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Stop Giving Athene Attention (self.LivestreamFail)

DemiTF2 が 投稿

Hey buddos,

Just wanted to make a quick post about the Athene cult drama, and why this should be the last one.

What Athene is doing is disgusting, terrible, and completely absurd, but you have to remember that it's actually working. Athene's cult is bad, in fact all cults are bad, and if you want to protect your fellow community members, the best thing you can do is to STOP talking about it. The more you talk about it, in any light (good or bad), the more attention it gets, and therefore the more possible converts he gets. A lot of users here are young, impressionable, or both, and if you care about more than yourself you'll do your best to make sure they don't see this Athene BS. Even if it's a terrible troll who said nasty things to you, someone you disagree with or hate, it's still a person and I wouldn't wish a cult membership (voluntarily or not) on anyone.

The more attention you give Athene and his cult, the more members (victims) it will gain. There is no such thing as bad publicity, especially when it comes to things like Cults.

If a mod reads this, I'd like to ask them to ban anything related to Athene out of concern for the safety of users. Of course, this subreddit is very anti-ban/censorship of any form and I don't expect it to happen, but I'd at least like to ask the users of this subreddit to not talk about Athene and his cult.

It may be fun to call him crazy or poke fun at him, but remember there are REAL people falling victim to REAL harm here.

TL;DR: Stop Talking about Athene and his cult. Stop giving it attention.

Thank you.

EDIT: Just woke up. To the commenters saying that if we talk about how bad it is, we'll keep people from converting, think about that. The type of people who would actually be vulnerable to a cult are the same people who have already demonstrated they don't care about any form of rationality or (ironically) logic.

Also, yes even if we do stop talking about it he will still get converts, but if we do keep giving him attention he'll get more. I personally care about these people even if it doesn't affect me because I give a shit about my fellow human.

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[–]TheBlindLeader 81ポイント82ポイント  (37子コメント)

Anybody wanna bring me up to date? Last I heard of him from years ago was some charity stuff, what cult is he leading?^

[–]Captain_Blunderbuss 157ポイント158ポイント  (10子コメント)

He rents an old peoples home and turned it into a "gaming house" but its not a gaming house, its a huge complex with many rooms for people that subscribes to his "logic nation" thing which means you give up all of your human feelings and only care about logic, its really fucking wierd and it is litterally a cult, people move to the gaming house and just live there and follow all his rules

[–]shane727 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

Uhhhh I saw a video of an application thing a while back to go live there but it seemed more like a job application thing. What the fuck happened to athene?

[–]Captain_Blunderbuss 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

yup its really odd, his personality is completely different he behaves like a robot that speaks without emotion

[–]shane727 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

I remember him years ago. He was just a goofy over the top video game troll. This is bizarre.

[–]Bazrum 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's what happens when you get surrounded by people who want to be like you, be part of your popularity and success. Echo chamber in action really

[–]TheMxPenguin 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Woah, i thought OP was being dramatic calling a twitch community a cult. That is a text book cult. Thats nuts.

[–]literallydontcaree 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

lmao that's kinda funny even though it's actually dangerous and sad and all.

[–]Bahaals 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

so for 5 dollars I can live for free under his rules?

And what does it mean "replacing feelings with logic" ? Like... How do I replace happiness with logic for instance?

[–]0vl223 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You just do what "LOGIC" dictates in every moment. After all you feel totally worthless and want "LOGIC" in your life.

How do I replace happiness with logic for instance?

Just act perfectly instead of living for the short term happiness. For example when Athene tells you to become a bald headed minion and sit in the background of his stream, you don't think about would that be what a broken retarded person does but accept what "LOGIC" and his messiah Athene says.

I wrote a summary of his talk with Febi a while ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/5aje7k/febiven_on_athenes_stream_deep_talk_about_his/d9hemis/

Just don't bother with the video. "LOGIC" enabled me to do a perfect summary that doesn't exclude the smallest detail of their conversation because it makes you instantly at least a few billion times more intelligent. Which means that if you had a IQ of 1-2 you now have an IQ of 60. Anything higher and Athene can't risk your life because your brain might explode from the "LOGIC".

