someone pointing a finger at Americans for having a superiority complex, your tone is a bit ironic

                                                                                          [–]dylan_the_wizard 8ポイント9ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                                          Where do you live?

                                                                                          [–]RuthBaderBelieveIt 13ポイント14ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                          According to wikipedia Australia has the highest national minimum wage at USD13.30 which is close to AUD $20

                                                                                          [–]Aurora_Fatalis 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                          Norway doesn't have a formal minimum wage, but the tiered salary system effectively results in a higher minimum wage than anything on that list.

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                                                                                            [–]PokemasterTT 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            Norway/Denmark?

                                                                                            [–]limukala 69ポイント70ポイント  (56子コメント)

                                                                                            $20/HR MINIMUM WAGE AND FREE HEALTH CARE

                                                                                            No country in the world has a minimum wage that high. The US minimum wage isn't as bad as people like to think either. It's the 11th highest in the world when you account for taxes. Countries like Australia may pay you $16/hr, but your take home is well under $10.

                                                                                            [–]Cariocecus 164ポイント165ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                                                            When you then have to pay much more for school, healthcare, daycare, etc. Does it really matter?

                                                                                            [–]mightneverpost 110ポイント111ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                                            Somehow most of my fellow Americans fail to realize that your taxes actually pay for something.

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                                                                                              [–]Suburbanturnip 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                              Its actually a bit more than that due to are award wage system.

                                                                                              A cashier at a super market makes avout aus $22/hr if they are part time or full time, and AUD $26/hr if they are casual. (Casual employees get %25 more per hour).

                                                                                              So while our minimum wage is only about aud$17/hr, very few jobs that are considered minimum wage jobs else where are actually on the minimum wage.

                                                                                              Our tax free threshold is $18,000/year. Our overall tax burden is the same as the USA at ~25%, and we have socialised healthcare. And most low wage employees get more into their super (like a 401k) than they pay in income tax.

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                                                                                                [–]wrugoin 11ポイント12ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                                $8 after taxes

                                                                                                [–]robotzor 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                People who have no hope of escaping it have to evangelize it or we'd all go mad

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                                                                                                  [–]tehmlem 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                  Being chronically ill in America is a choice between being told you're a piece of shit for not working or being told you're a piece of shit for acting like you're sick at work.

                                                                                                  [–]Rhed0x 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                  PDOException: SQLSTATE[08004] [1040] Too many connections in lock_may_be_available() (line 167 of /mnt2/World-Policy-Forum/dist-production/includes/lock.inc).

                                                                                                  We killed it, Reddit

                                                                                                  [–]R3d_Anonymous[S] 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                  http://www.worldpolicycenter.org/media/no-cdn-images/maps/77.png

                                                                                                  Here is the link to the image, since the site is no longer working.

                                                                                                  [–]aceman97 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                  On a federal level, Average American pays 15% tax on income. 15% covers probably 99% of everyone is the US. You don't get much for that 15% tax. We also have a ton of folks that pay nothing because our government partakes in social engineering where we favor certain outcomes: homeownership, have kids, get married. If you play by those rules, you get the best tax breaks. At the state level, we have sales, income, and property taxes which find the bulk of any service that we do get which isn't much: roads, police, hospital (the building not the people that work in it), firefighters (although a lot of them are volunteers). As an anecdotal example, my county in Texas spends 55% of the budget in law enforcement. Most people don't vote here in the US, the ones that do, love the status quo. For example, although Trump was elected, most of the people in Congress are the same people prior to the election. As Trump will soon find out, the Congress has their own agenda and it doesn't necessarily align with his agenda. We have been conned that freedom equals the best way forward. I hate taxes but this is how you pay for the stuff your government provides and we provide very poor services as a whole. The people who complain about the taxes and the government the most are generally the ones that are most dependent on that government for subsistence. It's a very weird reality

                                                                                                  [–]ImKindaBoring 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                  I would be curious to see a map like this showing something like buying power. I know the US tends to be bottom run when it comes to federally required benefits like paid leave etc. But is that made up for by having higher average income (adjusted for cost of living)? Free healthcare is great but is it free if you pay for it with significantly higher taxes? Would be very interested to see some sort of compensation comparison. Not even sure it is possible.

                                                                                                  Unfortunately, these maps are all cherry picked to show the US in as bad a light as possible. While their points are valid the simple fact that it shows an obvious agenda by the OP makes me wonder if we aren't getting the entire story. Also, lot of people suggesting some of the data is a flat out lie.

                                                                                                  [–]forallmyfans2 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                  no free health care, no sick pay, no materinity leave, no mandatory paid holiday for every employee (18 year old mcdonalds worker in the uk? enjoy your 28 days paid holiday son) etc

                                                                                                  the USA is really a joke compared to other developed nations.

                                                                                                  [–]Mezase_Master 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                  You always know it's bad when the United States is colored differently from the rest of the world.

                                                                                                  [–]xtze12 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                  You always know it's bad when the United States is colored same as India.

                                                                                                  [–]_WonderBeard_ 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                  I'm a US citizen currently traveling in India. Been struggling to adjust for the last few days given just how drastically different these two places are (I've previously traveled to Sierra Leone and Nepal; India takes the cake) and this made me lol, "oh we DO have something in common!".

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                                                                                                      [–]notSherrif_realLife 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                      Maybe I'm just missing something here, but I'm from Canada and have paid sick leave starting from the first day. I imagine this means that it is company policy rather than government policy?

                                                                                                      [–]zgarbas 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      This map gets a bit more colourful if you take actual conditions into account. Japan should be red.

                                                                                                      [–]damanamathos 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      Mirror (via Haider264 buried in a thread)

                                                                                                      [–]caravellex 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      I'm in a situation at work where I am very sick but can't go home. I threw up on the airport tarmac loading a plane yesterday, but if I go home because I'm sick I'm marked absent and I'll be fired. I talked to my managers before work and they told me this

                                                                                                      About to start another 12 hour shift, wish me luck

                                                                                                      [–]ld43233 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      Being paid while being home and sick? That sounds like it benefits everyone involved except the employer who will have less direct money. Employers having the most money possible is what matters most right guys? That's what the TV and people with wealth keep telling me so it must be true.

                                                                                                      [–]participant_7 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      Freedom of speech is by far more protected in the United States, property rights, individual > utilitarianism. Free shit doesn't equal freedom in the American lexicon.

                                                                                                      [–]EmperorPeriwinkle 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      USA showing up in whole or part as comparable to the worst of the third world is my data fetish.

                                                                                                      [–]Johnson_N_B 9ポイント10ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                                                      People in these threads always assume that since the U.S. government doesn't mandate whatever benefit these pictures may be pointing out, nobody gets it. Of course, the truth is far from that.

                                                                                                      They're extremely misleading.

                                                                                                      [–]Neyr_7 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                      This is amazing, really. These are basic rights in my country. Paid sick leave, paid time off, ahem paid maternity leave. They are all legally enshrined. The number of days varies between public sector and private sector for sick/vacation but maternity is constant.

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