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backpackwayneCalifornia Boy[M] が 投稿

Talk among yourself. Been a rough week and we need each other. Remember this is a setback..., not the end.

Thanks guys and gals. You are awesome. :D

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[–]wbrocks67 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

and for all the people that wanted "change", I hope they are happy with voting in the same damn GOP establishment that has obstructed change for years.

[–]KimJong_BillI Shillz 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't know about you guys, but I am legitimately depressed from this. I'm already on meds and the symptoms went away. I don't know what more I can do now 😰

[–]sir_miraculousCome On, Man 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are there even any moderate republicans left in the house and senate?

[–]BlerghSaysMeWe Will Rise 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

We gotta start looking at the bright side folks, at least now no one will be able to say any longer that Hillary Clinton is establishment anymore. Everyone knows there's nothing worse than being part of the established political powers and now she no longer is. So she can now be judged on the merit of her ideas instead of the connections to other politically successful people she has. But for now Donald Trump and his "basket of inexplicables" as Bill Maher called it is the new establishment.

Yes, Trump and his team of crooks and crackpots (Christie, Gingrich, Carson, Palin) is now the established political power of the most powerful nation on earth. I can't believe this is really happening but yea thanks Bernsters, hope it was worth it. You preserved your moral purity. You really stuck it to "the man" huh.

No more evil "banksters" now right? Ohh... wait Dodd Frank will get repealed instead of fixing loopholes in it.. oh yea. But no more neocon warmonger KILLARY, right? Ohhhh yea Secretary of State Newt Gingrich thinks the US is already at war with Iran and is losing it. Oh and that deal preventing them from even having any kind of nuclear energy? Yeaa ripped up. Well, a nuclear-armed theocracy won't be that bad, right? Or how about two nuclear-armed theocracies, cause with creationists Mike Pence, Sarah Palin and Ben Carson in the government, you're gonna get it.

So with that, I offer you this.

[–]RognikI'm not giving up, and neither should you 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't blame "Bernsters". The vast majority of us voted for her (as I did). And although some voted 3rd party or didnt vote, almost none of us voted for Trump. Trolls on the_dipshit don't count.

You might want to start by blaming the demographics that actually voted for Trump. Or you might want to skip the blame game altogether, because it isn't very helpful. We need to work together and prepare for 2018 and 2020.

[–]wbrocks67 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, Russia won. They wanted to elect Trump and they won. The DNC hacks, the Wikileaks hacks. They got what they wanted, and no one seems to care. Also, #ThanksJamesComey

[–]wbrocks67 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

What does everyone think HRC will do from here? Do you think she'd run again? Personally I don't (she'd be 73 by 2020, this will be her THIRD time, i don't know if any person could handle that).

I just hope his isn't the last we see of her. If she wants to go on vacation for the rest of her life, I completely get it. At the same time though, we need a fighter like her in our government.

[–]karthLove & Kindness 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

She has lived in an amazing life. If it is rest that she wants I will support her. If it is to keep fighting, I welcome her by my side. If it is to make lots of money by making, what turned out to be innocuous, speeches I hope she negotiates for a higher rate than she got last time. :-)

[–]arizonadesertsForeign Policy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I want her to make as much Goldman speech $$$ as possible lol. She deserves to just relax I think

[–]dogryan100Australia 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Al Gore 2.0, maybe.

[–]ademnusI Voted for Hillary 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

I guess you missed the newsflash. Trump and the GOP intend to railroad her into prison with a show trial. I think from here she should move to somewhere pretty and laugh at trump's America. Or perhaps cry.

[–]msleen35I Voted for Hillary 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good luck with that she's not going to prison trust me. She didn't do nothing wrong. She was exonerated so how far do they think they're going to get.

[–]ademnusI Voted for Hillary 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

She doesnt have to have done anything wrong for their corrupt kangaroo court to convict her.

[–]wbrocks67 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

How do we reconcile this?

A woman who was the most qualified to handle the job, spent her life in public service, and was poised and presidential lost this election to an orange monster with no experience who has horrified millions of people and crucified nearly every demographic in America.

