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[–]1favours_of_the_moon 23ポイント24ポイント  (4子コメント)

I look at civilization generally as having been created to PROTECT women, children and the elderly. At great expense to the great disposable masses of men.

[–]thelandofdreams[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, it is funny when feminists decry patriarchy when patriarchy = civilization. Why don't they just go back and live in mud huts? Oh right, there are bugs and shit out there....

[–]aanarchist 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

pretty sure most of my insecurities as a man had to do with women and how they viewed me. if a guy didn't have to think or worry about whether women found him attractive or whether his woman was loyal or his kids were his and trying to find out based on her behaviors, we'd all be a bunch of super happy dudes playing sports for the fun of it instead of killing each other trying to amass power.

[–]Quisel 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

are you implying that those mud huts were build by women?

[–]Areu4realm8 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

what expense are men paying? civilization gives more help to the weaker. do you want to get your hand held like old people?

[–]2Auvergnat 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

I rarely say this, but this is sidebar material right here. In the sense that it is an overwhelmingly important but very fundamental point that newbies would do well to understand at the earliest stage of their red pill journey, and that it is very well and concisely written. Cheers mate.

[–]thelandofdreams[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

That means a lot. I've enjoyed this community for a long time but have only recently had the courage to start writing stuff directly aimed at the subreddit. It makes me glad to hear it is well-received. Cheers.

[–]Lionlocker 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also been enjoying this community for a while now, and everything you said makes so much sense.

I love your username, bro, I'm trying to start up some lucid dreaming business, and I've done some pretty insane stuff in my dreams.

[–]ShOdinn 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The last paragraph of the body (titled "The Red Pill Solution") especially. Though it needs context for many people, it is almost a mantra that one could repeat until deprogrammed.

[–]Randomshortdude 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Agree with everything you wrote.

Good post.

[–]ManChildProud 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Second that. I appreciate you writing this. Very articulate. It shows that the "Patriarchy" is part of the evolution process and that neither gender is to blame.

[–]exquecher 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

And don't forget. It's not all some big conspiracy where all women are "in on it", but rather, the result of all the conditioning foisted upon civilization by the Globalist Elite and certain powerful (((people)))

[–]thelandofdreams[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I tend to blame feminist but then, that begs the question, who empowers the feminists and makes their philosophy so central in our culture?

[–]Algernoq 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Who owns the media conglomerates that push the blue-pill narrative?
Who provided and still provides funding for feminist protesters and others aimed at toppling the old order and creating an egalitarian "utopia"?
Who is it illegal to criticize?

[–]nonthaki -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That begs the question : If from now on suddenly only more traditional or "feminine" TV shows and propaganda and advertisements etc were soon bought into the public , would the young girls and women and the already damaged sjw libtard lesb women & bitches pick it up ? Is there a chance that many of them would turn into a new leaf ? Or will they be like the hounds who when once they taste blood and they got a taste of freedom of the new-world feminism bullshit and their taste of victory from the countless bending of other men's lives , they can never go back ?

[–]blue_dover 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist

[–]nonthaki 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can that argument be extended to the case of God too?. Unrelated to what you said but I am Just curious .

[–]Areu4realm8 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Society lies to everyone, not only men. stop making posts like this talking how everyone is against men, its so pathetic

[–]thelandofdreams[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, society lies to everyone. We are here to discuss the lies that affect men and to try and educate men to the point where they can see through them. This is pretty much the whole meaning behind "red pill".

[–]dungeonmeisterlfg -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Okay, this is going to be a dissenting opinion, so forgive me for that. This post is just a lot of fluffy conjecture and we really ought to stay fact based.

To offer a controversial opinion of my own... I don't think that the (romanticized) dangers of male existence compare to the state of being effectively subhuman that women have been subjected to. Call it masculine of me to say but I think freedom is more important than security.

