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[–]boulderdrop 1ポイント2ポイント  (18子コメント)

Funny how Trumpests are watch new posts to spread their ridiculous messages. I bet they don't actually live in Seattle and bitterly complain about King County's liberal majority. Most be frustrating.

[–]Ouiju -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I live in Seattle and also complain about King County's liberal majority. I guess I'm one of the 21% below.

[–]Jonthrei [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

Cheers, I live in Seattle and think shit would be even worse right now if we had elected Clinton.

I voted for my dog.

[–]nate077 [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

I voted for my dog.

Oh yeah, you're so above it all.

[–]Jonthrei [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

The election was a fucking joke between two utterly abysmal candidates.

I didn't play along and vote for something I knew was wrong only to avoid another wrong. I didn't participate.

Voting for the lesser of two evils, especially when someone else chose those evils for you to pick between, is morally indefensible.

[–]nate077 [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

It's a dilettante's position to pretend that there was any meaningful equivalency between Trump and Clinton.

[–]Jonthrei [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

One of them was an incompetent buffoon, the other was a maliciously Machiavellian warmonger.

Seriously, educate yourself on what Clinton actually did and said. The country dodged a bullet to the heart by taking one in the lung.

[–]nate077 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

educate yourself.

Have you anything specific to say?

[–]Jonthrei [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

She pushed for intervening in Libya. Guess how that went? Directly armed multiple terrorist organizations.

She has no concept of security (as evidenced by her email server), yet goes around talking about covert action in Syria. Such action would result in war with Russia, without a doubt, and her statements made it to the public - the Russians damn well knew what she wanted to do.

She has a great habit of butting in and telling allies what they can and cannot do, without any real respect for their sovereignty. Gee, I wonder why countries like Turkey and the Philippines are giving the US the finger and giving Putin a handshake these days.

Need I go into the duplicity in the DNC and the political maneuvering to ensure the playing field was as tilted as possible?

She, like many politicians these days, is stuck in the "cold war" era mode of thinking. "Us" versus "them". That shit ended decades ago, but their refusal to acknowledge that and continue pushing for global military presence / intervention as well as constantly push Russia back into a corner after specifically promising never to do that in the 90s isn't doing anyone any favors. That style of diplomacy / politics is a fast lane to WW3, we were riding it blaring music, and thank god we finally got an idiot into the white house who is too stupid to keep it going.

[–]nate077 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

She pushed for intervening in Libya. Guess how that went? Directly armed multiple terrorist organizations.

This is not true.

The Libyan intervention is a good example of American cooperation and support for a NATO oriented, French led mission.

It had defined goals, a limited time frame, and at no point did the United States arm any terrorist organizations.

This is probably what you're referring to. However, as the article explains, it was Qatar that provided weapons to Libyan rebels and not the United States. The provision was not even made at the United States' behest.

The only connection to the United States is a negative one; we did not actively dissuade Qatar from taking their chosen course. However, it's hardly our job to regulate the behavior of every country in the world, wouldn't you say?

As for the overall justice of the Libyan intervention, it's an action which I support. At the time France was lobbying for our aid because Qaddafi's armies were closing in on Benghazi, and his sons were on television literally promising that rivers of blood would flow as a consequence of rebellion.

Their stated goal was to exterminate an entire city, and I support fighting to prevent that.

She has no concept of security (as evidenced by her email server)

No, not evidenced at all. No doubt you believe that she was traipsing around willy-nilly with confidential information, but that is untrue. James Comey himself acknowledged that she had directed her subordinates to only send her "non-paper" information on that account. Non-paper means reports which have been edited down to exclude the confidential material.

There's a lot to get into about the nuances in how confidential information is treated, but one of the things I find very telling, is that the State department server that Clinton would otherwise have used was actually hacked whereas her private server was not according to the FBI.

That means it was more secure, does it not?

yet goes around talking about covert action in Syria. Such action would result in war with Russia, without a doubt.

I am awed by your amazing predictive powers that allows you to so confidently exclaim that covert action in Syria would necessarily provoke war with Russia.

Actually, I'm not, because Americans are already engaged in covert action in Syria and war has not resulted.

But surely, Trump's plan to deploy 30,000 troops to Syria and 'take the oil' would have been well received by Assad.