Where do we go from here? In 8 years the level and standard of what a president should be has done a complete 180. There is no standard of grace for a presidential candidate anymore. You can basically say or do anything, include mocking disabled people and admit to SEXUAL ASSAULT, and we will still vote for you in. I honestly don't even know what to say anymore.

I saw a picture of past presidents with Trump at the end and it's just... surreal. How we let this happen I'm not sure I will ever get over.

[–]IfFoundReturn2Tumblr 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

She also out spent Trump by double. It's probably cause sexism.

[–]karthLove & Kindness 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

For a moment I did think to lose hope for America. But I am happy to say that it was a passing moment. You can take comfort in the fact that the popular vote went for Hillary Clinton. You can take comfort in the fact that most college educated individuals win for Hillary Clinton. You can take comfort in the fact that most young voters went for Hillary Clinton. You can take comfort in the fact that more people are being college-educated all the time, and the younger generation will displace the older one, in time.

But above all this, take comfort in this. We are still America. That has always come with it's good and it's bad. But no matter how dark the next four years becomes, have no doubt about several things. I will stand by you. There are literally millions of Americans who will stand by you. America has lived through such darkness before, and we have found our way into the light, as we will do so again.

[–]PwrbttmngI Voted for Hillary 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

The KKK is throwing a victory rally but Trump is just going to denounce people protesting him

[–]ademnusI Voted for Hillary 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah about that. When people bitch about the protests, remind them that if Trump were a real leader, he'd unite everyone instead of causing unrest. You don't see Putin's people rioting in the streets. He's a much better leader than Trump.

Then watch them go mental.

[–]msleen35I Voted for Hillary 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know right. And when is he going to denounce them. We're waiting.

[–]42thecloserI Voted for Hillary 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wake me up from this nightmare.

[–]wbrocks67 11ポイント12ポイント  (8子コメント)

The fact that barely 100,000 votes decided this really may hurt the most. The margins in PA, WI and MI were SO CLOSE. She was THISCLOSE to getting it. Ugh.

[–]ademnusI Voted for Hillary 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

close enough for a recount?

[–]karthLove & Kindness 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, the Gap is too large to be overcome by a recount. But never stop fighting for what you believe, and never stop educating yourself.

[–]wbrocks67 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

maybe Michigan. I think the last time I saw it was only like 20,000 votes separating it. but in PA it's like 68,000 and that's not close enough I don't think

[–]TheGamecock -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Democratic swing voters just didn't want to vote for her so they either didn't come out to vote or just assumed she would win, that's all there is to it. She wasn't a strong candidate. Hopefully blue will have something better to offer in 4 years.

[–]wbrocks67 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well she was a strong candidate. She won more votes.

I also blame the 3-5% in many of these states that voted 3rd party. Even if even 0.5% decided to actually vote for a real person to win, she could've won.

And don't give me that "strong candidate" BS. Trump might have had the bravado but logically he was the worst candidate to be presented in our history. People voted for personality and feeling over facts and policy. That's what it came down to and it's a disturbing indictment of where we are as a society.

[–]AnchorofHopeI Voted for Hillary 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't blame 3rd party voters. Almost half of registered voters didn't vote.

[–]histbookDon't Boo, Vote! 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Comey

[–]wbrocks67 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Watching the meeting yesterday is so hard. Trump does not want to be president. He wanted to "WIN" but not actually win the job.

Crushing even moreso because you know this is what HRC always dreamed of.

Not to mention she won the popular vote.

[–]karthLove & Kindness 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

George W bush took many vacations. I have no doubt that Donald Trump will be happy to emulate that.

[–]ademnusI Voted for Hillary 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

he's be a basket case in a year. watch out america, when he gets in over his head he flips out.

[–]ayogeorgeUnited Kingdom 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

The most worrying state is Pennsylvania. Her Philadelphia margins were very healthy and she even did better than 2012 in Allegheny County (Pittsburgh). Turnout wasn't the issue there.