That's not to say that the male existence doesn't entail a number of issues which society doesn't care to recognize or respect, but that doesn't give license to dismiss the arguments of inequality as myth.

the men would fight and die to protect the women of the tribe, they would hunt large, dangerous beasts to provide the tribe protein, and they would man the perimeter against the horrors of the outside world. And, in return for all of this protection, the women would defer to the men, support the men, and submit to the men’s leadership of the tribe.

You're spreading misinformation. We don't know how paleolithic societies were structured. Plenty of scholars have suggested the cave-people were matriarchial, but that was likely just excitement in the wake of the Venus of Willendorf. It is nonetheless quite likely that they were egalitarian and if you have evidence to the contrary then feel free to share.

but because we’ve often inhabited a violent and sub-par world

We exaggerate the violence of civilized history because we're fascinated by violence, mostly on account of living lives which are so lacking in violence.

never-crying men standing sentinel at the mouth of our caves

Why never-crying? What happens when his dog dies?

Women have traditionally put up with being controlled because they relied on men for survival, and men have fought, died, built, and created because those activities were necessary to protect, shelter, and insulate the people that they relied on for the continuation of life itself: namely, the women and children.

What are you referring to? The issues of inequality likely arose after the neolithic period, with the advent of agriculture and civilization. What marginalized women was initially the increasing reliance on physical strength for productivity. All this about men fighting and dying and protecting women is, for lack of a more polite word, fluff. It's just something that can sound intuitive in someone's head but doesn't have any basis in information. The "protecting the women and children" argument really doesn't hold up, it refers to really specific occasions that have grown less and less relevant as the centuries went on.

Masculinity is not toxic.

Not in itself, but the qualities that people often arbitrarily assign to masculinity often are. What is masculinity anyways? It's not a thing we can define on a consistent, logical basis beyond the symptoms of high testosterone levels. Now we all as humans want to empower ourselves with confidence and if emulating some cultural definition of masculinity is what does that for you then go for it. Grow a beard, work out, etc. But don't act like it carries some sort of significance for all of us to be operating on.

You are not part of the “rape culture” because you attempt to chat up a pretty woman on the subway. It is not “catcalling” to say hello to a woman on the street.

Strawman. Chatting up a woman on the subway or saying hello to a woman on the street is pretty low-risk, no one actually cares. You may make a woman uncomfortable but no one is going to be calling you a rapist, even if you saw a 13 year old's tumblr post that said otherwise once.

[–]thelandofdreams[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for your comment.

effectively subhuman

This is a huge leap to make. From being protected, taken care of, and controlled to being subhuman? Does that mean that every child is subhuman? Does that mean, if my wife obeys me and supports me that she is "Basically subhuman"? Seems a big reach to me.

arguments of inequality as myth.

I never said they were a myth. I'm saying if you put the inequalities on some kind of Karmic scale, women are doing way better than men in the arrangement.

You're spreading misinformation. We don't know how paleolithic societies were structured.

Are you arguing that women went out and hunted? That they waged war? That they led the tribe through danger? If you are, then that is kind of silly.

If you are more reasonably arguing that women, at some point in the past, had social power. Then I would totally agree. They always have had, in fact. The myth that women had no say in society is one that is flat out wrong. The whole reason we are even talking about feminism is evidence that women have incredible influence and social power in society.

We exaggerate the violence of civilized history because we're fascinated by violence, mostly on account of living lives which are so lacking in violence.

Here is where I have to flat out disagree. Read a history book. 60 million people died violently in one war last century

The world would have been even more violent in the past.

Why never-crying? What happens when his dog dies?

Men don't cry, traditionally, because a man is seen to be worth the amount of protection he can provide. In tribal African villages a man who cries because his dog died would never marry, reproduce, and thus be an evolutionary dead end.

All this about men fighting and dying and protecting women is, for lack of a more polite word, fluff. It's just something that can sound intuitive in someone's head but doesn't have any basis in information.

Every defensive war ever fought has been fought by men protecting their women and children.