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What's your thought on Mourinho guys? (self.reddevils)

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I honestly want him to succeed really bad at Utd but he looks like a shadow of himself. Hasn't yet figured out the best eleven. Been really sloppy with substitutions. He used to be a specialist in defending the lead. Yet everytime we now take a lead, we somehow blow it away. Even more, his flaring temper and indiscipline... Should we be more patient or is it not getting any better and look for a change?

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[–]AbhijakGGMU 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Patience is required that's for sure ... we look a much better team than last season that's a given but boy!! these kind of games just saps all the fucking energy off you

[–]wakey87433Mata 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure we do look much better. We attack with a bit more intent but we also look more fragile defensively. It's kind of 1 step forward 2 steps back. I'm just not sure with the same players we would have been any worse off with LVG than Jose and Jose was supposed to be a massive upgrade

[–]gucciloafer 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Can't be too rash - at the end of the day it's his first season. But it's not been promising at all and severely underwhelming. At the beginning of the season we were being touted as favourites to win the league, but he's shown nothing to suggest he's capable of taking us there. His stats since the beginning of his final season with Chelsea make for bleak reading and it doesn't seem to look like that's changing any time soon.

But at the end of the day, we can't go sacking him after 6 months in charge. There needs to be a significant upturn in performances and form but I honestly don't see it happening.

[–]YoungJumpRvP 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's Pep's first season too. Same with Conte. They're doing much better and in a new league for them

[–]gucciloafer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What I meant by that is that we can't go sacking him after 6 months. It's not like we're in a relegation fight and his presence seemed to be a significant factor in a lot of the players we signed this summer (Ibra, Pogba etc). We're already in choppy waters and we don't want to rock the boat any more

[–]DailyBlindOur God and Savior Daley -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Two championship winning squads though. Big difference.

[–]ouguy2017Pogba 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mou's been subpar. I think there's a battered manager syndrome going on for United fans. We just got away from LVG who played boring football and didn't get the results in the end. Now we have Mou, and the football looks better, but we're still not getting results. Ultimately though, the football still doesn't look that great. It's better than LVG football, but it's still not top 4 type football. He's benched players like Shaw, Mkhi, Mata, Martial, and others and cites that they aren't performing like they should, yet he continues to play Fellaini who has never performed good. His subs have been terrible and not tactical. He's parking the bus when United get a goal when they should continue to put the foot on the gas pedal.

TL;DR: Mou's been just as poor as some of the player's performances. He has to improve.

[–]SonnyisKing 14ポイント15ポイント  (12子コメント)

He sets the team up well but his subs are absolutely cowardly and costing us points.

A Fergie team would absolutely go on to win that game at 1-1 by making a positive change and going for the jugular. You will never catch Ferguson defend a 1-1 or a 1-0 vs midtable shite like Everton. Ever.

[–]DANNYWELBECK12345 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

The amount of 1-0's we won under Fergie was ridiculous lol, he definitely did make defensive subs. He'd always sacrifice another striker for a midfielder. Just simple fact that our squad is not good enough.

[–]Kiddcohen39Bailly 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sorry? Our squad is absolutely good enough to win at Goodison.

[–]BHButcherKing Eric 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Our squad is not good enough? What on earth...it's the best squad we've had in a good 5-6 years

[–]Rakitit -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't talk sense mate; the moronic yanks are up now.

[–]ouguy2017Pogba 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

So United isn't better than Everton? United's current team structure is a mid table team? Really? Why the fuck did we spend 200m over the summer then if we are a mid table team?

[–]SonnyisKing -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you on the WUM?

We hardly ever won loads of games 1-0 under Fergie. The one season we did that, we were locked in a deadly title race with Liverpool and had the best defence in world football(So we were good at holding leads). There is a difference in holding leads when you are top of the table and another when you are fucking midtable and need points lol

He'd always sacrifice another striker for a midfielder.

Oh fuck off, now I know you are 100% a WUM. He usually put 4 strikers on the pitch and went all out. We were 2-0 down to Tottenham in 2009 and we put Berbatov, Tevez, Ronaldo and Rooney all on the pitch and we battered them.

[–]Count__Duckula 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes you would. Especially in his last few years. The problem is placing your trust in players like fucking fellaini. Clumsy as a one legged juggler. Compare him to someone like makelele or matic. He isn't fit to lick their boots.

[–]SonnyisKing -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Please give me an example of Ferguson sitting back cowardly against a midtable team with 5 mins to go?

Hernandez was the go to guy for Fergie not a fucking useless Ent.

[–]Count__Duckula 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

2010 sunderland which ended a goalless draw, 2011 against tottenham same. In fact 2011 we went 6 months with just 3 away victories.

[–]SonnyisKing -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh nice, 2 examples.... I can literally list over 20 from when we put on strikers or wingers and we went on to win the game. Villa 2012, Chelsea 2012, Chelsea 2011, Spurs 2003, Spurs 2009, Wolves 2010, Newcastle 2012, Man City 2011, Norwich 2012, Blackburn 2012

You get the point.

In fact 2011 we went 6 months with just 3 away victories.

Same reason we blitzed everyone at Old Trafford and were unbeaten there. We also won the title comfortably.

My point is if Fergie was in 6th place, he would not bring on Fellaini in that situation, not in a million years.

[–]Count__Duckula 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You asked for an 'example'. Singular. I provided two so I was more than generous. I don't think fellaini was the right sub either so we agree on that though.

[–]UploadMe 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Midtable shite are a lot better than they were a few years ago.