[–]RplfkLove is Love 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

My little town saw more Republican votes since 2000 and he won 2/3. Rural rat vs country mouse syndrome

[–]wbrocks67 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

From PA here -- I figured she would win by county (Montgomery) but I was shocked at how big she did -- by 20 POINTS! Her margin was huge here. I think in PA there was solid democratic turnout in areas where it usually is, but the rural areas had people come out of the woodwork more. Plus obviously a few Dems deflecting to Trump.

[–]hokoron 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hold Up by Beyoncé is Hillary singing about America voting for Drumpf. Actually, I think Hillary probably just feels the entirety of Lemonade.

[–]tsu91Republicans for Hillary 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I remember when the 538 map first came out it said something like Trump had a bigger chance of winning without the popular vote than with it.

That was really interesting to me and at the time it was reassuring, because electoral college/popular vote splits seemed so rare.

[–]42thecloserI Voted for Hillary 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had forgotten that.

[–]wi_voterIt Takes A Village 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nice to see this didn't have to get archived over night.

[–]smoccaOregon 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

Someone compared the pain of this loss to mourning a death and I think that's kind of true. I keep having these moments where I'm hit with unbearable thoughts and a wave of grief rushes over me.

We elected the first African-American president in 2008 and the very next person we made president was the birther conspiracy theorist who most loudly demanded to see his papers. Seeing him yesterday next to Obama and shaking Obama's hand and knowing that pictures are being taken and that's a part of American history now...

It makes me so angry.

[–]42thecloserI Voted for Hillary 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We elected the first African-American president in 2008 and the very next person we made president was the birther conspiracy theorist who most loudly demanded to see his papers.

I think Aldous Huxley said maybe our earth is another planet's hell. I'm thinking he's right.

[–]placeboasisI Voted for Hillary 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The grief is overwhelming. It was gut-wrenching to hear President Obama speak the words "President-elect Trump." And I'm the angriest I've been in a very long time. I never get angry. But this is so wrong on so many levels, it's hard for me to even comprehend it all.

[–]HolySee'08 Hillary supporter 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree completely. I've never experienced anything like this. People openly crying on television and pod casts. It's rough and it hits me in moments when I don't see it coming. I am not rooting against Trump, but with the things already being reported about his plans...

[–]tripunctataThe Revolution Continues 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think I mourn the loss of the values in our nation. That's what it seems like. That "economic anxiety" won over working together to make sure everyone thrives. It's not just "my candidate lost boo hoo" - it's that she stood for something larger than herself (justice, feminism, togetherness, community, hard work, ambition) and he was on the other end of that spectrum (division, discord, hate, fear) and Americans let the latter win. They let it in, they chose it.

So I get it. It's not a simple election between 2 candidates. It was a choice between 2 ways to live.

[–]Kego_Fenty18 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

It totally feels like death.

I really never felt this ......now can you imagine how she feels like when I am like this

[–]42thecloserI Voted for Hillary 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

God yes. Part of the terrible pain I'm feeling (we're all feeling) is thinking of what she must be going through.

[–]paddyaGermany 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know, four days ago, I feared that this article might be true. Now it gives me some hope.

[–]Danie2009#ImWithHer 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hope youre all doing okay! Its difficult, and heartbreaking but I still believe that in the end love trumps hate! Spread a little kindness to muslims and other people that are scared, if you can!

[–]dogryan100Australia 22ポイント23ポイント  (7子コメント)

Not my quote, but...

Trumpers wanted to do away with political correctness, so lets tell it like it is: every person who voted for Trump is a stack of garbage in human form who should have been drowned at birth. If this offends you, good. Its only words! Welcome to the America you voted for, you sentient cumrags.

[–]ademnusI Voted for Hillary 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Come on now, that's unfair. Trump won, show him the same respect we show any president. Call him a tyrant terrorist muslim Kenyan who faked his birth certificate and founded ISIS. Show some respect.

[–]Jessica_AriadneYas Queen! 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

This was my night on Facebook. (zoom in once and it'll be readable). I marked everyone's names out; I'm pink, angry person is red.

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    [–]Why_Do_We_Fall_BruceI felt the BERN but now ima cHILL 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

    So...it's been two days and I am still so fucking terrified of what the GOP is going to do to us

    [–]Jessica_AriadneYas Queen! 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I just spent hours arguing with someone who thinks Trump is going to be sunshine and roses and who called me a professional victim for being afraid for my future. I linked it in my most recent top level comment.