[–]mortalomena -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

ahhahah oh my god Athene master troll level 9000.

[–]Ojrsh 53ポイント54ポイント  (5子コメント)

This bullshit --> https://youtu.be/drcseH-7hpw

For those who still don't understand the dangerosity of cults, here.

The Order of the Solar Temple cult wanted to get a nuclear bomb ffs.

Heaven's Gate Documentary: https://youtu.be/Lev17JUYQZc

The Order of the Solar Temple: https://youtu.be/w2KrCctV8V0

Jonestown Cult Mass Suicide: https://youtu.be/diwoZmeCoAs

San Francisco Witch Killers Cult Documentary: https://youtu.be/1Kl_aTZ0GJE

[–]ekul46 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also this on The Children of God Cult: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIVNZfcRoC0

[–]chagen24 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy Hell is a good one too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f2BG43JW0o

[–]MidasPL 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

TIL "cult" is synonymous for "sect" in English.

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    [–]JusMyst 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    All cults are sects but not all sects are cults.

    [–]Herr_Gamer 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's the wet dream of r/iamverysmart

    [–]esivoTwitch stole my Kappas 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

    He is leading the #LogicNation cult #|_ /\

    Join now and you guarantee drown in pussy within minutes (his words not mine, he actually says it on a vid).

    [–]twlefty 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

    most like "drown amongst pussies"

    [–]RandomAcount82 77ポイント78ポイント  (14子コメント)

    Athene is a retarded asshole and attracts other retarded assholes to his stream. It's not a cult but really a place where idiots can find comfort in being surrounded by other idiots.

    In fact by typing this out I wasted more time on him than I should ever have.

    [–]InfiniteZr0 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He's having a midlife crisis and instead of buying a Corvette, he's desperately trying to find a way to be remembered after he dies.

    [–]c0ld-- 60ポイント61ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Hey there. I'm from /r/all. Nice job not talking about this and not spreading awareness.

    [–]hotpeppersauce 146ポイント147ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Now i'm even MORE interested

    [–]heyNoWorries 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yea im sure it will just peter out into nothingness but im sure there will be more drama before it gets there.

    [–]Triffels 32ポイント33ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It really bothered me how at some point during a vod he mentions how if youre a virgin and once you click you'll be able to instantly get pussy and how of course it will be easy because at the Athene Asylum eventually they'll only be recruiting women so there will be plenty of people to fuck. That gives me such a creepy vibe.

    [–]Thriven 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's called sex slavery.

    [–]Captain_Blunderbuss 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I honestly would not be surprised if there are females living in that building who have no money and pay their way by doing sexual favours for the guys who live there, it's a sure fire way to get loyal followers

    [–]Laypack 57ポイント58ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Or... Twitch can just ban this idiot once and for all.

    [–]Tuub4 38ポイント39ポイント  (5子コメント)

    But that would mean Twitch wants all dem kidz in Africa to die.

    [–]Anchovie123 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Yeah this is unlikely. Twitch actually has a deal setup with Athene where all the sub money goes directly to Save The Children.

    I dont have a conformation source from twitch or STC but he wouldn't be able to state so without being sued or arrested for charity fraud or Twitch would have banned him long ago for stating it.

    [–]KilrBe3 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

    So he's using his Charity donations/subs as levrage to promote his cult and idea's, all while Twitch turns a blind eye just because he giving money to kids?

    Not sure who's worse, Athene or Twitch..

    Nah, Both. Athene for sinking that low (really did enjoy him during WOTLK era), and Twitch for not being strong enough to shut it down. Even if all went to charity, got to be a line somewhere.

    [–]Rocker95 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The deal was made a long time ago before Athene started going nuts. Twitch might not be able to do anything about it depending on how the contract was written.

    [–]literallydontcaree 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Amazon's lawyers vs Athene's lawyers lol

    There's something they can do. No matter what.

    [–]Ranting_Demon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We all know twitch. They don't care about things unless there's something happening which could potentially put them into hot water.

    The most likely thing is that after making that agreement back then, they have completely forgotten about it. The only reason for them to change it would either be Athene himself asking to change it or if enough people poked them and asked them to rethink their decision.