[–]shawker6Shaw 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Doesn't even look like he's enjoying himself anymore. Where's his personality gone? He looks absolutely miserable.

[–]SonnyisKing 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah he looks really depressed and tired all the time. He's been that way ever since he left Real Madrid for some reason.

[–]LCATejas -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

For some reason?

He is, IMO, clinically depressed. I called it when he was at Chelsea, he has mental issues (always has) and I can recognise it cos' I have OCD too.

[–]frankowen18 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Underperforming massively with the squad he has, worrying signs of controversy, cowardly tactics and substitutions, seeming lack of charisma. Got the team playing better than we've seen since Fergie but it doesn't matter if you don't get the results. Not time to think about sacking him yet but he needs to stop repeating the same fucking mistakes and learn. If not he will go long before the 3 years.

[–]petterpinjataOLE 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He has zero excuses not to produce any goals. He got every big signing that he wanted this summer. He got Pogba, the best midfielder in Seria A season 2015-2016. He got Henrikh Mkhitaryan, the best player in Bundesliga 2015- 2016. Booth players capable of producing a lot of possibilities for the other big fucking signing Zlatan, who scored 38 goal for PSG last year. There is on such thing as bad luck. The game plan is not working and the plan to defend a 1 – 0 lead is embarrassing for a team that spend £ 157 m in 2016 and £ 124 m in 2015. Fuck me

[–]wakey87433Mata 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

When most of this sub was raving about him even before we appointed him and claiming he would 'change' I had my doubts about him. Anyone who paid attention to his style and didn't just focus on things like goals scored could see his style doesn't really change. It's largely not been a problem as he doesn't stick around a league long enough to really be found out (And the depth of the leagues gave him some extra time) but we saw in his 2nd Chelsea stint that teams towards the end of the title winning season and then last season were becoming wise to it. They weren't falling into the trap to overcommit so Chelsea weren't getting the clear cut chances and they were also worked out ways to get past the parked bus. Jose with us is trying the same thing and as such he is predictable in his setup. He needs to adapt but he doesn't seem to know how or be willing to and that's going to keep coming back to bite us

[–]cr2152Pogba 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just so frustrated by him, atm. His substitutions have made no sense, and the logic to bring in holding midfielders is suspect given that we're thereby inviting more pressure onto our defense, which we can all admit is not our strong suit as a team. We're not his old Chelsea teams that were stout defensively. He needs to get it through his head that we need more goals over the course of play before we can shut up shop. And if we only have a one-goal lead in the closing stages, we need to continue to keep possession with attack-minded players so that we don't invite pressure. Should have brought Mata on today instead of Fellaini.

[–]DenDevil 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

just as i expected from a manager who got sacked to avoid relegation

[–]DailyBlindOur God and Savior Daley 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No qualms about how we're playing but I'll be critical of his squads. He should've come in and been absolutely ruthless. Gutted the shite and kept the ones that can make a difference. By not doing so he's given himself a headache and a problem by having to rotate the players. Would've been a clear sign to the players staying that performing well is the only way they'll survive.

[–]KakeruAizawa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He needs to start being merciless towards players who fail him on a consistent basis. If I were him, I would outright ban Fellaini out of the squad like he did for Schweinsteiger earlier.

[–]WrongSockPair 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeeeep lets just sack a manager after a season and hire a new one and then sack him as well and then hire a new one.

[–]Reflex2011 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Needs to do a lot better.

[–]JakeHawker1211 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

fucking shite.

[–]Takley -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

One of the worst performing managers in the league.

Top four is as many points away from us as 15th is, we are closer to last place than to 1st, this is with all the money he spent, the players we got, and we are over a third way through the season now.

If we need to spend hundreds of millions for worse results and slightly better football on average.... whats he good for?

[–]ReflectingGodMata -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

We've been playing well recently. Before this match people were saying this is the best football since Ferguson and most everyone was quite contempt with the fact that Mourinho was the manager and accepted that results will come because we've been fairly unlucky - individual errors have cost us and I don't think you can place the blame on Mourinho for that.

Today we were poor. Rojo should have been sent off and frankly a draw or even a loss would be a fair result. But I don't understand the notion that Mou is at fault for not killing the game. We're away at Goodison (Everton still unbeaten at home) with a lead that was pretty much gifted to us with 15 minutes to go. We'd been poor all game going forward and had created only one or two real chances. What did fans expect to change? The momentum shifted in favor of the trailing home team that was just as desperate for points as we were. We had 3 points in the bag as long as we could defend it which we'd done a pretty good job at doing. And bollocks to anyone who says Fergie or any other manager wouldn't sit back and defend a league, clearly those fans weren't around in Fergie's time. Eventually a moment of madness cost us. Fellaini being brought on made sense. Mkhitaryan wasn't offering anything going forward and wasn't doing much defensively, we were getting beat in the air left right and centre and Fellaini would hopefully fix that (Mata certainly wouldn't).

I think many fans are upset because they thought we had a realistic chance at top 4 going into this game. Top 4 was lost ages ago. It just doesn't mathamatically add up. We played poor today and Mou deserves critisism but individual errors and players failing to turn up today must also be held accountable and sitting back and defending after not winning in 4 or 5 matches was an absolute must. What most fans are calling for worked out brilliantly for Liverpool earlier, except Liverpool were looking good going forward and playing a much worse side.

[–]lollipopkan -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everyone in this sub is hating his subs right now. Can you stop asking the obvious and gtfo?

[–]tim1901De Gea -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If we don't get top four with the money we've spent he should be fired immediately.