    [–]ademnusI Voted for Hillary 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You know, don't even play their bullshit. Trump spent a solid year making a satan of himself. He has, with his own mouth, said enough to justify blocking his every move. Don't let them keep you on your heels like they did in this election. Cut through the deflections, lies and rhetoric, never apologize for yourself or your candidates and focus squarely on denouncing that piece of shit. Drill it into minds. Repeat phrases like "Deadly Trump" and "Greedy Trump" and always label him a racist and satan or at least put the words near his face in photos. Like they did to Hillary. Show them that when they say you should be respectful to him. And if they say the difference is he's president and she isn't just agree to show him the same respect shown Obama and call him a muslim terrorist kenyan who founded ISIS.

    Fight on, brothers and sisters. No more going high. It's time to fight fire with fire. They wanted us to be less PC. Let's give it to them.

    [–]LyndonLaDouchePhonebank Princess 👑🏅 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Put in my forms today to run for city alderman. I'm collecting the signatures tomorrow. Election is in February, incumbent Democrat ran unopposed and won with 318 votes. I could literally win this fucker with a minibus and just me knocking doors.

    [–]dogryan100Australia 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thank you!! I wish there was much more I could do from this side of the globe to help out!

    Please keep us updated!!!

    [–]BubsyJenkins 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Good luck!

    [–]XeroInfinityI felt the BERN but now ima cHILL 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I know some people mourn longer than others, I think I'm done personally. I'm hungry and energized. What are some ways I can get involved besides local politics, donating to Planned Parenthood, ACLU, etc ?

    [–]ademnusI Voted for Hillary 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Anyone here actually like really work with the campaign? Like in DC?

    [–]FreisDREAMer 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Stay strong, all of you. The fight has just begun.

    [–]Sliiiiime 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Thinking about the future of the Democratic Party, I've realized that the centrism of Bill Clinton simply doesn't have the same electoral power as it once did(despite winning 6/7 votes) due to the increased polarization of American voters. Despite putting forth one of the most qualified and experienced candidates, who could run on a record of 8 years of success, benefit from a hugely popular president, against the worst presidential nominee in memory, there was too little energy or inspiration to produce an electoral victory. This is shocking, horrifying, and devastating, and shows that we must embolden our campaigning and rhetoric in support of the working class, women, minorities, and all those historically targeted by the GOP. Although moderation in actual governing remains beneficial in some areas, we must push further to the left.

    [–]ceruliaI'm not giving up, and neither should you 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Her campaign was liberal AF. Her support for abortion rights might have been what pushed all those white women to Trump. Her support for LGBT rights might have been what pushed all the Evangelicals to Trump.

    [–]arizonadesertsForeign Policy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is so true. She has one of the most liberal positions on abortion, immigration etc.

    [–]kanagileSupporter of the MOST QUALIFIED Presidential candidate ever 25ポイント26ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Hillary Clinton did not run a centrist campaign. She ran an out and out progressive campaign. Appealing to white working class while paying lip service to people of color was what Bill Clinton did. Centering the marginalized is what Hillary did. It is ironic that people are now saying she should have returned to the original Clinton strategy.

    [–]lightrongerI'm not giving up, and neither should you 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Is anyone else scared as shit about the fact that in days since the election, Hillary and Obama had to come out and say things about Trump being "encouraging" and supporting him. But Trump has done zilch about uniting the country, which is HIS job, and has only doubled down on protestors.

    He's not going to pivot, he never has. If a bully hits you 99 days and then promised he won't tomorrow, is that compromise? Come his presidency, when the Republicans hits us with 100 bills that takes away our rights, is not passing 1 of them considered a compromise? Where do we draw the line?

    [–]ademnusI Voted for Hillary 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    His idea of a pivot is "I never respected your president but that's because he's corrupt, now worship me."

    [–]fluffykerfuffle1It Takes A Village 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    what is now bugging me, amongst many things, is that i just heard about one voter who was caught trying to vote more than once... the person got a big fine and some jail time... i cannot find the article on it... (maybe someone else can?) but why are not the voter suppression cases being stopped and prosecuted (closing of voting places so there are fewer places to vote and therefore longer lines)?