She has a great habit of butting in and telling allies what they can and cannot do, ... gee, I wonder why countries like Turkey and the Philippines are giving the US the finger.

Telling Erdogan to knock it off when he keeps imprisoning journalists for no cause, lest he lose American support, is an action that I think is quite admirable.

The same for telling Duterte that we find his death-squads to be unacceptable.

Why should American's sacrifice our values at the altar of appeasing would be dictators?

Need I go into the duplicity in the DNC and the political maneuvering to ensure the playing field was as tilted as possible?

You probably should, since it didn't exist. A four million vote margin is not conjured from thin air. No doubt you'll cite some emails where DNC staffers spoke impolitely about Bernie Sanders' campaign as proof of some grand conspiracy.

Ignored, of course, will be the fact that those emails were only sent after March, when Sanders would have had to win more than 70% of the vote in every remaining state to even have a chance at the nomination.

There's also the fact that despite Reddit's impression, Hillary Clinton did better than Bernie Sanders in open primaries. Bernie Sanders only over-performed in closed-caucuses.

Counting only caucuses, Bernie Sanders won 11 of the 16 contests, 63 percent of the votes, and 64 percent of the delegates.

All told those caucuses had slightly more than 1 million participants.

On the other hand, Clinton won 24 of the 34 statewide primaries where more than 24 million votes were cast, of which she won 58% and received 58% of the allotted delegates.

A classic example is the Washington State situation, where there is both an open primary and a closed caucus, but only the caucus is binding.

Sanders won the closed caucus with something like 70% of the delegates and 70% of the 230,000 votes cast, but the far more participatory primary saw Hillary Clinton come away with 54% of the million votes cast.

In this instance, the system was rigged against her, wouldn't you say?

as well as constantly push Russia back into a corner

Russia's position is of their own design. In the last two decades they have invaded three seperate nations and taken land for themselves. Moldavia lost Transnistria, Georgia lost South Ossetia, and the Ukraine lost the Crimea.

Russian adventurism is a threat to European stability, and that continent has already seen the price of appeasement so why would you again advocate it?

[–]Jonthrei [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This is not true. The Libyan intervention is a good example of American cooperation and support for a NATO oriented, French led mission.

Boy have I got some reading for you, and some more for when you're done.

No, not evidenced at all. No doubt you believe that she was traipsing around willy-nilly with confidential information, but that is untrue.

She blabbed to a bunch of bankers on the campaign trail. Do you really think this is a woman who can keep her mouth shut?

Actually, I'm not, because Americans are already engaged in covert action in Syria

On a small scale (ie training), and of no consequence (right now the rebels are going through what is likely a crushing defeat in Aleppo). She wanted direct action. And she told Goldman fucking Sachs.

Why should American's sacrifice our values at the altar of appeasing would be dictators?

I want you to know that nearly 90% of the Phillipines population supports Duterte's drug war. And this is the fucking problem. She, and obviously you too, presume there is a "right" way to do things. You think your concept of what is right can be imposed on others. Even when almost every single person in that other country thinks you're full of shit and don't understand their situation. THEY made their choice about what to do in THEIR country. Your opinion of their decision holds as much weight as a wet fart. Do everyone else a favor and keep it in.

You probably should, since it didn't exist. A four million vote margin is not conjured from thin air.

They are quite easily conjured from thin air when you literally tell the media what to let people hear.

Russia's position is of their own design.

No, that claim is flat out fantasy. Systematically stealing and invading Russia's allies is not Russia creating a situation themselves.

Russian adventurism is a threat to European stability

So is NATO turning everyone into political puppets, but no one talks about that.

[–]kaihau [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

You seriously look like a pleb right now. Anyone actually defending Hillary does. Get over it. She was HORRIBLE.

[–]nate077 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Is this a meme?

[–]kaihau [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Absolutely not. If you're defending that horrible witch, you're part of the problem and the reason neonationalism is on the rise worldwide.

[–]BryAallDay [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Boy, this sub seemed a lot more neutral before the r/Seattle refugees arrived. Now it's just personal attacks on anybody who doesn't go along with the hive mind.

[–]Yangoose [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Does anyone else find it hilarious that pretty much EVERY comment here is being downvoted?