    [–]ErrorFindingID 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think it's the other way around regarding this sort of topic. The more you bring it up with the truth behind the cult, the more people will be aware and cautious of such things. If everybody speaks a common negative thing about a topic, that will become the "truth". The people that are joining his group had no idea what was going on.

    [–]Seldric 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I feel the opposite actually. If we have more posts about the dumb things that he says people would recognize him as being crazy and not some prophet that has seen the truth or whatever.

    Anyone who actually gets caught up with his shit has to be someone unfamiliar with him and the shit he's stirred up in the past. The more posts about him would mean people know more about the dumb shit that he does. I wouldn't see how more of his fails could actually convert somebody.

    [–]Swineflew1Anarchist, Doesn't like rules 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Let's all stick our heads in the sand, lest we see bad things!

    [–]MrArgo 53ポイント54ポイント  (16子コメント)

    I don't know what is worse

    You retards giving athene this much credit, or athene in general.

    No wonder he has a "cult"

    [–]DemiTF2[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (15子コメント)

    "Credit" really doesn't matter, nor does it matter how much of a joke you think the cult is. He already has real people indoctrinated into this shit, we should do our best to prevent more victims, and the best way to do that is let it fade into obscurity.

    [–]Phil_Hannigan 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

    still, exposure isn't only bad. I mean, you just kinda gave him plenty.
    Look at his talk with Destiny, I don't think that kind of exposure is net positive for him.
    People will always be gullible to fall for stupid scams, even if it is as retarded as athenes, at least enough healthy minded people know about this scam and can criticize it. Just ignoring athene has downsides too (besides, shit like this never works), he will still get idiots to join his cult (only less) but we block out any negativity because non-idiots just ignore it.
    I don't think athene will go far with this cult, he isn't a good talker. But hey, you never know. Just think about kids born into cults, how would they ever break out if there is no criticism surrounding it?

    [–]sanemaniac 12ポイント13ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Look at his talk with Destiny, I don't think that kind of exposure is net positive for him.

    You're wrong. The thing about cults is that they don't need to popular or considered sane by the majority. They just need the few impressionable people who will join them as a last ditch effort to improve their lives. Scientology is constantly ridiculed and considered a complete joke by the majority, and yet they are one of the most powerful cults in the world. Any publicity to a cult is good publicity, even if only 5 out of 10,000 people latch onto it.

    [–]Phil_Hannigan 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

    I understand what you mean, but how would you stop it? Just don't talk about it? That's not something you can control - besides it is contradictory like this post.
    Edit: I mean, at least you should give people the platform, other than Athenes channels, to talk about this. That way people won't hear only one side of the story and can form a well-grounded opinion. If they still wanna join his cult, who am I to stop them?

    [–]sanemaniac 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

    You obviously can't stop anyone, but we don't have to give them publicity either. You can choose what you want to do with the OP's request.

    [–]DemiTF2[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Exactly my point. Thank you.

    [–]Phil_Hannigan -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I agree. I just think we shouldn't censor people talking about Athene (what OP is asking for), especially if it is funny dumb shit posted here. Also his request is giving Athene more exposure than any other thread before, just look at the confused people in this thread who didn't knew anything about his new cult.
    But I share the notion that we shouldn't give him unneeded attention, like this thread does imo.

    [–]sanemaniac 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Censorship is different from choosing not to upvote/discuss/post threads regarding Athene's cult. No one here has the power to censor anything. This is nothing more than an appeal or request not to give Athene a platform. If this thread accomplishes its goal then it will have mitigated far more damage than it caused by briefly bringing up the subject.

    [–]Phil_Hannigan -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    the mods have to power to censor in this subreddit and that's what OP was asking for. And yes, if after this request no one would ever talk about Athene, it would have been worth it. But you have to be really naive to think that will work.

    [–]sanemaniac 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    the mods have to power to censor in this subreddit and that's what OP was asking for.

    He said he didn't expect mods to ban it, but at the very least we could stop upvoting it/giving it attention. I agree with that. Not so much with mods banning it.

    [–]Desther 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I didn't know about the athene drama until this post and now I have the urge to join a cult. Thanks op.