    [–]Kego_Fenty18 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

    How did she loose (weeps some more) !

    I am still so shocked!

    [–]Vaginavoter 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    LOL

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/trump-lawyers-hell-be-less-busy-after-inauguration.html

    [–]MDAWSON513I Voted for Hillary 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Comedy Central is replaying one of the Democratic primary debate episodes from last October right now.

    Goddamn I would love to go back to then. At least only my personal life felt hopeless and not the entire world.

    It kills to me see Kate McKinnon's Hillary right now.

    [–]LiquidSnapeBlack Lives Matter 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

    remember how the Democratic debates were about policy?

    [–]MDAWSON513I Voted for Hillary 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I just remember thinking no matter what, one of them would end up being president and either way we'd be well off no matter what. :(

    I remember having hope. :(

    [–]McJigginsArizona 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It's laughable to hear Ryan claim that Trump has a mandate when his combined margin of victory between the rustbelt states (MI, PA, WI), the states that guaranteed him a victory, was only something like 100,000. And of course Clinton won the popular vote and is projected to win it by at least 1 million once all votes are finally counted.

    Obama won a mandate in 2008 and 2012: sweeping electoral vote margins, true majorities of the popular vote, most votes of any candidate and incumbent in history--but Republicans refused to acknowledge it. And now they're claiming Trump won the mandate, so Democrats better suck it up? lol.

    Democrats have a right to vigorously filibuster and obstruct anything the GOP or Trump tries to do. As our friend Mitch McConnell said after Obama won the presidency, making Donald Trump a one-term president should be our number one priority.

    [–]KimJong_BillI Shillz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hearing Mitch McConnnel say that in 2012 was one of the turning points in my life for me to turn into the liberal I am today. Now when I hear that we need to make Trump a 1 term president, I feel emblazoned!

    [–][deleted] 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

    What are good subreddits to subscribe to?

    Apparently there's a hillary meltdown subreddit which is... just aggravating.

    [–]BubsyJenkins 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    /r/democrats and /r/politicaldiscussion are still pretty good, level-headed discussions. There's also /r/enoughillhate, another sorta Hillary fan support group but you gotta request access

    [–]ErelionNew Zealand 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    In an argument with someone, I said she's never going to appoint a Treasury Secretary, and. And. Aaah why do stupid tiny things make me so sad?

    [–]wrongkanjiOregon 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Amber from The Late Show with Seth Meyers talking to Hillary supporters. She's awesome.

    [–]QuietClintonianClinton Minion 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Random aside: in Les Miserables, why do the innkeepers always have working-class English accents? Isn't this supposed to take place in France? It's happened in every rendition I've seen or heard.

    [–]ErelionNew Zealand 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Translation convention. They wouldn't have foreign accents while speaking French.

    [–]QuietClintonianClinton Minion 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I guess it just drives me crazy that even American actors do it. I've seen it twice live, and it happened both times.

    [–]ErelionNew Zealand 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Speaking French with an accent of France is equivalent to speaking English with an accent from Britain. Using American accents would imply they had, idk, Algerian or Quebecois accents in French.

    [–]katrina_piersonOut of Many, One 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    weird coincidence, I JUST put I Dreamed a Dream on on youtube

    also that tends to happen in most English language media that takes place in Europe

    [–]flowersanddiamondsI ♥ Hillary 15ポイント16ポイント  (17子コメント)

    The media is still obsessed with white rural voters. Don't they see the people on the streets in the cities? Over 90% of black women voted for Hillary Clinton, were are all the think pieces and reports about all the reason why so many black women backed HRC?

    [–]NDubbaYaBad Hombre 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

    You have to take yourself out of the funk, put that in a box, and look at this from the outside. I think if you do that, you'll find a legit interesting story. Is this a demographic with staying power? Will pollsters adjust to try and get a better gauge on how they feel? To me, the most interesting question is if the Democrats can make a legit attempt to re-connect with this group.

    If we can do that, I think we'll be in for good times 2018 and 2020.

    [–]ademnusI Voted for Hillary 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

    how do we reconnect with groups that abandoned us to the GOP because they felt we were corrupt?

    [–]Danie2009#ImWithHer 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Corruption was never the issue. Its about the economic marginalization of entire communities in the rust belt states. I recommend reading books like "a memoir of a family and culture in crisis" by J D Vance, if you want to understand those lower working class whites that voted for trump..

    [–]ademnusI Voted for Hillary 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    How were they marginalized by a man who repaired the economy the GOP destroyed?

    [–]Danie2009#ImWithHer 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I didnt say they were marginalized by Obama...

    [–]NDubbaYaBad Hombre 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Corruption wasn't the only issue here. If you look at exit polling, some of them felt like they got a raw deal from the Obama administration in these 4 years. According to ABC, 36% of those living in rural areas felt worse off financially now than they did in 2012. Look at that in comparison to suburbs, 28%, and people living in urban areas, 20%. It's a big difference. If you look at other exit polls, you'll see a similar trend too. Washington Post has a graphic detailing exit polling from various demographics. You'll see something similar to ABC's poll. Those who felt that they were worse off in these 4 years under Obama tended to move towards Trump especially those in rural areas.

    These are people who have a big disconnect with urban areas and feel like they're being left out of the future. I don't think corruption was the primary catalyst. I can't link it, because fuck I forgot where I saw it and I don't blame anyone for thinking I'm talking out my ass here, but I remember seeing exiting polling showing that the character of the candidate didn't do much to sway voters. Emails and pussy grabbing didn't do it for people. I think this was primarily a change election and rural voters went with someone they thought could bring about change for them. That person was Trump. I think Democrats greatly underestimated how these people felt. Like everyone else, I didn't think it was to this degree.

    Knowing that I think that the Democrats can go back to the drawing board and make up plans to better include this demographic. If they do it, I think they can find success here.

    [–]42thecloserI Voted for Hillary 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well part of the problem is ignorance, because the GOP has no intention of making their lives better, and these people bought into the lies that Republicans spewed. I think we need to keep that in mind too.

    [–]tripunctataThe Revolution Continues 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Exactly this. I am trying so fucking hard to think reasonably about this so that we can strategize and win the future elections and I think that if I was a single white mom in rural Kentucky with 3 or 4 kids and we were impoverished and I had no job prospects, I would probably (and I am gritting my teeth as I write this) not care as much about who else it was going to hurt as long as I voted in a way that could help me take care of my children and myself. I might even, deep down inside, feel a twinge of regret that I was hurting someone else, but maybe looking at your kid's hungry faces makes you bury that regret. I have no fucking clue. And it's not like he who must not be named had any plans, but that's not what they wanted. They wanted someone to just promise security and he did.

    It is not right that they ignored all of his sexual assault and his racism but I think a future candidate needs to focus on their economic concerns somehow and not at all cater to any racist bullshit they might harbor. Then, they'd have no excuses and we wouldn't either.

    [–]imaseacowHillionaire 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Because they weren't a strong enough demographic to carry her to victory in the right places. And white rural voters unfortunately were strong enough this cycle to lift Trump past 270. So that is the story.

    [–]McJigginsArizona 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

    So what you're saying is the electoral college allowed for the votes of white rural people to matter more than the votes of black women.

    ... 8)

    [–]imaseacowHillionaire 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yes, assuming Clinton holds on to the popular vote lead.

    [–]flowersanddiamondsI ♥ Hillary 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    She's projected to win the popular vote by around 2.5 million votes due to her over performing on the West coast.

    [–]Vaginavoter 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    And white rural voters unfortunately wee strong enough this cycle to lift Trump past 270. So that is the story.

    No one thought he would win before Tuesday and there were millions of stories like this all year.

    [–]imaseacowHillionaire 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't disagree with that. But I guess in a sense those narratives have been validated because they proved relevant to the result of the election in a way that black women voting for Hillary did not.

    [–]foxh8erNorth Carolina 7ポイント8ポイント  (8子コメント)

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/paul-ryan-says-medicare-privatization-is-on.html

    [–]42thecloserI Voted for Hillary 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Ryan is evil. No exaggeration. One of the worst outcomes of this election is that this sociopath has way too much power.