    [–]shaggy1265 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He already has real people indoctrinated into this shit, we should do our best to prevent more victims, and the best way to do that is let it fade into obscurity.

    It won't fade into obscurity though. Especially if he already has indoctrinated members. It will keep growing as he continues to recruit people.

    The best way to prevent more victims is to make sure any potential victims know it's a cult the very first time they hear about it. If they start off knowing it's a cult they will dismiss it before they even have a chance to watch the propaganda.

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        [–]Moose-OfTheNorth[🍰] 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Funny story (not to prove you wrong or anything, just thought you may find it interesting,) a good friend of mine really was born into a cult. It was out in the Mid-West and from what I remember him telling me about it they were ultra-religious and brainwashing. When he was old enough he just got out of there. It's interesting taking to him because he was so sheltered he has almost no info about pop-culture, like I was showing him blockbuster movies for the first time and stuff.

        [–]capriking 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Could somebody formally explain as to what's going on with him? All I really know about him is that he was around when swifty was relevant, then showed his password or something on a diablo stream, then he created some donation program and then got called for viewbotting on his non-stop stream thingy. I'd like to know what the story is behind this "cult" thing, maybe if someone has a video that can accurately explain the situation? From what I can tell he's just a washed up wow streamer now.

        [–]Ezben 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

        He started a cult thing where you need to listen to athenes preaching to "click" and become enlightend or something. But it fits the usual cult behavior like "you can only reach salvation through the leader of the cult"

        [–]capriking 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Yeah watched a quick vid on it, he seems to have clearly lost it. He was going on about being able to "get pussy" if you click with some escort looking woman behind him, was going to ask how much he's paying her but to be honest, he is probably more than likely drugging her against her will if i'm being honest.

        [–]Lorivas 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Okay that's pretty ignorant of you to say. Statements like these just give people that are on Athenes side fuel and more reason to believe that people who isn't supporting him is wrong.

        Attractive women can also join movements and support radical ideas. There is no reason to belive that she is a prostitute or drugged just because she is pretty.

        [–]capriking 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Except she was being verbally objectified right in front of herself, he was literally saying that if you joined his cult you would be allowed to have sex with her and all she did was giggle about it. Any sane person would think that that is completely unethical. I realise the comment on how she looks was unnecessary but it honestly wouldn't surprise me if Athene was drugging her.

        [–]Dalgrimar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Like drug her 24/7 to keep her there or? She also streams and she allways acts like that. Not saying it is normal or sane how she acts.

        [–]Event82HorizonTwitch stole my Kappas 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I support the rule of banning on sight every single post about Athene

        [–]RakeNI 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        People will find their way to it either way. Not talking about the problems around it just means people aren't talking bad about it.

        [–]CantStumpTheVince 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Wrong. Sorry but you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, OP. Ignoring him or not talking about him is NOT the way to solve the problem.

        Imagine tomorrow there was a new law passed saying you can't talk about Scientology anymore.

        Would make it pretty fucking hard to STOP SCIENTOLOGY.

        [–]OnePonders 167ポイント168ポイント  (25子コメント)

        Why do people on reddit always take things so seriously who cares

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          [–]therealmaxipadd 32ポイント33ポイント  (6子コメント)

          I'M NOT SAD

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            [–]Anipsy 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

            for only $4.99 a month you can enter Athene's weekly hug raffle!

            All hugs delivered via pm, no actual touching occurs.

            [–]Arvendilin 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Only 3 a day and only when you are PMSing tho iirc

            [–]lemonsmcbob 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Athene would never talk to us this way!

            [–]tehgnz 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yeah, but this is an internet thing and if you look at the testimonials, the age average is like 17. People haven't found out who they are yet and probably feel like they have a problem of some kind (like comfort, anger, loneliness). It gives a rather quick option of solving that "problem" by making yourself believe that once you've clicked everything basically solves itself.

            THe point is that "clicking" is a rather spiritual experience that basically anyone can project for themselves, based on how badly they need it. The positive experience is then translated into a generally positive feeling of belonging to a group of chosen ones and a new kind of "being in the world". Differentiating yourselves from others is always something that creates identity (which a lot of them are looking for).

            The point though is that this is a classic example of a fleing mechanism of an accelerated society, and therefore (taking into account that the age average is quite low) will be a very short experience.

            As long as you sit in your room you can make yourself believe that you can erase emotion to a certain extent. But wait until people fall in love as an example. They will quickly realize that the "clicking" is pretty much only maintainable in an environment where Athene lives.

            Plus the fact that Athenes clicking cult is worse but in some points very similar to Transhumanism. As far as I understood it, Athenes final goal is the symbiotic existence of people that clicked, all over the world. Which would mean that we pretty much become robots and aren't in the world as sense creating beings anymore for it is not needed. We just exist because we exist.

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              [–]Ponzini 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I think it is hilarious. If these people are so gullible that they will leave their jobs/school to move into Athene's cult they need to be removed from the gene pool. He actually thinks he will be more influential than anyone else in history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmhghw2iQzY

              Can't wait to see where this goes.

              [–]forgotpassagainn 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

              First I've heard of it tbh. Wild stuff.

              [–]dw131 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I actually disagree. You're assuming that any kind of attention (good or bad) will positively benefit his platform (something athene has also said himself), however in this case he doesn't have a charity platform to fall back on to make his platform look legitimate. If people stay silent about it he will continue to recruit people in the shadows (like he has been doing for the past few months) without his vulnerable supports seeing any sort of alternative. What people have been doing recently is they have been deconstructing the logic of his platform and getting many of his followers to snap out of the idea that athene is always right about everything. This time the attention is different. This time most of his core followers are turning against him because he has entirely lost all credibility as a public figure. The last times many of his core followers still sided with him because he supported charity (including me), but this time it will be different. Attention doesn't always work out for people, look at h3h3's videos for example, do you think the hugh mungus girl benefited from that attention?

              [–]tehgnz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              There is a lot of different opinions on whether raising attention is a good or a bad thing when it comes to cults etc. I agree though that not talking about it, is a bad thing, especially concerning the average age of most of the people that have yet joined the cult (you can check that out in one of the linked pages in his videos).

              The actual reason why I believe it is a good thing to give him attention though is that he truly has lost his credibility through it. He shifted from entertainment for good to brainwashing for "good". With the hugh mungus girl though it is different. I believe that the attention actually helped her getting a bigger platform. BEcause the "core value" of what she does is the profound belief in radical feminism. She does not lose, but rather strengthen people who share this value. She didn't shift from being a radical feminist to a vegan food promoter. People that followed and supported her, will do it even more as they have been mentally strenghtened in their logic in what they believe.

              [–]UtilityShitter 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Its my belief the more attention we give Athene the quicker he will be recognized by authorities.

              What he is doing is legitimate cult creation. A legal authority needs to become aware of it and break it up before people get hurt.

              [–]AxcelMorris 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

              The same goes for Gross Gore. The less we talk about him, the better.

              [–]Kiwical 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Athene is the Corey Feldman of twitch.

              [–]Magnum256 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I think banning discussion is worse than people making posts like this highlighting the problems with it.

              First of all this is just one of literally thousands of subreddits, you can ban it on here but they can just post about it on hundreds of other subs anyway. Furthermore Reddit isn't the only platform, there are so many other channels that Athene and his followers can target.

              Shutting down discussion on one subreddit isn't going to hurt him, whereas throwing up posts about how terrible his movement is will likely do more to at least open some peoples eyes to the problem. Putting your fingers in your ears so you can't hear about the bad shit going on around you has never been a viable long-term solution to anything in the history of mankind.

              [–]Phantom-Phreak 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              We are in our current situation because we all gave a troll too much attention. Let's stop doing that.

              [–]tailsdarcy 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

              You don't end cults by simply not talking about them. Same with all ideas. Ignoring and not criticizing them just lets them hugbox echo chamber. Making Athenes cult a widely known joke is way more beneficial then not talking about it.

              [–]DemiTF2[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

              You don't end cults by simply not talking about them.

              I'm not saying we'll end it, I'm saying that the less it's talked about, the slower it grows/less converts he gets.