    [–]LiquidSnapeBlack Lives Matter 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    happy old people?

    [–]katrina_piersonOut of Many, One 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    get your government off my medicare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    regards, tea partier circa 2010

    [–]Vaginavoter 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Oh my god they are going to ruin the country. This will be a South American style capitalist dictatorship. Im scared. Who can stop them???

    [–]smoccaOregon 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

    We do by crucifying congress on the medicare cross. Good fucking luck to them if they try to touch medicare.

    [–]Vaginavoter 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's true. Old people vote.

    [–]LiquidSnapeBlack Lives Matter 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

    The dog caught the car, now what

    [–]_Doctor_Teeth_Washington 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Idk ayn Rand utopia maybe

    [–]poindextervCalifornia 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Can't believe this even has to be done.

    http://nypost.com/2016/11/09/white-house-open-to-a-clinton-pardon/

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      [–]bgal81I'm not giving up, and neither should you 12ポイント13ポイント  (13子コメント)

      Many people just dislike her

      More people dislike him. Your point?

      [–]Ani10 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

      Yes I understand that but I can also look passed my party and see that there was an issue that people had with her.

      The media made it sound Hillary had already won it and people just didn't seem to Have that huge urge to go vote.

      Not trying to start an argument was just basing my opinion.

      [–]smoccaOregon 11ポイント12ポイント  (10子コメント)

      When people say "there was just something about her" what most of us hear is "she doesn't have a penis." I think if you have more of a point to make it's better to be more specific because this isn't the most sympathetic place to that kind of thing especially right now.

      [–]stanthemanchan -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Establishment candidate in an anti-establishment year, for one.

      [–]ErelionNew Zealand 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I don't think being trans would've improved her popularity.

      [–]smoccaOregon 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I actually appreciated this comment fwiw. :)

      [–]Ani10 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

      But it almost never has to do with gender.

      I just saw this result happening even though I voted for Hillary. The fandom Trump created was just much bigger than Hillarys and that won him the election. He tapped into anger and frustration that people had.

      [–]AlexanderLaskaRenegade Jews for Hillary 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Well Hillary got more votes than he did, so it's certainly hard to make the case that his "fandom" was bigger than hers.

      [–]42thecloserI Voted for Hillary 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Thank you.

      [–]fluffykerfuffle1It Takes A Village 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      oh

      they thought it was a reality show?!

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      [–]trichomania93 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Re: getting electors to break for Clinton.

      Its a bad idea.

      But I think supporting it is a great idea. Its how trump and the Republicans just won: obstruction, saying your opponent isn't illegitimate, constitutional fuckery. That shit clearly works and Dems should do it, starting right now.

      [–]foxh8erNorth Carolina 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Agree on methods, disagree completely on the goal. The election has happened. We need to resist the far-right congress as much as humanly possible.

      [–]MDAWSON513I Voted for Hillary 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Fuck that. If we're going to have the Electoral College, then let's fucking use it. If there's a reason she can get more raw votes and still lose the election in spite of it, then there's a reason we have faithless electors and it's for this very exact purpose, so let's fucking use them.

      That's where I'm at. If the EC is there for a reason, then let's goddamn use it.

      [–]smoccaOregon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Totally agreed.

      [–]Kego_Fenty18 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

      America didnt deserve her |still crying|

      One thing that is making me feel at peace is the fact that she will never be abused again....The media truly abused her like no other.

      I truly want her to completely heal (it is gonna take time, probably a year) , write a book , do lots of humanitarian work and enjoy her life with her family.

      I am still so sad , she deserved this so so so much!

      [–]42thecloserI Voted for Hillary 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It did often occur to me that Republicans what do everything they could to make her presidency hell. Even allowing for her ability to work across the aisle, and the possibility that she could indeed win them over, you still have the whole alt-right swathe of society who'd be gunning for her every day, and plenty in the media gleefully crucifying in her at every turn. In that sense, she's well out of it.