              [–]Ranting_Demon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              But that approach also means that the people who get interested in his cult can find way less information about how insane it is what he is saying (and doing) and how flawed his "logic" is.

              By not talking about him at all you are making it harder for people who are about to fall for his scheme to come across different points of view which expose Athena's little cult for what it really is. All this does is giving Athene the necessary shade to spread out without anyone noticing or doing something about it. It's much harder for cults like this to grow if people keep them right out in the light and every time a potential new member looks up this cult, they automatically get lots of sources exposing it.

              [–]jackindisguise 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              If you just leave them to find out about it on their own, they might get the impression what Athene is doing is actually rational and logical and makes sense.

              If we talk about it here and emphasize that what Athene is doing is dangerous and harmful, not to mention nonsensical, I think it's a lot healthier. Some people will obviously find his message compelling, and there's literally nothing you can do about that. Scientology has been ridiculed and attacked by every single avenue of discussion, yet there are still Scientologists out there -- some of them very wealthy. There is no getting rid of the appeal of cults.

              All we can do is try to educate people and show them that these cults are dangerous and irrational.

              So I disagree.

              [–]CHTCB 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

              im ootl can someone explain what athene did?

              [–]Garros 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Well the short version is that he emigrated from Belgium to Germany to start a cult based on "clicking" based on his warped view on "logic" (which for him is codeword for "follow whatever I say and do blindly"). He's renting out someplace (an old homeless center or something) and is using Twitch donations to back this whole thing.

              [–]BrotherCaptainHydrox 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Glad you posted this OP, for it needed to be said. What I'm wondering though, is if there's a way to actually compile a list of evidence in order to present a reasonable case to Twitch, hopefully providing grounds for a permanent ban of Athene for operating and promoting a cult on their platform. As you, I am genuinely scared for my fellow man, but I really think the only viable course of action is to take decisive measures and eliminate the threat entirely.. (at least from twitch, which is his preferred platform for engaging with potential cult-members).

              [–]DemiTF2[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Honestly I'm not sure, and it's not like any cult has any specific evidence saying "We're a cult". I'm friends with a former twitch staff member and I could see if he can contact his previous co-workers and alert them to this issue, but I'm not sure anything will come of it. Also, it wouldn't be hard for him to set up shop on another site, so other streaming sites would need to be aware as well.

              [–]Neucer 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Why don't we all just report his channel? He clearly violates the twitch rules. Not only he doesn't show any game content, but something like this shouldn't be on twitch at all. If we all report him, maybe he will end up banned.

              [–]DemiTF2[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Honestly it's worth a try, but I feel like submitting support tickets may be a better way. Also, if Athene does get banned from Twitch he'll just set up shop on another site, so others would have to be warned as well. If we could get Twitch to issue some type of letter-of-warning to other sites about Athene, it may prevent him from finding a new home easily.

              [–]Highlurker 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

              Nah, he's breathing life into this sub. I'm not sure if you've seen his youtube videos but his view to sub ratio is wack. Also this post is giving Athene attention top kek

              [–]devoting_my_time 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

              his view to sub ratio is wack.

              I would assume that many people were subscribers of his old WoW content (Best paladin in the world) and haven't really watched any of his recent content. Atleast I found out that I was still subscribed to him despite not having heard anything about him since his 4demkidz period.

              [–]Highlurker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I was subbed probably on another account, he has like 700k subscribers(I didnt actually check just guessing) and his videos get like, 15k views after 24 hours of being online. He has like 50-70k actual active subs but he thinks he is some huge youtube persona still because of his inflated youtube channel.

              [–]DemiTF2[S] 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Also this post is giving Athene attention

              and why this should be the last one.

              Yes, I realize the irony, however if nobody makes a "final" post to end it, it will not end.

              [–]Phil_Hannigan 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

              If you really think this post will stop anything you are almost as naive as the clickers in Athenes cult

              [–]nissepik 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

              x-posting from the other thread.

              • - - warning - - - adderall + ignorance + boredom with no better way to spend my time

              Here are a few songs you may choose to listen to while you read. It goes without saying that everything related to these topics are subject to interpretation.

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              For anyone that is a bit confused -:- Trying to get people to think less with emotions and more with logic isn't a bad thing. The part that makes it brainwashing is the way he goes about it. If he merely went along the lines of "stop thinking so much with emotions and be logical you fucking plebes" and act as a nonbiased character that gives neutral advice to the general peoples that desperately seek guidance, I believe it wouldn't be like a cult and could potentially be quite beneficial to those people while others would simply write it off.

              What makes it like a cult is how he's using bribery actually getting them to be logical, he's tricking them into thinking that HE/ATHENE has a mindset that they should look up to and follow, thus he's effectively manipulating people into following him. Using the word "Logic" is similar to saying "God". It's him attempting to get people to follow HIS logic under the false pretense that he's a neutral third party that merely advocates what he says and following the "light / click" and damning what he doesn't agree with.

              Same thing with basically any religion or cult, he's deceiving people into thinking that he knows better and is seeking to help "misguided" peoples when in reality there has to be some ulterior motives wether it be control, wealth, power, fame, or anything else that could benefit him. Hopefully he realises the negative impact he can potentially have on people even considering how ridiculous everything he says is. No matter how ridiculous he or anyone else sounds there will always be someone that will look up to him for legitimate advice even when he uses iron clad irony and sarcasm delievered in a deadpan monotonous voice.

              If you've read this far.

              All of this is likely just for publicity and whatnot but the possibility remains that he may end up leading a cult, but only time will tell. Just hope for the sake of those brain-addled persons that may look up to him that athene has no malicious motives and won't fuck with people for the lulz.

              TLDR I highly suggest reading my whole post but heres a tldr.

              As it stands there's no reason to believe it's anything more than athene's common trolling on a topic that seems to be a sore spot for many people combined with ignorance of not understanding the potential weight of his actions.

              [–]Herr_Gamer 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Your post really isn't that long.

              [–]nissepik 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              kek

              [–]Herr_Gamer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              It takes longer to write it than it does to read it. That's what makes it seem so long when riding. Your text can be read through within a few minutes at the very most.

              [–]Djae 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

              Is there a tl;dr about this thing?
              I don't know why is everyone talking about Athene lately.

              [–]Run__ 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

              TLDR he started a cult based on 'Logic being your core value' and is recruiting easily persuaded individuals to join him in his retirement home coverted into a gaming house and follow his cult ideology.

              [–]mozom -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

              euh lu

              [–]SmoothOpX 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              TL;DR: Stop "Posting" about Athene and his cult. Stop giving it attention.

              [–]JAmes1620 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Who's Athene? I've never heard about this person. I should go look him up!

              [–]theskepticalheretic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Sunlight is the best disinfectant when it comes to meme based nonsense like the "Athene Cult". Discussing it in depth and with actual facts is what removes the nonsense most quickly. Saying knee-jerk reactionary crap or "just don't talk about it" is like getting an infection and wishing it away.

              [–]UltimoSHlTTER 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Destiny is listening to his videos right now. The guy is a megalomaniac who believes he solved the universe

              People say he is a troll, but Destiny is listening to videos Athene published like 5 years ago. Either the guy is a full blow retard or this is the longest con troll of all time

              [–]justchippinyaaaa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Who?

              [–]XequR 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Watched Destiny the other day and he talking with him for about 3 hours and holy shit Athene is insane I never liked him anyways but damn this guy is weird.

              [–]Alianos 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I am really sad about what has become of Athene. He used to be this charismatic guy that trolled constantly, pissing thousands of people off in the process. People where just to stupid to realise that it's all a show and that they where falling for his shit. Then last year or so, there was this Viewbot/GFG-Drama that had everyone hating on him, even though it was proven he actually did the stuff he did for charity. But this shit? I honestly can't figure out how this is supposed to be a troll. It seems like he's actually indoctrinating people for his cause. I mean, what happened to ATHENE, BEST PALADIN IN THE WORLD? What happened to the guy that had an Item in LoL named after him? I used to love him, but this is way2strange4me.

              [–]MidasPL 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              TBH I don't see a difference between his "cult" and LaVey's satanism.