      [–]Ein-Schattenmann#ImWithHer 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

      All these people again remembering the electoral college and protesting it, and im sitting over here in hipstertown now remembering being against it the entire time

      Including having the unpopular opinion that if the majority of the nation voted for Trump but the EC voted for hillary, i'd still be calling for its repeal. Even if it works in my favor, it's still an unfair system and I can't accept it.

      [–]Jessica_AriadneYas Queen! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      A lot of people are against the EC but like anything that only comes up once every four years, there are limited windows to focus public attention on it. It's one reason it will never be abolished, esp if the electoral count starts going back with the popular vote for a few elections.

      [–]McJigginsArizona 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I don't see a republican winning the popular vote but losing the EC because large urban population centers overwhelmingly favor Democrats

      [–]Ein-Schattenmann#ImWithHer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      We say this but just the right turnout could make it happen

      [–]GottaLetItBern 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

      BernieBro turned Clinton supporter chiming in.

      Just emailed the NELP, National Partnership for Women and Families, and our state AFL_CIO chapter for some guidance in getting paid maternity leave, paid sick leave, and a minimum wage increase on our (admittedly conservative) county's ballot next year. Seeing the levels of support for these policies among conservative voters has me feeling incredibly confident that it can be done.

      Went to the local Democratic Party's meeting to try to get more involved at a local level, but they moved this month's meeting a week ahead for GOTV. No biggie, I'm meeting with some folks from there in the next week or so to start scheming.

      I've got a Republican president-elect, who knows what with the Supreme Court, a Republican Senate, a Republican House, a Republican State Legislature, a Republican State House, a Republican County Commission, and a Republican City Council.

      I don't have a choice. I have to fight for my neighbors now. I have to fight for my coworkers now. I have to fight for my family now. I have to fight for my community now.

      And I've still got a lot of fight left in me.

      [–]tripunctataThe Revolution Continues 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      awesome. don't let that fire burn out. We can't be moping around like some weaklings. The Republicans certainly wouldn't. They would be foaming at the mouth, instigating, getting change, if we had won. We need to do the same. We gotta be the change we want to see.

      [–]fluffykerfuffle1It Takes A Village 3ポイント4ポイント  (15子コメント)

      there seems to be some disagreement on how right it is to suggest perhaps the election process was not conducted honestly... but i maintain that i do not believe that there are enough people in america to vote for this person to be president of the united states... and certainly not half of all who voted... and certainly not 60 million people.

      in other words, no way did that many people vote for him.

      [–]RplfkLove is Love 0ポイント1ポイント  (14子コメント)

      That many probably did. It's the people who couldn't vote because of voting laws that are the problem.

      [–]fluffykerfuffle1It Takes A Village 0ポイント1ポイント  (13子コメント)

      so they want us to believe that 60 million people in america think like trump... will applaud his actions.. will agree with or look the other way when civil rights are abused?

      [–]RplfkLove is Love -1ポイント0ポイント  (12子コメント)

      I have no idea what they want but they wanted his view of America more than Hillary's. I think understanding that all the many perspectives are valid needs to be the focus of dialogue. They seem to think we are equally off and misguided.

      [–]fluffykerfuffle1It Takes A Village 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

      well at least we are not throwing protestors to the ground and kicking them.

      at least we are not advocating sexual assault and ridiculing people with disabilities...

      at least we do not threaten and possibly implement our political opponents with prison.

      go ahead and undertand their prespectives and how they got that way... i myself am steering way clear of anyone who voted for trump.

      [–]RplfkLove is Love 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

      There with you.the problem is I live in a small town and there is life after this election. They are good people. They serve n the fire department. They've come to my rescue. They accepted me and my gf. They've dealt with an influx of city second homers who have more than them and treat them like they are hicks. And because there is so little diversity they don't have a lot of experience with diversity and being old school they hate change. In order to get along we don't talk politics.

      But I hate them right now. I hate them for pretending to accept me only to turn around and go along with an abusive bigot conman all the while trashing Hillary. If they act out I will not back down. I have Christmas with Trump in laws and my gf has given me permission to let it rip and she will back me. Friends, family, strangers I can afford to lose. Neighbors...not so easily.

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