              [–]dankmeme555 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Hey buddy, don't you find it ironic that before your post I barely cared about Athene but now after I read this, i'm more interested in him? Why don't you do what you preach and send it to mods in private messages instead of trying to be the hero of this subreddit?

              [–]DemiTF2[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I do, and I not only addressed that in the main post, and others/I have in multiple comments as well. You're about the 68th person to point this out, you aren't original or funny.

              [–]Joar1g 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Just watch his newest youtube video, all info can be found there.

              [–]thebedshow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Clearly you haven't clicked bro. LOGIC!

              [–]ilovetoeatpoutine 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

              whose athene? theres no video or anything so what the fuck are you talking about?

              [–]PattyFlash4MePls 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6CGUBgwjmA

              [–]youtubefactsbot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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              [–]cl0udaryl 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              From what I've heard, he's portraying psychology 101 in a rather twisted manner. CBT (Cognitive behavioral therapy) is essentially what he's talking about, but one of the massive critiques of CBT is that it represses emotion, that has been proven to cause some serious emotional issues. I find it amusing that he thinks this is something new.

              [–]Pienpunching 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Spoken like a true cuck. Easiest downvote I ever gave

              [–]mintysoul 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

              You literally couldn't give a single reason of what Athene did wrong. This is pretty sad, are we just supposed to take your word for it, instead of Athene who inspired millions of gamers to be more charitable? My guess is, you are a loser who has achieved nothing in his life and is mad that Athene is triggering you with logic. Your post history tells me a lot about you, livestream fails, gaming subreddits, all you do is waste your time on shit. Go back to playing games and stop slandering people who are actually working to improve the world if you don't have anything constructive to say.

              [–]DemiTF2[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Sounds like you've clicked my friend. Good work.

              [–]Neucer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Sounds like another brainwashed Athene sheep. Good work

              [–]Ninami 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I mean, I didn't even know this shit was happening until I read this post... So, kind of counterproductive but alright.

              [–]heteroalien 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              dafuq is going on with some streamers these days

              [–]Ezben 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I disagree if we tell everybody what is it athene cant convert them by saying "oh no its not a cult we just use logic to do stuff"

              [–]JohnStrangerGalt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              While it is true you wouldn't want someone to get hurt by joining a cult. You also need to make sure that you don't demonize them or create an us vs them mentality.

              We want it to be easy and painless for people to leave the cult and find help and support.

              [–]BBQCAKES 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              i clicked

              [–]Aphoristic 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Is he actually telling people to distance themselves from friends and loved ones? I'm not seeing any sign of cult behavior from what he's doing. He seems to just be preaching a religion.

              If anyone needs an explanation of cult behavior, click here.

              [–]Hnuzs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              He is not. Most of the people in this thread just make shit up.

              [–]jhascal23 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              You guys need to stop talking about Athene! So I am going to make a post to talk about him some more!

              [–]Concasser 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXDw73rToPE
              here is the scammy docu he made

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                [–]Lorivas 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Yes, the post is somewhat ironic. But if you want to stop people from giving Athene attention one more post about him adressing the issue is the best solution I could think of.

                [–]dramben555 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                http://psychcentral.com/disorders/manic-episode/ this is what he is doing to his impressionable viewers

                [–]wasd80125 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                A manic episode is not a disorder in and of itself, but rather is diagnosed as a part of a condition called bipolar disorder.

                You can't just give someone bipolar disorder like that lmao. These are just stupid and easily-impressioned teenagers

                [–]RobinSongRobin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                this post gave me bipolar disorder

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                [–]Sorathelight -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Athene ? Whose this guy, hmmm oh that guy nope still hate him always will. Glad people hate em too

                [–]Murderkais3r -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I am enjoying this.

                [–]Thefatpunk -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                But, it's for the kids

                [–]apm2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                can we just hope that it ends up as a suicide cult cuz his ideas dont work?

                [–]Prima_care -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                stop giving him attention.... LETS MAKE A DRAMA POST ABOUT HIM! GOOD JOB GETTING PEOPLE TO GIVE ATHENE ATTENTION

                [–]xKILLKIDx -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Fuck off it's funny. If someone starts following a cult it's on them not us

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